it's a comfortable synoptic day. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. today in the program: american aid is under threat, the us approved a temporary budget without money for ukraine, will the support continue, the eu is getting closer, the heads of foreign affairs of the european union for the first time in history gathered outside the union in kyiv, will this accelerate ukraine's accession to the eu? ukrainian combat against russian missiles was suspended due to a successful drone attack in smolensk x-59 production. the world is tired of war, is it really so, or is it just another myth that spreads.

russian propaganda , we will talk about this and other things for the next hour. our guests will be diplomats, politicians, roman bezsmertnyi and ihor lapin, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war with special forces. however, before we start our conversation , let's look at the attack on the smolensk avizavod by drones, as a result of the strike , the process of manufacturing kh-59 missiles of various modifications of those missiles with which the russians fire at civilian objects in ukraine was disrupted. let's look

it seems to have hit, i will remind you once more. that it was an attack by drones on the smolensk avizavod. friends, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, we offer you to take part in our survey, today we ask you about the following: are you satisfied with the way the ukrainian authorities fight corruption? well, it seems like a rhetorical question, and yet we measure how our audience reacts to how the government fights corruption. so, are you satisfied, yes, no.

please vote in our youtube poll. eh, roman should join us bessmertnyy, a politician and diplomat, the former ambassador of ukraine to belarus, we are waiting for the inclusion, and today a meeting was held in kyiv, of the heads of foreign affairs of the countries participating in the european union, 27 countries, 27 positions and 27 representatives of the great european union, what is actually known about this meeting? that borel, josep borel, the supreme, high representative of the european union for foreign affairs and security policy, said that the future of ukraine in the european union, the future of ukraine in the eu, the head of the german foreign ministry, anna lena berbock, also said in our community of freedom, - says burbok, and soon it will expand from lisbon to luhansk. with

each village, with each subway that ukraine vacates, it expands its path to the european union. the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, was also satisfied with the results of the meeting in kyiv, who after the meeting said that the european union had reached a consensus regarding ukraine's membership in the european union. what is true is that it is not yet clear in what terms ukraine will join the european union and how we will quickly go through all the stages of harmonizing our positions with the countries of the european union, and yet this is a rather serious statement from kuleba that a consensus on ukraine's membership in the eu has already been reached, and we have a politician, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine in contact in the republic of belarus, roman bezsmertny, mr. roman, i congratulate you, it's a pleasure to see you on our air, good evening pa'. mr. roman, today in

ukraine, quite so large and powerful, its landing force has landed, representatives of 27 members of the european union, and besides, of course, the symbolic nature of this meeting, to support ukraine in this difficult time, obviously we should talk about ukraine's prospects for joining the european union, last week the representative of the european union in ukraine, the ambassador, she said that this could last until 2030, denys shmyhal, prime minister the prime minister of ukraine, said that for this ukraine will need. that is, two years, a maximum of two years, are you an optimist or a realist, i.e. how long will ukraine need to join the eu? i think i am convinced of because the speed of accession largely

depends not so much on the situation in which ukraine is located, but on how relations in the euro-atlantic direction will develop, and in general relations in the world. from my point of view, conversations about the speed of entry and especially conversations about delaying there for a certain time, well, they are absolutely tactical in nature, and are aimed at either stimulating in this way changes, reforms, some specific events, or at. .. on the contrary , to influence some, say, current moments, and from my point of view, i don't see any big problems on the path of ukraine's accession to the european union, regardless of the statements of the hungarian prime minister or the results

of the elections in slovakia, there is a very encouraging, let's say, ah, situation, and it is also explained by the fact that the aid mechanism ukraine from the european union, the question of membership, it is very important and very necessary, because it will allow, well, let's say this, to rationally use the resources that will come from the european union to ukraine, and as we see now, the vector in connection with the political by conjuncture, precisely by the electoral cycle , he is more and more inclined towards increasing cooperation between ukraine and the european union, well, this includes , let's say, the landing party, the huge french landing party of the defense-industrial complex, and the current ministerial landing party, and so on, all these are things that indicate that

the european union will increase the volume of interaction between ukraine and ukraine, including financing, business, things and so on, so especially the events of the last two months there, they testify to the fact that not here one can simply be optimistic, and most likely the situation will develop much faster than we could have imagined back in the summer or spring of this year, the minister of foreign affairs of germany, anna lena berbock, said that there are several more measures on the way to yes, which it is necessary to fulfill or conditions, let's listen to what anna lena berbuk said. on ukraine's path to

the european union, many measures must be taken. in particular, these are things like legal changes in the judicial system, in the laws. but first of all, it is necessary to deal with the high level corruption we openly talk about this with our partners here in ukraine in order to pave the ukrainian path to the eu together. mr. roman, our western partners quite often talk about the high level of corruption in ukrainian society. but many eastern european countries joined the european union. union despite the fact that these countries themselves also, well, there was a lack of fight against corruption, but despite this they joined the european union, is there some kind of waterline below which the candidates, members of the european union,

they must fall, that is, how to determine whether our level of corruption is high or not high, where it was measured, i am convinced that the control here is...' the last sentence in the statement of the german minister, which reads as follows: and we must cooperate for to overcome these problems together. it is necessary to pay attention to this thing, if you look at the history of ukraine's accession to various world european organizations, such as the council of europe, the world trade organization and so on, then there is not only the path to accession, but also the accession itself was a mechanism that helped ukraine to solve problems, moreover, it was... a unique experience in world history, when a country that joined the council of europe

was subject to monitoring, usually it was done as, first monitoring, solving problems, then joining, so here too, ah, well, let's say, there they see a beautiful problem, they understand the problem in the european union and so on, and in fact, recent events show that they have a mechanism to influence... on the fact that it is evil was overcome with the help of the european community, the mechanisms of the european union, therefore, i do not see a contradiction between the position of the heads of the european community and the position of representatives of national governments in this case, that is, they are talking about one thing, there are problems, this problem is also listed in the seven points that the ukrainian government says that they have all been overcome, and european ministers declare that there are certain problems,

well, from my point of view, and the vision of the current european community, based on the current situation in the eurasian space, in the euro-atlantic environment, from my point of view from the point of view here, most likely, a decision has been made, let's say, to give a positive response to the accession of... countries to the eu and then form a response to this evil with joint efforts. but mr. roman, both geographically and mentally, we are members of a large european family, and even more so, in the current conditions, in the conditions of the russian-ukrainian war, we are the eastern gate for europe in the face of the russian threat, that is, the arrival of 27 representatives and leaders. .. of the foreign affairs of the member states of the european union shows that

we are already there, although not legally, but we are already a member of this large family, could ukraine's entry or acceptance into the european union be as significant for russia as our move to nato, it is clear that we should come to the north atlantic alliance under different conditions, but for you... conditions that exist now, in your opinion, what is the most critical in our progress towards the european union, what is hindering us, that is, why can't these countries do much faster what we expect from them, and the first and most important thing is one must understand when to assess the current situation, the fact is that russia's aggression against ukraine.

she set a completely new agenda and she is leading the world to a new world order, from here neither, nor the eu, nor others, if you take other, continental, global organizations, and they do not know, they are forgiven for what i will say now, in which, in what situation they will find themselves in tomorrow, hence the difficulty of answering such questions, it grows tenfold, everyone can see perfectly that the russian-ukrainian war, it forms a new geopolitics and a new agenda, hence they do not dare to answer unequivocally, and here there is a problem, it is not whose side they are on, they are on the side of ukraine , they do not know what situation they themselves will find themselves in, from here...' oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh

oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh there, eastern european and central european states in the conditions of their accession, it is important, but the fact is that from the point of view of the current situation, well, the question is just as relevant, actually after the end of this war, where will the european union be, what will it be, and that is, and in general, how the situation may develop in the coming months, after all, these are all events... when rockets fall there on the territory of bulgaria, romania, and so on , they, the number of attacks on the polish border from the side of belarus is increasing, they show that in fact it is not only an economic union, a social,

there, communicative and so on, it may turn out that everyone will have to be in the same trench, hence this is a looming problem, because give, mr. serhiy, a year ago, or even there two years ago, well, it was scary for them, when ministers to fly to kyiv, today they flew to kyiv without looking for all the danger that exists, from here it must be understood that from my point of view it was right to depart, in principle, from the rules of the parameters that we have been talking about for many years in relation to the european union, membership in the european union, the mechanisms of joining the european union, the consequences of joining to the european union and so on, from here now you know, sometimes there is a situation when you just have to start writing from a clean sheet, and this situation very often ah, leads many and

representatives of national governments and the european union to a dead end, so let's say so , in' it is already obvious that we are talking about completely different mechanisms , about different speeds of ukraine's accession to the european union , the same applies to nato, pay attention to how the conceptual approach changes , the answers in general, from what is here tomorrow to what but not yet, and tomorrow will be different, so it is obvious that, let's say, this mechanism that hangs over everything, this damocles sword. what is called the new world order, it does not give rest to anyone, and the events in nagorno -karabakh, they generally stimulated this process, because eh, if the russian-ukrainian war, it forms the global order, then the situation there showed that now regional problems will be shifted, and it will now

go away, because well, this means that at all levels under...' processes, which until now, well, were considered dead , frozen there and so on, from my point of view the main factor, you mean abkhazia, and ossetia, and , transnistria, and georgia, and many, many things, about which, well, yesterday it was possible, let's say, well, scared to think about it and look with frightened eyes, today in kyiv, mr. roman, the head. foreign policy department josep borel of the european union stated that ukraine needs more military aid and promised constant support from the european union, let's listen to borel. our support for ukraine not only continues, but also grows. at least for now, the proposal on

the agenda shows that we want to keep increasing it. i hope that the member states will make this decision. along with forward planning until the end of the year, we will see what happens in the us, but for our part we will continue, support and increase our support. mr. roman, borel says that they will support ukraine, but at the same time we see how in europe the political map is changing in the countries that are part of the european union, this sunday there were elections in slovakia and the populist pro-moscow party smer, this is a slovenian, social the so-called social democracy, led by former prime minister robert fizo, won the parliamentary elections, fizo is known for having already been prime minister, and he resigned

after an investigative journalist, jan kuciak, was killed in 2018, who was investigating the history of... the mafia that was in the territory of slovakia, but in this situation, uh, fico always appeared as a person who spoke on the side of the pro-moscow forces, on the side of moscow, they always said that there is nothing to help ukraine there, we have enough of our own problems, and we will solve our problems first, and then the problems of ukraine, taking into account the fact that similar elections and similar victories are possible in other countries during the next year, european countries, will this not change the attitude of the european union as a whole towards ukraine? first, and in borel's statement, the key phrase: let's see what will happen in the united states, it is very

important to grasp this part of his statement. the second, of course, is that slovakia is an important component of the european club, but it is far from decisive and not key, including together with hungary. including some politicians in croatia, some politicians in bulgaria, some politicians in romania, and so on, in this case the most we must be wary of the situation in two states , france and germany, in germany there is clearly an alternative for germany, and france is lippen, and we must understand what is necessary when we give an answer, and what about europe. then first of all we need to look at paris and berlin, so if the situation in paris and berlin will be the same as it is now in slovakia and hungary, well, mr.

serhiy, you will form an answer to the question without me, it means that the war in ukraine will very quickly will turn into a general european war, and from this a step to a global one, global conflict, it's literally... a matter of months, and this must be understood, and it's time to say absolutely clearly that this populism, and which one is lived by the thief orbán, and the extreme left populist fitze, this whole lipen team in france, is the very right-wing radical alternative for germany is all dynamite that will explode. not under national governments, this is dynamite that will blow up europe, and this was noticed very quickly in london, and in fact, this was what

motivated brexit in the first place for people in the know, in fact, the moscow führers he hopes, and he endures the pause, and he drags out the situation, because he is waiting for the orbans, fitzol, pens, alternatives to leave... europe, and you and i here with our advice will absolutely not help, neither the fooled slovak, nor the powdered miskas a german, the same french, etc., this means that europe will fly into a catastrophe, another catastrophe, then it will be possible to talk about the fact that once in a century and so on, this is not what we are talking about now, while there is an opportunity to save it. this should be done in this case as well, including the snitches on orban on the fizo, on

there is an alternative, for july, in europe, and they need to start doing it very seriously, otherwise , it will be impossible to avoid the scenario i am talking about, this is the first and second, in such a case, this particular expedition... which is currently taking place until of ukraine on the part of the european union, it is evidence of what they can do to help you to put an end to this as soon as possible, because they understand the danger that we are talking about now, it is clear from this that this electoral cycle, what is the name of the whole chain, this whole situation, he carries a very serious danger, but this danger, it is much greater for the world than it is assessed as some kind of incident here or there in the national apartments, everything is dangerous enough and everything is enough

for today to go to kyiv, join forces, help ukraine, but is this enough , well, you and i have already given an answer on this topic a long time ago, there should be a joint army, there should be a joint command. then the führer of moskovsky must be executed as soon as possible, a serious trial must be held over all this criminal regime in moscow, and then all these fice, orbans, lipenshis, alternatives, unfortunately i forgot their leader there, they will crawl into the holes, no, if this does not happen, then we should be afraid of europeans, you have already mentioned, or rather, josep borel mentioned what is happening in the united states of america, this is also a marker for what will happen in ukraine. the united states congress approved temporary

funding. of public spending, which is calculated for 45 days, and expenses will be seriously reduced, thus there will be no funds for defense assistance to ukraine sent in the near future, we are talking about 300 million dollars, at the same time, biden offers the democrats to conclude a new agreement with the republicans on aid to ukraine, and on october 1, during a press conference in the white house, answering questions from journalists, he said: i can absolutely assure them , look at me , we're going to do it, i can't believe that those who voted overwhelmingly to support ukraine in the house and senate, democrats and republicans, did it for purely political reasons and will allow even more people die senselessly in ukraine, by the way republican senator lynsey graham on the air.

cbs news warned against making the same mistake the united states made when withdrawing troops from afghanistan. we will also hear from graham. the biggest mistake we made during the war on terror was withdrawing troops from afghanistan. if we stop providing aid to ukraine, it will be ten times worse than in afghanistan. here is taiwan. stopping funding to ukraine is a death sentence for putin to continue to move forward. republicans who say that ukraine is not important for us. you are wrong. war is getting bigger, not smaller. here is taiwan, if ukraine can defeat russia, china will have less chance to invade taiwan and putin will be stopped. mr. roman, it is clear that the pre-election, presidential campaign is starting in the united states of america, obviously, obviously, it will have an impact

, including on... the military aid of the united states of america to ukraine, how would you characterize the point at which now we are we with this decision of the us congress and the comments of biden and graham? well, the fact is that always in the united states of america elections are a certain brownian movement in all directions. and if we add here the fact that, well, the action is already over. the law on lendlease, by the way, it never came into force, this is a strange thing in the history of the united states of america, the law was adopted, but it was never put into effect. actually, this is a plus of what we are talking about, it shows that so far in the united states of america, so

to objectively evaluate this situation, with the war, unfortunately, a small number of politicians, not society, politicians, are not able, and they are not actually able to understand what we talked about in the first part with you, that the russian aggression against ukraine and the struggle of ukrainians against the onslaught of this moscow horde is actually today's mechanism , unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, it is today's mechanism for the formation of a new world order and it is not about ukrainians defending themselves, yes, they are defending themselves , but they protect europe, they stand for democracy, they stand for the civilization of the current humanity, and therefore the future, including the united states of america, depends on the outcome of how this war will end,

the fact that the united states of america cannot to form a goal, and why are they doing it, and actually it affects the results of aid, the progress of aid to ukraine, and even more so at the time of the elections, however, i still want to be somewhat optimistic here, to say that in the united states of america in fact, these are all mechanisms introduced... to congress. congress today has a strategic majority in answering this question. and as for the current tactics and the fear of kevin mccartney as speaker of the house of representatives and the fear of being kicked out as speaker of the house of representatives that led to this 45-day budget being passed, but from my point of view…. ..