our defense and our offensive together with our partners. mr. volodymyr, the ministers actually came not alone, but with a large delegation, so we can now talk about the once cautious france, and now france , which, in fact, is ahead of everyone in helping ukraine. therefore, french defense minister sebastien lecornu arrived in kyiv at the head of a delegation of at least 20 representatives of the defense industry. european country. among them, one of the top managers of the manufacturer of the caesar installation, which is currently demonstrating its capabilities in ukraine, she armed with the ukrainian military. actually, such large delegations are obviously intended to deepen and expand cooperation. what kind of cooperation can this be, if only the manufacturers are going in such numbers. you have correctly pointed it out.

well, the composition itself, the large composition of such a delegation, is evidence of what is at stake, it is not just about a symbolic visit, purely political, but about the resolution of a whole series of issues, specific substantive issues, specifically of a defensive nature. i think that the arrival of such a delegation, he has the goal is several tasks at once, in particular, this is precisely the definition. specific needs of the ukrainian army, what exactly, how can it help us, what types of weapons do we need now, both today and in the future, in addition, you mentioned caesars, and there are some other types, i mentioned missiles , the french anti-aircraft guns, i think that an assessment is underway, they want to evaluate on the ground, in communication with our military, how it works... their

weapons are actually now with us, now we will return to communication with volodymyr fesenko, in particular with interesting, secretary nato, during the visit to kyiv, once again emphasized that, de facto , the minister of france, the minister of defense of the united kingdom, the secretary general of nato, this is already a meeting in kyiv, in particular with the president of ukraine, this is already a meeting, de facto allies within nato, and what... the future of ukraine is also on the table, and this is already a resolved issue, we will return to this aspect in just a minute, mr. volodymyr, please finish, yes, it is about an assessment of how it works , how effectively french weapons work on the battlefields of ukraine, for them it is important because to improve, modernize these weapons, they will actually test these weapons, so this is also very important for them and for us as well, because these weapons will be in our possession: to be used,

and here is also a new trend, our president said about it after the visit to the usa, and now this visit of the two defense ministers confirms this, it is about the development of cooperation in the defense industry. i think that there are talks now, it is not publicly announced, there, what the contracts themselves will be, where and what will be produced, but it looks like that this is a new direction of cooperation, our partners will help us. to develop defense production on the basis of its technologies, i think that in the first place it will be about ammunition, about shells and other ammunition, there may be components of missiles, and possibly the missiles themselves, with the use of western technologies, possibly certain types of weapons, that it is also very important for us in the future, and by the way, it will be considered as one of the security guarantees for ukraine, even after the end of the current war. it will be us. to hope, sir

volodymyr had already discussed the prospects of joining the north atlantic alliance, this was also one of the main topics of the meeting between the president of ukraine and the secretary general of nato, and here, in particular, interestingly, during his visit to the united states, the president and the head of the office managed to persuade ukraine to support euro-atlantic aspirations, even the former secretary of state of the hundred-year-old... henry kissinger, and it was actually quite surprising, because he had previously consistently opposed, in general, not even increasing military support, well, against any ambitions of ukraine regarding joining nato, because he even said that after victory, ukraine can become so strong that it will threaten europe, well, in general, if such mastodons, let's say so, are so deep, that the eaters who were against it before, already agree, that there is no alternative to ukraine in nato, he said so, they say, there is no sense in... blockade of ukraine

, what do you think this is a symptom of? i think this is a very important symptom and a very important trend, and you are right about this episode. in fact, kissinger changed his position not now, he began to change it during the current great war of ukraine against the russian russian invasion. at first, he really was a categorical opponent of ukraine joining nato, he also visited russia often, but it was the war, the heroic resistance of ukraine, then the effective ukrainian army, and the situation itself, development. situation, kissinger, who, despite his age, is one of the most respected international experts, he understood that now ukraine is becoming a key element of international security, and this applies to nato, and a key guarantee of security

for the future, so that a new war between russia and ukraine does not take place, it is ukraine's membership in nato that must be, it is important not only for us, but also for nato, for the usa, that it is our membership in nato that will make a new russian war impossible and against us and against any other nato country , so this should be a radical change in the international security architecture, and another important point, kissinger even allows and promotes this idea that ukraine can become a member of nato, even if the complete liberation of the occupied territory, it does not mean that we... to give up the territory, this is not about exchanging membership in nato in exchange for the surrender of territory, nothing like that, no , the other is important, and the former rasmussen is talking about this, by the way, referring to the german surveys back in the 50s, that we have

the right to join nato, because some, experts say, no, as long as the war is going on, as long as part of the ukrainian territory is occupied, ukraine cannot be accepted into nato, no, this is kissinger's position that such an opportunity exists, and it must be used, and i i think it was a very right step on the part of our president, of our delegation, to meet with kissinger, to discuss these issues with him, because in this way we exert influence on the expert community both in the us and in the west as a whole. mr. volodymyr, the minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, has already confirmed. and announced, thus confirming the words of president volodymyr zelenskyi, that in a few days, ukraine will host the first defense forum , which will be attended by almost 200 different companies, defense companies and manufacturers from more than 20

countries of the world, and it will be the first such large-scale world-level forum, actually what to expect from such an event, ukraine, what contracts, maybe some alliances, what will be the most interesting? well, the fact itself is important, it is not just an event that should be considered separately, but i have already started talking about the fact that now one of the priorities for us is the development, cooperation in the field of joint production projects in the field of defense, namely joint production projects , so that we can manufacture weapons and ammunition ourselves. for ourselves, in particular with western technologies, we already have some very effective defense technologies, in particular missile technologies, there are technologies

on armored vehicles and so on, but we lack funding, we lack individual components for our own production, well, now there is definitely a problem and the russian shelling, this will also interfere, but we can start such cooperation, as far as possible, with abroad or on some secret objects and areas inside the country, it is important to find partners, some partners already exist, for example, rain metal, which manufactures the same leopards, they have already declared that they are ready to cooperate with ukrainian enterprises, especially since we have a lot of experience making specifically armored vehicles, and actually german technologies will be used here, in terms of ammunition and missiles. when our president was in the usa, he also announced that one of the main results of the visit would be an agreement on joint defense production, precisely in the field of air defense, which is also important for us, i think that it is primarily about missiles for air defense systems, which we can produce

together with our partners, but this was announced even before the visit, in this forum, even before zelensky's visit to the usa. and this testimony that there is a systematic work of the ukrainian authorities on the development of our defense and industry, there is now a leadership and new managers and a staff. promotion and the ministry of strategic industries work very powerfully, dynamically, effectively, we already see how ukrainian weapons work effectively on the battlefield, and now we need to expand our circle of partners, that's why this meeting, this forum, it's not just you know , as it used to be in many countries of the world, gathered, showed their weapons there, agreed on contracts, as the rule about what to sell abroad or occupy for the country , here it is primarily, i think, not just about what we still need to buy, the needs are such, and they are realized through the ramshtein platform, but what

to produce , with whom and what to produce in ukraine, so i believe that a strategic event is a very important event that will work not only for the current needs of ukrainian defense and the ukrainian army, but will work strategically for our security guarantees already in the future, so thank you for an explanation, mr. volodymyr, one more topic, we want to make time will also discuss a rather high-profile one that has been going on for more than the first week, probably not the first month, it is the possibility of holding elections during the war next year in ukraine, so we remember the calls of the congressman, in particular linc graham, such a great friend there, let's say so , of ukraine, who repeatedly supported the initiative to support the supply of weapons to ukraine, but for some reason he focused a lot on the topic of elections, saying that ukraine should confirm its democratic path and even on twitter he has already started to gather, well, to call on his people there comrades, other congressmen, to donate money to ukraine , so that ukraine does not spend money from the budget on

holding elections, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelsky repeatedly said that the problem is not only money, so we understand that many people are in the occupied territory for border, someone serves, and how can he be elected in parliamentary, for example, elections, in general, in general, mr. volodymyr, help to understand, yes, on the one hand, to confirm your path to democracy, on the other hand, the rights of people to be elected and elected in the conditions of war can be violated, where is this limit , i.e. the way we have to balance so as not to lose support and at the same time hold there, i don't know, hold these elections or not, well, i'll just point out, no everyone, perhaps now in the conditions of war, remembers this, we already have another parliamentary election in october, at the end of october, but the law on martial law prohibits the holding of any elections during war and martial law, and the absolute majority ukrainians understand this. this is confirmed by some logical surveys when

ukrainians were asked how they feel about holding elections during the war, and people understand that when there is a war, it is not about elections, there is indeed a problem with security, in the process of organizing the election process, there is a question of justice, well, how to really ensure normal participation in the elections, not only as voters, but for example, there people want to see... in the verkhovna rada, war heroes, yes, but how to ensure, they have to be either at the front or in the parliament, well, i i know, people even now, some parliamentarians, military, professional, they combine it, but still, well, it is difficult, and it will not completely contribute to their normal work both at the front and in parliament, so there are a lot of questions here, then the question of internal unity during the war, so arguments against the holding of elections, that there are many during the war, and our president publicly gives a significant part of these arguments in communication with our

foreign colleagues, that is why one election should be held, but it is already obvious, well, in such current conditions of escalation of war, constant shelling on the part of russia, well, elections it is impossible to hold normal elections, next year we should have regular presidential elections, while the issue is open , everything depends on how the war will develop, and if it is possible, for example, to end the war, then yes, elections will also be possible, while the issue is open , today this is a matter of discussion, according to my calculations, since the spring there has already been a third wave of discussion on this topic, at first there were rumors, now yes, but the topic comes to us from abroad, not from ukraine, it is not ukrainians who ask the question whether to conduct or not hold elections, no, western politicians,

some of these good reasons, why, because you mentioned about linzegram, well, i am a us senator, really a good friend of ours, who helps us a lot, but there is an active discussion on this topic in the republican party of the usa, and there are trumpists, such fierce, radical , even not all trumpists adhere to this opinion, but some say that there is no need to help ukraine, they do not hold elections, they say , in the usa, even under the conditions. there were elections during the war, but there were no hostilities on the territory of the usa, neither in the first nor in the second world war, but in our the war is coming to our territories, 20% of the territories are occupied, a large part. hostilities or front-line regions plus daily shelling, people die every day, yes, how to hold elections here, this needs to be explained, and yes, somewhere there is concern for democratic values, that there must be a renewal of power, even during war, somewhere there are such you know, the calculations are a bit cynical, that they say that in this way we need

to put pressure on ukraine, i think that after all... now we need to cooperate more actively with our partners and explain all the challenges and problems during the war, that now in the current conditions it is impossible to ensure neither the security nor the democracy of the elections, that is, it is better to postpone it a little, and then hold it when there is an opportunity for this, well, here are the problems associated with the elections, so, from the point of view the office of the president , in particular, we understood, thank you for helping to understand the reasons for such statements by partners from the states, thank you, volodymyr fisenko joined us today, we will be glad to see you again, well, we are moving on, let's talk about support from our, one of the largest, closest partners of the united states, in fact, what ukraine is asking for in return , us military aid to ukraine will not depend

on the implementation of priority reforms, the list of which was sent to kyiv, the representative of the white house said in a comment to the voice of america . he emphasized that the list of conditions should only help ukraine on its way to european integration. let me remind you that the day before, the embassy of the united states of america in ukraine confirmed the transfer of the list, but noted that the list of reforms was provided as a basis for consultations with the government of ukraine. anton shveits, economic expert, serviceman of the defense forces, is in touch with us. mr. anton, i congratulate you. good day. congratulations actually, let's start with that, or give an assessment of what the demands and needs for reforms from the united states are focused on, look, well , first of all, i want to note that we are not talking about reforms, as such, but about

the proposal , the document that we saw, it's a set of propositions, i can prove it very, very easily, and for example, in this document in range from zero to three months, there is a requirement to form a council of public control, the national anti-corruption bureau of ukraine, rgk nabu, the problem is that the rgk nabu was created, formed almost at the time when nabu itself was created, and this council has existed for many years, she is re-elected, and even if the cabinet of ministers changes the resolution that regulates the elections to the nabu rgc, the next term of the nabu rgc can be elected only next year, because the current term ends next year, so this impossible to perform, in the range from zero to three months, that's what the problem is, that is, it is a set of some proposals. without

going into details, we can say that there are actually two directions. yes, the first direction is, so to speak, the investment direction, and the second direction is the military direction, and if you and i take the purely investment direction, then it is, well, huge actually, taking into account how many state structures, we need to list there, i.e. there are changes that need to happen both with the anti-corruption vertical, nabu, sab and the higher anti-corruption court. and there are changes that should. happen with nazk, with arma, with sbu and so on, with many law enforcement agencies, including the national police and the office of the general prosecutor. all these changes are aimed at increasing their independence, at increasing their transparency, at personnel selection , or personnel testing, both the management and

the personnel of these bodies, that is, this is a situation in which america... for a long time would like to create in us conditions that will allow american, european as well as international business, invest in ukraine without problems and be calm about your investments, at least in part not military, but law enforcement, political protection of rights and property rights. you say, in the long run, mr. anton, you say, in the long run, we should understand it as a partner. realize that the war in ukraine will last for a long time, and the support should be as long as possible, yes, that's how they try to ensure the level of support for ukraine. not only at the expense of the state, that is , at the expense of the donor states, but also at the expense

private investments of international companies for a very long time, and they obviously cannot tell themselves how long the war will last, yes , they cannot analyze and plan about it, so they create tools and want ukraine to help them create these tools that will allow to support ukraine, in fact, endlessly, yes, because we must understand that the war may not end, even at the moment when we go to the borders of 1991, because russia started the war and only russia can end this war, so we can talk about a long support like the way they supported south korea or israel, well, for decades, in fact, in this case and here we are talking about the construction of such instruments and here are the proposals of the usa, this is actually a proposal to start a dialogue on the topic of how exactly ukraine will resist

, along with russia for a long time, well, you know, mr. anton, here, when in principle the target appeared in the public space, they immediately said that they said that if we do not fulfill the requirements, then the aid may be interrupted, but in general, i immediately thought if there are plans, and recommendations for their implementation. ukraine is allocated, let's say, 18 months, for example, a year and a half, yes, if i'm not mistaken, this means that the united states plans to support ukraine all this time, in a military sense, that is, we can understand that the , let's say, a far-reaching prospect of military aid, and probably, well, at this time it is calculated at least until the presidential elections in the united states, but how can the pre-elections affect the company, in particular, these recommendations, let's say, and on the prospects of military aid in the future?

the election campaign itself, as we can see, because of the shutdown, cannot lead to a reduction in the amount of aid, but it can lead to their delay, this is really bad, but hey, this is a democracy, there are electoral cycles in a democracy, there are also in the united states, in the case , if we look at the document itself at the moment and at the terms that are there, why do i say that it is a proposal, yes, in fact, most of the points that are there are already implemented by ukraine within memorandum with the international monetary fund, in fact part of this document is a copy of the international, well, a copy of the memorandum with the international monetary fund, both in substance and in form, this document is written in the same way as imf memoranda are written. many points from there have been taken up by ukraine for work a long time ago, because we are working on them within the framework of the imf beacons and in general just the demands of the imf and

the money sent by the imf, in total 115 billion dollars, they go to a part of those points that are specified in the document, i.e. there is nothing new, what is new, of course, not at all will not lead to a stop in particular... military aid, that is, if you and i are talking about military support, it will not depend on how we will discuss this particular document, which proposals we will accept, which we will not accept, the very readiness for dialogue, the readiness to discuss something, the readiness to make some reforms will already be sufficient, that is, we are not saying that if we do not have time to fulfill some point in three months, then the aid will stop, nothing like that. it will be, but what to say about the elections, i have nothing here i can't say, the us elections are the business of the american people, americans, we have bipartisan support and we hope that

it will remain so in the future, thank you, anton shvets, an economic expert, a military serviceman of the defense forces, joined our broadcast, well, we will be with you today puts three dots, the support of two presenters, oleksiy homan, kateryna derkach, thank you for being with us this hour, thank you for your trust, see you soon. chevorons approaching victory, based on the mortal danger that loomed over ukraine, continuing a thousand-year tradition. state formation in ukraine to declare ukraine an independent

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so worrying, as for everyone, you know, his intention, in general, how to restore the soviet union, and if they say, then only the grandmothers on the benches, kharkiv is ukraine, always was, is, and i hope that it will still be, our plans do not include the occupation of

ukrainian territories. we are nobody and nothing we are going to impose forces. he announced that he was sending russian troops to these regions. he calls them peacekeepers, it's nonsense.