[000:00:00;00] from donald trump's team, and in this way, i just want the situation, it is not exemplary, but it was evaluated objectively, that is , if you sum it up in general, then remove, ah, misinformation from this process, remove what is not is related to bilateral relations, it is developing with progress and serious progress, including the appointment of a controller. including the appointment of a person responsible for collection, investment and reconstruction, restoration of ukraine and so on, all this speaks of structuring, of clarity, the weakest point is that what you and i have been talking about for a long time, long before the current events, is the lack of a goal around which the entire coalition was united, if

you ask: in washington, in london, in berlin, in paris, what is the goal, you will either not get an answer, or you will get something like this, well, in the best case, it should be determined by ukraine, and this is what allows us to falter and tear us because of the information and psychological operations conducted by our enemy. mr. roman, finally, we have literally two minutes left, he wanted to clarify the pace. and in general temporal boundaries are so-called military campaign. first, remember, a year ago, i said that such a course of events speaks of a delay. i understood very well what was happening then, i understood very well that when there is no air defense, you will not run very well. in fact, i am convinced that there will be no

weapons that will not be in favor in this war, there will be no option until a general coalition is created, but a joint command is created, a combined coalition force is created, as you can see, dear to this, it leads, but it takes time, i understand it is wonderful that those who listen to us will think that we are dreamers, but the fact is that in this case, we are not talking about a duel between moscow and kyiv, we are talking about a duel between democracy and totalitarianism. if, before all this, we listened carefully to what was happening at this late un general assembly, then the president of iran, ibrahim raisi, said absolutely clearly:

today we, that is, he and his allies, represent an alternative to democracy and liberalism, which means, that is formed there an axis that will do everything to destroy democracy, to destroy modern civilization, in order to defeat it, an appropriate combination of forces, troops, and industrial complexes is needed. thank you, mr. roman, well, if the enemy will... unite, if the forces of evil will unite, then the key story is the integration of the forces of good, and we understand that the process is ongoing, thank you very much for this extremely interesting and useful conversation, our i would like to remind tv viewers that the iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat,

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the situation is easier than this, first of all, as you said, why not winter, before the beginning of autumn will wake up, in principle, the summer campaign can still continue, but in principle, as we see, even if slowly... the breakthrough will continue for some time , what is called the clock is ticking, that is, the chances that there will be some major breakthroughs, major successes decrease, after that, perhaps , after some operational pause, perhaps even without it, if the ukrainian command decides slowly, let’s move on, then the question of real reserves, the very fact that 18-25 armies began to transfer, this is in principle, since it is mainly a mutual reserve, who still has enough reserves with russia to advance,

indeed, we see, at least according to the available information, the schedules for the formation of these armies are not sustained, they began to be transferred more quickly, the very positive factor in the sense that this means that the russians apparently do not have enough of them, let's see if there are enough... reserve command, from the ukrainian side we see information that 10 new brigades are being formed now, there is also , of course, the question of schedules, who should be prepared in october, november, december, how they are going to use them, either to continue the continuous offensive, or in ties with the beginning of autumn will unravel, after all , the ukrainian command will decide to take a break and rethink the next phase of the war, but we will see this when finally... the summer will end not according to the calendar, but according to the climate, when the situation will really change, the autumn will come, dear david, the next phase of the war that you mentioned, so we understand that

the so-called long war has begun, the russians were not ready for it, the world was not ready for it , in principle, we heard quite optimistic forecasts from some of our military experts, but the reality is this. as it is, very harsh, very bloody, and there is a feeling that putin is really trying to play the long game, on the other hand, a series of events happened, which were not expected either in the kremlin or in russia. the general staff was certainly not waiting at the black sea occupation headquarters, which was crushed. the offensive itself, the strategic summer company of the ukrainian army, had as its goal not just an exit to the shore of the sea of ​​azov from the intersection of the land corridor, the strategic goal of this exit was precisely to break the trend of turning this war into a long war of attrition in the style of... iran-iraq, because in the case of cutting this land corridor, it

changed the entire strategic situation front, precisely this, in principle, the southern direction differs from all others, because the entire front has the shape of a horseshoe, and the only place where it is possible to break this horseshoe into two parts, let's say this, is the south, but if this does not work, the war continues, as it has been until now, that is, it is really turning into an iranian-iraqi one, in itself...' is never beneficial to anyone, but in this case it is clear that it is much more disadvantageous to ukraine than to russia, because millions of refugees continue missile and air strikes throughout the country, attacks on infrastructure, industry, etc. continue, and the prospects of the state are generally unclear, how to proceed with state construction in such conditions, the russians, on the one hand, of course, did not plan such a long war in advance, but after kiev

failed in 3 days, and even after the withdrawal from the kharkiv region, from the kherson region , in principle, if you take a couple of steps back and look, the situation of russia at the front is not so bad, there is no collapse of the front, there is no collapse of the russian army, russian statehood, moscow, in principle, it is possible to fight, that's why all these plans come from there. the game is long, all these already announced plans for building up the armed forces until the twenty-sixth year, and we see the expansion of the military industry and the already announced figures for the increase in military spending, indeed, russia is entering this long war of attrition in a better position than ukraine, because that even the same shelling, for example, affects only a few border regions, of course, no one flies deep into russia, and the whole question indeed, how much more is possible... to continue, especially given that in terms

of military equipment, ukraine is almost completely dependent on the western allies, that is, in simple words, it depends on how they see the goal of this war, far from the amount that ukraine would like for itself, for some kind of decisive victory, this is not enough, therefore everything is precisely based not so much on the possibility as such, but on the intentions, in this case the intentions of the western leaders, first of all, united... states and here again additional political points, we are entering the pre-election period in the united states, in principle any war is first of all a political matter, then a military one, but this specific war is even more so, precisely because ukraine is almost completely dependent on the western allies, they themselves are not are fighting, so they are guided not so much by military as by political reasons, so let's see in which direction their desires will really go in regard to what they see, which is called the end-game.

in which direction is this war going? is it, for example, theoretically speaking, putting pressure on the ukrainian leadership to go for some, or in the other direction, they can theoretically say that it is permissible, even this summer offensive did not bring such results as we wanted, but in principle the war is still not lost, we will continue to supply weapons, for example, for the next summer offensive, we will allocate even so much and so on , but this should all be done... we still do not know how the same abrams m1 tanks will be used, yes, but as if the process has started, yes, want to believe that their number will increase there, i don't know, from a dozen units to several hundred, but this, as you rightly noted, will depend to a large extent on the plans of the united states, on the other hand, there are chances of receiving cluster attacks, yes and here the key story

- is that america can overcome this psychological threshold, yes, because etecoms is extremely serious, although we understand various modifications and so on, well, but what concerns the south, cluster attacks would be very, very good. in principle , you can say that the legs are the same stormshaw, the scalps too were not delivered, but they are useful, if you add to them also this kms, an additional, additional plus, perhaps for ukraine in that you do not need to use airplanes for them, they are launched from ground aimars, perhaps. yes, it will be easier for ukraine, in any case , not for nothing . that

is precisely what the united states is afraid of escalation that is why it is not given, that is, the very non-giving shows that great importance is attached to it, but on the other hand, it is still necessary once again that it is not some miracle that will not solve the war by itself, but one more plus, additional plus, let's say, the impact on the southern front, which is too far from the front, russia still has the same ships, so they can't pull it out, because sooner or later they won't be able to withstand the sea, so they have limitations, for this entire depth of the tkms they can deliver, so we will really see if they will go to the front in in the near future, because information is coming every day, they have already promised , no, they have not promised, in fact, they already do... they just don’t want them, he says here, but in any case , apparently there was no application as such at the front yet, so let’s see, if they still arrive and begin to be applied, then we will already be able to really see, not theoretically but practically, dear mr. handelman, and how do you think the breakthrough of the enemy's front line might look under the current circumstances, because

it is complicated by the fact that the whole territory, the whole the perimeter is mined, and we understand that the russians, well, their key, main... task is to stop the offensive impulse so that it is possible to move on to some actions of their own, perhaps a counter-offensive plan, but in any case we understand that the logistics are russian is collapsing, gradually, but collapsing, and if, for example, the so-called railway part of the tokmak is destroyed, the russians may have additional big problems. after the first requests in june, when the ukrainian command saw that there was indeed some rapid breakthrough then there was a dilemma, either to curtail the offensive completely, or to switch to the tactic of slow procrastination, they decided that it is better to be slow than nothing, so now it is also difficult to expect that the russians will suddenly run out of strength, this will allow some kind of quick breakthrough and exit to the operational

space, while the slow soaking continues, also in the principle of pairs , according to the same principle, it is better slowly, as it means... the account, indeed, if it was possible at least, then it could be considered partially, this attack, about the transition a counteroffensive for the russians right now is far from a fact, if they have more or less enough for defense, for an offensive they need much more, first of all military equipment, it is not a fact that they are already ready in this regard now, especially if these 18 - 25 armies are already successfully rushing to the front even at the stage of defense, it is not a fact that even if the ukrainian offensive stops in the near future, it is not a fact that the russians, purely physically, will be able to move there in the near future massive offensive, in other sections, as in the same kupin and limansky directions, we saw offensive demands

of the russians, there, in general, they have a rather large grouping in the summensko-emblem direction, more than 100,000 tanks, and so on, we did not see any large the success of the russian offensive, that is, in terms of the prospects of the russian offensive, their chances are not particularly great, but the problem for ukraine is that it is now counting on the success of its own offensive, so let's see when it it will end, exactly how it will end, what will be the achievements, even without the russians immediately going on the offensive, if, for example, there are no significant results. in other words, the end of our offensive momentum does not mean that the russians have the strength and equipment , well, i don't know, it is about personnel and additional mechanized units, thanks to which they could, for example, open a new additional section of the front. in general, we can see that the lemano-kupyan axis that they wanted to form is like this in principle

rested, but maybe they would start trying to roll out additional sections of the front, vopros где измени, сейчас в принципе. in the south, the russians are now conducting a strategic defense, they are also defending in the bakhmot direction, they are attempting offensive actions in the kupyansk area so far without much success, so if they go somewhere to conduct offensive actions, it will be on one, on one of the active sections of the front , expect that they will open some new direction, for example, through the dnieper or through belarus, this is extreme unlikely, because in principle it is not very profitable from all sides in terms of logistics in the first place, so if they enter somewhere, then the simplest thing will be to increase offensive demands where they are already being conducted, that is, in the northeast, kupana, lyman direction. and let's see, first of all, how this phase of the war will end, after all, we still don't know how the ukrainian command wants to use these 10 brigades, which are now

preparing, perhaps they will want to abandon, let's say, a permanent offensive, if the ukrainian the command decides not to stop its offensive in the winter, then the russians will still not be up to their offensive, if ukraine continues their offensive, then the russians will automatically be forced there, there simply will not be enough strength for some other area, for their own offensive, everything will stop in the results, in the desire of the ukrainian command, depending on these results, to continue or not to continue its offensive operation after the autumn breakup, perhaps even during it, well , it is clear that it will be even slower than now, if they want, if we talk about... mechanized formations or mechanized units, in particular, well, we are talking about leopards and american abrams,

we understand that there is a front line, it is mined, on the other hand, we understand that guns and our fighters work extremely successfully, i don’t know if it’s interesting or not , just this war once again shows that in this case it is not so much quality as quantity, the main benefit of the same leopard offspring when not... not in some quality as far as they specifically shoot there and what there are millimeters of armor penetration and so on, the main thing is the quantity, even if it is a little worse than a tank, but even if it were more, this war will swallow up another and not the same amount, in principle, even the same leopards, we have already seen them, they are also like any other tank, they also fight , they also say that there is no such thing as a miracle of tanks and the challengers, everything else will be the same, it all depends on the quantity, not the quality, purely here , again

, not in a purely military political situation. the united states, in contrast to europe, which really does not have that many weapons left, the united states could, if it wanted, take out of its pocket not 30 but 300 russian soldiers, and ukraine would find for them tankers and mechanics, etc., but the united states does not want to, they stick to . that is why, in principle, the problem is even, in principle, there are two combined problems, one of them, which is understandable, is that in the conditions of the southern front, as they are, it is difficult to use large mechanized forces, but the very fact that there are not many tanks makes it and it saves more, if there were more of them, then perhaps the ukrainian team would once again think about the possibility of some major breakthrough, but it is clear that there are several aspects that are acting simultaneously on all... this aspect of the totality was decided in mainly to act in small infantry groups, armored vehicles mainly support them, but here and there we see

a message that where it is possible, even if small units still use armored vehicles, we will see if it will really be possible to break through these lines of defense, to get out more or less on operational space, if it is possible at all in the conditions of such slow progress, we will see, but in any case, in general and in general, it is necessary to emphasize once again, dear david, at one time you said without a doubt the prophetic phrase yes, the russians did not prepare and they did not expect such a war, no one certainly did, in particular, it is about the situation in the sky , so we understand that the russians prevail, but despite this, our counteroffensive is developing, on the other hand, drones, unmanned, lethal, including naval ones, even drones, they they begin to play daedalus. a greater role, on the other hand, we understand that they are increasing the production of drones, i think they have already

established the production of iranian products and not only iranian products, if we are talking specifically about drones, then in general, if ukraine had an advantage at the beginning of the war, the russians lacked a drone first of all, again in the quantitative aspect, because in principle , they had individual copies almost along the entire line. they had everything they needed, but it was trivially little, it was not enough for such a big war, so they they urgently turned to iran, already a few months after the start of the war, iran partially closed it as much as possible , of course, but it closed the bottlenecks for the russians in this area, and then over the past time russia has so developed the entire area, drones of all types, that now she has already , in principle, bypassed ukraine at the turn, this whole topic russia has already moved forward now, if

ukraine does not encourage its opportunities on its part. of such purchases and other things, in general this, as it is, it is now a trend of drone war for ukraine unfavorable, joint production in poland, in principle, in ukraine itself, if desired , even underground production could be created in a year and a half, it is quite possible, this is also done, for obvious reasons, it does not get into the open press, because immediately after this, the russian gifts, therefore production. it is clear that what can be done, but if you look at purely objective indicators, how it looks at the front, russia has come forward, in your opinion, where would the new minister of defense umerov and the new the team of the ministry should make maximum efforts now, that is, in which areas of what is called the work of the ministry of defense, where should they speed up, in principle it is understood, they themselves

know everything very well, they have a list of tasks, but the ministry. defense, indeed his task is not to fight, but to produce everything for the army, logistics and planning, yes, yes, yes, everything that was called everything for the front, everything for victory, primarily military production, including in cooperation with allies, precisely because it is possible to transfer at least part of the production abroad, where it will not be attacked, this of course must be done, it is already being done in part, and even in part it has already been voiced in the press, as danylo said about the fact that at least... missile production of ukraine is conducted abroad, it is clear that what is possible is done far away, not everything gets into the press, but the fact itself, if there are still reasons, then, despite all the objective reasons, it means that it is necessary to strengthen even more, up to necessarily more intensive, let's say, production how rockets on the same mortars, that at the time it was not for nothing that the entire ukrainian army

was splashed on the internet with conversations about the fact that there was a huge shortage of mines. but recently we see a message that apparently they have taken up this topic more actively, it seems that there have been more of them, but in any case, i need to emphasize once again that mortars are not airplanes, not tanks, in principle, they are not difficult and strange to produce , why did such a topic arise at all, the shortage of mortars, it would seem that in the first hour it was possible to produce much more, it is clear that in principle everyone knows the list of tasks, the simplest thing that remains is just to take it and do it, it is clear that it is easy to say. but in principle, if it is not activated, then no excuses will help, that it was difficult , that they could not, that they did not manage, if ukraine loses because of this, then nobody will be interested in these excuses and explanations, finally, david, do you see any prospect that russia may raise the level of escalation in one way or another, in particular perhaps the use of

ballistic missiles, in principle ballistic missiles are already in use. iskanders, they exist both in the form of cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, now, in principle, this topic started an hour ago, now it has received a second wind, regarding the fact that, in addition to the shaheds, russia may also purchase medium- range ballistic missiles from iran, perhaps patah 110 or zulfikar, an hour ago this topic was actively discussed, then , apparently, for one reason or another , iran still failed to get it, but in the next another restriction imposed on iran in terms of trade in missile weapons is ending this month, on this topic it is quite possible to expect that perhaps in the near future we will once again hear news about iranian hockey for russia, if indeed it will be, then it is unlikely that there will be separate instances , if there are already deliveries, most likely it will be at least dozens, not

hundreds. iran has advanced very far since the 1980s in this field of ballistic missiles, as well as in the field of drones, in particular because they have big problems with pilots, that is why they invested in other air areas, such as ballistic missiles and drones, if they also start to transfer this to russia, of course, the situation of the ukrainian air defense, the ukrainian rear will become even worse, until we get to this, well, thank you , david for this extremely interesting and honest conversation, i want to remind our viewers what is currently on the air. david handelman, an israeli military expert, worked for them. the time of our program has run out, stay with the espresso tv channel. my colleagues will analyze the most important events of the day. take care of yourself and your loved ones, see you on the air. i

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