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in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians. wins and losses, analysis and forecasts, politics and geopolitics. serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this. people who have information and shape public opinion. people who defend ukraine and create the future now, most importantly. interesting in the program verdict by serhiy rudenko, from monday to friday at 20:00, repeat at 12:10. i welcome you, dear tv viewers, on the air of the tv channel, the program studio zahid. we will analyze the most important events of this week, quite a lot of them have accumulated. our guests today are roman bezsmertny and david handelman. our first guest. roman

bezsmertny, ukrainian politician and diplomat. glory to ukraine, mr. roman, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes. good morning sir. the big tour of president zelenskyi and his team to the north american continent has ended. undoubtedly, an extremely important visit. well, but everyone, so to speak, was fascinated by external manifestations. and here i would ask you to analyze, right? we have crossed a certain line, and there is a lot of diverse evidence of this. on the one hand , there are very clear signals from the united states. in particular, regarding the possibility of providing ukraine with cassette atakams, of course, this is not exactly what we would like, but it is still a colossal breakthrough. on the other hand, we also received very clear advice from washington, both regarding internal ukrainian reforms, yes, and this is also a very serious story. so, mr. roman, you have the floor. the turning point actually came when the word real came out, the word abrams came out. the fact is that,

well, with the course of events and direct participation in them, we forget about the classic things, and indeed, if we take the weapons, all the weapons that are available on planet earth today, then, i don't know, fortunately or unfortunately, but only so, it shows that we are preparing for serious actions, and offensive actions everything else is defensive-tactical. i've never considered myself a military expert, so i won't delve deeper into this topic, but if you look at the classic stuff, the turning point actually came when it was clearly said that you were going to get abrams. now, about the visit to the united states america and everything that happened there.

including the head of academician kissinger, i will say this, the fact is that, kissinger in the spring of this year. made a somersault, which i never expected him to do, where when he said that in fact ukraine should be given weapons because russia is the aggressor, because it is about the fact that ukraine is defending not only itself, it is defending democracy. from the point of view of philosophy, the life philosophy of kissinger, this was an unacceptable thing. over the past year, i had to walk the kissinger road and learn in fact, his method of working with presidents and especially with the chinese, with soviet leaders and even with ukrainian ones, because if you remember, kissinger's road through nixon led all the way to kyiv, then in the distant 70s, until now

everyone is tormented by the question why vinson, why nixon actually flew to kyiv, what did he want to see here , in fact there was an absolutely clear task and setting, because actually... or the head of kissinger, who appeared in these events, she put many in impasse, but let's get closer to the situation, this is an overlap of things, which happened, forgive me for interrupting, just a lot of people may ask, what is kissinger's power, so to speak, because he is almost 100 years old, and he has no briefcase and no responsible button to push , but still... it represents an extremely powerful geopolitical lobby. he doesn't just represent a lobby, he represents a line, a political line, a foreign policy line that is maintained in the united states of america, and its wind is now blowing at the back of the current

president, at the back of the democrats, because in fact, conceptually, this kissinger ideologeme, it sits at the base, which is represented today, it’s even a shame , but well, it is donald trump, it is based on simple things, these are guys, stop fighting, let’s make money, on china and on the soviet union , only here there is one thing, which is why kiseniche broke his position in the spring, the fact is that china is growing on money, on the investments of the united states of america, and russia is not the soviet union, because it became clear that it has. .. army, which is the second in ukraine. the first thing i would ask anyone analyzing this visit is to lower the temperature a bit. why such emotions? because several things have overlapped that have an american, foreign, and even global political nature,

because the complete confusion of the un and the security council has been added to everything. what happened there, well, it's funerals. melodies, so if all this is combined and handed over to the ukrainians, then it is completely hopeless. and now let's look at the realities, how it actually happens. in the basis of the position of the united states of america is not only bipartisan support. this position is based on the entire defense-industrial complex of the united states of america and the position of the military. therefore, forgive me, but i do not share the fear of many ukrainian politicians, political scientists, analysts who talk about the fact that everything, everything will fall apart, nothing will happen and so on, and russia will win here, and everything, and so on, no , it won't be like that, now, and this letter,

which for some reason is shown as a tool, but is tied to the aid of ukraine, well, so what, mr. antin, there is no, that's for sure, anchors... these pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pay attention to how i say, i don't say document, i distinguish between what is a document and what is a piece of paper, to the help of the united states, the european union and the national governments of ukraine, this does not exist and this could not happen, in this regard i am more frightened by the fact that a lot of people in ukraine sat on the fifth point when these things happened, so let's put aside the nightmare of the un. security council, he is not here, let's put aside these six pieces of paper, because what is there written, well, it seems to me that you and i have known each other for 30 years, we understand what is written there, because it is the alpha and omega, of what should have been done a long time ago, why it was not done, is not

the topic of our discussions now, we understand how difficult we will analyze the question, but this is not what we are talking about, from here i can record it absolutely clearly. aid to ukraine will be provided as determined at the ramstein meetings. ramshtein meetings are mainly formed from ukrainian curls. parties, and these applications are submitted depending on whether how tactical operations are planned on the front line, in the rear and so on, and also, to this i want to add a phrase that ben hodges said: the war between ukraine and russia, it is not only a situation on the front line. there are cases, mr. antin, when in this war, sometimes the information field presses so that it prevails. everything that happens on the front line, and one more thing: the fact that the events on

the front line are not always evaluated objectively, sometimes it is necessary for the case, sometimes it is due to inexperience, and sometimes it is the result of the fact that information- psychological operations which applied by the enemy, they affect us. ben hodges, by the way, very clearly assessed the situation now on the battlefield, he said, well, only a moron, well, i’m paraphrasing, would criticize what the servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine are doing, overcoming minefields and fortifications, very well, american generals actually understand, what our military is facing, it's great, and the americans, british, french, germans, who are very well trained in these things, they perfectly understand what is happening and what is the perspective of the development of these events on the line front, but unfortunately, it so happened that in the course of events, this... the volume, the mass of information, it brought sadness to many, well, and such figures as the figure of kissinger, as you

understand, they are able to dramatize any - what is the situation, now the phrase and the essence of your question is, so what are the results of the visit , actually of the president himself, what did he succeed in, and what and where did some failures occur, it must be understood that the object of his work was actually the organization: nations, rada security and what is security and what is called in the fields if take away from here my own communication with the leadership of the united states of america in the senate, with kevin mccartney in the house of representatives in the pentagon, and it is clear that a number of meetings took place there, which are not mentioned, actually with the leadership of the central intelligence agency, with the minister of finland. and so on, because it was necessary to simply

look at the overturning of balances that took place during this time, and i think that many were surprised that there would be attacks, then they would not happen, then they would not happen again, but not like this, it is necessary give belongs to the americans, if you and i look at the f-16, at the abrams, at the hymers, then there was no such case that he said so and left, it either already arrived and they started to burn it, or it will appear soon, in in this regard, they are well done, they give our enemies the opportunity to fornicate about these things as they like, and they confuse the kremlin so much with this information that they still do not know how to react, once you and i used the formula, the supply of all types of weapons - this is a matter of time, which actually depends on the situation, on the situation

the front line, from the level of training of the troops, and specialists and from logistics, because you understand, it’s great, why supply when there is no one to use it, and if it is used, there is no way to service it, so all this must be done, of course , mr. antin, that all this has a price, this price is the death of people, the death of a soldier at the front, this is what definitely pressures the need to speed up and increase this aid, but it must be understood that in parallel with this, events are taking place that for some reason we do not take the positive development of events on the russian-ukrainian front. the first of them is the current situation in karabash, someone thinks that this is just a showdown between yaravan and baku. it's turkey and iran plus, right? well, it is obvious that these are things that

are beyond the scope, beyond the framework of relations between yerevan and baku. let's be honest, but this is very important. next: central asia, few people noticed, but in parallel with the events in new york, high-profile events took place, including consultations with all five central asian leaders. they are now going to europe, where exactly the same conversation will be held with them, and soon führer moskovskyi will go to kyrgyzstan, that is, this is another evidence that oxygen will be blocked in such a way that, including foreign policy diplomatic steps, will break the potential of russia, hence your thesis, regarding the fact that they got used to it, prepared, the essence of it is that for six months they talked about the fact that they have a worthless defense, but you saw perfectly well, and you

know it, that this defense was built according to the chinese model, based on a consultation between the ministry of defense and the headquarters of the people's army of china, the people's liberation army of china, as it was called, the visits of lishanfu, who is no longer there, and other heads of districts, this defense system was built, which means that it was filled not only with scientific and tactical , including weapons, this became known only two months ago, for the first time. when it was discovered that the chinese were directly involved in the preparation of this three-pronged line of defense, and thus we begin clearly understand that the meetings that took place on the eve of the un general assembly between sullivan and wani in this matter, the absence

of all 20tsi is large, this is also a consequence of the fact that the united states absolutely clearly said that beijing supplies russia with weapons, do you remember how he , for how long they could not open their mouths to him about this question, and here it was absolutely clearly stated, in beijing, the stigma in pushka. thus, to all the events on the front line, in which ben hodges is definitely right , a number of diplomatic, international, political steps are added, which were made, including, with the participation of the ukrainian side. mr. roman, forgive me for interrupting, but we understand that the united states is entering its election campaign, we understand that the military campaign is now entering the winter period of the russian-ukrainian war. we understand that it was not for nothing that the americans have already transported part of the abrams and it was not for nothing that they talked about the cluster atakams, that

is, the question here is how different scenarios will be superimposed, in particular on the picture of a long war, so on the other hand we see how the russians are stirring up their defenses, gradually-gradually, but they have established the production of drones, and we understand that they will try to extinguish our civilian energy infrastructure , this is such a triangle, look what russian drones without microcircuits are, in fact, what they call high-precision weapons, and these are drones , these are all missile systems, they need what we commonly... broadly call chips, this is the fourth generation, the fourth generation chips are produced only in taiwan, that is, the answer lies on the surface, the task is very simple, to block supplies to russia, let them pull them out of irons, out of washing machines, out of washing machines, well, actually what has been talked about for so long, so we can

say that the situation that has developed at the moment, it needs to be absolutely calm, objective assessment, understanding that the situation that is developing in the united states with creeping in, entering the electoral process, it will affect the situation of bilateral relations, but in this case i would focus on the first thesis about bicameral support and the second - the position of the military-industrial complex of the united states of america and the leadership of the military, military-political leadership of the united states of america, everyone was surprised, we were fascinated by the interaction between mark milli and the ukrainian defense ministers there, treznikov, zarazumerov, everyone forgot that mark milli is one of the people

from donald trump's team, and so i just want it to be, it's not exemplary, but it was evaluated objectively, that is, if you sum it up in general, and remove, misinformation from this process, remove what is not related to bilateral relations, it is developing with progress and serious progress, including the appointment of a controller, including the appointment of a person responsible for collection, investment and reconstruction. restoration of ukraine and so on. all this speaks of structuring, of comprehensibility, the weakest point is what you and i talked about a long time ago. current events, is the lack of a goal around which the entire coalition was united. if you ask today in washington, in london, in

berlin, in paris, what is the goal, why not you will receive an answer, or you will receive something like that, well, in the best case, it should be determined by ukraine, and this is what allows us to waver and rush through the informational and psychological operations conducted by our enemy. mr. roman, in the end, we have literally two minutes left, he wanted to clarify the pace and generally the temporal boundaries of the so-called military campaign. first, remember, a year ago i said that such a course of events speaks of procrastination. i understood very well what was happening then, i understand very well that when there is no air defense, then you are very... don't run, in fact, i am convinced that there will be no weapons that

will not be used in this war, there will be no option, until a general coalition is created, a joint command is created, a combined coalition force is created, as you see , the road to it, it leads, but it takes time. i perfectly understand that those who listen to us will think that we are dreamers, but the fact is that in this case we are not talking about a duel between moscow and kyiv, we are talking about a duel between democracy and totalitarianism, if all this more carefully listened to what happened at this late un general assembly, then the president of iran ibrahim raisi said absolutely clearly: today we, that is, he and his

allies represent an alternative to democracy and liberalism. and this means that an axis is being formed there, which will do everything to destroy democracy, to destroy modern civilization. in order to overcome it, an appropriate combination of forces, troops, and industrial complexes is needed. thank you, mr. roman, well, if the enemy will unite, if the forces of evil will be to unite, then the key story is the integration of the forces of good, and we understand that the process continues. thank you very much for this extremely interesting and useful conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, roman bezsmertny, was currently working on espress.

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fierce the fighting is now, in particular in the south. and in the east of our country, on the other hand , we understand that the russians are now starting to use their so-called strategic reserves, in particular, it is about the 18th and 25th armies, they are completely underformed, understaffed and underutilized of the strategic reserve in general means that not everything is going well with the personnel and with what is called plugging the holes on the front for the russians, but this does not mean that the situation is easier than this, first of all, they said, it is not winter yet, until the beginning of autumn will unravel, in principle, the summer company can still continue, but in principle, as we see , even if the slow gnawing will continue for some time, the so-called clock is ticking, that is, there are chances that there will be some then major breakthroughs, major successes decrease, after this it is possible

after a certain operational pause, perhaps even without it, if the ukrainian command decides, mediating, we move on, then the question is, indeed, the reserve, the very thing that 18-25 armies began to transfer, this is in principle, since several months on the southern front in general mainly on the mutual reserve , who still has enough reserve with russia to advance, we really see, at least according to the available information, the formation schedule... the armies are not sustained, they began to transfer faster, a positive factor in that regard, what this means , that the russians apparently do not have enough of those, let’s see if the ukrainian command itself has enough reserves, from the ukrainian side we see information that 10 more new brigades are being formed now, there is also, of course, the question of schedules, who should be prepared in october, november, december, which are they going to use either to continue

the continuous offensive? or in connection with the beginning of autumn , the ukrainian team will still disband, decide to take a break and rethink the next phase of the war, but we will see when it finally ends summer is no longer according to the calendar, but according to the climate, when the situation will really change, autumn dew will come. dear david, the next phase of the war that you mentioned, we understand that the so-called long war has begun, the russians were not ready for it, the world was not ready for it, in principle we heard quite optimistic forecasts from some or other of our military experts, but the reality is as it is, very harsh, very bloody, and there is a feeling that putin is really trying to play the long game, on the other hand, a number of events that were not expected