tokmak or near bakhmut, and these are also blows from the flanks of the tables, which can simultaneously disorient the entire defense of the enemy, and by blocking logistical or strategic logistics directions, they will actually devalue them and completely cut off the enemy. thank you very much, mykola malomuzh, general of the army of ukraine, head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine from 5th 2005 to 2010, thank you very much, mr. general, and we are closer to diplomacy, to domestic. of foreign countries, yaroslav voitko, diplomat, international expert, now i hope to get in touch with us, good hello, mr. yaroslav, thank you for finding time for us, my congratulations, glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, the first question is about the united states, then we will talk about ukraine's neighbors, but the first question, i can't understand it at all, so see

, the united states approved the draft budget for 45 days, but... without taking into account the aid to ukraine, well, what i had in my head before this information, that they just continue, if they pay like this, the funds come out the same as, say, in october last year, that is, in order not to adopt a completely updated budget, continues as if the action is by analogy with last year's fiscal year, that is, as much as it was in october, so much is given. but then it should also include aid to ukraine, did i mix something up, or is it a more manual management of the creation of the budget, mr. yaroslav, you have the floor, please, the situation is a little different than last year, last year there was a majority in the united states and in the house representatives, and in the senate of the congress of this country, now that last year, in the house of representatives, which is responsible primarily for budget financing, there is a group that,

consists of executives, representatives of the republican party who are in favor of the reelection of president donald trump and the so-called group maga, make america grand agen, make america great again, they have certain obligations to those senators and congressmen above all who elected the representative , the leader of this house, the speaker of the house of representatives, catwill mccarthy, and he has certain obligations to them. so that on october 1, today, a new, budgetary, financial year in the united states began america did not have, as we call it, a shutdown, that is, a shutdown of the government, a compromise decision was made for 45 days, until november 17, this budget will be in effect, that is , for... one day, the activity

of the american government does not stop, but a compromise and a decision for this, for such a decision to be made, there was a demand of this group of trumpists, so that there would be no aid to ukraine provided, it is now assumed that during these 45 days, and this was also requested by president biden: and this was requested by the senators, the majority, many representatives of the lower house, will work to ensure that , during these 45 days, a separate draft law is adopted, the so-called additional supplemental, that is, such an allocation, so that later, after the passage of those 4-45 days, it is possible to include

aid to ukraine, and the administration asked for $24 billion, come on, let's call you back, mr. yaroslav, because now my colleagues will redial, and while i'm explaining to the audience, this is kevin mccarthy, the leader, the speaker of the lower house, in fact, in what the question is why he is afraid of a re-vote, because the majority of republicans , in order for him to... in this position, put this condition, in case he does not behave the way they want, he will automatically fly out of this, this is a condition of receiving the position of speaker for this mr. kevin, that if he does something wrong, then they, the republicans, have the right to recall him immediately, and even then again, we remember that there were 14 or 15 rounds of elections there, and

even then there will be rounds again, in short, the lower the ward will be without a leader, and he is afraid to do anything, just so that it does not happen, right? to remove him, he is not an enemy of ukraine, he was with mr. zelskyi, they understood everything, but he is in such an elevated state, precisely because he became the speaker, because he agreed, here we see him, now he agreed to , that it's okay, as soon as i do something wrong, i guarantee you that i will leave, and here he is now, so he is sitting, and this speaker's chair is on fire under him, and he is nothing like that, specifically strong, strong moves , he is disarmed in order to make joint moves, yaroslav voytko, a diplomat, returns, i hope, if so, it's coming back, okay, well, and then the next

question is, do you have a feeling, i understand, nobody knows that, not even kevin mccartney, not even biden , but there's a feeling that the lower house will be able to come to an agreement with. .. by the upper chamber and come to a conclusion that is so good for ukrainians that 24 or how many tens of billions ukraine will be able to receive both in the form of financial aid and primarily in the form of military aid? hope is the last to die, there is hope because there is currently a two-party, two-chamber system support for ukraine, despite the fact that these 29 very ardent trumpists, they oppose such assistance, ukraine should see the 45 days that this interim budget will be in effect, well, in general, behave, very well, how should i say, so that there is no not even a hint of any corruption scandals , of any, even hints that

military aid is going somewhere, that ukraine is not carrying out the reforms that everyone is already talking about and this document has been officially handed over. to the ukrainian government, and the us embassy confirms that such a document exists, and ukraine, first of all, should act in its own interests, and as for support in the senate, there is democratic support there, there is a majority of democrats in the senate, only nine republicans voted against the law that was voted by the house of representatives earlier yesterday, so everyone wants to see, well not all of them, so if all of them would have already included the provision on aid to ukraine, but there are many who want to see this aid, that is why congress and the administration of the united states of america will be working for these 45 days, i really hope that our diplomats

will be very actively involved, and the ukrainian administration , the leadership of ukraine, again, will make every effort to... win this, or win back this trust that existed before, when there was no such group of trumpists in the congress of the united states of america, i think that after 45 days we will receive one or another amount to support ukraine. yes, yes, well then, after your words that we should behave very carefully, i can already feel the impending provocations from the russian side, the dropping of information about the fact that there is complete corruption here, weapons are wasted. money is being distributed to the right, well, it is obvious what the russian federation should do in such conditions, but my question is about, mr. yaroslav, about the south caucasus, which, according to your assessment of the situation, there really is a danger

for armenians there, because many people say that it, it is real, and the armenians themselves say how strong the position of turkey , azerbaijan, and iran is now, how much one can really believe in the weakening, weakening of the position of the russian federation, that's all, all that a bunch, i would even say, questions, it flies over all mass media, over all fink-tanks, world, that is , intellectual centers, everyone is trying to understand what will happen in the south caucasus after the victory of azerbaijan over armenia, over nagorny karabakh? well, first of all , azerbaijan should be congratulated on the fact that it is beginning to restore its territorial integrity. as we remember, in 1991 there was a self-proclaimed nagorno-karabakh republic, which existed literally until the 20s of september and there were several warriors with this

thank you for that, the 91st 94th, precisely the nkr, so called because no one recognized it, not even the armenians. did not recognize this republic, although it called it artsakh in its own way, it existed, and moreover, a third of the territory of azerbaijan was occupied, in fact, by the troops, then in the 20th year there was a lightning operation with the help of drones, with the lightning actions of the azerbaijan army, a certain part of the territory was liberated, and now it is said that now the territory, which used to be called the nagorno-karabakh republic, is recognized and even still by the way, there is no written recognition, because there should be a corresponding agreement between armenia and azerbaijan, i think that with the mediation of the same turkey, i

think that it will not do without russia there, it should be formally established, maybe it will be by the end of the year, we now know that from the first of january, the 24th year, this illegal formation will cease to exist as such, because all the state, so to speak, or quasi-state bodies that existed there, they will be dissolved, that is, there fashion ... the azerbaijani government is fully established. what it is means for the armenian population, which has always been the majority there, this problem is still territorial, it has existed since the 19th century, in soviet times, why did it arise in soviet times, yes, when the borders of the soviet republics were still formed during stalin's time, well, very arbitrarily , the territory is inhabited mainly by armenians, it went to the then azerbaijan ssr, when transcaucasia was formed, well, then the azerbaijan ssr, this

process, of course, will be long. 100,000 armenians, we already have information that they left the territory of armenia, because, sorry, nkr, and they are moving, they are moving to armenia, 2,000, a little more azerbaijanis have returned to these regions, there is a danger that. there will be some non-compliance with the rights of the armenian population, although azerbaijan says that it is ready to observe all human rights there in that territory, and let's hope that it is so, moreover, azerbaijan confirms this by inviting for the first time in 30 years, there is a un mission that has just arrived in that region and will monitor the fact that this process did not proceed to

the benefit of the entire population and azerbaijanis and armenians, well, that is, no, armenians should not worry, as you think, if there is also the un, there are observers, some, that is, armenians are still worried, of course they are worried, because they had there, well how to say, more, if it were right, there were more of their settlements, more armenian language was there. of course existed and was guaranteed, now it will be a long process, and we really want to hope, i would like, that azerbaijan will behave like a civilized the state, and as it is now showing that this is a very, by the way, a good example for ukraine, as possible, by military means, but without special sacrifices...' to quickly liberate its territories when the conditions for this are met, we really

hope that someday, let's say for crimea, for donbas, such conditions will be created that we will be able to liberate it, and then a long process will begin again, the restoration of these countries and the restoration of sovereignty, in this case azerbaijan over the nkr, and ukraine over our southeastern territories. thank you very, just as we are watching now, you have seen this footage. this is exactly the un mission arriving in the former nagorno-karabakh, the former artsakh, now nagorno-karabakh again, and we thank yaroslav voydek, diplomat, expert, internationalist, thank you very much for being with us, now we will have an advertisement, in a few minutes yes, and then we will move from the south caucasus to the european continent and talk with specialists in the field of europe, let's say so, but... anyway, first advertising.

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mean, blah blah blah, does it mean something? well, because there is a minister of defense, he probably makes a decision and the chancellor probably also makes a decision, he is in the parliament for that parliament, which from the word parle, that is , talk, please, here is the tribune, you can say anything , or it is in germany somehow there is a possibility that these are not just words, but some, well, maybe not by order, but such a proposal is serious to the executive power, to allow ukrainians to let these taurus into russian territory. good afternoon, thank you for inviting me, well, actually, this is a very, very correct question you are asking, that is, how much, how much of this, how to say it, how much of this mandate for the use of german weapons is there in ukraine, and who exactly gives it, that is, it is necessary to understand something here, this statement, it came from a representative of the faction of the free

democrats, this, if i am not mistaken , this is strack zimmerman, uh, they said that she represents the free democrats in the bundestag defense commission, and she is basically considered one of the most hawkish, hawkish in german politics, and here you have to understand that, first of all, the german government he is a coalition these are social democrats, free democrats and greens, and defense minister pistoriyus, he is a social democrat, chancellor scholz, he is a social democrat, and the social democrats are one of the most pro-russian parties. uh, in germany, that is, not all of them, of course, are on the side of russia or on the side of what they say is the protection of peace, but a certain number of social democrats, social democrats, they... stand confidently on the positions that arms to ukraine it is necessary to give very limitedly, and that it is necessary to talk with russia, and oh my god, that something german production will fly towards russia,

despite the fact that both strack zimmerman and representatives of the green party, such as the minister of foreign affairs anna lena burbok, or vice chancellor robert habek, they adhere to completely different positions and say that the opposite should be given, but now it's about tau. any decision to provide such weapons is made by the german security council, which includes the chancellor, and the chancellor has the final say there. and so scholz has not decided to give taurus up to this moment and he is completely slowing down the process. in order to put pressure on scholz, he is constantly created public pressure. and we saw it during the discussion about the leopards, and during the discussion about panzerbitsy 2000, and during the discussion about other weapons, such as

the mars-2 missile systems, this is the german analogue of the hymars, it is the same as the hymarsi, but not on on wheels, on tracks, here and now here is this statement, this is also the very pressure on scholz, because the german position was that we cannot give tauras, scholz's position, in fact, we cannot give...' because they have to be programmed, and programming is done thanks to german engineers, then if german engineers program these taurus according to russian geolocations, then germany will allegedly turn into a side of the conflict, this is a very german, very absolute discourse, having nothing to do with real politics, it is fixed precisely on these legal phantoms, and this very statement, this very statement, zimmerman is putting pressure on scholz, which, on the contrary, raises the stakes and says that even russia can be beaten with these taus, not to mention the whole, something else, so she actually proposes

scholz will agree to give tauros to hit the occupied territories of ukraine, where the russian troops are stationed, and to tell him, well, okay, we will not go to russia, but we will go to the crimea, there and then to the donbas, and mr. serhiy, still one question, if you are talking about free democrats, social democrats, greens and so on , the latest sociology that is in front of me, maybe you have even more recent one, says that the alternative for germany is 22%, if there were an election today, maybe 22% of germans voted for such a right-wing, far-right, some consider a pro-russian alternative for germany, well, at least, it may not be pro-russian, but definitely anti-european, i would say so. why are they becoming so popular all the time, they are growing, maybe not exponentially, but we can see the growth , tell me your analysis, why are they like that, that everyone is kissing them now,

that 22% of them are already kissing, well, she is obviously pro-russian, that is, here , that is, if it is about the sdp, we can say that it is conditionally pro-russian there, or that there are certain pro-russian people in the ppp, then here is an alternative for germany, ad it is absolutely. pro-russian and you can read their official statements and their position and at what events their symbols are there, that is, there is an absolutely clearly pro-russian position and their deputies go there and they went to the occupied territories and they were in crimea and if i don’t i am wrong , they were even in the occupied territories of the donetsk-luhansk region, that is, everything is clear there. well, yes, really, according to... according to the latest sociological survey, they have 20-22% there, well, it is according to various surveys, and

of course, there is a plus-minus of 1-2 percentage points, this is a statistical error , that is, there can be a plus-minus, they actually turned into the second most popular party in germany after the christian democrats, who have about 30%, that is, they bypassed all three parties of the ruling coalition, that is, the government coalition, i.e. they are more powerful than the spd, than the greens, than the liberals , why yes, well, germany is now in such a, let's say this, in such a traditional, such a german, how to say it, such stagnation, i.e. the economy does not change, that we will look at the situation with other european economies, then all economies... demonstrate such a fairly stable, fairly steady growth, well, this is even after the pandemic, it is logical that they are growing, the german economy is stagnating, and the germans

feel it too, inflation is quite powerful, well, according to german , according to german conditions, people feel it for themselves, and plus the german in principle, the perception of reality, it is quite traditionally based on the feeling of such , you know, apocalypse, that is, that now everything is simply everything is bad, there will be no pensions, the medical system economy collapses so it almost died, and and and and here on this background, this is such a normal german perception of the situation, the germans traditionally treat the world around as the world that will die tomorrow, but look, but earlier, 10, 20, 30 years ago, even we ukrainians knew, well, at least ukrainians like me, knew this phrase ossie and wessie, that is, east germany and east germans and west germans, and so it was believed that as if

they were eastern, they were so... more inclined to some such authoritarianism, they loved soviet champagne, i remember i was in yalta in 1990, some 5th year, there were a lot of germans there, but from the east, who loved to drink soviet champagne since soviet times, this is soviet champagne, today this is an alternative for germany, who is this, this is already a turned page in the weight axes, these are already ordinary germans from any regions. germany, which is suspicious of europe, is good with russia, does not want to help ukraine, ezzer, ezzer, er, no, that is, in the east of germany, the alternatives for germany have a much more powerful position, that is, if i am not mistaken, in all in the absolute election areas, that is, in eastern germany, except for probably two or three alternatives for germany, according

to the survey, it is... the most, the most popular party, that is, there are certain, certain areas in eastern germany where there are alternatives for germany has 40, 50% support there, and it is precisely, let's say, here in turin , there recently, they almost elected the mayor of the city for the first time, from the alternative for germany, only there, in the last, last minutes, there was such a general call, it means to vote for him. they didn't choose it, but of course you know what it is, the last, last minute of the attempt, she, regardless of the fact that the adn people did not choose a candidate, it all shows how powerful they are, but in the west it is not like that, in the west almost nowhere, they are not the first party, but, but in many regions, it is the second party in the west, that is, if we look

at bandenten in other regions, they, they are definitely the second party, that is, here we can say that in the east yes, they absolutely captured this discourse, outraged, dissatisfied such , that means people who believe that everything was stolen from them there someone came and stole their misfortune, i'm sorry, yes, yes, yes, i agree with you, here you are telling, and i remember something, something reminds me of the russian federation, they stole from us, we lost, we feel bad, we are lost something wants to take away our oil, our gold, our gasoline and our everything, and this is very, now it is clear why this is such a coincidence with russia, because people are so very similar, at least their moods, resentment is generally quite a powerful emotion, and this feeling that

someone has offended me. they are very powerful, negative emotion, but very powerful, but here what must be understood is that now , that is, those who vote for adn in the east, they may not even remember the gdr, that is, they may be younger, they may be 30-35 there, that is, they are, in principle, even , if they were born, then only there in the last years of the gdr, that is, they cannot remember, but all they have is this, this legend about some... such a powerful, good country, which western capitalists came and stole into them, despite the fact that, well, if, it's obvious that this is a lie, it's obvious, well, it's enough just to look, ok, mr. serhiy, sorry, i am interrupting you, just not much time, this trend will stop, that is, this logic of the easterners, it can spill over to the west, that is, can we imagine...