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beloved presenters, presenters who have become like family to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio, events of the day in two hours, vasyl zima's big broadcast, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening at espresso. i welcome you, dear tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel, the program studio zahid. we will analyze the most important events of this week, quite a lot of them have accumulated. our guests today are roman bezsmertny and david handelman. our first guest is roman bezsmertny, a ukrainian politician and diplomat. glory to ukraine, mr. roman, i congratulate you. to the heroes
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glory, good day, sir, the big tour of president zelenskyi and his team to the north american continent has ended, without a doubt , an extremely important visit, well, but everyone was so fascinated by external manifestations, and here i would ask you to analyze, yes, we have crossed a certain line , and there is a lot of diverse evidence about this, on the one hand, very clear signals from the united states, in particular, regarding the possibility of providing ukraine with cassette attack cams, this is of course: not exactly what we would like, but it is still a colossal breakthrough. on the other hand, we also received very clear advice from washington, both regarding internal ukrainian reforms, and this is also a very serious story. so, mr. roman, you have the floor. the turning point actually came when the word real came out, the word abrams came out. the fact is that, well, in the course of events.
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and direct participation in them, we forget about classical things, but if we take weapons, all the weapons that are available on planet earth today, then i do not know, fortunately or unfortunately, but only the tank testifies to the fact that we are preparing for serious actions, and offensive actions, everything else is things of a defensive and tactical nature. i've never considered myself a military expert , so i won't delve deeper into this topic , but if you look at the classic stuff, the turning point actually came when it was clearly said that you were going to get abrams. now, regarding the visit to the united states of america and everything that happened there, including the head, ah, academician
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kissinger, i will say this, the fact is that - kissinger in the spring of this year, did a somersault that i never expected from him, where when he said that actually ukraine should be given weapons because russia is the aggressor, because it is about ukraine defending not only itself, defending democracy, from the point of view of philosophy, life philosophy... kissinger, this was an unacceptable thing. over the past year, i had to go through kissinger's path and learn his own method of working with presidents and especially with the chinese, with soviet leaders and even with ukrainians, because if you remember, kissinger's path through nixon led all the way to kyiv, then in the distant 70s. until now, everyone is tormented by the question why vinson, why nixon.
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actually flew to kyiv, what he wanted to see here, in fact, there was an absolutely clear task and setting, because actually the figure of kissinger, who or the head of kissinger, who appeared in these events, put many at a standstill, but let's get closer to the situation, this overlapping of things that happened, forgive me for interrupting, just a lot of people might ask, what is kissinger's power, so to speak, because he has no little... 100 years old, he still has no portfolio and no responsible button to push, but still, he represents an extremely powerful geopolitical lobby. he doesn't just represent a lobby, he represents a line, a political line, a foreign policy line that is maintained in the united states of america, and its wind is now blowing at the back of the current president, at the back of the democrats, because actually the concept...' this
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kissinger ideologue, it and sits at the base, which is represented today, it is even a shame, but well, it is donald trump, it is based on simple things, guys , stop fighting, let's make money, on china and on the soviet union, only here is one year, which, why kisencher broke his position in the spring, the point is , that china is growing on money, on the investments of the united states of america, and russia is not the soviet union, because it became clear that it has an army that is second to none in ukraine, the first thing i would ask everyone who... this visit , lower the temperature a little. why such emotions? because several things have overlapped, which have an american, foreign, and even global domestic political character, because the complete confusion of the un
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and the security council was added to everything. what happened there, well, these are funeral melodies, so if you combine all this and hand it over. ukrainians, then this is complete hopelessness. and now let's look at the realities, how it actually happens. the basis of the position of the united states of america is not only bipartisan support. this position is based on the entire defense-industrial complex of the united states states of america and the position of the military. therefore , forgive me, but i do not share the fear of many ukrainian politicians and political scientists. analysts who talk about the fact that everything, everything will fall apart, nothing will happen and so on, and russia will win here, and everything, and so on, no, it will not be like that, now, what about this letter, which for some reason is being shown
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as a tool and tied to the aid of ukraine, well , mr. antin, there is no, that's for sure, the binding of these pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pay attention to how i say, i'm not saying a document, i... distinguish that this is a document, and what are pieces of paper, to the aid of the united states, the european union and the national governments of ukraine, there is no such thing and it could not be, in this regard , what scares me more is that a lot of people in ukraine sat on the fifth point, when these things have overlapped, so let's put aside, and the nightmare of the un and the security council, it's not here, let's put aside these six pieces of paper. because what is written there, well, it seems to me that you and i have known this for 30 years, we understand what is written there, because it is the alpha and the omega, what should have been done a long time ago, why it was not done, is not the topic of our discussions now , i understood how difficult the issues
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will be, we will analyze them, but, no, this is not what we are talking about, from here i can absolutely clearly record that assistance to ukraine will be provided as it is defined, in the ramstein meetings, the ramstein meetings are mainly formed from the applications of the ukrainian side, and these applications are submitted depending on how tactical operations are planned on the front line in the rear and so on, and to this i want to add the phrase , which he said ben hodges: the war between ukraine and russia is not only a situation on the front line, there are times, mr. antin, when... in this war, sometimes the information field is so oppressive that it overwhelms everything that is happening on the front line, and
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one more thing: the fact that events on the front line are not always evaluated objectively, sometimes it is necessary for the cause, sometimes it is due to inexperience, and sometimes it is the result of the fact that the information and psychological operations used by the enemy affect us. ben hodges, by the way, very clearly assessed the situation now on the battlefield, he said, well, only a moron, well, i'm paraphrasing, will criticize what the servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine are doing, overcoming minefields and fortifications. very well, do american generals actually understand what our military is up against? great, and the americans, the british, the french, the germans, who are very well trained in these things , they perfectly understand what is happening and what is the prospect of the development of these events on the front line, but unfortunately, it so happened that in the course of events, this i'm a wealth of information, he brought sadness to many, well and such figures as the figure of kissinger, as you understand, they are able to dramatize any
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situation, now the phrase and the essence of your question is, so what were the results of the visit, actually of the president himself, what did he succeed in, and what and where did any take place. it is necessary to understand that the object of his work was actually the organizations of the united nations, the security council and what is called security and what is called in the fields. if we take away from here our own communication with the leadership of the united states of america in the senate with kevin mccartney in the house of representatives in the pentagon, well, it is clear that a number of meetings took place there, which are not mentioned, actually with the leadership of the central intelligence agency, with the minister of finance, and so on, because it was necessary to simply look at the raising of... balances that took place during this time, and, i think
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, which surprised many that there will be attacks, then they won't happen, then they won't happen again, but not like this, we have to give credit to the americans, if you and i look at the f-16, abrams, hymers, then there was no such case , to say so and left, it has either already arrived and they started talking about it, or it will appear soon, in this respect they are well done, they give our enemies the opportunity to fornicate about these things as they like, and they confuse this information so much, including the kremlin, that they do not know how to react, you and i once used the formula: the supply of all types of weapons is a matter of time, which actually depends on the situation, on the situation on the front line, on the level of training of the troops, specialists, and on logistics, because well you understand perfectly why supply when there is none
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who will use it, and if it is used, there is no way to maintain it, so all this must be done , it is clear, mr. antin, that all this has a price, this price is the death of people, the death of a soldier at the front, that's what which definitely pressures the need to accelerate and increase this power, but we must understand that parallel to this , events are taking place that for some reason we do not take as a positive development of events on the russian-ukrainian front. the first of them is the situation, the current situation in karabakh, someone thinks that it is just a showdown between yaravan and baku, no, tseretse and iran plus, yes. well, obviously these are things. which are beyond the framework of relations between yerevan and baku. let's face it, but this is very
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important. next: central asia, few people noticed, but in parallel with the events in new york, high-profile events took place, including consultations with all five central asian leaders. they are now going to europe, where exactly the same conversation will be held with them, and soon the führer of moscow will go to kyrgyzstan. that is, this is another evidence that oxygen will overlap in such a way that including foreign policy and diplomatic steps will break russia's potential, hence your thesis, regarding the fact that they got used to it, prepared, its essence is that for six months they talked about the fact that they have a worthless defense, but you well, you saw it perfectly, and you... know that this defense was built according to the chinese model. based on consultations
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between the ministry of defense and the headquarters, the people 's army of china, the people's liberation army of china, as it was called, the visits of lishanfu, who is no longer there somewhere, er, other leaders districts, this defense system was being built, which means that it was filled not only with scientific, tactical, including weapons, this became known only two months ago, for the first time, when it was revealed that the chinese were directly related to the preparation this, three-step line of defense, and thus we begin to clearly understand that the meetings that took place on the eve of the general assembly between sullivan and vaani on this issue, the absence of all on the twenty big, is including the consequence of the fact that the united states
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absolutely clearly said that beijing supplies russia with weapons, do you remember how he, how long they could not open his mouth on this issue, and here it was absolutely clearly stated that beijing has a stigma in the cannon, so before all the events on the front line, in which the right-wing ben hodges is added, as well as a number of diplomats' of international political steps that were taken, including with the participation of the ukrainian side. mr. roman, forgive me for interrupting, but our understanding is that the united states... is entering its election campaign, we we understand that the military campaign of the russian-ukrainian war is now entering the winter period, we understand that the americans have already transported part of the abrams for a reason and they talked about cluster attacks for a reason, that is , the question here is how different scenarios will be superimposed, in particular on the picture of a long war,
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yes on the other hand, we can see how the russians are unfurling their defenses, gradually progressing. but they have established the production of drones, so we understand that they will try to extinguish our civilian energy infrastructure, here, here it is triangle, look at what russian drones are without chips, in fact, what they call high-precision weapons, and these are drones, and all missile systems, they need what we commonly call chips, this is the fourth generation, chips of the fourth generation, you are only in taiwan, that is, the answer lies on the surface, the task is very simple - to block the supply to russia, let them pull out of the irons from the washing machines, from the rolling machines, and punch out from the washing machines, exactly what has been talked about for so long, so you can say , that the situation, which
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has developed at the moment, it requires an absolutely calm, objective assessment , understanding that the situation that is developing in the united states with creeping in, entering the electoral process, it will affect the situation of bilateral relations, but in this case i would focus on first, the thesis about bicameral support, and second - the position of the military-industrial complex of the united states of america and the leadership of the military, military-political leadership. of the united states of america, everyone was surprised, but we were fascinated by mark's interaction milli and the ukrainian defense ministers there, treznikov, zarazumerov, everyone forgot that mark milli is one of the people from donald trump's team, and so i just want
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the situation, it is not exemplary, but it was evaluated by objectively that is, if we summarize in general, and remove disinformation from this process, remove what is not related to bilateral relations, it is developing with progress and serious progress, including the appointment of the controller, including the appointment of the person responsible for gathering investments and reconstruction, the restoration of ukraine and so on, all this speaks of structuring, of clarity, the weakest point is what you and i talked about a long time ago, long before the current events, this is the lack of a goal around which the entire coalition united , if you ask today in washington, in london, in berlin, in paris, what is the goal, you will either not
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get an answer, or you will get something like that, well, in the best case, it should be determined by ukraine, and this is what allows us to waver and tear us apart through information and psychological operations carried out by our enemy. mr. roman, in the end, we have literally two minutes left, he wanted to clarify the pace and generally the temporal boundaries of the so-called military campaign. first, remember, a year ago, i said that such a course of events speaks of a delay. i understood very well what was happening then, i understood very well that when there is no air defense, you will not run very well. in fact, i am convinced that there will be no weapons that will not be used in this war, there will be no option until
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there will not be a general coalition, but a joint command will be created, a joint coalition force will be created, as you can see, the road to that, it is leading, but it will take time, i understand, it's great that those who are listening to us will believe that yes, we are dreamers, but the fact is that in this case we are not talking about a duel between moscow and kyiv, we are talking about a duel between democracy and totalitarianism, if... before all this, we listened carefully to what happened at this funeral general meeting of the un assembly, then there is the president of iran, ibrahim racey said, clearly: today we represent , that is, he together with his allies, an alternative to democracy and
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liberalism, which means that there is an axis being formed that will do everything to destroy democracy, to destroy modern civilization, in order to to overcome it, we need an appropriate combination of forces, troops, and industrial complexes. thank you, mr. roman, well, if the enemy will unite, if the forces of evil will unite, then the key story is the integration of the forces of good, and we understand that the process is ongoing. thank you very much for this extremely interesting and useful conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, roman bezsmertnyi, was currently working on espresso. dear, we waited for you in the garden, but something hurts in the back, comfrey ointment, and you will
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the program verdict by serhii rudenko, from monday to friday at 8:00 p.m., repeat at 12:00 p.m.: 10. our next guest. david genelman, israeli military expert. greetings, dear mr. genelman, well, let's enter winter campaign, although the fall has not ended, we understand how fierce the fighting is now, in particular in the south and east of our country, on the other hand, we understand that the russians are now starting to use their so-called strategic reserves, in particular the 18th and 25th armies, they not fully formed, understaffed, and the use of the strategic reserve in general... means that both with the personnel and with the so-called plugging of holes on the russian front, not everything is going well, but this does not mean that the situation is
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any easier . first of all. it's not winter yet the beginning of autumn will unravel, in principle the summer company can still continue, but in principle, as we see, even if the slow gnawing will continue for some time, then what is called the clock is ticking, that is, there are chances that there will be some major breakthroughs , major successes decrease, after this, perhaps, after some operational pause, perhaps even without it , if the ukrainian... began to be transferred, this is in principle, since a few months on the southern front, in general, goes mainly to the mutual reserve, which has there will still be enough reserve with on the russian advance, we really see, at least according to the available information, the schedule, in the sense that this
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means that the russians apparently lack those, let's see if the ukrainian command of the reserve itself is enough, the ukrainian side we see information that that now another 10 new brigades are being formed, there is also , of course, the question of the schedule, who should be prepared in october, november, december, how they are going to be used, or for continuation. offensive, or in connection with the beginning of autumn, it will unravel, all the same the ukrainian team will decide to take a break and reconsider the next phase of the war, but we will see when the summer finally ends , not according to the calendar, but already according to the climate, when the situation will really change and the autumn growth will come, dear david, the next phase of the war, about which you mentioned, so we understand that the so-called
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long war has begun, right? the russians were not ready for it, the world was not ready for it. in principle, we heard rather optimistic forecasts from some of our military experts, but the reality is the way it is, very harsh, very bloody, and there is a feeling that putin is really trying to play the long game. on the other hand, a series of events occurred that neither the kremlin nor the russian general staff expected, nor exactly the black sea occupy. headquarters, which was defeated. the offensive itself, the strategic summer company of the ukrainian army, had as its goal not just an exit to the shores of the sea of azov from the intersection of the land corridor, the strategic goal of this exit was precisely to break the trend of transformation this war into a long war of attrition in the style of iran-iraq, because in the case of cutting off this land corridor, it
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changed the strategic situation at the front, it is precisely this, in principle, that the southern direction differs from all others, because the entire front has the shape of a horseshoe, the only the place where it is possible to break this horseshoe into two parts, let's say so, is the south, but if this does not work, the war continues as it has been going on until now, that is , it really turns into an iranian one, a war of attrition in itself is never profitable to anyone, but in this case it is clear that it is much more disadvantageous. in ukraine, than in russia, because millions of refugees are being bombarded by missile and air strikes throughout the country, attacks on infrastructure, industry, etc., and generally unclear prospects for the state, how to continue building the state in such conditions, the russians, on the one hand, of course, in advance did not plan such a long war, but after that, kiev
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did not succeed in 3 days, and even after retreating from kharkiv region, from kherson region, in principle, if you take a couple of steps back and look, the situation of russia at the front is not so bad, there is no collapse of the front, there is no collapse of the russian army, russian statehood, enemies of moscow's wrath, in principle, to fight it is possible, that is why all these plans for the long game are from there, all these already announced plans for the armed forces until the twenty-sixth year, and we see the expansion of the military industry and the already announced figures for the increase in military spending, indeed russia enters this long war of attrition in a better position than ukraine, because even the same shelling, for example, concerns only a few border areas, of course, no one flies deep into russia, and the whole question is really how much longer can this continue, especially considering that
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