[000:00:00;00] nothing is happening, everything is fine there, there is no p i already after the last , let's say, the last ten, 10-15 years, which i have been dealing with ukraine and polish-ukrainian, i would really like to have such a bedroom in ukraine, in fact, i really wanted , but if i don't see a chance in the near future, unfortunately, yes, it's true, dariusz materniak, a polish expert on international issues, the head of... the center of poland ukraine was with us. thank you very much, mr. dariush, now we will be even closer to the former soviet union. i'm just asking if mr. is here already janis. they are recruiting, yes, and it will be, we will have a latvian story, a story about latvia, then we will return to ukraine again, but i would like to say that these thoughts about the future of ukraine, the distant future, as we just

understood from mr. darish, are not close . this not so close prospect of transforming ukraine into a normal european, i would say a normal european, boring country, well, i say boring, because i am a journalist, and as a journalist, i understand that when there is, when you live in such a simple country, there is definitely something to write about, there is always something to write about, people are different, people people make mistakes, people are criminals, they are heroes, but nevertheless such fundamental moments will be clarified, andruhovich, somewhere, i don't know, 20 or 25 years old, he lived a lot in europe at that time, and he, he was still said that now we are on the border, and we have some such processes that are interesting to describe, and these are such creative processes, that is , for artists, for poets, for er, musicians, this is an interesting such, such, such an experience, these strife, and now also war, no doubt it will give impetus to some, some

emotions, but... but when will it happen, when ukraine will become europe, it will be quite a country like this, no, not too colorful, but there will be a country like this, well, yes, we roughly understand where we are going, what we are doing, nothing so explosive, the kind that journalists love, and journalists always like some kind of revolutions, transformations, reforms and so on, my journalist friend, taras pratsyuk, who went to wars all his life, died in my place. and died in the war, well, but he loved that there was someone against someone and afghanistan, and pakistan, and the gaza strip, and the balkans, and the verats killed him, by the way, and so on, and so on, so, well, this is a profession, when you need something to happen around you, then you have a job, and let's say when i talk about canada, what i

talked about with mr. dariush, i have there comrade, he says, i'm just lucky, he's in a big company, well, he's in the cbc - it's such a big main, main public television, and television in general, he says, so what, and i always laugh, i say they help you a lot only russian diplomats, they say, why do you think that russian diplomats, i say, because about once a six months, once a year, and the russian diplomat drinks heavily somewhere in ottawa or toronto or wherever he works. and either hits someone, or travels somewhere, or violates something, and then there is such great food for journalists that journalists do, they develop it micron by micron, what car, what car, where is the car made, why does it have such a braking distance, why not like this, and what to do so that there is such a braking distance, and what not to do, and so on and the like, and they

break it all down into thousands of some components and why, how, how much should a person drink in order for such a person to be retarded, and what is the reaction, and this is a whole series of such articles, studies and so on, this friend of mine, alex, he researched, because this is how much rest a pilot flying from canada should have to australia, many hours, and sometimes many dozens, if there are transfers and so on and the like, then we need to find out how he feels... how ready he is to fly this plane, and behind him there are 200, 300 , 400 people, isn't there any danger if he gets as tired as he needs to sleep, and how to recover, and what do doctors say, and what do psychologists say, and what and what do these and those and five tenths say, this is the future of ukrainian journalism, i also hope that

we will also have flights from kyiv to adelaide. this is australia, i hope. okay, janis bordans, latvian lawyer and politician, leader of the conservative party, ex-minister of justice, appears. in front of us, thank you for finding time for us, thank you for finding time for us, thank you very much, i'm switching to a language that will be understood by more, than, than, than lithuanian, than latvian, excuse me, latvian , excuse me, well, here is a question, then a question arises as if to you, here russian, russian-language editions, as i understand it, are generally in the public sphere, means... now there will be no information in russian after some time, there are no violations, i am becoming the devil's advocate here, half of the population

of latvia generally speaks as they say to me, i don't know, maybe it's not true, russian-speakers, at least, who know russian well, they are losing him opportunity, source of information, let's say there, or the source of propaganda, here we are. here i don't know if the information is there or propaganda, but, but in principle, they can start protesting, file a complaint with the european court of human rights, they took away some kind of opportunity from us, and so on, how inside latvia reacts to this these government decisions react normally, and it is necessary to explain, if possible , to clarify a few points, namely, because here the story... hides in the details, and the details are such that, well , some time ago, we really tried to close the clearly nazi russian

propaganda, well, for 30 years, in fact , politicians and the state had this on the one hand, but they were afraid of the fact that you mentioned protests and the european courts and the like , and more of themselves, well, maybe their determination... they were afraid of that too they didn't do, that is, they didn't close the russian and these propagandist chauvinistic nazis, well, propaganda, but the attack on ukraine , aggressive actions, criminal violations against humanity, changes the situation, we have long ago... closed those channels that broadcast nazi propaganda from russia. now,

the next question, the question that arose today, is whether latvian society needs to finance , namely, the state, to finance television and radio broadcasts on the so-called public or, vulgarly speaking , state channels, that is, on channels that are legally belong to the state, is it necessary to broadcast, well, that there should be news programs in russian, now we are talking about this, now we are not talking about the fact that we prohibit private radio stations that operate according to the laws of latvia, in in accordance with the topic of the norms that are strengthened here, uh, here we are talking about state television and radio channels, why did we introduce such, well, now the government decided and the parliament also took

such actions, this is because the government established the concept of national security, which it includes the opposition to the war of nazi russia and in this context - well, all different events, including media ones, and i will say this briefly, well, about whether we turn off or not turn off some part, in latvia, the ability of latvian citizens to communicate, well, these are such concepts, of course, this is purely in russian. propaganda that tries to say so, and i understand that you played this role , the devil's advocate, because latvia must be a state

to protect the constitution, the constitution states that this state protects the latvian culture, the latvian language, and it is a national state, that is as a state, we must... protect these values, this language, this national state, and basically i must say, that here everything... all international humanitarian and other rights are observed, and i have no doubt that there will be no problems with this here, because latvia was under a hundredfold observation under a magnifying glass, under a microscope from all over the world from the very beginning of the restoration of independence , european and american organizations,

institutions that protect... well, people and the like. jane, tell me, here is an important question, is there dependence, look, did you limit or close russian propaganda, some time ago, and in polls, here this affects the mood of russian-speaking people, have russian-speaking people become... more european, have they stopped talking , putin is always right, and ukrainians, europeans are fools, and latvians are also fools, well, conditionally fools, yes, they are wrong, that is, if the connection between propaganda and the thoughts of the citizens of latvia, russian-speaking, let's call them that, thank you, there is definitely, there is this connection. and i think that very few such good

statistics are unfortunately also produced in latvia, it is probably not easy to do so, because it is an identity and the attitude of a person, probably, eh, menyaetsya with very many components, yes, well, i just came back, with a learned military scientist of latvia, with the name, eh, and i, well, as a member of the national... guard, it seems, as a military force, and we were here for 5 days shoulder to shoulder, of course, mostly latvian guys, men, women, and girls who are in the national guard, but among us there were those who this is the audience, yes, they are called, here they spoke everything in russian, yes,

when they were born and... and grew up, but they have no problem receiving information in the latvian language, they are actually assimilated by people, they receive a latvian and civil cultural identity, this is the only normal way, a normal way to exist as a state, they were here very different, well, in details, for example, we were in the city - here in forms from and so on at these exercises, and chauvinistic russians intoxicated by propaganda approached us, well, very little one person in our case here were exactly these guys, who here we are, they speak latvian, but they speak russian in their family, and there is no ambiguity here at all, they can... call themselves, they call themselves latvians, they

came to they started talking to this person after 2 minutes, this person after reproaching that we are interfering with the resurrection here and shooting, he switched to a completely different tone, he says, yes, i actually also served in the army in dshb, and in general, these are classes are very interesting, you know, this is common when they clean you up propaganda, well, as much as possible, and they give healthy national relations here in latvia, they definitely change it, and we are talking about young people, about children, now we are fighting about children, this is also what needs to be said, i think that even the majority of them russian-speaking people, even maybe for russia, yes, but we are now fighting for children, yes

, this is interesting, and the last question, i look, have i read about it or are they gathering, these stickers, are citizens of latvia sticking them, or are they citizens of russia, who come to latvia with such stickers, or we do not know who they are people, i don't know, but i can assume that. yes, i may be wrong, someone will prove otherwise, i think that this is a place, well, our local russians, chauvinistic na... built, who may be waiting, they are even very clearly waiting for what is here and were waiting for what is here russia will come here, because, in my opinion, those who come, well, there are a few cars , now we also prohibit cars from coming, but those who have come, they are more, well, they are afraid,

they, they understand that they cannot brazenly themselves to carry, although, although it is necessary to tell, что well those who come from... russia, i am sometimes surprised, there are cases that the police have recorded that he has broken 100 times, well, traffic laws, yes, they drive by car, he comes, violates, goes somewhere in europe , does not pay anything, yes terribly, in general, sometimes, but i’m talking about the stickers , i think that these are local people who are still trying to somehow protect nazi russia, but for latvian lawyer, politician, leader of the conservative party, ex - the minister of justice

of latvia was in touch with us, i would like latvians, latvians, estonians, lithuanians, that they don't until the arrival of the russian army, because you see, we waited, now we have been fighting for a year and a half, now to ukraine, and now the executive director has a dream, writer, educational expert tetyana komlyk, in touch with us, good health, ms. tetiana, thank you for finding today's day, i was told today that today is teacher's day, or among other things, today is a lot of holidays. look, good health, thank you for finding time for us, you and i literally have 10-12 minutes there, but this is enough, and there are people who know, for example, maybe they work in the presidential administration, or in the cabinet of ministers, or in the verkhovna rada,

or maybe you know how many teachers ukraine needs, because first we need to find out how many of these things we need. when they say there are some troubles, i can’t tell how many doctors, well, it’s not up to you, how many teachers, which teachers, in junior classes, secondary schools, subject teachers, so-called in my childhood were called subject teachers, well, that is, in physics or mathematics, someone about it knows, after we know it, we can move forward with you, ms. tatiana, and think about what reforms we need, please, yes, actually, this is all information... obviously, the ministry of education has, because the ministry of education itself has the information, how many teachers we have, how many students we have, at the moment i cannot say , how many teachers do we have in total and how many students do we have throughout ukraine, but you know, when we talk

about the number of teachers, it is important to add the question of the number of good teachers, because in the past year and a half we have seen: absolutely wonderful teachers, companions, heroes, we can even say that there are also teachers who have shown themselves quite badly, so here we have to look at the issue from both sides, and can we, mrs. tatiana, find such an algorithm, such a microscope, in which we will see and be able to distinguish a good teacher from a bad one. because i don't have one, it's hard for me to imagine when they will start, i hope you don't start, i have to pay more, then, then they will come, you know, i've known for a long time that no matter how much you don't pay a bad specialist, he will remain a bad specialist, and vice versa, a good specialist,

if he is not even paid, he still is will be a good specialist, he loves his work, a teacher must love his work, no matter how much they pay in the soviet union , i... was a teacher in a pedagogical school, my first salary was 105 rubles, i wouldn't say it was a lot, to put it mildly, that's why i imagine a little, and there were good and bad among my colleagues, for the same 105 rubles, some worked well, others poorly, well, actually, i remember that even at the beginning of the educational reform, in the times lilii hrynevych, all educational activists. education experts fought just over how to actually calculate the qpi, the honest kipi of teachers, that is, the quality of their work. and already depending on this to do so that the teacher receives

a higher reward for his work, for his high-quality work, but still , as far as i know, neither i was able to invent such a mechanism, such a system, unfortunately, nor other specialists, so far we could not find such an option and calculate the quality of the teacher's work and the reward system for quality work, that's why? well, yes, now the system is equal for everyone, unfortunately, and for those who are serving their time time at school, in the place of a teacher, and for those who do a lot, teaching children, what a report for those who make significant efforts, and it is i who emphasize that during these years and a half, i have seen a lot of teachers with a capital letter who did extremely cool and important... things for children to learn, and maybe it's worth going to different countries

and seeing how all these issues are solved there, because the pedagogy is different, absolutely, but i just have good friends, the children of my friends, they are already adults, i am also not a very young person, and they, she is ukrainian, he is swedish, but they live, they lived in england, and the children went to britain to an english school and they say that in england there is such a meritocracy, if you are good-looking, you are treated well, and so as if, well, they increase the capabilities of a person, and then they came to denmark, and then somewhere else, it seems to me to portugal, in data on the contrary, have fun, children , walk, develop, do what you want, no one is better, no one is worse, everyone is beautiful, the same, after england, it was shock, because in england... oh you're well done, you solved seven tasks, and you only five, we

we note that you are seven, we are danes, we are english, we are swedes, we are ukrainians, we are turks , i don’t know, everything is completely different in japan, you can search for us, there they also found some algorithms, how to create a good teacher, because without a good teacher will not make a good citizen, i think everyone understands this, that's right, look , here is the main problem... here we are ukrainians first of all, and i insist that we should study the positive experience of educational fields, educational systems, all the countries of the world, all the countries of the world that are there according to the results education, there is such a system, it’s called pisa, that’s where the level of knowledge of children is investigated, and we should still take those countries that show year after year, a very... good result, that is, from

test to test, in fact, and study their experience, and this has already been done, because before developing a new educational law , before starting the reform in education, the experience of european countries, and the experience of the united states, and the experience of other countries around the world were studied, this experience was studied and was involved precisely for the development of this reform, and you know, i even had certain hopes that there will be a result, but then scarlet happened to the educational system, to the educational sector, and now i note the complete degradation of absolutely all the reforms of the processes that were introduced by this reform, now they are basically gone completely and they do not work. yes, i know that, you know, at least i guess, yes

, i guess, well, look, i have another question for you, at least one, look, you can now, here i am, my, friends, my, colleagues, editors, here they prepare all kinds of cheat sheets for me, online, after illness, later war, well, covid-19. then the war and so on and all if, what to do with the decency, she is bad, she is like that, she is a bitch, something is needed, but i have the impression that this is, so to speak, the main river, yes, along which humanity is walking, not ukraine, not just as long as we have such a thing in our hands, it will develop in order to develop further, develop even further, and as a result this is possible. that 80% of distance learning will simply be the norm, not because there is a war, not because there is an epidemic in any countries, but because

it will be more convenient, maybe for teachers, they are on... and so on and so on, maybe needs personal contact, this, but i don't know if it's because we're used to personal contact or because it's really good, how do you ever tell someone that you know, a surgeon will be sitting in america and doing operations in ukraine , through some methods, he will have assistants in ukraine, everyone would say, you are out of your mind september, you are an idiot, now it is on... here it will start working, the same in education, we are a plus, or this is a minus, this remote control, we can get out of something by getting out of this and achieve some new ways of teaching children, and maybe adults? actually, yes, we can invent new ways of teaching both children and adults, and i believe that in ukraine, in ukraine, there was a wonderful

experience, which, of course , worked quite well in some schools, with some teachers , distance education, namely, in other schools and with other teachers, he worked very poorly in general, but, of course, we are all moving towards that, to the full technology of the school, you understand, when a teacher, he can be a pedagogue only when he knows how to work with all educational technologies, when he don't be afraid of a fight... at least the internet and the computer, when he can search for information, analyze information and can teach this to a child, now the world of information is completely open to modern people, to me, to you, if we are interested in any question, we can find it quite quickly and easily,

the same with children, at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, for example, my child, she is now 11, then she was nine, and she studied with teachers, one teacher lived in the united states of america, she studied english with him language, another teacher lived in canada, she studied japanese with him, another teacher lived in australia, she studied mathematics with him, it was a very interesting and strange experience, and now the additional classes that my child needs, she receives them remotely, and i no longer have such a problem as driving to teachers and spending half a day of the child and my time on this , there is no such stressful factor, but here too, the extent to which the teacher, the extent to which the teacher possesses technologies and

methods, plays a very big role teaching online. and speaking about whether ukraine will completely switch to distance education, or as you say 80%, then i will say here that a lot of children are actually not ready to study remotely, because when a child studies at school, parents also work here with motivation and teachers, the teacher can notice in time that the child has lost interest, attention, and then you can get involved, add more effort to interest the child, online, so far it is quite difficult to imagine how to do it when there are 20 windows hanging in front of the teacher and some children instead of faces, ms. tatiana, thank you, thank you, we roughly imagined it, i hope we may meet again on the air someday, i have many questions, because i

wonder what will happen in five years, in 10, and so on. next, tetyana komlyk, executive director of dream, dreams, writer, educational expert, was in touch with us, and now anna eva melnyk will be in touch with you and you will learn the latest news in ukraine and the world. good evening, thank you for your work, the newsroom continues to work. how ukrainian borscht went beyond cooking, who took responsibility for the attack in ankara, and for the first time in 30 years , un representatives came to nagorno -karabakh, what is the task of this mission, about all this and not only, i will tell together with the news team in this final issue. and let me start with this: european support for ukraine does not