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the battles are now, in particular in the south and east of our country, on the other hand, we understand that the russians are now starting to use their so-called strategic reserves, in particular, we are talking about the 18th and 25th armies, they are under-formed, under-staffed and the use of the strategic reserve in general means that both with the personnel and with what is called plugging the holes on the russian front, not everything is going well, but this does not mean that the situation is easier than this, firstly, as you said it is not yet winter, before the beginning of autumn, in principle, the summer company can still continue, but in principle, as we can see, even if it is slow... it will continue for some time, what is called the clock is ticking, that is, there are chances to the fact that there will be some major breakthroughs, major successes are reduced, after this, perhaps , after some operational pause,

perhaps even without it, if the ukrainian command decides to slow down, let’s move on to the question of real reserves, the same thing that 18-2 armies began to be reshuffled, that is, in principle, since a few months with the russian advance, we really see, at least according to the available information, the schedule of the formation of these unsustainable armies began to be transferred faster, a positive factor in the sense that this means that the russians apparently do not have enough of them, let's see if it is enough for ourselves? to the ukrainian command of the reserve, from the ukrainian side we see information that 10 new brigades are being formed now, there is also the question of schedules, who should be prepared in october, november,

december, how they intend to use it either for the continuation of the continuous offensive, or in connection with the beginning of the autumn riots, after all , the ukrainian team will decide to take a break and rethink the next phase of the war, but we will see this when finally... the summer will not end not according to the calendar, but already according to the climate, when the situation will really change, the autumn flow will come. dear david, the next phase of the war that you mentioned, we understand that the so-called long war has begun. yes, the russians are not into it were ready, the world was not ready for her. in principle, we have heard quite optimistic forecasts from one or another of our military experts, but this is the reality. it is very tough, very bloody, and there is a feeling that putin is really trying to play the long game, on the other hand, a series of events occurred that neither the kremlin, nor the russian general staff, nor even

the black sea occupation headquarters expected , which was defeated, the offensive, strategic, summer company of the ukrainian army had its own the goal was not just an exit to the coast of the sea of ​​azov with the cutting of a land corridor, the strategic goal of this exit was precisely to break the trend of turning this war into a long war of attrition in the style of iran. because in the event of the cutting of this land corridor , it would change the entire strategic situation on the front . yug, but if not it turns out, the war continues as it has been going on until now, that is, it really turns into an iranorak war, in itself , a war on... is never beneficial to anyone, but in this case it is clear that it is much more

disadvantageous to ukraine than to russia, because millions of refugees, missile and aviation strikes continue throughout the country, strikes on infrastructure, industry, etc., and generally unclear prospects for the state, how to proceed, state construction in such conditions, the russians on the one hand, of course, we did not plan such a long war in advance, but after kiev failed in 3 days, and even after the retreat from the kharkiv region, from the kherson region, in principle, if you take a couple of steps back and look at the position of russia at the front it is not so bad, there is no collapse of the front, there is no collapse of the russian army, russian statehood, enemies of moscow, in principle it is possible to fight, so from there all these plans and long games, all these

already announced plans until the twenty-sixth year on the increase of the armed forces, and we see the expansion of the military industry and the already announced figures of the increase in military spending, indeed, russia is entering this long war of attrition in a better position than ukraine, because even the same shelling, for example, affects only a few border areas , of course, no one is flying deep into russia, and the whole question is really, how much longer can this continue? especially given that in terms of military equipment, ukraine is almost completely dependent on its western allies, so in simple words, it depends on how they see the goal of this war , it is far from the amount that ukraine would like for itself, for some decisive victories, it is not enough, so everything is precisely based not so much on the possibility as such, how many are the intentions, in this case the intentions of western leaders, first of all, the united states. and here again there are additional political points, we are entering the pre-election period in the united

states, in principle any war is first of all a political matter, then a military one, but this specific war is even more so, precisely because ukraine is almost completely dependent on the western allies, they do not fight themselves , so they are guided not so much by military as by political reasons, so let's really see in which direction the faithful will go about what they are they see what is called the end -game of this... war, which way is it pushing, is it, for example, theoretically putting pressure on the ukrainian leadership so that it goes to something, or in the other direction they can theoretically say that it is permissible , even if this summer offensive did not bring the results we wanted, but in principle the war is not lost yet, we will continue to supply weapons, for example, for the next summer offensive, we will allocate so many other things, but this should all be to decide, it is the turn of the western leadership, this is not so much a military

as a political issue, we do not yet know how the same abrams m1 tanks will be used, yes, but as if the process has started, yes, i want to believe that their number will grow there, i don't know, from a dozen units to a few hundred, but this, as you rightly pointed out, will depend largely on the plans of the united states, on the other hand, there are chances of getting cassette etecms, so here ... it is that america can overcome this psychological threshold, yes, because etems is extremely serious, although we understand various modifications and so on, well, but what concerns the south, cassette attacks would be very, very good, in principle, you can say, i stretch legs, the same stormshaw, scalps were also not put, but their own

they are useful, if you add to them also this kms, an additional, additional plus, perhaps for ukraine in that it is not necessary to use airplanes for them, they are launched from land-based aimars, perhaps it will be easier for ukraine, in any case, not for nothing, ukraine has long been asking for an ots, in principle, not for nothing, the united states have not yet given, apparently, both sides agree that this will bring a positive effect, and perhaps so positive that the united states... it is about escalation therefore the ego is not they give, that is, the very lack of giving shows that great importance is attached to this weapon, but on the other hand, it is still necessary to emphasize once again that... some kind of miracle will not solve the war by itself, but it is another plus, an additional plus , let's say, the impact on the southern front, that there is too far from the front, the russians still have the same ships , so they can't pull them, because sooner or later they won't stand in the sea, that's why they have limitations to deliver tkms to all this depth they can, so let's really

see if they go to the front in in the near future, because contradictory information comes every day, they have already promised , no, they have not promised, in fact, they have not already been given... they want to be told, but in any case , it has not been applied as such, apparently at the front, so we will see , if they still arrive and begin to be applied, then we will already be able to really see, no longer theoretically, but practically, dear mr. handelman, and whatever in your opinion the breakthrough of the enemy front line might look like under the current circumstances, the battles are complicated by the fact that the whole territory, the whole the perimeter is mined, and we understand that the russians, well, their key, main task is to stop the offensive impulse so that it is possible to proceed to some actions of their own, perhaps a counter-offensive plan, but in any case, we understand that russian logistics are collapsing, gradually , but it is collapsing, and if , for example, what is called the railway part of tokmak is destroyed

, the russians may have additional big problems, after the first requests in june, when the ukrainian command saw that there was no quick breakthrough, then became dilemma, either to curtail the offensive completely, or to switch to the tactic of slow penetration, they decided that it is better to be slow than nothing, so now it is also difficult to expect that the russians will suddenly run out of strength, and this will allow some kind of quick breakthrough and access to the operational space , while slow penetration continues, also, in principle , a couple of hundred meters, according to the same principle, it is better slowly, as for... transition to a counteroffensive for the russians right now is far from a fact, if they have more or less enough for defense, for an offensive they need much more,

first of all military equipment, it is not a fact that they are already ready in this regard now, especially if these 18 -25 armies have already been successfully de-formed. rush to the front even at the stage of defense, it is not a fact that even if the ukrainian offensive stops in the near future, and it is not a fact that the russians, purely physically, will be able to move there in the near future with some massive offensive, in the second sections, as in the same kupensky and lymansk directions, we saw the offensive demands of the russians, there in general they have a rather large grouping , the sum of the putin-emblimantskogo direction is more than 100,000 and 800-900 tanks approximately and so on, we did not see any - there are big successes of the russian offensive, that is, just in terms of the prospects of the russian offensive, their chances are not particularly great, but the problem for ukraine is that it is now counting on the success of its own

offensive, so we will see when it наконец онлайнытся, чем чем оно оноланыйтся, what will be the achievements, even without the russians immediately going on the offensive, if, for example, there are no significant results, that is , the end of our offensive momentum does not mean that the russians have the strength and equipment , well, i don't know, it's about personnel and additional mechanized connections, thanks to which they could, for example, open a new additional section of the front. in general, we can see that the lemano-kupian axis, which they wanted to form, basically rested on it, but maybe they would start trying to roll out additional sections of the front? vopros where exactly, now, in principle, the russians are now conducting a strategic defense operation in the south, they are also defending in the direction of bakhmot, they are conducting offensive actions in the kupensky area, they are conducting so far without much success, so if they go somewhere to conduct offensive actions, it will be on one in one of the active sections of the front, expect that they

will open some new direction, for example, through the dnieper or through belarus, this is extremely unlikely, because, in principle, it is not particularly beneficial from all sides in terms of... logistics, first of all, so if they enter somewhere, then the simplest thing will be to increase the offensive demands where they are already being conducted, that is, in the north-east , the kurpan iliman direction, and let's see, first of all, how this phase of the war ends, after all, we still don't know how the ukrainian command wants to use these 10 brigades that are now being prepared, perhaps they want to abandon, let's say, a permanent offensive, if ukrainian team to decide if they do not stop their offensive in the winter, then the russians will still not be able to do their offensive, if ukraine continues their offensive, then the russians will automatically be forced to defend themselves there and perhaps, trivially, there will simply not be enough strength for some other area, for their own

offensive, everything rests on the results , on the desire of the ukrainian command , depending on these results, to continue or not to continue the offensive operation after the autumn breakup, perhaps even during it, well, it is clear that this it will be even slower than now, if they come to work, if we talk about the use of... what mechanized units, in particular, well, we are talking about leopards and american abrams, we understand that there is a front line, it is mined, on the other hand, we understand that guns and our fighters are working extremely successfully. the most important thing, i don’t know whether it’s interesting or not , just this war once again shows that it is not so much the quality that is important, but the quantity . in some quality, how much they specifically shoot

there, and what are the millimeters of armor penetration, etc., the main thing is the quantity, even if it is a little worse than the tank, but even if there were more of them, this war will swallow up more and not the same amount, in principle, even the same leopards we already have you saw, they are also like any other tank, they also fight back, they also say that there are no miracles of tanks, and challengers everything else will be the same, it all depends on the quantity, not on the quality. it is reasonable and now that 31 abrams is really finally coming, then it is clear that, if desired, the united states , unlike europe, which does not really have that many weapons left, the united states could, if desired, take out of its pocket not 30, but 300 framers, and ukraine would have found for them tankers, mechanics, etc., but the united states does not want them, they hold it precisely because of this, in principle, the problem is even , in principle, there are two combined problems,

one of them, which is understandable, that in those conditions of the southern front, as it is, it is difficult to use large mechanized forces, but the very fact that there are not many tanks makes them save more, if there were more, then perhaps the ukrainian command once again thought about the possibility of some major breakthrough , but there it is clear that there are several aspects acting simultaneously on all these aspects... there, in the aggregate, it was decided to act mainly in small infantry groups, and armored vehicles mainly support them, but here and there we see the message that wherever possible, let even small units still use armored vehicles , let's see if it will actually be possible to break through these lines of defense, to get more or less into the operational space, if it is possible at all in the conditions of such slow progress, let's see, but in in any case , in general and in general, regarding technology, it is necessary to emphasize once again that in this... dear david, at one time you said an undoubtedly prophetic

phrase, yes: the russians did not prepare for and did not expect such a war. certainly no one expected, in particular it is also about the situation in the sky. yes, we understand that the russians prevail, but despite this, our counteroffensive is developing. on the other hand, drones, unmanned, lethal, including naval ones, even drones, they are starting to play more and more. role, on the other hand, we understand, they are increasing the production of drones, i think they have already established the production of iranian products and not only iranian products. if we are talking specifically about drones, then in general, if at the beginning of the war, ukraine had an advantage, the russians lacked drones in the first place, again in in the quantitative aspect, because in principle they had separate copies of almost the entire line, they had what was needed , but it was trivially little, it was not enough for such a big war, so they urgently turned to iran, already a few

months later the beginning of the war, iran closed as much as possible, partially, of course, but closed bottlenecks for the russians in this area, and then over the past time, russia has so developed this entire area of ​​drones of all types that now it has basically bypassed ukraine is on the brink of this whole issue, russia has already moved forward now, if ukraine does not step up its capabilities, as in terms of production, such purchases , and so on, then in general, this is the way it is, it is going, now the trend is towards a war of drones unfavorable for ukraine, joint production in poland, in principle in ukraine itself, if desired, was also possible in a year and a half. create even an underground production, it is quite possible, this is also done, for obvious reasons, it does not get into the open press, because immediately

posle etogo, russian gifts for this production are flying. it is clear that what can be done, but if you look at purely objective indicators, how it looks at the front , russia has come forward, in your opinion, where would the new minister of defense umerov and the new team of the ministry should make maximum efforts now, that is, in which areas of what is called the work of the ministry of defense, where should they speed up? in principle , it is understood, they themselves know everything very well, they have a list of tasks, but the ministry of defense. and indeed his task is not to fight, and will produce everything for the army, logistics and planning, yes, yes, yes, everything that was called everything for the front, everything for victory, primarily military production, including in cooperation with allies, precisely because if possible to transfer at least part of the production abroad, where it will not be attacked, this of course must be done, it is already being done in part and even

in part it has already been announced in the press, as danylo said that at least part of the rocket... production of ukraine conducted for within limits, it is clear that what can be done is far, not everything gets into the press, but the fact itself, if there are still reasons, it means that, despite all the objective reasons, it means that it must be strengthened even more, up to necessarily more scientific ones, let’s say so the production of rockets using the same mortars, which at one time was not for nothing in the entire ukrainian army with splashes on the internet about the fact that there is an extreme shortage of mortars, the last... took more active role, as if they had become more, but in any case, i must emphasize once again that mortars are not airplanes , not tanks, in principle, it is not difficult to produce and it is strange, why did such a topic of a shortage of mortars arise in general, it would seem that in the first hour it was possible to produce much more, it is clear,

that in principle everyone knows the list of tasks, the most simple thing is to just start doing it, it is clear that it is easy to say, but well, in principle, if it is not activated, then no excuses will help, that it was difficult, that they could not do it, that failed, if ukraine it will lose, because of this, no one will be interested in these excuses and explanations , finally, david, do you see any prospect that russia can raise the level of escalation in one way or another, in particular, it may be about the use of ballistic missiles, in principle ballistic missiles are already in use. iskanders, they exist both in the form of cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, now, in principle, this topic started an hour ago, now it has received a second wind, about what is possible in addition to shahedam, russia will buy from iran , also medium-range ballistic missiles, possibly patah 110 or zulfikar, an hour ago

this topic was actively discussed, then apparently for one reason or another, still... this uranus did not work, but the next one ends next month the restriction imposed on iran in terms of trade in missile weapons, on this topic it is quite possible to expect that perhaps in the near future we will once again hear news about iranian hockey for russia, if this is true, then it is unlikely that there will be separate instances, if there will already be deliveries, most likely we will be talking about at least dozens, not hundreds, of iran in this area of ​​ballistic missiles. just as in the field of drones, it has advanced very far since the eighties, in particular because they have big problems with manned aircraft, so they invested in other air areas, such as ballistic missiles and drones, if they start transferring this to russia , of course, the situation of the ukrainian front, the ukrainian rear will become even worse until we reach this point. thank you very much, david, for this one extremely interesting and honest conversation

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