[000:00:00;00] regarding the fact that he must, if necessary, of course, withstand any war, of any complexity, duration, with key players, well, not only russia, but also china, he must completely qualitatively change the approach to ordering the development and production of weapons , it hasn't been done yet, this cop... suff, it hasn't happened at the event yet, and that's sad. i mentioned the sanctions introduced against the russian federation, we constantly talk about the sanctions introduced against russia, the sanctions policy was quite active in the 22nd year, in the 23rd the policy also continues, and we see how now it is possible not with the same intensity as it was before, but still sanctions against

the russian federation ... are being implemented, and what do you think is a measure or a marker of whether these sanctions are successful, about russia or not? the fact that they reduce the ability of the russian economy, the russian machine to produce weapons and support this war, the sanctions, they are really unique and we are grateful to our partners for that, but every day you... hundreds of different options for circumventing these sanctions, including by countries that, for example, like turkey are members of nato, through the emirates, through central asia, of course through china, yes, it costs russia more, but nevertheless, russia will get it, and even worse, it is a question of trust in

the west, since simka introduced restrictions on... the export of russian oil and oil products, and russian oil is more than 60 dollars per barrel, it should not be served in the sense of insurance, transportation services and all others, there are also restrictions on oil products, but this issue is critical for of the west itself, from the point of view of fuel prices, with in terms of inflation, from many points of view, actually. sometimes the west also partially closes its eyes, partially does not do what it should do, partially is not ready to risk relations with other countries that directly, defiantly violate the sanctions regimes, that is , sanctions, they work only when, when

it is clear to everyone that they are not it is possible to bypass them, but when they are bypassed... then those who bypass them receive, and they receive very harshly, and so far, for the fact that the sanctions are bypassed, no one will receive anything critical, so with sanctions, the story as i see it, sometimes, you know they say that the glass is half full or half empty, but i believe that it is definitely not half empty, but definitely not full, it is definitely in the middle, neither positive, nor negative, but to make it positive is within the scope of the event , we need to raise rates, we need to talk tough with countries that circumvent sanctions, but so far the west does not want this, and this is partly understandable, how much the west uses russian resources, all russian oil goes to india for processing, and then in

the form of fuel and on west, russian metals flow to the west, uran is going, and this is the whole story that the west does not want to cross , exceed, these painful thresholds, it wants to maintain normality, this is the same as we talked with you about the release of weapons, so try to get putin, yes, try to stifle the russian economy, yes, but under the condition that it does not harm the west itself, this is how the political position is built today, the british prime minister rishi sunak also addressed the west, he said that it is necessary to support ukraine and give zelensky tools, it is meant, weapons, the ukrainians will complete the work, let's listen to

what the british prime minister said. i am proud. i can say that it was we who led the world to support ukraine, we were the first country to send western battle tanks to kyiv, now more than 10 countries have joined us, we were the first country. which sent long-range weapons to kyiv, now we are joined by france and the united states of america, we were the first country to agree to train ukrainian pilots, now we are joined by more than 10 others, i say this to our allies, if we give president zelski the tools, the ukrainians will complete the work, it is nice to listen to rishi sunak , and it is obviously doubly nice to listen to you, because you worked in london for years and you know exactly how the british behaved then, it is the fourth to eighth years, how they treated ukraine, how they are treated now, what do you think, this change took place, the attitude

of the british and the fact that great britain would become our main partner, this is without a doubt, if the poles or the united states of america were not offended there, but, the british the prime minister clearly said that we were the first to provide long-range weapons, we were the first to provide tanks, we were the first to provide such and such weapons, which the americans were still thinking about whether to provide to the ukrainians or not, what has happened in the past year and a half in relations between ukraine and the great britain, why, why have the british become so warm and kinder to us, well, i wouldn’t say the main one , i would say the most consistent and bravest, it will be... more, because after all , the americans are both in terms of volume and what they provided, this, this is definitely number one, and that's it

this story is impossible without the americans, and by the way, the germans now take second place in terms of aid, but the british really have new types of weapons, they were always ahead, it was an example for everyone, they broke, had a flight, went further, and they went quite boldly , by the way, you mentioned how i worked in london, i remember the surge of british emotions and hopes after the orange revolution, unfortunately, these hopes subsided over time, but at the beginning they were crazy things, it was possible even before to agree on the suspension, and then that's all, sad actually a story, but the boites, they understand what kind of world they live in, the boites understand that there will be either the western world or britain will be

nowhere, the boites understand that either western values ​​are something absolutely material, for which you have to fight, these are not declarative things , or we are once again in a world where nothing... nothing is predictable and transparent. razors are number one in this regard, they have their own mentality, and this mentality is so tough, tough in a good way, they have the experience of the colony, also an experience that can hardly be call it positive, but nevertheless, they are ready to act, they don't... they don't think endlessly, they don't think about some formally pacifist things, they know that for values ​​and for other things you have to fight, and if you want to win the war, you need to raise the stakes in it and

you need to lead it, you need to fight, otherwise i can't see it, that's where britami and i are lucky, i still communicate with a lot of people, and they are very cool, of course. and among the brits , there are quite complex weirdos who have their own considerations, but in general i think that brits are really number one, and with the americans, they helped us, with, well, less with the european union , there will be elections there too, most likely in the second half of next year, it is not certain, in britain there is its own system of elections, there is a certain deadline, but before them you can. .. to hold them when the prime minister wants, but nevertheless, it is important for us , even if there are some political changes, that this support is consistent, now it

looks like this, uh, but this again does not mean that it is given to us somewhere from heaven and we have to sit on it and do nothing, britain is unique for us and we must... continue to work with it, and by the way, great respect and thanks for what they have done for us, and you are right about the americans, because in this situation... i wanted to say that great britain, after all, was ahead of this great american military machine, because after all, americans are americans, and the british, they were more agile in their decisions and speed, the way the former prime minister arrived in kyiv prime minister of great britain boris johnson in april last year, everyone remembers him too everyone also remembers the support of the ex-commander of the united states of america. ben hodzhi will tell europe that

the ukrainian general staff is now completely outmatched by the general staff of the russian army. let's hear what ben hodges had to say. the ukrainian general staff completely outplays the general staff of the russian army. the russians don't know where the next attack will come from. they, like multilateral observers, are focused on the ground offensive of ukraine through shifting fields and trenches, which is of course an important part of the counteroffensive, but it is only one part. this is what nato is calls multispatial operations. the united states does so. and ukraine is actually doing it right now in front of the whole world. this is when you simultaneously operate in a planned manner in the air, on land, at sea, in cyberspace, and in information space. well, the only thing general hodges didn't add is that our capabilities in the air and at sea are too limited. well, that

is, to be honest, and we are all waiting for f16 planes, and of course, surface sea drones play a big role now, in particular in the western part of the black sea, where russian ships were usually brought out to shoot at the territory of the ukrainian state, but we hear different assessments , everyone says, well, the ukrainian army is cool, the armed forces of ukraine fight very well, but... well, the impression is that they are salami this principle until now are used in the supply of weapons to ukraine, because they will cut off a little and say, well, let's see how they will be with such weapons, and the tanks, well, we are tanks there, 10 abramts or 30 abrams, we will arrive, eh, why do you think it is maybe a rhetorical question, why in your opinion, west

provides weapons in such small doses, why? not immediately deny ukraine something that can speed up the finalization of the russo-ukrainian war, especially since the ukrainians have clearly declared that our, our goal is to reach the borders of 1991, and not go to the borders there to the urals or trans-baikal? ben, of course, well done, we have been talking with him for a long time, he says everything right, the only question is that we really outplay them, but... they have resources, they have resources economic, human, bigger than us, and therefore we critically need this help event, we really even with our capabilities, capabilities, took control of the black sea from them, at least in part, and this, this is a fantastic achievement, i don't even know how to choose another word, and we all

know this story very well in terms of arms supplies, there are considerations regarding escalation and putin's answers to the use of nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction, this is of course the understanding that certain types of weapons, as we have already discussed today, there are not so many of them, the westerners, they cannot quickly establish weapons cannot quickly establish improvements in fact, those weapons, although they learn a lot from us, like at the training ground, and of course, there are many other things that are related to technical things, to training, to some kind of logistical chains, and so on, that is, everything...

superimposed, but the main reason , in my opinion, is the west's attempt to keep our war under control and to prevent fundamental, related, endless postponements of decisions on tanks, but if we had received the tanks a few months earlier, perhaps the situation in the front would be different, i am not a military expert, i don't want to engage in philandering here, but we understand very well that this is a political declaration, which of course we want to hear, that we will and will be with you for so long. how much is needed, it should sound differently, that we will help as needed and when needed, and the negotiations on military obligations should be built around this, because if we agree that we will be charged with what they can and when

they can is not what we need because we need what we need again, i apologize for the taftology, and when necessary, and this is a completely different story , we could move much, much faster, but this is both political and military history, well, in fact, general such geopolitical history, and we must be very frank in relation to the fact that our understanding of victory, well, we understand what it is, and they actually prevent putin from winning and put him in his forest from a doctor so that he behaves there somehow, this is the essence, if not the defining difference in our

vision, we are moving in one direction, but that's it but with different assessments and different expectations. and it is also necessary to speak frankly about it, today there was information that zelenskyy in an interview with the italian television company skytg24 stated that ukrainian intelligence predicts an increase in nuclear threats from russia by the end of the current year, although the president of ukraine did not specify , in what form these threats can be, we know that the russian federation continues to control the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, they constantly thunder with nuclear weapons when it comes to crimea, and we know that the general assembly of magathe passed a resolution and called on russia to withdraw from the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, but again we do not understand what

the consequences may be, we do not know what the consequences may be for russia in the event, for example, if they land the reactor blaming ukraine for the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, the iaea does not say anything , so what will happen if russia does not listen to this resolution, and they do not listen to anyone at all, and therefore they are angry, including at the iaea and the un , and to all other reservations, in your opinion, are there still certain reservations from the same united states of america or great britain to the leadership of the russian federation, are they clearly aware of how this will end for the russian leadership and, in general, for russia, the application nuclear weapons, we are not talking only about missiles, but also a nuclear power plant that can be used as an atomic weapon? of course, only this discussion

does not take place publicly, and the russian leadership has already been clearly conveyed what this will mean, if putin uses nuclear weapons or deliberately creates, er, some kind of crisis situation on zaporozhye ares, but the chinese say the same thing to putin, the others say the same thing, and it is precisely in this matter that there is solidarity between the west and the non-west, if you look at our war, not so many issues, the west and the non-west are clearly of the same opinion, this is exactly such an area and this is what should limit putin, but you never know what is in his head, for example, i think that pushing nuclear weapons

or something in the military, unlikely, but possible, and if putin feels a threat to his regime or something else, i do not rule out some steps to raise rates, so nothing on the part of putin and the russian regime can be ruled out, we must proceed from this, our partners and those who are also talking must proceed from this with russia, the same chinese. mr. pavle, this week a large ministerial meeting was held in kyiv, of ministers, members... of the european union, member states of the european union, 24 were heads of foreign affairs, three did not make it to this meeting, but in kyiv, they discussed a plan implementation, the plan of reforms that should be implemented by ukraine, before joining

the european union. denys shmyhal, the prime minister of ukraine, says that our path to the european union may last two years, he called it two years, but today there was a message that the head of the european council, charles michel, said, that ukraine can become a member of the european union by 2030. of course, there are european standards, there is a certain procedure, there is implementation, including the adoption of draft laws, laws that are supposed to regulate different spheres of life in order for us to integrate into the european union. well, the year 2030 is certainly not 40 years after the turks went to the european union and did not reach it. erdogan has already said, we will not do this again, sorry, waiting 40 years, in the halls in front of the european union, this is

too much for us, but considering the events unfolding in our country, and the war, the intensification of the war on the part of the russian federation , isn't it such a distant goal, the year 2030, because by then anything can happen in ukraine to ukraine, i mean that the russian the federation... will gain some momentum in order to prevent this, because we remember what started the events of 2013, when ukraine wanted to become an associate member of the european union, well, this is not an associated membership, it is an association agreement, an associated membership as a concept actually does not exist in the classical sense, but you are right that for putin, that nato, that the eu is one and the same, and still in the minds of the americans, there is some strange temptation to believe that putin

will react less harshly to the eu, he will not react in the same way, he will try very hard will consistently try to make ukraine non-existent, since ukraine is in the eu, this is against the entire ideology that he built around modern russia. and there's absolutely no way he's going to stop there, as far as the reform plan is concerned, we're just talking about many different plans here, one plan is what needs to be done as of now, or rather as of yesterday, and it's a plan, immediate, which the account goes there for months, for the next year, as far as... the european union is concerned, this is actually a reboot

of ukraine as such, we cannot join here, the country that we were, these are not pro-cosmetic reforms, and even very serious reforms that will simply be aimed at adapting european legislation, it is perfectly clear to everyone that just as the european union must change: in order to accept ukraine, so ukraine must change in order to , in order to enter the european union and nato and that's all, starting from the social contract , the constitution, the way we live, we have to finally get rid of the post-soviet state, the chance, he, he is now, and there really won't be any other chance, so there are critical things on now, there are critical things for tomorrow, and there is a strategy of what is needed, what

needs to be done to join the eu. michel did mention the deadline of 30 years, i am a big fan so that our accession is not delayed, and it cannot happen as it was before, not for nothing, in the european union they talk about geopolitical accession, but nevertheless, it is not means that we will be given discounts , discounts, we can and must move faster , we must do more, we must be excellent, even the best grade there is, otherwise everyone will point fingers, must use and say, but no, they don't deserve, they don't deserve to get into the european... union and into nato, so it's a very, very serious story, we have to

finally understand that we, we have to change . yes, the european union cannot, without fundamental changes in the decision-making process, abandoning unanimity , look at the budget in a different way, look at agricultural subsidies in a different way, even now key eu countries cannot agree on increasing the budget, well, but those none the less, i am very optimistic about, i am... regarding euro-euro-atlantic integration, i have been doing this for many years, and i really want to see our flags in front of the nato headquarters and in front of the european council, that will be really what i i will consider it a fantastic

success for both ukraine and the ukrainian nation, that is... something that will give us the opportunity to occupy the place we deserve, and now many more people understand this than before. mr. pavle, how will the european union and nato affect our progress, change, or let's say, the victory in the elections in european countries, especially in eastern european countries, of populist and pro-moscow parties, well , how did it happen in slovakia, will it affect our pace and our negotiations and our discussions about our future. it will have a bad influence, i will even say in one sentence, there will be a lot of different attempts to build strategies, or situational, to put forward

conditions to us, to brussels, to set hooks, to postpone something, to privatize, that is, this process will be quite difficult, tough, cynical , and we we have to prepare for it. thank you, mr. pavle, for the conversation, it was pavlo klimkin, a diplomat, a politician, a person who knows everything, or almost everything, about the foreign policy of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please like us. video in order for our conversation with pavel klimkin to progress in youtube trends, and take part in our voting, today we ask you about the following: cheated presidential elections and presidential elections of the verkhovna rada during the war, yes, no, at the moment no, 78% said our viewers on youtube, and 22% said yes, why are we asking about

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