[000:00:00;00] something else, well, then russia as such will not exist, well, there will be a moscow region, there will be a moscow region that does not have access to the baltic-black sea region, so to integrate it, well, just someone, someone will be, i am not going to insist so that, let's say, the leningrad region was there, well, in this form, or in another, we will close it, no, we can talk about the fact that let's close the war in europe, then, but for what? well, look, since we already started talking about belarus, you started talking about belarus, say whatever please, in your opinion, on whom or what can the future of belarus depend on, the future of belarus, you know, just like the death of koshchiev in an egg, so the future of belarus and the scenario of the development of the situation objectively depends on the situation in russia, as long as russia is in

power putin, there will be a pro-russian president in power in belarus, if it is not lukashenko, then it will be lukashenko 2.0 rus, because the next person to replace him will be the same, pro-russian, even stronger, because he will not have experience of political lukashenka, but it will be exactly like that to depend heavily on russia, there is no doubt. we can, we, at the moment, must realize that there is a triangle, official kyiv, official minsk and belarusian democratic forces, and official kyiv must build relations with democratic forces, various ways, in different ways, to seek contacts, it is absolutely correct that we are now supported by the kalinovsky regiment, good, but this is not the only vector, you understand, cultural contacts, attempts

to broadcast, ukrainian experience, attempts to find effective interaction, this is all very very necessary i think that we must realize that for ukraine lukashenko has left the political map, he is gone, and we must clearly say this, including to our partners in the belarusian democratic forces, and not just say, but keep our word, and then move accordingly. that is, it also depends on us. of course, well , it depends on us in the context of the consequences of the russian-ukrainian war, because the victory of ukraine in the russian-ukrainian war will essentially reduce moscow's ability to influence to the situation in belarus, that's understandable. now let's give you the last questions for today, i read the information that the kremlin announced a 30% increase

in defense. budget of the russian sub-federation, this was reported by the british intelligence with reference to its own sources, and that the kremlin is already preparing for a multi-year war, mr. yevhen, here is one question that worries me, and why moscow can still spend so much money on the war, because it has quite significant gold reserves, because a significant part of russian i would say more than 80% live according to the principle of not living well and starting nothing, because for them the idea of ​​war , as in every authoritarian society , is quite widely inserted into the public discourse, because they believe that they are the heirs of the russian empire, the soviet union and can tighten the belts , but until

the world community pulls the jasper around the necks of putin and his henchmen, let them tighten the belts. well, the world community is making some efforts, it is trying to do something, it is delaying, in your opinion, this is just some kind of show off, this delaying of these, zashmorgs, or not, or do they still want to tighten these zashmorgs, it just doesn't work out? i think this is the inertia of thinking, at the moment, because russia has proven for more than 30 years that it is a predictable, good, high-quality and so on state, in fact it is a bluff state, a garbage state, an understate, and it should be treated accordingly, but in under conditions where certain, well, i would say standards and stereotypes of western thinking work, it is impossible to rebuild in this way. well, let 's be honest, not all citizens in ukraine realized that there was a war, they realized until 24

february 22, what we want. from people for whom their lives have, well, changed, perhaps in an increase in allowances, or in an increase in interest on accounts, there on loans, everything, but they do not have such personal tragedies, so what do we want from them, that they show their empathy to the extent that they told us that they simply hated russia more than ukrainians, no, hate russia and destroy russia, we must first of all. and so it will be. mr. eugene, i thank you very much for your participation in the world during the war. thank you very much for your as always professional answers and comments. it was. evgeny magda, director of the institute of world politics, spoke mostly about eastern european, eastern european policy that concerns ukraine. yes, now we have to go to a short commercial break,

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smart and caring people, in the evening on espresso, the program the world during the war returned to the espresso broadcast, before i introduce my next guest and start discussing other questions, i want to remind you that those who watch us on youtube, please don't forget put your preferences, if you like the program and comment what you think about what is happening now, in particular what we are discussing about these issues, and who is watching us: on youtube, questions for you, write answers in the comments, the result elections in slovakia, and such a pro-russian party came there, it shows the decrease of interest in ukraine, the strengthening of russia's influence and or your option, just write in the comments, i will read your thoughts after the program. so, my next guest is oleksandr kraev, an expert of the council of foreign affairs politicians ukrainian prism, sir. oleksandr, i congratulate you and glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes,

i congratulate you. mr. oleksandr, well, let's talk about the shutdown, about the american shutdown. as for me personally, you know, i am calling you in order to talk about everything in detail, because you know much more than i do, i read something, i know, but i want to ask you, from what i read, for example, about last year's shutdowns, there were several past years, there was excitement, there was some unrest, and what will happen, i remember, last year with you in they talked about it on the air, and last year you also said that they would sit down to the end , drag it out to the last, sit down at the end, come to an agreement, but this year i got the impression that, well, this year it looks somehow more serious, what do you say , this year is really more serious, and there are a lot of reasons for that, well, first of all, we see that we have formed, i wouldn’t even want to say the game, a group, a certain clique of trumpists who are trying to collapse the government, the work of the parliament, only with for one simple

reason: their leader, their idol is being tried to pursue, and we see that, unfortunately, they are succeeding so far, because just last year, before the election, when they still managed to avoid the same shutdown adequate, and before the election, we didn't have kevin mccarthy, we didn't have speaker, who is completely controlled by the trumpists, we have not yet had such a difficult situation with internal fragmentation in both parties, which appeared just before the election, that is, a lot coincided. factors that enabled this active, aggressive anti-ukrainian minority to impose in a certain way, their opinion and to coordinate the work of the american parliament, and that is why we now have such a situation, from which, as we can see , both the democrats and an adequate part of the republicans and the white house had to come out with certain concessions, with certain agreements with these anti-ukrainian radicals, well look, they have a temporary budget now, they agreed in 45, well, not 45 days, less than 40. two days, probably 42 days, they will

face this problem again, the question of the budget of the united states of america for next year, that your vision, father, what, what can happen during this time? in fact, now from the information that we have, they managed to agree, that is, the white house and an adequate part of the congress managed to agree with the republicans who were against this budget, that in this interim budget, aid to ukraine of 6 billion is deleted in exchange for that they will vote almost unchanged for the aid that will be in the main budget, that is, conditionally they exchanged our larger budget in return for concessions to the trumpists, and what the situation will be in the future, in principle, for those congressmen who joined the trumpists, for those who doubted that aid to ukraine should be increased or given in the interim budget, well, their requests were fulfilled, there is no such aid in the interim budget, it was moved from the military budget to a separate bill. and accordingly nothing will prevent them from voting adequately for

a full budget for the 24th year. if we talk about the trumpists, yes, they will argue, they will try to control this vote, they will try to break the cards and break this whole situation for everyone others, but they will no longer have the support of the half of the party, the half of the house of representatives that was there before, that is, they managed to come to an agreement with an adequate part of the opposition, the inadequate part will simply not have enough votes, unfortunately, they still have the opportunity to put pressure on the speaker, on kevin mccarthy, because in fact he owes his position to them, and he depends on their votes, but now they have much less leverage for pressure, that is, this agreement that congress and the white house entered into with the opposition, in principle, it does not give trumpists trumpists have a normal chance to continue this resistance in the future, they simply won't have support, look, i can't understand the position of this... pro-trump minority, which is pushing, which we can now

say, is conducting this entire budget adoption orchestra, please tell me, but what, well, what was the reason to argue about transferring aid to ukraine from the country's budget to a separate article, what does it change, anyway , then there will be aid to ukraine, of course it will, but you understand, at this stage the trumpists need to show their strength, that is, there are a lot of them less. than conservatives in the republican party, compared to the entire number of congressmen in the us parliament, they are generally tiny, they are very few, but they need to show their strength, they need to... show that they can still influence politics, they need to show that they can defend trump's ideas, that they can defend trump himself, and that they can provoke a shutdown, they can provoke a shutdown of all government work, and why should they , well, first of all, in this way they can attract donors to their side, they

can show what they can still do invest, because they actually influence politics, they can attract voters to their side, because they can allegedly push through some decisions, they can... again, influence congress, for them it is absolutely a political game, it's just that ukraine has become one of those tools that they were able to use, because it must be said right here and there that there were other issues besides ukraine, there was the issue of the legalization of abortions and the allocation of money from the military budget so that it was included in the medical insurance of military personnel. there was a question about redirecting money to the southern border and protecting the southern border, and by the way, this was their main argument, why we have some ukraine 500 miles away, and at the same time we cannot hold our own border, that is, the trumpists singled out a whole series of such tools , with which they can put pressure on the parliament, and for them this is a purely political story, it is not a question of ideology or a question of any specific goals, they had to show strength, it seems to me even that this is not just pressure on the parliament, but some kind of

blackmailing the parliament from what comes out like this, in fact it is, it is straightforward and very rude, i would say blackmail. that we are ready to destroy the system of government just so that you listen to us, well, it's strange, of course, but let's now say a word about the land list, it ends today, i wanted to say the expiration date, not the expiration date, well, the expiration date, let's say, the names , this is the expiration date, please tell me what will happen next, what can happen, because in lenviz he, you once told me that this is such a stick of bailout for trump, sorry, not for trump, but for joe biden, in case he does not approve. congress, aid to ukraine, he did not use it at all during all this time, now it will not be, well, in fact, right now there is no need for it, well, because we are already fighting for the budget, that is, to begin with, we need to the budget, which, if anything, can be used by this lendlease, well, and a plus, you see, you and i have laid out how

this political weighing, political bargaining is happening in america now, and at this moment to throw in another idea, let's go... ... we will sign a lendlease in ukraine, well it means putting our budget under attack, it means starting again these long negotiations with the trumpists, which may not end in anything good, so for now the democrats and the majority of the republican party, they decided to postpone this issue, just first pass the budget, first carry out the main procedures, and then take up the matter of lendlease, that is, in fact, it is the most interesting thing, there are no such strong contradictions, but it is clear to everyone that the trumpists do not need real contradictions in order to create a problem out of something, and therefore so far, the congressmen simply do not risk this bill, so as not to lose it before time, well, i understood, this lendlis can become such a red rag before the eyes of the trump majority, and therefore it is better not to wave it now, i will cut you well,

i will see you well got it, look in one, all in one of your telegram posts, you voiced this... opinion, well, quite recently , trump wants to become a dictator, what did you mean? he, he was driven into a corner, and that's why he starts to defend himself, for him defense is escalation, it's political escalation, well, remember trump in the 21st year, when the storming of the capitol took place on january 6 , now the details of his communication with security, his communication with advisers, he wanted to introduce martial law, he wanted to bring the troops to the street to deter people, he wanted to declare a presidential republic, he wanted to give himself full powers of the judiciary, he wanted to disperse the supreme court, as he said, anti-present, anti-trump structure, and then he saw that there were about 10-15, unfortunately, almost 25 % nuclear

of the trump electorate, who will be ready to support him and come out with guns in their hands, to defend him, and he goes back to those theses, he recently said that because mark milli was negotiating with china... the time of his this big protest, his would have to be executed, and he said that he had signed such a decree for the execution of mark milley. he also said that, in principle , the state does not need any independent press, continuing his thesis that all information, all news can be taken directly from the president, well you do you remember how many tweets he made, how many speeches, that is, trump actually suffers from these dictatorial diseases, he suffers from the desire to be like putin, no matter how strange it sounds, well, because in his eyes, in the eyes of a political amateur, dictatorship is the simplest system, you alone decide, you order everyone, you are so cool, good, and no one can condemn you, and trump would prefer to see such a united states. under his leadership, he would prefer to work in such an almost putin system, because it is very simple for him. but is it possible

given such a serious system of checks and balances in american law? impossible in fact, in fact the system has done everything in its power to contain trump. that is, no one forbids him to dream, no one can cancel what he can think about any system, about any dictatorship, but we have the ministry of defense, we have intelligence services, after all, we have the congress and the supreme the court, they really have all the years of trump's presidency and right now they are holding him back and holding him back accomplices from actually implementing such a system terribly, but still, these trends themselves, that we still have a few percent of people in american society who consider trump the savior of the motherland, who consider his truth in the last instance, well, that's all- still the problem is, we still have to understand that trump created this cult of personality and he created a time bomb... for american society. let's close the topic of trump now, i just remembered that i read this morning that trump today according to american

time, east coast time of the united states of america, is due to appear before a judge in new york for one of the criminal cases brought against him. please tell me, he continues to use these criminal cases in full, he immediately stated that i will, because i... to be there, to prove that i am not guilty, he continues to use it as some kind of i don't know, circus for himself, for his benefit, he tries, and what is interesting, we see that just a few days after his case, his rating is increasing a little, he still creates this image of a political martyr, he creates an image of himself suffering for the truth , but in a strategic perspective, this harms him, after all, the courts are not held for nothing, this is not a showy, inconspicuous court. in fact, pre-trial investigations have been going on for more than a year, evidence is being collected, there was work by special commissions, congress to

determine his guilt, there was work with witnesses, with everyone else, and in fact, each subsequent case adds less and less to him bonuses, and on the contrary, his anti-rating against this background grows simply in geometric progression , that is, we know that more than half of his support will fall away from him as soon as he is handed the first sentence, well, the first sentence in political... cases, so in fact , temporarily, yes, he has some informational success, but on the strategic level, well, these cases will eventually bury him politically, if you say, look, i was already thinking of finishing with trump, but you said an interesting idea, more than half of the people will fall away , who support him, if more than half of the people who support him fall away, the republican party must understand that this person should not be nominated as the only candidate from god's own party in the presidential elections. and they understand it, they understand it perfectly, but they do not have the final responsibility for it, after all, the decision about who

the party will nominate will be made by ordinary voters, not even by the electoral college, it will be made during the primaries, and other candidates in the republican party, that's how the previous debates showed this, they finally got the courage to speak out against trump, they can finally officially declare that he is toxic, he is not useful for the party, he is dangerous for the party, and yet it all has to be decided by the ordinary a republican voter, and this is a big problem for the party , because it is easy to convince the establishment, these people understand what is happening, but whether they will be able to convince ordinary americans in time, that is the main mystery, well, let's see, that's for sure we finish with trump, although it is always interesting to talk about him with you, look, today the ministers of foreign affairs of the member states of the european union came to kyiv. it is obvious that on the one hand, it is important for us, it is demonstrably important, but what could

be the practical consequences of this meeting in kyiv, in ukraine? well, first of all, let's not forget, we still have the issue with the grain, the issue with the poles, with the slovaks, with the romanians, with the hungarians, and the fact that they meet here simply means that they take rather our side in this conflict. because at least the european commission is pushing its members, pushing the ministers of foreign affairs to the point that we have to look at it from the ukrainian point of view. eh, that's why we can hope that the question of the grain, inland grain corridor will be one of the key ones, and it is here that we will be able to see some progress in solving it, some progress, at least in the fact that we will agree on which moment these countries will keep their bans there, so that later restore transit, this is the first thing, and secondly, this is a very indicative aspect, because it was planned to at least set deadlines by the end of the year, when the negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu begin, that is, when we will finally start

to fully use our candidacy, and therefore the fact that this is happening in kyiv, from the point of view of classical diplomacy, it can be perceived as a very positive signal , that is, it will not just happen somewhere from brussels , they will tell us, but you have not finished, you have not finished, everything will be bad for you, right in kyiv we will analyze the plan, how will it happen when in what terms and under what conditions, that is, the choice of kyiv as the place to hold this meeting now, this is a very good indicator for ukraine that there are, well, european structures ready to take our side and push their participants, members of the association, who are against ukraine in certain aspects, lead to pro-ukrainian decisions. it's interesting, well, well, we'll keep an eye on how it all ends today , well, obviously, the results will be at least after lunch, although it's already after lunch, but i haven't seen the results yet. let's let's listen to one short direct speech by the prime minister of estonia, ka'i kalas, about what she said last week in tallinn, then

two questions. we all want this war. ended, but it must end in such a way as to break the historical cycle of russian violence. any indecision fuels putin's imperial ambitions, and the longer we wait and hesitate, the higher the price of war will be. president of ukraine zelensky very precisely put everything in its place. if our partners don't help us, they will defeat russia. everything is simple here. to break the historical cycle of russian violence, this is understood. in poland, they understand it in the baltic countries, they don't really understand it, lately, in particular there further west, in your opinion, can the civilized world, taking into account such bad attitudes that are growing, break this cycle, i really like it i hope that at least a few important narratives point us to this, well, first of all, the main

ukrainian skepticism, the main anti-ukrainian theses are heard in the countries that are holding elections, that is, they are not a certain narrative, they are part of the pre-election cycle, they are part of pre-election politics , which we could not simply avoid, and you and i knew, we were preparing for it, we understood that such statements would be, would be so aggressive in for some reason, ukrainian-skeptic anti-ukrainian rhetoric, and we could not get away from this, because this is part of the democratic processes of these states, in other states, which have a more or less stable political situation for the next year and a half, we see a completely different picture, we see that the french are much more decisively ready to help us, the last visit of the minister of defense showed this perfectly, we see that in germany the whole of germany has already rallied against olaf scholz, trying to convince him to supply ukraine more and finally give ukraine taurus, that is, we see that on the strategic, on at the interstate level, the course taken is very correct, yes, we have those who

doubt, we have those countries that, well, are still experiencing misunderstanding of the country, not understanding the consequences of this war, but the vast majority of them are already recovering from this of skepticism, and the main problems come from those countries where we have elections, well, these countries, they are fluid, these these problems, or rather, they are fluid, that is, as soon as the elections in the same conditional poland are over, believe me, the negotiations will be down to the grain much more constructive, well, i really hope for that, mr. oleksandr , as always, thank you very much for participating in the world during the war program, oleksandr krayev, expert of the ukrainian foreign policy council , we talked with him more about western issues. well, that's all i'll sum up, today's program, i really hope that you answered the question that i asked you at the beginning of the program in the comments on youtube, the results of the elections in slovakia indicate a decrease in interest in ukraine, increasing influence of russia, is your option, your answers,

if any, i'll read it right after i finish this program, so what. with this , i will finish today 's program due to lack of time, we will meet as usual next monday, there will be new guests, there will be new topics, but it will be interesting as always, see you soon. greetings to all viewers of espresso, anna yevamelnik is with you and it's time to learn about the most important events at the moment. the russians continue to terrorize the kharkiv region. the enemy massively shelled the village of guriev-cossack with artillery. at least 18 strikes were recorded, noted the regional military administration. as a result of the hit, a private house was destroyed, farm buildings were damaged , there were no dead or injured. russian troops

rotated in the temporarily occupied luhansk