[000:00:00;00] to the world, how to convey important messages, you see what the mechanisms of conveying in general, since one way or another ukrainians are now perceived in the world through three channels, the first is our refugees, the second is what is in power in the countries that we they help, show, and the third is the maxim of our showbiz, part of which is former collaborators, watans and periaba. who, skillfully dressed in embroidered clothes with a bad english accent, sing war, freedom and so on, that is, such wild distortions of the idea of ​​​​ukrainian in the world, as you see the channels reporting their real messages that you will talk about on the vkarpattia panels? well, you know, first of all, social networks actually

connect us with the whole world, and there is also a great interest in ukrainian creativity, in the creativity of the military, in the creativity of veterans, volunteers, and it is observed, well, i would say , in all social networks, i see it both on my networks and on the networks of colleagues, so it seems to me that we are all ourselves now, in a sense, small media, and our messages, they can, well, definitely get out there books, collections are published, a large number of artistic and literary actions are held, we are invited, sometimes abroad, sometimes direct broadcasts are organized from here, that is, i cannot say that the information field, it is somehow limited now, on the contrary, but it seems to me that all messages , which are being broadcast now through people, because of some such emotional component, that is why social networks, art events, well, for example, the forum of military writers, organized by mrs. tetyana

polypets, has been running for 5 years and was last year, this year, more precisely, in the summer of the 23rd year, it will be, i hope next year, and there was a great interest of journalists in this event, including foreign journalists, this is how we report, and you go beyond this , actually, into the community, i i mean that what a person abroad quite often cannot know, as far as we can tell, the bearer of the ukrainian passport is the bearer of the ukrainian idea, culture, and they perceive us all equally, and in this case, do you go beyond the boundaries of your own community on so that you were heard, you know, definitely yes, well, first of all, you know, word of mouth, it always works, so people actually learn about any creativity there conditionally through their acquaintances, through certain communities there abroad, and we usually work

not with individuals there, but with certain communities, communities united in one way or another , well, for example, my personal experience there is the days of ukrainian culture in poland, the days of ukrainian culture in müngen, and when we arrive, ukrainians accumulate around only refugees, yes or no repatriates from in ukraine, yes, including germans, there are poles, other people of other nationalities, they come with translators, they ask questions, they are interested, that is, live meetings, online meetings. with communities, it seems to me that they not only have an effect at the moment when the event is taking place, but later these people talk about us, well, i had an interesting meeting there, for example, with nivkinya in a tram, so we traveled as part of such literary event and some things we simply explained to her in the tram, and she would go on to tell it to her friends, and in this way, in fact , opinion will be formed only through people, huh, but have you already

remembered? poland is simply interesting, because i have friends, they are polish citizens of ukrainian origin, who tell me that it is strange, but , for example, where there are large ukrainian communities, refugees, and the poles put a shoulder to the shoulder, it is somehow so strange there, mainly people who are mastering state finances for various projects of the house, freedom, and all the other cheerful propagandists of the russian world before the war, before the invasion, suddenly changed their colors and are trying to master... communication eyes eyes mechanisms and pretend that it is they who present ukraine, they encountered such, for example in warsaw, you know, no, i worked in warsaw with the ukrainian, the ukrainian house in warsaw, and there came an audience of really people who were interested in learning about our events, about a look, an inside look at the war, yes, i was in poznań , i was in gdansk, you know, i don't have such personal experience, on the contrary, i can say that the same

poles, they... also come and also they, well, in principle understand the ukrainian language in some way part, they also ask questions and show such a certain activity, but again , these were author meetings within the framework of some literary... events, that is, these are events where not only i and my colleagues came, as people who, well, who live here and can tell about the situation from the inside, that is why i did not see, well, some kind of competition in this sense, of course, i wanted to ask you too, like the poetess, here big stormy discussions are going on in the rear, after various events, when, for example, andriy kurkov is there at some event on a joint panel, as the most... a translated and well-known writer sits down with good russians , then discussions begin, then there are statements that every danylo yanevsky has his own bahmud, and his own butch, and we too, here is just

some kind of revolution in a bubble , writing and poetry, and what is your position in these discussions that rage in the writing environment, you know, it seems to me, like in any other sphere, right? this is personal responsibility, that is, a person makes a decision at the moment when he implements something, in relation to good russians, yes olga kharlam showed us the best, in my opinion, way out of the situation when you are faced with conditionally good russians, yes, which do not exist, so it seems to me that we have someone to take an example from in this sense, and then it is personal responsibility, well, in my opinion, there is no personal, personal front, there is a front somewhere where people pay with their lives. for the fact that we can now conduct this dialogue, yes, and then, writers, how they differ and how they differ from people of other professions, only because they have a greater responsibility, because they have a certain audience that guides, not that it even guides, but that reads

the information, that can observe your life in a certain way, if you publish it somewhere, especially if you have a certain level of information, that's why it personal responsibility, as in other professions, as in politics, as in other forms of art, goes, in general, this is human responsibility, a person makes his decision and then broadcasts it, and what he does, well, he must answer for himself, ma'am katerina, thank you for the conversation, we wish you a good day presentation, we know that in yakarpattia , namely on october 14, you will present a collection of poetry, you wake up in the morning, it was very nice to talk to you, we will see each other during the forum itself, as well as telecanana. and radio fm halychyna are official information sponsors, we will listen and watch carefully. all discussions will be available to be viewed live on tv channel uso, which is the general tv partner of the forum. don't miss out, it

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business and not only business, the public, copper workers, society , i would say, let's talk about how this whole relationship functions in general due to the fact that the large-scale invasion has made some of its adjustments, and we can no longer hope for such crazy transparency, openness, which we have all been working on for years, but which we had to veil a little bit, i will say this, in connection with february 2020. friend of the year, we are glad to welcome serhiy milman, founder of iseu company yucontrol. sergey, congratulations and glory to ukraine. i congratulate you. so, what is there with, with business - with business, which was so happy that it gives access to all kinds of registers, and there is a huge number of digitized services that allow us to finally work in a civilized way, there is a war here, and everything has changed. and how much changed and to what extent, you. consider

this a lot of steps back for business? unequivocally, i agree that this essence was such a retreat, and the deterioration of the situation in terms of openness, both for business and for society in general, here, in fact, it is difficult to say who got worse, because everyone got worse, accountability and control of the authorities, this is such a thing, in which absolutely everyone is interested, including business, but yes... also, of course, citizens of ukraine, but just explain then, we just understood that open data, and what is the concept of open data, if they concern the defense industry. if they relate to some parameters that can be used by the enemy, then it is clear why it is necessary to close everything and restrict access, but they also closed things that absolutely will not help the enemy, but it would help us if they remained open , well, let's take as an example the registry of corruptions, which was closed since

the beginning of the invasion, by the way, they closed almost all the open data that were open before that, but speaking of the corruptors, recently, there was hope that it will still be, and his was opened, but it actually existed in the form in which it should have been, for a rather short time, amendments were made to the law on the prevention of corruption, article 59, and in fact this winner was nullified, because these changes, they were not enforced. . the president, this week just passed the deadline that allowed the president to bequeath it, as it happened, for example, with the poorly, in my opinion, voted on the declarations law, and as a result, the first or second vote, again, that you you say,

the first time i voted unsuccessfully, yes, the first time, i did i mean, without editing, that the declarations should be opened immediately, and the president announced this under some pressure from the public, a signed petition was signed, of course, and it was reacted to, and as for the register of corruption, given that our team tried to draw attention to this problem, however, it was not intended, and if i am not mistaken, the 27th was the deadline, at the moment, in fact , no further changes will be made to this register, which concern, for example, non-declaration of dep. that is on the one hand, it is likely that after 60 days, there will be declarations, albeit with certain restrictions, but people who will commit certain violations, do not declare something, they will not be entered in the register of corruption, in addition

, they may be removed there up to 10,000, persons who have already been entered, it still exists today in the form it is, but as soon as... the law comes into force, certain persons will not be entered there, in my opinion, this is very critical, although, uh, some people think that, well, we have a court register, and it is possible you can find this information there, but i'll just remind you that for all the years of the existence of this register, documents were constantly received there, and uh, it's, well, it's already millions of documents that hides... in the register, we fixed it repeatedly, once even made a study dedicated to this, accordingly, if there is a desire to hide certain violations in this registry, i do not see that this will be a problem for anyone, please tell me, but in general products, based on open data, they, they are not only there about our

internal affairs, someone there to notice in for some reason not very clean and so on, is this also about the prospect of fighting the enemy? in fact, as far as it helps, and maybe you can give some concrete examples , well, since the beginning of the invasion, we began to mark in the utrol system companies that have a russian footprint and found more than 2,000 ukrainian companies that had direct or indirect connections with the russian federation or the republic of belarus , and from what seems to be a six-month study of ours, far from all companies. changed owners and 5% of this list remained, they left connections with the rfb and it was the opening of the register, at least half of the register, the single state register of legal entities, individual entrepreneurs,

that made it possible to at least identify these companies, of course, this is not a 100% diagnosis... they are traitors, but none the less , this is information for law enforcement agencies, so that they can carry out a more thorough check in the future, but as for what has not been opened at all, that is, if we talk about the udr, which i just said, it is half-open, it is not in in the form of open data, it is unfortunately, only in the form of the so-called api protocol, this is when services can interact with a state service and receive information, for example, i, you, we cannot... go to the website as before and view information about the company, only if you and i use services, well, nakshtalrol or others, although, as for me, this is a certain limitation, because, well, for example, and if we do not use private services, if we just want to check the information that we saw there, this possibility we don't have one, because you and

i are not computers and cannot communicate, we we cannot conclude this contract there, so that everyone, any citizen could check it, but as for what was not opened at all, it is, for example, the register of foreign representative offices, branches of foreign companies, although , for example, the availability of such information could also be available to us. to help find an additional russian trace, because there may be leaders who are connected to the rfb. serhiy, from my own experience, when i had to make some materials, i would have to learn, you will not invent something on your fingers, well , luzhnikovsky, bobakovsky, well, i just i remember, this was searched for, who and where, how it got into our market, yes, because we remember in oblenergo, we later searched for something absolutely similar in oblgaz and so on, and it was everywhere. now how is it, for example, to establish whether they were taken from them, they were taken out, they were not taken out, something has changed, are these two mafia-like

russian kremlin structures, for example, they have tentacles in our system, they are critically important for the time being, yes, i don’t understand , as it is now, for example, to verify and check, and you managed to do it, well, in general, in the control system, we mark companies that have such a connection. and in fact, we provide free access to this system to journalists, i know that including your editorial office uses it for investigations, well, the situation has changed there in general, here is your analysis, here is a year and a half of wars, they fled, they were brought back, they are certainly happening certain changes, in order to hide the russian trace, change citizenship, for example , from armenian to georgian, to turkish owners, so that it does not appear in the registers. that the owner, for example, a citizen of russia, is also simply changed

owners to other people, we cannot be sure, for example, that now this company is not under the control of one or another person, but at least we highlight in the system that historical trace that remains from the past, and i understand that, taking into account all these steps, which can potentially be resorted to by all these people, owners, and sleep. companies, we continue to open companies with a russian belarusian footprint in ukraine, yes, yes, of course, although the pace of opening has significantly decreased, and there are significantly fewer such companies, but of course, this remains the case, uh, still yes, well, you do the same, in particular , the yutrol team is also engaged in the analysis of these sanctions lists of at least seven countries, ukraine. the united states, the european union, the united kingdom, the country, canada, australia, and japan, and tell us a little more about

what you came up with in your analysis? ah, we analyzed which companies under , which companies were sanctioned by other countries that you just mentioned, and it's about a thousand companies, if i'm not mistaken, there are 900 or so, ah, that's how it was done , and at a certain point, we saw that the sanctions introduced by ukraine were significantly behind the pace of introduction for these companies , it is difficult for me to explain what this is related to, but nevertheless, we published a similar study at one time, maybe it also did this is a certain push for our authorities to speed up this process, but explain the mechanism here, we, we are watching carefully, there was a meeting of the nsdc. then danilov comes out and says: these are the sanctions we introduced, yes, we read these sanctions against individuals, and not can we understand that they were forbidden

to come here to lviv or something, for example, what is the point of these sanctions? i'm not saying that sometimes western sanctions are also incomprehensible, when individuals are introduced into some companies, because after that you don't understand the mechanism of how they should act, well , a person won't go to gilinzhik, but what's next, you can somehow to analyze how, for example, according to your own data, the collective mind in the nsdc works, how they calculate these sanctions, how they are introduced and to what extent they generally have meaning other than words sanction, some procedures, well, as for how the collective mind works, it is true, because it is unlikely that i will be able to comment, because i am not part of this structure, but as for the consequences, it is a tool of political influence, of course, it affects the activities of entrepreneurs or companies, this applies not only to ukrainian companies against which sanctions are imposed in ukraine, but also to foreign companies, to a certain extent it blocks activity

and, for example, if sanctions are imposed in ukraine against someone, or someone in these sanctions. lists then, there is no possibility even that to appeal, the consequences, it is not that it is related to movement, it is rather significant restrictions and problems related to the conduct of business of these persons, but there is not one person, but there is another obligatory cypriot, turk and armenian , yes, i have sanctions, but i have three partners, and they will conduct economic business activities under sanctions, not quite so, again, if we talk about the yutrol team, then we mark in the system, also related with sub-sanctioned persons, and legal and natural persons, and when these companies apply to the bank, and they definitely apply quite regularly to financial institutions, they face, well, let's say,

certain difficulties that are associated with additional verification. which may last longer, i am sure that they feel a certain pressure, from our financial system , including the law enforcement system, they are undergoing certain, additional checks, whether they have a connection, whether they continue to interact with the russian federation and the republic of belarus, so , let's say this, i am sure that this has a significant impact on doing business in ukraine, yes, that is also interesting. that is not the case in ukraine it's just that companies that are connected to the republic of belarus or russia still exist, still continue to be registered, moreover, some of these companies, well, at least you label them that way, even win tenders and even receive state funds, and this is very interesting, in my opinion, also one of your studies, i just want to promote

the site you control, it is very cool. analytics, in fact, i myself use for broadcasts quite often, to be honest, thank you for this work and your whole team, one more such question will be related to iran, i never thought about it, but it turns out that in ukraine, campaigns related to this country feel quite calm now, yes, yes, but returning to your previous comment about companies that win tenders, i noted a little here that yes, this was the situation in the first six months after the invasion, to date, this problem definitely does not exist to that extent, indeed, in the first six months, when the data was hidden by prozoro and we could not analyze it, after it was made public, after analyzing it, we found that it was quite essence

the amounts were as tendered by related companies. including legislative and so what we write off to some general chaos in the first half of the year, so definitely to panic chaos, but i would not write it off only to chaos and panic, because they were really very interested in this, i am sure that the special services of the russian federation in so that we have closed data, because without data we can't ... we can't follow the russian trail, we can't check certain individuals, we can't see who is corrupt in our country, but we understand that, for example, information about corrupt people, especially if they continue to be appointed to certain positions, is extremely interesting for the same fsbeshniks, because these individuals, and we are very easy to manipulate and use, are

potential threads, dear voters, what did he say, so you will know , who, look carefully, covered everything in favor of the enemy , serhii milman, the founder of the company, thank you, we will talk about iran next time, i would like to meet with you more often on the air, because the topics are very urgent, in fact, thank you, now on our air, they are already catching up his colleagues, roman and i will return in the afternoon. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health, today in the program. revenge for the destroyed power industry, an electric substation caught fire in the russian city of kursk due to a drone strike. the occupiers must leave the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, which means the resolution