[000:00:00;00] congratulations, colleagues, well, the issue is really becoming more and more urgent, because as they said today in the european parliament, there is nothing to help ukraine from january 1 and the closer to the end of the year, and the more urgent, if we are moving towards its solution, and now the european union is already approaching to the final decision , indeed, so we are talking about the revision of the seven-year budget of the european union, which they now want to increase, due to the fact that it was adopted back in 2020, this was before the full-scale invasion of russia and even before the corona pandemic. virus and now member states should actually increase their contributions to the budget, because the reserve funds from it are already running out, although they were calculated until 2027, and in the updated budget, the amount of regular aid to ukraine is 50 billion euros, and it is calculated for four years, that is, it money to support the liquidity of the budget, pensions, salaries, various kinds of social payments to civil servants, as well as to support reforms, and actually, if you divide

this... amount by four, it turns out to be 12.5 billion per year, which is somewhat less than now kyiv receives, this year the european union, let me remind you, sends regular monthly tranches of 15 billion euros, i.e. 18 billion per year in total , but at least it will be such a stable aid, and the proposal to revise this seven-year budget was made by the european commission back in the summer, and even after that the countries agreed on a number of issues, because the actual language is not only about an increase by the amount related to aid to ukraine, and other items of expenditure have been increased, the budget should increase by 66 billion euros in general, and for example, germany did not like the clause on expanding funding for the european commission itself, but now these different points were agreed upon and the european parliament actually voted today for the approval of this updated budget. it is imperative that we reach an agreement as soon as possible so that from 1 january 2024

we can continue again. ukraine and solve other urgent tasks. we need as much progress as possible before the october meeting of the european council so that we can have an agreement soon after it. approval by the european council, this will be the final, but really such a difficult stage, that is, the consent of all the member states of the european union is required there, and for example, hungarian prime minister viktor orbán previously put forward various conditions for ukraine to fulfill the decision of the venice commission regarding the reforms of the education law, and kyiv then did it, one more demand from orbán this time, this time to brussels, is to unblock frozen funds from european funds. which are intended for hungary, the fact is that in december of that year, the european union blocked budapest's access to subsidies in the amount of 22 billion euros, and because of problems with the rule of law in the country, and after that hungary carried out certain reforms, and in brussels, now their evaluate and think about unlocking

some of this money. only a part, it is 13 billion, in exchange for hungary to vote for its own expansion of the multi -year budget of the european union and including aid to ukraine, at least about such agreements with reference to officials participating in these negotiations, the financial times newspaper now writes, and by the way, brussels will also monitor and take into account the political processes in ukraine, because these 50 billion macrofins will be tied to progress with reforms, which are completely different, which are needed for european integration, and the european commissioner for economy spoke about this earlier in july. we put an end to it. thank you for your trust and we will see you tomorrow on svoboda live. we hold on. antwerp miner on mego. in the matches against the belgian champion

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conversation, although not to the war that is going on now, to the war that it was, well, almost 100 years ago, somewhere around 80 years ago, i thought about the second world war, a civil war that left a lot of white spots, a lot of... unsolved questions, a lot of question marks that were never resolved into signs exclamation, unfortunately, today we will try to straighten such a question mark into a sign exclamation mark, and try to put another full stop. we are talking about a scandal that happened in canada, it is connected with a veteran of the sss halychyna division. we are talking about yaroslav hunka. on september 22, president volodymyr zelenskyi took part in the solemn session of the parliament in canada. during it, in particular, they applauded the hero who fought for the independence of ukraine from the russians. aggressors during the second world war. then the speaker of the parliament, anthony rota, introduced the 98-year-old woman you see on the screens now, yaroslav gunko, to the audience, or hunku i thanked him for his service and noted that he supports the ukrainian army even today. after that , the canadian center for israel and jewish affairs reported that hunka was

part of the 14th grenadier division of the sss halychyna. which was part of the waffen sss of nazi germany. the minister of education of poland , przemysław czarnyk, said that hunka should be extradited from canada. there is already a stake in this story, and canadian prime minister justin trudeau had to apologize for a mistake that deeply embarrassed the parliament and canada, and actually, we today let's talk about the roots of this proverb, and then, of course, the russians joined in and started spreading their delusions about the nazis in ukraine, about the nazis, well, in the pubs, of course, who live there outside the borders of ukraine, killing, well, let's say about their russian-filled such in a military formation like the roa, the russian liberation army , which, let's say, participated in the suppression of the warsaw uprising in the year 44, let me remind you that when the soviet troops were standing near warsaw, the warsaw uprising broke out, and then marshal rokossovsky wanted to help the poles to defeat the nazis in warsaw, but marshal zhukov did not allow it to be done, the actual warsaw uprising was suppressed, well, even then

the soviet troops covered everyone, but the question is that it was the russian liberation army that suppressed this uprising and killed the peaceful inhabitants of poland, but the russians want to mention this, but the sss galicia is carried like a rag in front of the bull, in front of the world public, and they talk about what you see, they are war criminals who allegedly took part in the extermination of jews and the killing of local residents, is this true or not , and what they say... historical references, and whether after the second sss war, galicia was really recognized as criminal, as a military group, a military formation that committed war crimes, were they punished, were they convicted, were they discussed at the nbera trial, we will talk about this with our guest tetyana shvydchenko, candidate of historical sciences, ms. tetyana, i congratulate you, good day, there are no simple stories in difficult historical times, and today we are in such difficult historical times. let's talk about the prerequisites of this conversation, i voiced what

happened in the parliament of canada, the resignation of the speaker, the apology of justin trudeau, and the main accusation, you see, gunka belonged to an organization before the formation of the military sss galicia, which division, which allegedly committed certain crimes. please tell us, from what we know, in those days, whether the activities of the sss of galicia were investigated, how they were interpreted after the war, whether it was for...' for their actions? of course, more than one study was conducted, several studies were conducted, this one is extremely, so to speak, actualized when it is profitable for the russians, and well, what we it is known and factually proven that the vafs halychyna division was never convicted, nor at the newbern trial.

nor by any other tribunal, there was a special british review, it also found no evidence, and the last large-scale investigation was conducted by the canadian state commission in the 1980s, it lasted more than five years, and in 1989, it was already stated that the evidence the fact that ukrainian divisional officers committed war crimes simply does not exist, they do not exist, and i would like to quote here roman danyliuk, a veteran divisional officer, who in in my... memoirs, i said that if we had committed even the smallest war crime , we would have been involved in the newbern trial, which condemned the fascist sss party as a criminal organization, here i will insert my remark that when this topic is manipulated, they often try to to take advantage of the fact that people confuse the parsi as a party and eh, sss as a purely military military , a military military organization, as an army, an army, so, not

a single divisional officer, quoting mr. roman, not a single divisional officer was arrested for actions against humanity and humanity, we did not fight against the united states of america, great britain, france, we fought against bolshevism, very carefully the immigration officials checked each one of us when we entered america, canada, england, australia and other countries, and we did not hide who we were, our divisions were very have shown themselves well in the acquired homeland, they actively cooperate in almost all ukrainian public institutions, i am not talking about myself, i have enough public duties for a dozen people, divisionalists continue to stand in the vanguard of the ukrainian community for almost throughout the world, now they seek to help build the ukrainian state, for which they shed their blood, he said this in 1993, confirming everything that has already been proven by various investigations, you know, that 's history, well, it's history... in principle,

unambiguously the interpretation of history can be hypocritical, i just thought of such a story, but when they said that the father was from the sss, they were talking about yaroslav hunka, allegedly, that there were jewish organizations, and russians, of course, but i remembered the story about the sturmbannfuhr of the rss, who joined the space programs, i already lost my mind, wernher von braun, yes, joined the us space program. it's just cynicism in the fact that when we need something and it's beneficial, we interpret it in the same way. when we do not need and it is not profitable, we interpret differently. i will remind you that sturman fürs werner von braun is, well, according to our interpretation, he is a sss major who had awards from hitler. he was involved in the creation, he was actually the creator, of the fa2 rocket. which actually killed londoners in london, because fa2 bombed london and wernher von braun directly was involved in the creation of weapons that killed civilians in

britain, primarily in london. when the war was over, well actually approaching its end, wernher von braun surrendered to the americans, who transported him to the usa, like many other scientists from the federal republic of germany, at that time from the third reich. and that's all, and he joined the apoleon mission, using, by the way, the works of a ukrainian scientist, a book, he was found in the library of congress, who calculated the trajectory of the flight to the moon, but the point is not that, i don't never heard anywhere in the united states of america they said: "you are an ss man who helped the americans reach the moon. an ss man carried out the apollo mission, well we forgot that he was an ss man, but he was an assault on bans. his fa2 missiles killed londoners, but this we forget, here we how do we raise such a flag from sss glachyna with yaroslav hunka and start to beat people's consciousness, and we will have a conversation later, after we say goodbye to mrs. tatyana, there will be a conversation with a diplomat who was at one time the ambassador of ukraine to the russian federation , kostyantyn hrychenko, we are with him

let's talk about the diplomatic aspect of this case, how ukrainians should act , i want to ask you, about what , please tell me, let's remember how this division was formed, what tasks faced it, how fighters were enrolled there and what kind of battles they fought ? well, actually the ukrainian division of galicia or the 14th grenadier division of the front-line troops of the sss galicia was a part of the waf forces of germany from 1943 to 1945. in general, it is also worth knowing that there were 42 divisions in the sss and 20 of them were volunteer and included various peoples of europe and estonians and albanians, latvians, that is, very, very many of them, and in particular russians as well, and precisely, about the creation, but i also emphasize that the ukrainian division of galicia, it was precisely a military, but not a punitive formation, about

its creation in april 43 of the year the german occupation authorities on the territory of eastern galicia, which was then a part of the german governor general, announced that the tragedy of the ukrainian people, which in the first world war was divided between... two empires, and in the second world war, found itself between two cruel totalitarian regimes. the division was part of the structure of the non-general sss, which participated in holocaust and other punitive operations in the occupied territories, and the so-called troops of the sss, i.e. vafs. and it was intended for combat operations at the front next to the wehrmacht. mostly ukrainians from the west of ukraine served there, and at that moment, when all this was taking shape, the situation was very unclear, absolutely, at that moment the opinions of the ukrainian opera movement were divided about whether ukrainians should join the ranks, these this of this division, or not, the revolutionary wing of the organization of ukrainian nationalists led by stepan bandera, was against the entry of ukrainians into the division, they were simultaneously engaged in the creation of the ukrainian insurgent

army, while the moderates, for example, the people of molnyakiv were neutral and believed that this could be a good opportunity for creation of a strong well-trained ukrainian army in the future, which can become the nucleus of the ukrainian army, and at the same time they were determined to negotiate with the allies of the anti-hitler coalition, there, for example, with the british, and at the same time, that is, the intentions of the ukrainians were quite clear, but the leadership of the third reich did not want to create a strong ukrainian army, out of 80,000 80 thousand volunteers selected about 13.5 and here, too, i would like to remind you about june 30, 1941, when the organization of ukrainian nationalists led by stepan bandera announced the act of restoring the ukrainian state in lviv, and the germans did not accept it, within a few days they arrested bandera and his associates and were sent to the sachsenhausen concentration camp, and on july 11, the activities of any

ukrainian organizations were banned, and in september, the nazis began mass arrests and mass shootings of ouniv residents, but here... it is also worth remembering that for ukrainians, the russian soviet occupation at the time course of the second world war, was not, well, not the right word, traumatic. most of ukraine, occupied by the russian bolsheviks, experienced the red terror at that time, when the russian civil war was going on in the peaceful cities of ukraine, after the first world war, and the red the bolsheviks against the white imperialists and both sides wanted to destroy ukraine, conquer, occupy and grab our territories. came at us with war, and then there was both white and red russian terror. there were also the occupation of ukrainian territories, the destruction of ukrainian statehood in the 21st year, the so-called shot dead revival , when the russians physically destroyed the world of the ukrainian intelligentsia, the holodomor, genocide in 32-33, the extermination of millions of ukrainians by hunger,

repression, executions, exile and under also a time of great terror, killing of leaders ukrainian resistance in emigration, let's not forget that in 1939, the west of ukraine was occupied by the soviets, and after all the horrors of this occupation, people were categorically determined not to allow a second invasion, and of course, most of the divisional officers who went voluntarily in these ranks, they were still students, they were young people, and at that time german propaganda and ukrainian leaders of the resistance movement were also operating in parallel, some of them were thinking how to use this moment, so the germans then gave the division a promise that they would fight it is only against the eastern front bolsheviks, this is the only major promise. which they adhered to then, and here too i would like to add a quote from one of the divisional officers and a ukrainian

historian, local historian vasyl veriga, but when he was asked whether you fought only on the eastern front, he said yes, it was stipulated that we could not throw on the western front not against the americans, the french or the british, the germans adhered to it, the truth was that there was a case when they sent one ukrainian battalion to france and at the first opportunity this battalion went over in its entirety. to the side the french, it was with us, it would have been the same with us, that's why we were kept on the eastern front, that's why it was our great, it was our great tragedy, ukrainians here and ukrainians on the other side too. one good man told me that after the battles for bansk bystrica, which the ukrainian military unit liberated from the soviet partisans, he observed the following picture: from one side, ukrainians in german uniforms entered the city, and from the other , ukrainians in soviet uniforms came out. that is the tragedy of the enslaved people, i want to believe that it is over and the horror will never be will repeat so, well, further, the division in

1944 fought under the fords. then they went into battle for the first time after training and were defeated against the experienced soviet red army , and in the battles under the fords, out of 11,000 ukrainian divisionalists, about 800 died, that is , the majority, and only 3,000 left the encirclement . most of those who survived . went to the ukrainian insurgent army and then they were transferred to yugoslavia to fight against the communist partisans, tito yosif bros tito and from the fall of 1944 to may of 1945 their units took part in hostilities in slovakia, slovenia and austria, that is , they were in absolutely no way involved in crimes against the civilian population, and they had no such motivation and no such facts that would prove it. by the way, i think that those people who take it upon themselves to accuse the sss

halychyna division of crimes against the civilian population, there against the jews, and so on, have hardly read the novel by ivan bagaryany , the circle of fire, he just describes this battle under the fords, well, i i think you must have read it, it is this novel, and these events are actually there this battle is described, and it ends with the fact that a fighter of the sss halychyna division took aim at the tanks, a girl, a tankman , from the soviet army, falls out of the tank, and they are looking at each other, well, there is such and such a scene, as if ukrainians were there too, there are also ukrainians, but they ended up on different sides, because some of them were forced, well, let's say, like my grandfather , great-grandfather, they just came to the village, took you and you went to the army, so, that is, no one asked you, on the other side there too you joined the army because you wanted to stop that darkness who came from the east, well, i think it is worth reminding how many ukrainians were destroyed, killed in lviv, in galicia, and in general in western ukraine, after... after the year 39, well, starting from the year 40,

before the arrival of the germans, and also how many ukrainians were resettled to siberia and other regions of the russian federation, so everything is clear here, in your opinion, as in the opinion of a historian, what should the ukrainian public, certain officials, from how should the ukrainian side have reacted to this scandal competently did not react to him, unfortunately, in any way, the president... they wrote, the president voiced it, well, this event was prepared, it happened, the president, well, i can’t criticize him for anything here, in fact, he acted as, as was planned as it was, programmed by this program of events in canada, but it seems to me that people, well, the president should not answer, he is not a professional historian and certainly should not answer these questions here, but the russians and other organizations there caused a certain scandal because of it, and again accused ukraine of something there, well, plus its speaker roth, who resigned , what should be the reaction, because if you as a historian advised the minister of foreign affairs, maybe

there in the presidential office, what to say, how to act, how to act in your opinion, should we not act at all, well, yes, you, well, that’s it, the speaker, justin trudeau, resigned, apologized and was forgotten, in social networks i read a lot of opinions about it, especially those ukrainians who often communicate, cross paths, work in europe, but they intersect with foreigners, cooperate, they believe that there is no need to act, it is necessary to be silent and ignore it, in my point of view, it is wrong, because we were silent, we ignored this issue at the state level all the years of independence, and this is what it led to, that is, an absolutely innocent no in what way a person was harassed, accused of the worst things, and as a result, this also marked ukraine in the world in the eyes of foreigners, but, well , if there is, to think of some recipe, i think that the perfect recipe never always exists,

and already , if such a situation happened, then... state speakers could speak with the facts that exist today, about these facts that the divisionists are not, were not and have never been recognized by any research commission on this issue as criminals, they did not participate in crimes against the civilian population, they did not were punitive special units or, not organizations, but military or non- military units that participated in the holocaust, this did not happen. that is, it should be articulated clearly, but at the same time remember that such messages alone are already the situation cannot be changed, and it is necessary now to initiate various scientific studies, round tables, discussions, real scientific discussions, interdisciplinary , not only among historians, on this topic, and ukraine must, the state must build its

vector, which will clearly be, well, we will know exactly what we are talking about. to foreigners, as we say, and at the same time we do not silence problematic moments, because they always swell and explode somewhere and act against us, and such moments must be worked through, find a common consensus and declare it, that is, and in general, through the ministry of foreign affairs, it is possible to distribute some theses there , which people could read about ordinary people who do not know history, did not study and understand elementary things, after all, about those ukrainians who go abroad, also constantly they face this, but every ukrainian who is abroad today is an ambassador of ukraine in the world, and people have to orientate themselves, and the more people will talk about such things with foreigners in everyday life, in simple situations, and the more it

will be - to develop this opinion that ukrainians are not related to the crimes of the nazis, that is, if this winner of the elections in slovakia, the physio says... that he is a ukrainian, the ukrainians are fascists , he says, they started the war, not the russians, well, what is it that you have to swallow, you know, well, such, but i , i just want to remind, well, you know, ukrainians also have to go on the attack sometimes, if we remember the tragedy of the village of kryukivka, where 6700 people were destroyed in 1943, well, we all know, well, that's how the world knows about the tragedy, let's say to the hut , the tragedy of a large french village there, but the largest number of people were destroyed at once in the village of koryukivka on in chernihiv oblast in ukraine in 1943, 700 people were killed in a hut. 6,700 people from krukiv, by the way, partisans watched this event from the forest, did not intervene, did not save the villagers, but then together with the nazis , the hungarian occupation garrison also took part in this, but for some reason i do not hear an apology from the hungarians that they destroyed 6,700 ukrainians. they just burned in the village, shot, yes, but all your fingers are poking, these greased fingers are stuck in ukrainian history, thank

you for telling me in detail about the activity division, we will continue the conversation with the diplomat there, already in the second part of our program we will think about how the ukrainian government should act in this situation, in this very difficult situation, i thank you very much, mrs. tetyana, i wish you a good day tetyana shvydchenko, candidate historical sciences, well, in the second part of our program, we will talk with the diplomat about how to act, because there will be many more such challenges and such scandals, and there will be many more attacks on ukrainian history and accusations of ukrainians, what behavior should the ukrainian authorities develop, first of all all diplomatic corps, wait, we will talk about it. antwerp miner on mego. in the matches against the belgian champion, the miners must score maximum points. on october 4 at 9:45, cheer for the victory of shakhtar. turn on the champions league, exclusively on meigo. the forum in yakarpattia represents a unique book event. literary and artistic meeting word in war, exclusive conversations with military writers and volunteers. book

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