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congratulations, heroes, glory, let's give a few possible, such views on how the map and in general the line of contact is changing, how it runs now both in the east and in the south of our country, what are the main trends, and then we will talk about maybe even verification the head of the president's office, andriy yarmak, later deleted such a loud video, which he previously published on his telegram channel, before that the ministry of defense of the russian federation published and each of the parties had its own position on what was happening on this video. roman, let's start from the east, are the russians really accumulating possible resources for another offensive in the liman-kupyan direction, how does it look?

now the shelling has intensified in the lymano-kupin direction, previously it attacked there with ground forces, i.e. tanks, personnel, these were heavy assaults, now they have stopped doing it en masse, most likely they are just recruiting a new shock fist, choosing a point of attack and will do it again, when it will be unknown, now they are prioritized simply shelling, and in most of it is the civilian population, that is, they reach the regular forces that are shelling, as well as our military, whether there will be an attack there is still unknown, maybe they are concentrating the troops that were there in other directions, transferring them there, and this has already happened more than once noticed, that is, now we are choosing and we are waiting for exactly where they will become active again, whether it will be the kupyansk region, or whether it will be the svativskyi direction, or maybe everything will turn to flint again, ugh. roman, we,

we began to consider, in detail, zooming in with the mouse, the scale, precisely from the direction, on bahmud, in particular, we collect these pieces of information every day, in the directions of klishivka, andriivka, and now also the direction of kurdyumivka, maybe you can tell us a little more, because there are small changes there and on the map during the week, and we have collected a few messages. tell me more that there have been no significant changes in this direction in the past few days, the gray zone is a railway track in the district ticks, the most basic battles are going on there, as i said before, the territory there is now under a plot, is under fire, in particular anyone who tries to gain a foothold there, to storm, immediately receives such a strong response, and rusnia constantly tries to restore.

their positions, the armed forces simply destroy them, and as soon as our armed forces try to gain a foothold there, they are immediately covered by artillery , the enemy takes advantage of this opportunity, pulls up some reserves there, builds some new positions, and behind klishchivka and andriivka are the heights, accordingly this also complicates the work, but if you look at the changes in the battle line, now there are no changes, huh. a little bit, let's go down to the south now, it seems to me that it is really more active, now this direction to tokmak is emerging, yes, and a little bit, somehow the direction to berdyan-speaking has gone from the information field, yes, that is, staromlynovka, a little higher, the cherished desire, what is the situation exactly in this aspect, what the russians used to call a vremiya performance, if i'm not mistaken. well, it is informative on

takmak, in reality the fighters have a new prokopievka and verbove, now there are heavy battles and it has been noticed even in the district novoprokopivka, if... take, rusnia is trying to stop the counteroffensive, cut it off like that, accordingly, she is trying to counteroffensive, there are some such local counterattacks, er, they are trying to somehow repel their positions, and well, in particular, this makes it even more difficult to advance, but the armed forces cannot be stopped, if we take it a little higher, then in the pryutny district they are also trying , unfortunately, to restore their forces, to restore some of their lost positions, the situation there is also becoming a little more active, if we take vremyiv’s performance as a whole, then it is still without

changes, i.e. there are some local skirmishes, and artillery fire, and there are no significant changes yet, but if you look at the trend of russia gathering forces, it is constantly drawing reserves there, we noticed it, and it is trying somehow to seize the initiative on its side, but they don't do it very well, that is, the situation in that area is so difficult now. can you tell us a few words about this detective story with a video from andriy yermak, right? because first we will remind our viewers that this video appeared from the head of the president's office, and then he this deleted the video. initially, it appeared from the ministry of defense of the russian federation, in my opinion, due to time and. it will be faster and then it went to yermak with a post that our glorious 128 , a separate mountain assault brigade, captured russian saboteurs, then this video disappears, then the analysis of the video itself begins, and here

too, in fact, a detective story, night a video with thermal imagers with everything, and there they say oh, there are sunflowers in the frame, what sunflowers, because they are no longer in those fields, that is, the video production, then they begin to analyze, up close, for some reason, they allegedly surrender themselves as prisoners with full horns attached to the machine gun, which in general violates the very procedure of surrender, then they see that they are all without armor, one demonstratively takes off an armor in the frame, but he does not have plate armor, just a fabric part, i.e. a lot of details that are analyzed, later there is information, on the other hand, that it is, no, it is not, ours took the russians, it was the russians taking ours, well, in a word, this is a detective story, this is the background for the audience, and now we will hear from you analysis and commentary, well, very strange and deplorable situation, because such analyzes of authors who

do this, especially those who have some influence, they should do before publication, and we were surprised, and many were probably very surprised by this video. and there are larger shots, in particular, as it was shown at the end, they are already in color, and there it was very easy to notice not just the ukrainian uniform, but also the ukrainian flag, and then over time it was announced that it was the drg, which had changed into a ukrainian uniform, in addition , there are still a lot of questions that you have already asked, and well , to come to some conclusion there, who is it, or it's ours side or not ours, because rosnya is actively using this video in propaganda, and of course there is a strong suspicion that it is a fake from russia, where they filmed that our fighters were allegedly captured, but

first of all, mr. andrii yemakak deals with prisoners and if he had to be a little careful with time. will find out for sure if it was true or not, very strange, again sad video, how it turned out is not really known, and if it is our fighters, then it is a pity and i hope that they will return soon, but again, it looks real, supposedly to shoot a russian fake, which somehow gained its strength from various sides, and it is not known whether there is any truth in it, huh, that is , it is not possible to verify this video now, there are a lot of details and the worst thing is that yes, make versions from both sides and even attach the chevron of the 128th brigade, this already

adds some questions, because attaching the wrong videos, the chevron of an entire brigade is already such a big responsibility, and draw some conclusions. it is very difficult especially when there is a version with prisoners and if it is really our guys, then at least it is cynicism, not knowing the details to do. any conclusions, roman, probably at the end, we have very little time left, we are watching how the russians are gradually putting their relatively new weapons into action, well, for example, recently they literally hit the kupyan region with a rocket, there is one thunder, and whether have you been able to notice lately the defeat of, perhaps , some of the latest russian stories, dances, i don’t know, recently left the factories,

bmpok, what in general do they have with this, well, such a trend, no attention was paid, because a lot of everything is destroyed, of course, there is a modern incident, that is, which they produced, and many, for example, the same missiles, in the majority, if you take the equipment , then it is still old, and if, for example, some equipment is brought out, then very often they... just go through it, take it from the warehouses there, which is looted, dilapidated, already old, they complete it there, put some parts and start it accordingly in battle, it is difficult to follow the technique, even now, if you look in terms of heavy equipment there, there are tanks, bmps, armored personnel carriers, it is unlikely that they started any mass production there, it is a very long time, they use old stocks, but there are some missiles that they produce and it has already been repeatedly noticed that

more new samples, then yes they use it, ugh, thank you roman for the comment and analysis, roman pohorily, co-founder of deep state, and i keep thinking about his words, i can’t understand, but how does it work like that, christ, here in all the military always say to us, stop, we won't comment on it, that's what it's for general staff, we remember the criticism when they said, stop, the ministry of defense or the deputies should not actually comment on the front line, but exclusively on support, and here andriy yermak turns out to be the head of the supply of detachments from the ministry of defense of the russian federation, where it is written, no , well, everyone is shot from time to time by the desire to post something, and sometimes you can unfortunately fall into the story, it seems to me that this video and everyone who is interested in somehow manipulating it should be allowed to cool down, it is short. a pause in our broadcast, after which let's talk about, and, my lord, many interesting things can be discussed, viktor

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portnikov is with you and we are talking about the main events of this week. welcome portnikov and top experts about the brightest events of the last seven days our guest will be lieutenant general of the ground forces, former national security adviser to the president of the united states, donald trump, herbert mcmaster. current topics, pressing questions, authoritative comments and forecasts in the information marathon project with vitaly portnikov, every sunday at 20:10 on espresso. our viewers in odesa 5 minutes ago there was a danger that two rocket launchers with calibers are a threat of a missile strike, now they are sounding, four minutes ago there were explosions, in odesa we have no information whether it was the ppo that worked, we will find out, we will definitely say, but be careful, in the meantime, we will talk with the former deputy head

of the security service of ukraine in 14-15 years , reserve general of the sbu, viktor yagun in connection with our studio. glory to ukraine, good morning, glory to the heroes, good morning, mr. viktor, i wanted to start with the fact that actually from the first number, that is, a day later, 130,000, this is the decree on mobilization signed by putin, the day before one of the former war criminals, from wagner's headquarters, and also ordered the formation of some volunteer units, but already there, i understand under the omoform of the ministry of defense, etc., this is all a resource that will be thrown at ukraine, as our intelligence officers say, or is it just a planned mobilization, and how will it go? well, their planned mobilization did not end, it always happened, according to mass intelligence data, they recruited 20 to 22 thousand people every month, this

is approximately the same number that are destroyed at the front in ukraine, or, well not only those who are killed, but also those who are wounded, there are also cripples, there are some sick people, that is, this is just the usual replenishment of those, those, well filling the holes that remain after military operations, and what concerns the meeting with the former wagnerites, and there are some of their movements. listen, well, whatever russia is, it is a totalitarian state , no one dies voluntarily, without any material benefit, not under what was wagner, wagner, it was unique, the structure that was under the auspices, created originally was under the auspices

military intelligence, and it performed certain functions, such units. in proxies, which , under the guise of independent structures, fought on e, in those parts of the world, where russia did not want to prove itself, uh, the problem, what is their problem now , in the fact that the structure that was very clearly built was not embellished by a businessman, uh, the structure was self-financed, including with the help of the state budget, but there was a clear, clear structure, a clear hierarchy, certain traditions of its own, and everything in the complex gave the results that we saw, including in buckmouth, that even people who had nothing to do with their , such their military imagery, i.e

those prisoners, and they also fit into this structure, this is one, and secondly, the management of these units on... was carried out by their commanders without taking into account any instructions from the kremlin or the ministry of defense, they were their own commanders and such units, they are more effectively fought, creating a centralized structure that will be subordinated to the ministry of defense, whatever it is called, it will simply be the same army as the russian federation, that's all, repetition. will not give anything new. mr. viktor, what? is he currently engaged at all, and is there in the field of vision, a certain serhiy kirienko, a russian ... state official, in my opinion, he had a nickname like this, eh, he was previously appointed curator of reunification there, now i see him periodically in occupation

public places, at least , that he comes there, evaluates the quality of roads repaired in the kherson region, donetsk region, luhansk region, he meets pushilin there , savur-moghila, well, in short, some such informational reasons, you know, very small, and not to say what about them somehow... you can to assess in general his influence and influence on the processes here or in russia, who is kiriyenko now, what is his status, does he even have any levers in his hands, well, in russia , except for putin, and there are partially some representatives of the ozera cooperative , no one has influence, but it is necessary to determine that kiriyenko and shuigu are probably the last of the magikans, there was also chubais, and those who remained

from the times we remember, like yelsinsk, kiriyenko is a deputy the head of the administration, officially the president of the russian federation, and he is really a curator, the curator of this direction, which is called annexed, annexed territories, or how to say it better, except crimea, everything except crimea, they do not consider crimea an annexed territory, and he remains a curator, indeed, he seems to coordinate this or that activity, by the way, he is one of those , who determined who would be senators from one or another region in the russian senate, and her appearance... a gozina in the kherson region, in the zaporizhia region, is just one of those, one of those moments, which seem to indicate what is behind kirienko was standing, ugh, that's it

i don't really think that he has any such influence, that he has, yes, a nominal figure , one more, one more official in the russian nomenclature, i wanted to ask you about other russians, but just yesterday there was information that some new ones had arrived people who also want to enroll in the eye, a special unit, so free russia, the day before we heard from them that they entered the territory of russia as a drg, completed combat tasks without losses, gave nightmares and killed someone there on the spot, and then promised that what prigorzhen did not do, let's do it, let's leave and take the kremlin, and then the information that the new arrivals... are ready to join their ranks, and here it is clear that it is very difficult to live now in a country in which there are very few people per

square meter who believe in good and good russians kilometer, so how are they checked, how are we supposed to know that these are real volunteers who are going to fight against putin's army, and not greasy cossacks, well , look, first of all, there is a check through... some networks, including their activity before the beginning, the invasion, the main, there are certain parameters, there is a guarantee from those people who are already fighting, so that you understand, the network of people who are currently working with our special services of russia is quite widespread, and if we know clearly that the person was performing our tasks. and these tasks brought benefit, so why can't it be used, if he has the desire, to participate in direct battles on the territory of ukraine.

we do not refuse any help , especially if they believe that this will be the future embryo, the future of the new russia, what kind of russia is there and then, that's another matter, but that's it. these are our allies, they perform those tasks that are carried out within the framework of the armed forces of ukraine, under the control of our counterintelligence and under the guidance of our military military intelligence, well, we hear about it, if you read the russian media, you get the feeling that agents are everywhere in the atmosphere to the very edges the sbu, i just want to understand then why they are here all the time, the fsb reports that they took a boy, the boy was there, i don't know, in a t-shirt with shukhevich, our father bandera was singing a loud song, with the sbu manuals, printed in several copies, from

reading like this, you can't understand why even they carry out more counter-attacks, activities, they do it somehow not even at three with a minus, well, as binary, this idiocy can somehow be explained, i explain it as chornobayevka of the fsb, you understand, well, entering one and the same dark river, well, so much so once, well, everyone understands that they have a plan, everyone understands that every month they have to go to the mountain, to each region, to give out some kind of open agency, so they run, you know, when, there is, there is a certain list of people who are under the control of the fsb of this or that or that region, there are refugees from ukraine, er, natives there from, natives of ukraine, and possibly former militants who fought with volunteers on the territory of ukraine, and when

a situation arises when it is necessary to urgently open the case and at the same time point to ukraine, there are many of them thinking nothing, they start looking for a person who either has a ukrainian passport, or once had a ukrainian passport, that's all, or, if he has relatives or contacts with, with ukraine, and a whole conspiracy special operation is built on this, which, which we then see on television and in their press, mr. viktor, we have two minutes left, but i am still interested in this phenomenon , which may be unfolding in russia now, there was a video posted on the network where the son of ramzan kadyrov is humsling a crane that allegedly burned a religious book, humsling russians from other regions, let's say, did not take this information very well,

they started writing comments. it can't be, let's give laws, that's how ksenia sobchak started this confrontation with kadyrov, he allegedly got in touch with her, they are there 40 they talked for a few minutes, but after that, nothing happened again, because the russians tolerated it, let’s be honest, you can do that with them, and kadyrov comes to meet putin, it looks, to be honest, a little comical, because what he said, for example, i didn’t fully understand analyzed, it is clear, this is the result of the whole story, please tell me whether a confrontation between such and such radical manifestations, such as kadyrov and his supporters, and russians of a different type is maturing now in the russian federation, and whether we can this to play, or should we play on this, in your opinion , in short, in fact, we are already playing on this situation, this is one time, secondly, this

situation is nowhere from the information space of russia. you did not fall out, this is what our allies, including the rdc, the radical, this russian volunteer corps, are playing with, they are playing with those russians, i know, original russia, those who are for russia, it helps enough to separate those who for ukraine there against putin, and this story itself played very, very negatively against russia. because right, right at the same moment, russia tried to return to the council, well to the council, of human rights, as it is correctly called there at the un , and against this background, the ukrainian delay there and others who support us showed this video and said, look what is happening there, here are your human rights, thank you , thank you, mr. viktor, viktor yagun, major general of the security service reserve, deputy head

of the security service in 14 years, it is 9 o'clock in the morning, we honor the memory of all those who died in the russian-ukrainian war. let's honor the memory of ukrainian soldiers and peaceful citizens of ukraine with a moment of silence died in the war started by russia.