[000:00:00;00] the project site was visited by more than 48 million russians, and out of 25,000 applications received by the structure , 216 people surrendered, and about a thousand more are waiting for their turn to carry out a special operation, of which there were already more than 20. representative of the main intelligence directorate andriy yusov earlier in our said on the air that after the successful capture mission, the capture of the russian mi-8 pilot, the number of russian soldiers who want to surrender has increased by 70%. as a result of the latest operation of the main... intelligence, which became known it is publicly known that a russian soldier surrendered and together with him convinced 11 more soldiers of the russian federation to join him. this operation was codenamed barenya. vitaly matvienko, an employee of the coordination headquarters for the treatment of prisoners of war and the speaker of the state project on voluntary surrender for russian servicemen khachuzhit. it is already on our air. i welcome you. i congratulate you. thanks for joining, we have a lot

to talk about. information drives, we want to find out certain details, how many, in general, since the start of the project, the russian military has turned to the ukrainian side, with a request that they want to surrender, and whether there are possible noticeable jumps in requests, well, conditionally , a counteroffensive in the active phase has more requests, a counteroffensive in such a less calm, more calm phase, fewer requests, well, actually, you practically answered your question, and to be more specific, since the start of work on the project itself, we have received more than 25,000 calls to our hotline and on messengers such as telegram and whatsapp, the growth peaks absolutely depended on the situation directly at the front, if we are talking about the counteroffensive that began there in ukraine, in ukraine since march of this year, then we should have recorded the growth of requests

almost twice in compare... there, for example, with december 2022, where there were 1,500 appeals per month, since march we received 3,000 appeals per month, accordingly, the operations of the main intelligence department also affect the impact of appeals, actually one of these of successful operations the titmouse, because he surrendered together with the helicopter , yes, the military service of the russian federation caused the fact that we began to receive 70% more per day, well , it is actually somewhere, if on average 100, 70-100 appeals per day, after the publication of the results of the tit operation, we began to receive about 170 calls per day, and as of now, tentatively there in the last week, for example, in the last few days, how is the situation, well, the trend

persists, as you know, recently was another operation was made public under the code name barenya, where a russian cadre military officer who served in his army saw what it was like and could have been killed by his own, thanks to the khaichut project, he took out 11 of his colleagues and thus saved their lives , and he actually came out himself, accordingly, accordingly, when this information gets into the network of the russians, it is tracked and their interest increases, they are more interested, try to find information on the project, let it be foreign, and as we have already said, that has become more today , about the number of operations, which we can say that it is 216, so people were taken out, yes, military personnel, they are in our captivity, they were just passing through, after the actual results of the special operation were made public, was there a noticeable

jump as well? people saw that he went himself and took 11 russian soldiers with him, and the russian military began to call you more en masse, to contact you on your line, i apologize, repeat the question about, in fact, after the baren special operation, which was carried out by the ukrainian special services, was there a noticeable a surge of calls asking that even more people want to surrender themselves as prisoners from the russian side, so accordingly, similar operations, successful operations, especially since one man was able to save 11 of his fellow men before leaving on his own and with the understanding that he can be killed by his own, by his command, and by the way, last year we conducted a sociological survey of prisoners of war, and just one of the points was how much soldiers and officers trust

their command. and just there is very low level of trust in their command, on this was once again confirmed that the servicemen of the russian federation have a very low level of trust in their command, they do not trust them, well, because they understand very well that they can be thrown around like cannon muscle. well, we know very well that the russian federation has a mobilization resource, well, it’s big, yes, they can afford it, and they do so, well, if they don’t count their people, that is , their attitude towards their own citizens is as worthless as possible, and those russians who perfectly understand, well, where did they get into, yes, what did they get into, or was he forcibly mobilized there, for example, as was the case with alororov, he was threatened that if, if he did not come in the army, then tomorrow with... they would come there together with the police and thus he was mobilized and put again to the ranks of the russian federation, as a military officer, and being an officer, being a lieutenant, he, the attitude towards him was very, let's say bad,

mr. vitaly, but he being a lieutenant, and what the highest officer rank may have applied to the project, maybe the special operation was not conducted, but who is there by positions with of the russian military, the highest addressed. actually to the project and this information can be voiced, a captain, a major, after all, a senior lieutenant, what were the positions of these people? let's say, for the purposes, appropriate, well, understanding the situation, i won't tell you exactly what rank it was, but it was above, let's say, senior lieutenant, there will be an appropriate time to announce the opportunity, we will do it immediately, that is, this is a specification, which has not yet been completed, this is a specification that will be published then, please tell me regarding wagnerivtsi, the ukrainian side confirms that they have returned to the front, precisely the eastern direction, how often did wagnerivtsi surrender before, did they surrender, did they call the projects, maybe already now those new ones who have returned, about 500, if i am not mistaken, for according to the ukrainian side,

are they calling? well, as for the wagnerites, during the period when they were on the territory of ukraine, yes, there were no calls from their side, because they were forbidden, their mobile... phones were taken away and there they have completely different conditions, let’s say even worse, that is why according to the let it be stranger project, the wagnerites did not surrender, they can be taken into columns directly during the battle, or when the battle is taking place, they themselves show a desire to surrender and there from trench to trench , yes, if it is already a contact battle, they can shout that he is surrendering, raising his hands, throwing off his bulletproof vest, showing as much as possible that he is unarmed and does not pose a threat, and thus surrender, and according to the project, let him alienate the wagnerites, let's say so, we didn't have it, so what as for now, we do not observe calls from them yet, and who calls more often, by the way, the russian servicemen themselves, or their relatives, maybe they

also call with certain requests? well, at the beginning of the project, let's say this, this branch was 50:50, relatives and actual military personnel were calling, it was clear because the project had just started and the russians themselves were starting to work in the information space, knowing in which country they live and what they can be monitored and that this could in principle be some kind of fsb project, they they were simply afraid to call, so that they would not be exposed there, and then they would not come for them and they would not disappear somewhere in the forests of russia. and that's why relatives called, distant relatives, you know, there are distant relatives, they called there , the relative is in omsk, and the military serviceman is in st. petersburg, and they were interested in whether it's really a ukrainian project, or whether it's really a state project, and what ukraine provides guarantees, and what happens next, and what are the opportunities to return to the homeland, and if he wants to stay, and if he is there,

well, let's put it bluntly, a potential he is still mobilized, yes, this is my mother's scratch, who not only did not hold a weapon in his hands, but also in principle does not know what it is, and what to do, well , a person does not want to fight, yes, does not want to and cannot and he doesn't want to, but he is being mobilized forcibly, like, what are the possibilities of staying there, or on the territory of ukraine, asking for asylum, or there, or the possibility of crossing the border to europe, actually, mr. vitali, that was the case before, and now military servicemen call more often , is that right, or is it true that relatives also call more often now, now it is more prevalent, preference is given more to military personnel, because already information about the project is more widespread on the territory of russia, by the way, roskomnadzor is constantly trying to block ours. mirrors of the site have already been blocked several times, but this means that, in principle, the project is successful , about 60 times you say there were attempts

to block, and 260 times they tried and blocked, actually, but we use, our specialists use mirrors there, the information constantly appears on the territory of the so- called russian federation, and people have it it is possible to familiarize yourself with it, plus we also have other resources, youtube, facebook, tiktok, where we constantly teach, teach our materials and people will be able to get acquainted with it, for example, about the conditions of stay in a camp for prisoners of war, which in my opinion more than comfortable, the constant presence of the international committee of the red cross in the camp, the opportunity for them to contact their relatives and friends, legal support, meals are provided three times a day, they eat, i think, you can also familiarize yourself with these conditions on the project website , we thank you for tuning in, we invite you to our broadcasts in the future as well, always listen to what the situation is, what the dynamics are, how it is changing, vitaly matvienko,

an employee of the coordination headquarters for the treatment of prisoners of war and the speaker of the state project on voluntary surrender for russian servicemen , khachuzhyt, the speaker of our broadcast today, this is svoboda ranok, we have important topics and important guests, and don't miss the rest of the broadcast. the state bureau of investigation completed the investigation into the biggest case of the maidan, yanukovych and the entire power block of that time will appear before the court for the execution of the heavenly. hundreds what will this court be like and what are the real chances of bringing the guilty to justice? let's talk. ukraine is losing population due to low birth rate and migration. journalists calculated that in the first half of the year 23 , about 93,500 children were born in ukraine, which is almost a third less than in the same period before the start of the full-scale invasion in 2021 . how can this threaten such chances to return to the pre-war level. subscription to radio svoboda's youtube channel. welcome, and in the comments below the broadcast, share topics that you would be interested in hearing about in

our broadcasts. the odbr completed the investigation of the biggest case of the maidan and handed it over to the court, this was reported in the department itself. it is about the events of february 18-20, 2014. the then leadership of the country, the president and the leaders of the power bloc will be tried for the organization of the dispersal and shooting of the demonstrators, they face life imprisonment. official state bureau of investigation. prosecutor's office surnames the accused are not named only by their positions , but it is known that the list includes former president viktor yanukovych, minister of internal affairs vitaly zakharchenko and his deputy, ex-head of the sbu oleksandr yakymenko, ex-minister of defense of ukraine, pavlo lebidev. in addition, the then first deputy head of the security service of ukraine, the commander of the internal forces of the ministry of internal affairs, the acting head of the main department of the ministry of internal affairs, the head of the public security police, and the commander of berkut kyiv are also accused. the dbr says that the officials are unjustified and illegal. gave orders to law enforcement officers to use

firearms, military equipment, and special means against protesters in order to disperse them and stop protest actions. also, under the guise of an anti-terrorist operation, they organized an assault on the maidan, in the morning of february 20 they ordered the shooting of demonstrators, which led to mass casualties. the dbr says 60-7 dead. in addition, the department found out that the former head of the sbu and the commander of the internal troops of the ministry of internal affairs already served in the russian army after the collapse of the soviet union. army, acquired russian citizenship and gained access to russian military state secrets and took an oath of loyalty to the russian people, giving orders to use violence against protesters, they acted in the interests of the russian federation, the udr says. currently, some of the accused are hiding in the temporarily occupied crimea and in the city of sevastopol, they will be taken into custody and brought to court immediately after the liberation of these territories, the dbbr writes. vitaly titycha. a lawyer who defended the rights of the nebebnaya family hundreds, now a serviceman joins

our broadcast. i welcome you. good morning mr. vitaly, what are the real chances that the accused in the maidan cases will be brought to justice. these people are not on the territory of ukraine or on the territory controlled by kyiv today. will russia hand over yanukovych conditionally, not if the ukrainian courts find him guilty? well, they have already been prosecuted, if you use the term correctly, you mean that. will they really be punished or not the court sentence has been executed hypothetically, well, there will still be court cases, now we are talking about the fact that the dbbr has a court, that the dbbr has filed a new, in fact, new cases to the court, which will also be considered, well, so we have, first of all , ahead of us, at least, compared to the proceedings on february 20, which is now just about to be announced as a verdict, lasted more than six years, which the sbi calls the largest,

the largest is the number of volumes, and it is really a colossal volume, in fact, in my practice there was no such thing, i still haven't been able to familiarize myself with all the materials that are there this proceeding, therefore , hypothetically, such proceedings can take place for at least 5-6 years, so now i don't see any special reasons for any happy relations, the investigation ended two years ago, two. for years, the defense side has been familiar with the materials of criminal proceedings, so that, mr. vitaly, but of those trials that have already taken place, where you say, there are accused, there are those found guilty, how they are brought to justice, whether those, for example, who shot, who gave the orders, the court cases that have already taken place, as of

now, as of now , there is only one case related to the february 20 terrorist act. with this case that we are talking about, because there we are talking about the perpetrators of five acts of terrorism, and here we are talking about the organizers of terrorist acts that were committed during the protest action on february 18-20, so i'm just taking us back a little bit everyone to reality, no one remembers what these courts are about and what exactly is being considered. therefore, i remind you, everything else that is in court proceedings, now in ukraine, there is a large number of court proceedings, er, this regarding various episodes, from november 30 to february 20, which relate to completely different

circumstances, both violent confrontations and persecutions, illegal persecutions of protest participants, for example, they have been going on for a number of years, have been brought to court for a long time, for 5-6 years back then, and here is such a negative situation , so i don’t see any special expectations of any happy relations on this occasion, we have to follow the process, we have to watch, i understand that now there are slightly different priorities, but unfortunately, we have to remember that the events of the maidan... this is what led to what is happening now, this is the beginning of this point, the point of entry into active confrontation with the aggressor. in the context of the case concerning the organizers of these crimes, which we are talking about now, the pre-trial investigation established that the former head of the sbu and the commander of the internal forces of the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine, at that time, after the collapse of the ussr, served in

the russian armed forces, as a result of which they acquired russian citizenship federation, how can these people be brought to justice in general, or is there any legal mechanisms, how to do it, if they will be considered citizens of the russian federation, to involve interpol, how should it work? this is a very interesting conclusion that the investigation came to, i understand the nature of how it arose, it is a long story, i will not tell, in fact, the events of the maidan, which we call the revolution of dignity, those facts that have been established, they indicate the clear involvement of special forces - services of the russian organization to the russian federation, to the organization of these terrorist acts. the purpose of terrorist of the acts was not precisely the inebriation of the confrontation, but the radicalization of these processes, this is what was established in the previous processes, in the judicial ones.

how should it be implemented, in this indictment, in this process with evidence, to show the connection and involvement of the russian federation in those... grave crimes that took place, well , the investigation decided to go by establishing, connecting , due to the fact that they acquired russian citizenship and served in the army, in my opinion, this is not quite the right approach, we have a large part, in the army, in the security service of ukraine, as you know, in the courts, people who have acquired and have russian citizenship are not even informed about this, whether it is necessary to establish how and how deeply they cooperate with the special services of the russian federation, carrying out, causing harm to ukraine, if i yes, i will have one more question in conclusion, it will relate to the contract, in this case, about which we remind, and in general we remind about the events of the maidan, about the fact that the guilty have not yet been brought

to justice, this is important a topic that we we are constantly monitoring, but how can these court processes take place in general, what will they look like if, for example , there are no accused persons , their defense will be presented, somehow they will be involved online, but how will it happen in practice? this procedure is provided for by our procedural code, it is called inapsentia , this is the common name in the absence of the accused, they must be represented by the defense and additional rights are granted, and conditionally speaking, rights and another review procedure, yes, and this the proceedings take place exclusively under...' when it is established, for example, that a person is evading the court and the investigation, and he knows that such proceedings are taking place, under these circumstances, if the court establishes, he can consider in the absence of the accused, the question of whether

will this sentence be your main one, which you asked, we got a little distracted, we are clarifying whether this sentence will be reduced to , these sentences in relation to these persons are hypothetical, about which we do not yet know, who are hiding in the territory of the russian federation or in belarus, yes, there are a large number of golden eagles there are, in respect of which, there are already verdicts, or we expect it all depends on the results of this war, this phase of the war, how it will end, so these things are connected and, conditionally, our victory, the victory that we, as we we can imagine it, it is a guarantee that these persons will be directly, er, punished, yes, that is, the verdict of the court is hypothetical, about which we do not know yet, it will be, thank you, mr. vitaly, but it is important to actually remind the audience what happened then and at what stage is this investigation, it is the proper task of journalism, including to control which

there is a stage in the development of their cases, vitaly tytych, a lawyer who defended the rights of the heavenly hundred family, now a military serviceman, is a guest of our broadcast. in 10 years, there may be 24 million ukrainians, which is 35% less than before the start of the full-scale invasion, such a pessimistic forecast was voiced by the director of the institute of demography and social research, libanova, and at the same time, her optimistic forecast is that the population will decrease by only 5 %, i.e. up to 35 million. ukraine is losing population due to low birth rate, high premature mortality and migration, and even before the full-scale invasion, sociologists predicted a decrease in the population of ukraine, for example, in a united nations report on demographic issues, it was predicted that in the year 2000 there would be only 22 million people in ukraine, but now, due to a full-scale war, this the number may decrease further. so the woll street journal, with reference to demographers, writes that the birth rate in ukraine may fall to the lowest in the world. if we talk about the rates

of birth, then at first full-scale invasion, it fell by 28%. and although the decline in the birth rate is a global trend and has been observed in ukraine for the past 10 years, sociologists predict that due to the war, its scale this year could be catastrophic. word and deed edition shows the schedule in dynamics, you can see it on your screens now. it is clear that now ukraine has the lowest birth rate since independence, that is, since 1991. then the birth rate was at its peak at the level of 500-6000 children per year. then, after the drop in the indicator with from year to year a noticeable and gradual growth, which continued from 2002, from 2002 to 2012. then there is a steady decline. it is worth noting that these studies were conducted without taking into account the occupied territories of ukraine. oleksandr gladun, deputy director. of demography and social research named after ptukha of the national academy of sciences of ukraine joins our broadcast, i congratulate you.

good morning. thank you for finding the opportunity to join, please tell me how many ukrainians there are now within the borders of ukraine and in general, counting those who actually left, do you have that figure? we estimated the population at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, it was 42 million people, that means , according to the office of the un high commissioner for refugees , people left in principle , the number of the population has decreased so much, as far as birth and death rates are concerned, we do not have, we do not currently have complete data for the entire territory of ukraine, the data that are given in the mass media and some of them are made public by the ministry of justice, they concern only territories under control,

but it is difficult to make a correct comparison with respect to those territories, as well as with regard to those territories of comparison. regarding the occupied territories, are there at least approximate numbers of how many ukrainians are there now and what does this counting system look like, if you implemented it? well, we didn't estimate the population on the subcon...' control territory, because it is practically impossible, regarding the future forecasts, in particular of your institution, they are not entirely comforting, to put it mildly, but still, as you estimate from those calculations that had a pessimistic or optimistic forecast, how many ukrainians will there be in 5 10 years, what will it depend on, and again, we made such a forecast, made it within limits. in the borders of 1991, i.e. throughout the territory, and the base number, as he said, was 42 million, we

made a forecast for 15 years and at the beginning of the 37th year, according to our forecasts, there will be approximately 30-31 million, that is, the reduction will be more than 10 million. well, it should be said that we made this forecast in april, after that additional data appeared, and most likely we will revise this forecast, most likely it will be a little, a little better, but it does not fundamentally change. that is, this forecast should not be considered as some kind of final decision, some kind of sentence, it is simply an outline of the trend of the rate of population reduction and as a signal that something needs to be done in the country, but regarding those ukrainians who should return, and we you hear, there were communication problems, we're hearing from you now, about those ukrainians who should have returned home and want to do so,

but they left because of the full-scale war, what do you estimate will be the number of those who want to return, and what will affect it? it is difficult to give an estimate now, if about 50% return, it will be good, the first factor that affects is, firstly, the duration of the war, the longer people will be abroad, well, the less likely they will return, they will adapt besides, life abroad maybe they will find... a job, especially since many european countries are interested in ukrainians staying there, let's say, in their labor market, regarding incentives to return to ukraine, first of all, this should be kept in mind , will these people have a background, because

many people from eastern and southern ukraine have left, and their housing has been completely destroyed, what are the prospects for housing, then how will the labor market develop, we now hear a lot that foreign companies want to invest in ukraine to ukraine, but we let's see how it will be in practice, that is, a plus, let's say this, if it will be women with children, they will certainly be interested in the social infrastructure, beer is an opportunity and the availability of places in preschool... children's institutions, but people will simply decide, what is the perspective, surveys are currently being conducted in various countries, but they have, as it were, an emotional character, that is, a person says how he imagines himself at the moment, but when the war ends, people will have to make a practical decision, which will change their entire future life, and so here is a very important point

from these circumstances, for which i thank you, thank you for this enablement, for the previous one. analysis that you can give, oleksandr gladun , deputy director of the institute of demography and social research named after ptukha, national academy of sciences of ukraine, was a guest of our broadcast, we talked about what the situation with the population of ukraine will be in the future. it is reported that at its meeting, the cabinet of ministers on october 5, i.e. today, passed an order and appointed three new deputy ministers of defense, these are klimenkov, dmytro, haideras and. and gavrilyuk ivan, a topic that is also worth understanding, recently all the deputy ministers of defense were dismissed and now personnel rotation is taking place in the government, and here we have operational information as of now , the government online telegram channel reports about it, we are waiting for official confirmation, thank you for being with us , traditionally svoboda ranok, at this time always in order to inform you about the most important things, subscribe to the youtube channel of radio svoboda and trust only verified

sources of information, take care of yourself. congratulations, the news is in the news, kateryna shirokpoyas works with you in the studio. all morning , the russians are searching for kherson, the coast came under enemy fire. districts of the city. in total, during the day, the enemy shelled the region 78 times, using rocket attacks twice. the enemy launched 445 shells from mortars, artillery, hail, tanks, aviation and uavs. oleksandr prokudin, the head of the region, said. in the city of kherson, the enemy fired 25 shells, residential quarters and an educational