to have their own education seekers, but this still requires time and resources. mr. oleksandr, when you talk about a resource , we are talking about a state resource, are there other options, to look for opportunities, funds to expand the number of high-quality bomb shelters in order to be able to safely survive these enemy attacks. i think that when, for example, there is a very complex discussion in the country about codefo, ugh, then, at the level of support, military formations, drones, there, medical things, others, everything that is needed for victory, the question the construction of bomb shelters, shelters, where our citizens can save their lives in more or less relatively peaceful territories, is also clearly important, therefore, it is possible that one of the directions of application of these funds may be shelters.

but if you take my personal point of view frankly, then the state funds, the funds of our international partners, and the funds of local self-government bodies should be directed here, in a word, if we are talking about human life, it seems to me that everyone should work as much as possible as much as possible volumes, let's say so, because there is still a lot of work to be done, most of those institutions that we tentatively consider today as shelters or storage rooms, these are the simplest basement rooms, which also need to be worked on very seriously. i've seen some of your very clear comments about the fact that the personal income tax is going to be taken away from the military, and you 're adamant that actually that money should stay in the communities because it really provides just, well, them effective use, in which directions can we now use these funds in order

to strengthen the protection of the communities themselves against various external risks, what are the mechanisms for using these funds from the personal income tax from the military? well, look at the bill 9559 was introduced in the parliament about the possibility of spending funds for communities to purchase things intended for the military and then transfer them to them, because to be honest, today there is no legislative basis, and law enforcement and inspection bodies always have questions about communities that purchased, for example, drones and handed them over, that's why this project was introduced, but then i understand that due to the fact that there was another initiative, this pdf should be removed altogether, this draft law has not been adopted to date, our the proposal and the position is as follows: we accept 959, we give the opportunity to legally buy these things, and the resolution 590 , which regulates the kaznachev service,

for example, we ban those things that are not inherent today in wartime, uh, maybe it is also the construction of stadiums there , there are skate parks or something else, there are roads, what are there built, which is non-alternating, yes, funds may be available, but, funds may be available, but, but these funds must necessarily go through local self-government bodies, because we are very often approached by the military, very often by residents of our communities and they are asking... for help, the lack of funds in the budget today is, first of all, the inability of communities to help their mobilized boys, and this is despair, er, and from our boys to local self-government bodies, this, i believe, is a negative consequence, another issue , we must too predict the impossibility of using funds in other directions, and for this i consider the cabinet of ministers to have enough resolution 590, and this is another issue that specifically does not concern...

the budget and pdfo, but its distribution, it is more related to, let's say, the collection of this tax , then this is a matter of not all communities having this tax, and therefore it may be worth it that this tax be distributed to all territories from where the guys are mobilized, that is, it actually goes after every military man, i don’t know if the tax department has such an opportunity to do it now , but this is one of the solution options, when all communities would distribute this tax on the territory would have the opportunity to help their boys, but this is the subject of a very serious discussion and we have time until january 1 to discuss it, and i think that these funds should serve, defense capability, support of our military units, but should remain in the communities. mr. oleksandr, thank you very much for these explanations, i hope that they will really hear us and these funds will really remain in the communities, i hope that your all-ukrainian association will provide such optimal fit. in order for communities

to develop and have various projects related to protection. thank you for the inclusion, i would like to remind our viewers that oleksandr korinnyi, the head of the all-ukrainian association of united territorial communities of ukraine, was the philanthropist of the class, and when we talk about the number of bomb shelters, in fact , the indicators are not for the entire number in terms of statistical data population, we have a sufficient number of protected structures, there are also restrictions on bomb shelters and in schools, according to certain statistics, if we now we will see them, then we are talking about the fact that with protective structures, we can actually provide protection for approximately 46% of the population, and when we talk about the educational process, about

schools, about kindergartens and so on, then we are talking about slightly higher indicators , but it is also not quite enough, in fact we are talking about the fact that the protective structures of civil protection in educational institutions allow to provide shelter for about 57% of the participants in the educational process , and that is why our previous guest was just talking about the need to create such protective facilities that should be sufficient to meet modern needs, starting with wi-fi and ending with fresh air and water and other things that allow you to stay there for a certain time, and then join us: viktor vitovetskyi joins us, this is the director of the department for organizing civil protection measures of the civil service of ukraine on emergency situations of ukraine. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good afternoon, in view of your position, as i understand, you have a direction

related to somehow ensuring the integration of certain voluntary processes regarding capacity building of communities with those bodies, the state emergency service. who carry out firefighting tasks in different directions and i would like to start with a small sketch, what is the current situation with the ability of the state emergency service, well , to fight fires quickly, because i saw information that there are directions where fire engines of the state emergency service are forced to spend an hour there to get there to certain villages, where there may be such, well, dangerous events related to fires. well, i will say that the state emergency service provides response throughout the territory of ukraine, of course, but there are cases when it is really a deadline the response time, which exceeds the standard, is much more than 20 minutes, as a rule, this is characteristic of rural areas, therefore one of

the priorities of the ministry of emergency situations, and in particular of the state emergency service, is the development and assistance in the creation of local and voluntary fire protection units. who are, in principle, our first assistants, and where our unit, the unit of the state emergency service is far from the scene, as a rule, our volunteer colleagues arrive first and can start some initial priority work before the arrival of the main forces, the forces of the state emergency service, and when we talk about these volunteer units, what exactly are we talking about, when we talk from the point of view of technical equipment, number, powers, what kind of structure is it in general, how is it integrated, well, into the life of our communities, on certain examples?

i can say that it is integrated legislatively, and recently, thanks to the joint efforts of the state security service of ukraine, the ministry of internal affairs, as well as the parliamentary corps of the verkhovna rada, it was possible to make changes to a number of laws, and by the way, this work continues, but those changes made it possible to organize in more detail the role , functions, powers volunteers, volunteers are included in the emergency response system of the state emergency service, by including them in the engagement plans, so-called forces and means, this allows the dispatcher of the state emergency service to involve our colleagues to perform certain tasks related to fire extinguishing, liquidation of the consequences of other emergency situations. now we can talk about the presence of more than a thousand units of local and voluntary fire protection, and almost all of them are included in the plans for attracting forces and resources and are involved in extinguishing, including fires, and there is also another

important segment - this is the enlightened work with the population on the territory of the communities where they were created. in particular, i will tell one figure, it will tell a lot, for example: in the 22nd year, from the beginning of the invasion, the armed aggressor, the specified units were involved more than 11,000 times for departures and liquidation of the consequences of emergency situations, that is, we can imagine that assistance to the state and emergency services, in particular, which our fellow volunteers provide. and here are these voluntary structures, what they are provided for, how many people there are usually in this or that community, what to say about the fact that such a volunteer unit has really been created, which can really effectively perform the task, when there is a real fire, what kind of... what is the picture of such a volunteer unit? the typical picture is as follows: on

average, somewhere around 10 volunteers, we would recommend in order to talk about a combat-ready, effective unit. at the same time, there are different situations, absolutely, some communities have a unit in which there are 47, for example, volunteers, some where there are 3-4. but if these three or four volunteers are very active, let's say so, and are focused on the result, and they live by it, then such units are also quite effective , that is why there are certain recommendations, but the situations in the state are different, it affects directly, or rather, it depends directly on which community, how cohesive society is in this community, but i want to say that where such divisions are created, one can observe how much

society unites around these divisions, around the tasks they perform, and this greatly contributes to such unity, precisely in the context and precisely on the territory of individual communities, and by the way, what is primary, the creation of such divisions, or when there is an active community that solves current problems there well, then... there are also such volunteer fire departments, if the community is more sluggish there, then surely consolidation, formation of such fire departments, it's probably quite difficult, are there any examples of the most cool volunteer fire brigades that have everything, including the most modern machines, good training, and really cope with the challenges that our enemy sometimes brings us, well without...' conditionally right, everything depends on the people in the community, because people, well, this is the main thing, it is the basis

on which the unit is built in principle. now i will deviate a little from the topic, now the state, by making changes again in the legislation, provides certain opportunities for communities to create subdivisions, i am talking about the fact that now the state emergency service, in particular, has the right to transfer equipment that we do not use. now from the state to the ownership of communities and this continues , now much more than 100 pieces of equipment have already been transferred, they have all been transferred to communities for the needs of voluntary and local units. and at the moment, at the level of the cabinet of ministers, several hundred more sets of documents for such equipment, which were released as a result of the technical re-equipment of our units, are being considered, both at the expense of state purchases and at the expense of unconditional humanitarian aid, which was very powerfully provided by our

international colleagues , partners and inter, governmental and non-governmental international organizations, therefore, of course, there are different units, i honestly would not like to single out anyone so separately, well, if you insist, then i would name , for example, the volunteer fire department in the village of dertsen, this is the transcarpathian region, there are about 45 people registered as volunteers and several units of various equipment for appropriate response to emergency situations and events, very similar the community is powerful, that's why many other regions follow this principle, cherkasy, rivne, kirovohrad, well, almost, almost all regions have, give an example of a positive experience. in this regard, and you mentioned foreign aid, i would like you to pro

it was told in more detail, and about foreign experience , whether there are such volunteer fire brigades in other countries, how they are financed, how they exist, whether there is something that we should take as a basis, whether there are any things that are for our country are unique? well, of course, it was precisely the study of foreign experience and , it served the reason that this, the development of this direction became such a priority in our country, in particular, the number of volunteers, for example, in the republic of poland, there are about more than 6,000 people, that is, it a very large community volunteers, in germany there are even more, there are more than 102,000 people, i can say that the response in these two, at least in european countries, is in principle carried out at the expense of voluntary fire protection, and the state units, corresponding, they

function in a very limited format and exclusively as auxiliary forces, on the contrary. in our country, for the time being, the basis is definitely the units of the state emergency service, but we are developing a community of volunteers, so that we can jointly and consolidatedly provide a response in the state, and definitely our international partners provide a great deal of assistance directly to volunteers, several projects are being implemented, in particular , it is possible to note among the partners that provide such powerful and systematic assistance, this is the usaid hoverla project, this is the international solidarity fund of the republic of poland, this is the un development program in ukraine, and e- er, that means the eastern europe fund, er, other, other donors who provide assistance, i apologize if i did not mention someone, but i named the main ones, this is a systematic work that has been going on

for years, it consists both in the training of our volunteers and in ensuring their uh, so, combat clothing, equipment and fire equipment, there are such elements , in fact, right now it is already underway, in the republic of poland , for example, the training of the fourth group of 15 volunteers, three such groups have already learned from different regions of ukraine, and this work continues , and i hope that our international partners see progress, at least we see it, it is manifested in the growth of the number of such units, even in conditions of armed aggression. i want to give another example, kherson oblast, a territory that was de-occupied, that is, you know, completely yes, the region was captured, uh, everything was either looted, or smashed, bombed.

to date, more than 10 units of local and voluntary fire protection have been created. this means that people understand the importance of timely response to emergency situations, mr. viktor, thank you very much for being included in our broadcast, i hope that after the event in kyiv, we will receive additional information, additional impetus for such voluntary associations to be created in ukraine, i will remind our viewers that it was viktor vytovetskyi, director of the department of organization of civil protection activities of the state emergency service, and then we will...' about our manufacturers who can provide the needs of our communities in modern equipment for various purposes, but this block will be after the information break, where we will demonstrate advertising directions that our citizens also need it. there are

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will talk about this in the next block of our program, and ihor nezhivenko is joining us, this is the commercial director of tovpozhmashina. mr. igor, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear, thank you for inviting me, but i would like to start with whether we have an understanding. in general, what is the need of our state emergency service and our communities in fire engines, how many are needed, what do they actually have and where should we move in this direction? so, the first thing i want to say is that i think the employees of the state emergency service, the state emergency service systems, know the need best, of course, we conduct constant monitoring, monitor the situation, because we are manufacturers of fire-rescue equipment. different models, different modifications, different purposes, the need really exists, the need increased significantly with the beginning of the war between russia and ukraine, because

the losses are quite significant, these are about a thousand units of fire-fighting equipment, these are destroyed or damaged fire stations, these are unfortunately losses among rescuers, that is, it is quite large problem, the workload of the service has increased to a large extent and has increased many times, this is, firstly, secondly, their challenges , the field of activity in the direction of not only e-e, extinguishing fires, liquidation, the consequences of bombings, has expanded significantly, it was added demining is an extremely , complex, difficult and dangerous job, that is, the challenges in the service have increased significantly, the needs have increased accordingly, these are needs both in equipment and in special equipment and various techniques, starting from city firefighting vehicles, ending with

machines for demining, liquidation of the consequences of fires, explosions, and so on, in fact, we estimate the need for today, it is more than 3,000 cars, this is counting the fact that, er, a large part of the park, a large part of the park, fire and rescue equipment, it ... it's outdated, well, let's not, they say, well , let's be honest, that financing, services, in our opinion , it was carried out according to the final principle, that is , there was practically no updating of the fleet, no deliveries, purchases, or rather, no systems firefighters, no fire ladders, not other equipment, or if they were carried out, they were minimal minimal purchases, for now, well, time has shown that it is necessary to be...' before these payments, mr. igor, you said about 3,000 machines, this is the estimated need of the state emergency service itself , but we also add the need of the communities, because before

you i spoke with the representative. which says that this movement, in communities, regarding the creation of such voluntary associations, which themselves are capable of fighting fires, with extreme situations, it also needs some technical support, that is, it means that in fact the market of fire trucks should be added in this segment as well, er , without a doubt, in the communities, we think that the situation in general, unfortunately, is deplorable, because those fire stations, those volunteer firemen... her wives that existed , which were, well, let's say this, in soviet times, er, for some time they were stored there at the village councils, at the farms, they are practically destroyed, that is, there is practically no equipment in the communities, especially in rural areas, this is a big problem , and accordingly now communities

somehow, somehow, everyone is trying to fill the gaps, but without a real program, without real support from the state or aid, well, it's quite difficult to do, community equipment purchases can be afforded by those who own, well, quite serious ones finances, that is, first of all, communities are large, these are large cities, large settlements, where the budget allows it, and as for small regional centers, especially villages and rural areas, the situation there is generally very deplorable. i will say that, sorry, for according to our data, at the moment, the exit, as we say, or the rescuers say, the shoulder of the exit in some parts, from the location of the devouring equipment to the place of the outcry is even more than 30-40 km, and this is the time of arrival to the call, the place of the call

, accordingly, by the time they arrive... there, i think, it is clear what the consequences of the fire are, your company is such a leading manufacturer of fire equipment, and regarding the statistics of purchases by our state bodies and purchases by communities, whether there are some such data that allow to talk about the fact that, in fact, community purchases are so minimal that it is necessary to develop some appropriate programs that would stimulate the purchase of fire engines specifically for the community, in comparison... with the purchases currently carried out by the state emergency service , which are carried out by communities , then it is hundreds of times less, that is, these are units of equipment, these are really units of equipment, for this year, i will say that these communities were able to purchase, no more, throughout ukraine, i emphasize, throughout ukraine, no more than 10 units techniques, and with

regarding these machines that are purchased by communities, should we talk about some unified model that would be optimal from the point of view of quality, speed of production and functional needs for performing tasks, i.e. come to some typical type order that will simplify many processes from the price point of view to the time of production, without a doubt, this is a very correct direction and we absolutely support it, why, because there are three factors that influence here, firstly for the communities, this is the financial component, that is , communities, well, the majority, the vast majority communities, significant financial resources cannot be allocated for procurement, er, secondly, it means that unification, let's say so, or bringing to some common requirements, would greatly simplify the manufacturing process, the procurement process of basic chassis, necessary materials and significantly shorten the terms manufacturing, that is, without

a doubt, we consider this to be the right direction. that is, to have some kind of unified car that would allow us to perform its functions, technical characteristics, parameters we understand because we constantly communicate with representatives of the communities, we constantly communicate with the rescuers, we understand what they need, and we are ready to manufacture, provide , supply it, but unfortunately, as i said, most communities simply cannot do it from a financial point of view. state support in this direction is necessary at least, leasing programs, there, compensations, to communities , if they work in the direction of security development, er, lending, with minimal interest, that is, there is work to be done, mr. igor, and what is the current load on yours the company, or the number of orders that come from the state emergency service, other structures, well , meets your needs, or you can really make a lot more fire trucks.