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serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will speak: people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future now, the main and interesting things in the program verdict by serhiy rudenko, from monday to friday at 20:00, repeat at 12:10 p.m. good health, our broadcast continues, as i promised, we will fly now. we are flying, in fact, we will already sit down, somewhere in the area of ​​the american city of new york, where is oleksandr motyl, historian, political scientist, professor of the edgard university of the united states, good health , mr. oleksandr, thank you for finding time for us, you are an invitation, so look, we didn't understand, today is the end of september , well, september is already eternal, as you know, just like a person, like some kind of

material substance, but immaterial is coming to an end, at the end of september, as usual , shutdowns begin. how serious is this matter, because i will say for ukrainian viewers that the financial year is in the united states from october 1st, it's not just a new year, but it's a new fiscal year and tomorrow, if the budget problems are not agreed tonight, there will be maybe... a shutdown, that is, the cessation of functioning, non-functioning, cessation of cash flows to maintain of the american bureaucracy, this is such a complicated story, how profitable is it today for today, when there are six hours left before a possible shutdown there, six, according to kyiv time, i think, in america it is much more, that is, you have a head start compared to kyiv

to accept everything anyway, how likely it is and how strong are the positions of the opposition, that is, the republicans, please, mr. oleksandr, according to what economists, analysts, and others say, i.e., experts on such issues, the probability is very high, i have the impression that 90% yes, such should happen, and in that case... as you said, after such a shutdown , the funding flows to various parts of the american bureaucracy are stopped, this will affect , of course, those workers, different people at different times, as if not ordinary americans, such there have been two, if not three times in the past for years, i remember five years ago, when was the last such shutdown, and by the way, i was even then in washington.

the hotels were cheap, show up $50 a night, because there was no one in town, in any case, this kind of event is very unpopular with the people, and the only hope here is that a certain part of the republican party, especially these radicals, who just support satan and demand this devil, that sooner or later they will understand that it is not to their advantage, especially for them, for the elections, people will not forget this and do not forget, but saying that it's a fact it's a fact it's probably a very high shutdown, i'm for the audience to know what a shutdown really is, i was just watching it yesterday in preparation, american legislation, very funny, it, it doesn't apply to the president, it doesn't apply to senators, it doesn't apply...for this

shutdown of congressmen and congresswomen, that is, everyone will be hurt except the leadership of the united states, who continue to get paid. it is some policeman or some feberivets most likely not a policeman, because there probably after all it is the mayor's office that is in charge, some feberovyts or some curator of the museum, he may not stop receiving a salary, but the senator, the president, the congressman , the salaries were received and will be received, so so so interesting, interesting, but the question is different, mr. alexander, but mr. mccarthy, that . the speaker of the house of representatives, there is some ukrainian trace there, it seems that the ukrainian media are writing that they want to donate aid to ukraine so that the budget will be accepted, any such rumors,

whether they are rumors, whether it is gossip, whether it is true, no one can understand, this one, i was laughing could not understand, this is a mockery, the us house of representatives allocated 300 million in ukraine , 300 million, during the war is zero, this, this is nothing, 300 billion, okay, this is a great number, and 300 million is one day of war, well two, no more, because what is the situation , how can we, can we combine the united states' aid to ukraine and the acceptance or rejection of the united states' budget, it seems to me that rather not, well, of course, theoretically it exists. this possibility, because it is simply impossible to predict, because who knows how the republicans will be, how the democrats will be to react to one or another current event, but despite all that, the fact is that you, well, almost all democrats support ukraine, and the typical

majority of republicans support ukraine, and those radicals who are relatively , well, antagonistic towards ukraine, then what are they ... 70, 80, maybe 90, after all, it is smaller among the republican party itself , of course, it is a vocal minority, it is an initiative minority, it is loud, it took the initiative, and the republicans will have to deal with them somehow, but i do not i predict someone special cuts in the future, well at least not now, another thing is what will happen if... trump wins the election next november, but that's another matter. yes, and it’s all the same about trump, i just have the next question, here are all the lawsuits, here, the court found trump guilty

of fraud, overstating his assets, this can lead to something, apart from moral damage to mr. trump, what he as a result... . all these investigations will turn out not to be a billionaire, but maybe only a multiminer, and maybe not a multi, because well, not now, if he lied there and there, having overestimated his wealth, maybe even after we find out that he overestimated, it will turn out that he overestimated even then, that is, maybe he is not such a rich person and lives in debt and so on , but the question is not that, the question is whether it will affect the situation, people. now sees that he lied, lied, that he is not so rich, that he is a fraud, but they say that his so-called nuclear electorate is standing and may even grow even larger, absolutely, so there is some kind of paradox here,

you see, because from one he never sides hid his, so to speak, obscene behavior in relation to women, he never came. that he was engaged in financial fraud to one degree or another, he never came, that he had close ties with putin and with various russian banks, oligarchs, and in principle, any of those cases would have had him, would have to end his career, and on the contrary, it is nuclear, it is this core that supports and loves him, they continue to love and support him, absolutely nothing has changed there, just the opposite, among the republicans he has become even more a bigger favorite a few weeks ago, when we last spoke, it seems that 52% supported him, now it is around 60%, so you see, this all convinces the liberals, they already consider him a thug and an immoral

person, and those republicans who support, well, this is just proof that he is persecuted by the courts, democrats and others. so it won't have any effect, no, not on his chances, maybe on his estate, it could have some effect, but not so much either, because he is a judge. talked about what he would have to pay a fine in the amount of 290 million dollars, well, it is quite a lot for me and for you, i think it is not so scary for him, the last question may be, not about trump, but simply about how we monitor, we monitor today and behind turkey, because it is involved in the transcaucasia and so on and so on, and here turkey says that we will... agree to sweden joining nato if the usa sells f-16 to that turkey, something

is being said about it, now it on the agenda in the american press? no, so i read some one article, but that's all, but it's not, it is not on the front pages of various newspapers, but probably because it is quite such norm-typical behavior. of the turks, they always demand the flowers proclo, so this is me personally, it doesn’t really surprise me if the americans will agree, well, that’s another question, of course they will also demand flowers pro quo, and maybe they will demand from the turks a replacement for the f-16, so that turkey has adopted less, less friendly relations with russia, well, that would be good, maybe even a quoit pro quo, but will there be such a thing here... it is difficult to say, because the turks, even more than trump, they

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an expert on far eastern politics, we are interested in talking, thank you for finding us. time for us , mr. arthur, thank you, mutually, look, i understand correctly that putin will be in october, in beijing, forum, one belt, one way, one belt, one, one road , there will be some overlap, which, my question is, how tempting is this project now, mr. xijinping, one belt, one road, because if we take 10 years ago, five. years ago, it was simply shouted from every iron, not only in china, everywhere, in uzbekistan, from pakistan, the middle east, that, that, belarus, the russian federation, everyone was talking about it, then information appeared in some places that it's okay that the investments are not as

desired, and the dependence on china is very large and african. the country of asia and somehow it began to decrease this this history, this wave, one belt, one road, what is this this idea today, for the audience, i will explain not for mr. arthur that if svidzinpin was one of the ideas with which he came to the leadership of the communist party china, therefore, all of china, is to create such, i would even say a draft, wind from east to west in various versions, as in the world world factory china, which will supply europe with a huge number of goods, services, transport lines will appear and so on and through asia, and through the quiet, not through the quiet, through the indian ocean and so on , and so on, and they began to actually bribe the neighboring countries, which are on this strip, so that they

would agree to have some transshipment points and railways. and various hubs and so on, i spoke something to arthur. ugh, well, actually the situation is really as you say, over the years not everything is going so well for sydzenpin, in europe this program has been de facto destroyed, primarily due to the russian war in ukraine, but it is worth understanding what this program is about, it is about how to conquer countries with weak democracies, to bribe their governments, and we have already seen that when food and travel funds are poured into the state , this state begins to stagnate, and the economy goes to the bottom, and it, it falls into debt, and in fact we have seen such cases in montenegro and in sri lanka, now the situation is catastrophic because of chinese money , and money is a one-way project, well, in general, around the world, but now, actually, xi jinping is trying

to rally his like-minded people, to rally non-democracy, by continuing this program. and those countries that hesitate to turn into autocratic, and now for the tenth anniversary of this program and for the third forum, because they held it twice before, then postponed it due to the pandemic, he is calling his friends, the main guest, of course, is to be putin, vucic is also expected there, and serbsky, the president of argentina , well, they claim that there will be 110 countries, let's see how many there will be in reality, but the story is not very good, because it is primarily about how to resuscitate russia... the international arena, give it more platforms to negotiate with non-democratic states, or in general those who are hesitating or supporting china, and it is precisely this emphasis that the belt and road has already become, has become part of, one family with the project of the eurasian economic union, where ukraine, let me remind you, yanukovych tried to encroach 10 years ago, and because now

according to with the doctrine and documents of both china and russia, these projects are identical in a certain way, they jointly interact with them, this is the picture around this project at the moment. the ukrainian question, i was surprised by the foresight and cunning of the ukrainian establishment. you correct me if i'm not ruled for me, i understand that if the caucasus was under this attack, well, central asia is obvious, azerbaijan is obvious, iran is obvious, belarus is obvious, that is, ukraine if. it is surrounded by countries that are very prone to one belt one road, how did it happen, why did the ukrainians fight back, it is because the russians simply told them to the chinese, do not go to ukraine, they are idiots, they are still with us, not with us, they will not join , or is it the ukrainians themselves, they said, listen, we, we are worried, we are far-sighted, we understand that today it is

big smiles and big money, and tomorrow debt obligations and there are no more smiles, but there is a predator, a predator, a predatory face, a real communist, a real communist party of china, yes, these are primarily ukrainians, but not exactly in the way you are talking about, the thing is that p. .. he was the main guarantor of yanukovych's success in overcoming the maidan, if you remember, at the beginning of the maidan , the revolution of dignity, yanukovych seconded the young leader xi jinping at the time, he promised billions for turning to china, that is, these kremlin initiatives were paid for and chinese when the successful maidan took place, ukraine won, it was a strategic defeat for the chinese, they intended to invest huge amounts of money in ukraine, they failed, and they thought they were idiots. that is, it can be said that this very process saved us from the expansion of pois and the way at that time, actually in the 14th and in the following years.

then, of course, there was a wave of attempts to find a way out, it seems, in the 17th and 18th years, and by the 21st year, the chinese promised us mountains of gold, promised to build a transit state in ukraine , but actually it closed this transit and never it will no longer exist, because it is impossible to promote the belt and road in ukraine due to its direct ties with russia, because the belt and road project does not exist today without the russians. okay, one more question, uh, well, no, i would ask the next question, here i have another one, but in my mind this question arises, how strategic is it, when we say, and you say so, with a little with such concern that here is russia, putin, that, that, they can... pour themselves into an orgasm in some kind and they are close and close to the eurasian space and so on, but such

super deep people, i'm not saying you're not super deep, but i'm different, they say, well, it doesn't work strategically, it can't work at a distance there 5, 10, 15 years, they have such different views on the future of the world in russia and in china, that it is not... it is not commensurate and does not coincide, tell me something, sir, well, this is such a vish fulsin, you know, that is, we give the desired reality, and you understand what the problem is with the analysis of china, so that our people, for example, learned what china was like during the times of prohodushinpine there or remember the bodies there and in general, just not realizing that in 2023, the communist party, led by tsedzenpidon in his third term, is actually no longer the china that someone from

they have approximately the same views, and at the same time russia, it already recognizes that it is essentially in vassalage to china, and they recognize their minority, lower value in a certain way, they understand that they have not included any geopolitical project except the war in ukraine, in which they invest, and it is paid for by china, and china actually replaced the russian doctrine and now, if you look at putin's declarations that were signed in moscow on march 23rd, when vidinpin was there, then the russian doctrine almost completely coincides now with xi's doctrine, with his vision, and russia completely serves china's interests in other regions, that's why there is no longer such a big geopolitical russia, there is russia, which is waging war in ukraine, everything else is already chinese, and it's bad, that's why that this is the arctic and there is china... forces and this is a war with nato in the arctic, this is actually the outlets around the pacific ocean, and the possibility of russia participating on the side of china in the war against taiwan, and this can

actually be continued, but this situation is not good, and they are not just functioning well, but they are strategically merging, i i see these trends, and if something does not change in china, it is unlikely that there will be a change in the conjuncture that will seriously affect the situation, so then the question of mr. arthur arises, and today's economic, financial and economic state of china, to put it mildly, is not brilliant, they are constantly somewhere on the verge of default, at least separate sectors of the economy, but those sectors of the economy that adhere to the domino principle, yes, if mortgages collapse now, then tomorrow the banks will automatically collapse, well, because this is absolutely... a combination of vessels, you will not get anywhere, and if the banks collapse, then the rest of the economy will collapse because there's nowhere

to take money and so on and so forth, how well xi jinping is doing right now, i would, i would say that maybe you're right, or maybe i'd argue with you, what dojimpin, you say, it's already a different, different china, because it's a different leader, but i have the impression that chinese collectivism still exists and the chinese communist party, if it sees that it is not moving in that direction, then it is obvious, as far as i remember the chinese communist party, that they can get together and overthrow xi jinping, because the authority of the party, they it is necessary to save the system, not a specific xi ​​jinping. and here there is already a contradiction, please, mr. arthur. uhu, well, you are right, this is the old communist party, now, according to the investigation, it actually conducts and publishes what happened in baidey, this secret meetings every summer, xi jinping actually liquidated all the elders of the party, they are intimidated, there are mass purges , that is, degradation is in full swing and

this has not happened since the time of mao zedong, it's just worse now, the economy is also worse, that is, we have a recession and a record level of unemployment , and you are right about the rigon of real estate, everything is not good in china, and what is uryadpin doing , instead of easing the economic situation and or working with other democratic states, on the contrary, they are worsening the legislation and killing their own economy, that is, we now have an aggressive ideology that prevails over prosperity, which actually contributes to that thought, the understanding that china may soon attack taiwan, because, as joe biden said about the chinese economy, when the chinese, when the bad guys have problems, they are doing bad things, well, this is very simplified, but this is all what biden wanted to say about china, they are bad and they will do bad things, well, this will end very quickly china, well news, of course i would like more positive, but currently there are already, wait, literally for

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