[000:00:00;00] from that russian culture, it took away this emptiness, but it is not, this quantity may not mean the quality at all, absolutely, now there is a very fragile identity in people and a very fragile solidarity that is trying to be built, that's why there is such an urgent demand for justice, that's why actually the reactions are so nervous, and the most important thing is what we are doing now here with our community, it is extremely important to speak the world, it is extremely important that ukraine... does not disappear from the agenda, someone there wants to get tired of it, and nevertheless, you can't do that allow, but everything that will happen here in the middle in the community, it will go forward with us for decades, and if, and now there will be a lot of rifts, they already are, they are emerging very different experiences, very different ways of experiencing this war, and if we add to these rifts some other such value divisions, because in fact, if we single out

the rational grain and situations with kurkov, this is a value division, precisely at this point of non -solidarity with the community and the request for this solidarity, and if we add there are more and more such fractures, we will split them community, it will be very difficult for us to collect it all after our victory, which will certainly come, but maybe not as soon as we want, panic, there is one more such question, because one thing is masha hessen, who, despite the fact that she produces an imperial narrative, but none the less. there somehow still stands for ukraine, that is, it is strangely combined with her, and, but for the general public, masha hessen is incomprehensible, and, if we talk about her, they, and they do not know about, their existence, yes, meanwhile , we have different tv channels which

are financed from the state budget, where the so-called good russians... give them the floor very often, and they do not have a discussion with kurkov, because for kurkov there is probably no need to explain what ukraine is, what is bad for ukraine, what is good, yes, but these people happen there, i don’t know if dmitri bykov is still around, his dmitri, yes, this writer who a few weeks ago, as i literally saw him talk, and he considers himself good, then he can't report on the armed forces, because it's killing my people anyway. this people can be, this and because that one is his, and this one is not his, although he is a good russian and loves ukrainians very much, in general, ukrainians should be, as he once told me, shouted, literally, because i told him, when you

disconnect from us. he said that you should be grateful to such good russians, because we support you and volunteer and help you, but my god, that we should do here, i tried to tell him the same thing somewhere, but nevertheless, people like him have platform, they speak to the ukrainian audience, to the foreign audience, but from the ukrainian platform, because they for example, they speak in russian, these sites speak in russian, and there is no such broad discussion, because it is clear that writers are people who are very... obsessed with tv, yes, but many ukrainians watch tv, and accordingly, we live as if in two parallel realities, yes, that is, the writers say, damn it is bad, there is a discussion, but here on that other level, no one raises any discussion, they moreover, they have huge views on youtube, this is very tragic actually, and i i can't even give you a clear answer right away on what to do about it, although something must be done about it, because, first of all

, this paternalistic position, which has... a russian has the right to come and tell us something about how to live here , well, come on, you don’t have to at all, and now even more so, and you can’t , this is what oksana zabushko called in her post bosseidism, that is, equating this discussion with the executioner and the victim on the live broadcast of trauma, even if this executioner, in fact he does not consider himself as such, it doesn't matter, he is a representative of this people. a bearer who, in one way or another, bears the burden of collective guilt. i am in favor of telling even all these good russians that the collective guilt lies with them, maybe not for the war, maybe their hands will not heal in blood, but they are guilty of allowing the dictator to become what he is became, they are guilty of the fact that this community allowed the new nazism to grow, did not do anything about it, and well, civil society,

of course they will talk about the fact that they are oppressed, occupied, they did not have the opportunity, well, the ukrainians, going institutionally to meet the sniper, it would seem that they could not do anything either, but at least they tried. therefore, of course, it is a very big job, that is why even without russian experts here, people walk the streets and will already think about the fact that one day it will be necessary to negotiate with the russians again , to talk about something, someone has relatives, someone has acquaintances, and so on, and this in fact , one of the greatest tragedies of the war would be possible if we suddenly started to stop and take it easy again and pretend that there was nothing. ugh, this is a lot of work with the community, we need to disperse for a few decades in different directions , not intersect in any way, not ask for any

expertise from there, and if possible, the children of the onnuks there will work through the generational trauma, the one we are experiencing now, and if russia will change, hypothetically, or we will analyze her there in the composition, or she will suddenly come to her senses and do something at home, then maybe there can be some dialogue there in half a century or more, now it is not needed, and it looks blasphemous, and it is very dangerously, there is very little time left, i wanted to raise one more such rather difficult question , even what lesya just said about dmitriy bykov, what personally annoys me about bykov or other russian intellectuals there or, er, whether there, i don’t know, actors or writers, this is the arrogance that they always demonstrate in any dialogue with ukrainians, as if they are representatives of the metropolis, who in one way or another are representatives of some higher imperial

culture, who condescend to attempts to be independent there some colony, and we on the other hand, when today we try to build our own policy of sometimes co-colonization, we are to some extent then simply embedded in the same discourse, i.e. we are told, well, you are a colony, and a metropolis, we say, well, we are a colony, and you are a metropolis, but here there are two, but the first is that russian civilization, the muscovite kingdom, was actually founded ideologically by natives of kyiv, actually ukrainians, well, the professors of kyiv probably formulated the idea of ​​this russian world in principle, and secondly, if we take about a significant part of ukraine, about western ukraine, including the rivne region, and for this part of ukraine, for example, in general, that is, especially, for example, for

galicia, for bukovyna, for transcarpathia, it has always been, in principle, something, something the opposite of civilization, russians have always been perceived here as some influx from the east, that's enough, that is, that's it. hrytsak writes that this was perceived as the collapse of civilization in the year 39, they demonstrated themselves as a wild horde, and therefore it seems to me that this discourse, it is at least is not suitable for the whole of ukraine, at most it actually works the other way around in imperial narratives, but for you, as a person from vinnytsia, well, i am interested, this is a practical case, if you take the main location of vinnytsia, it is the pirogovo museum, pirog is such a personality too, which can also be appropriated in what way. hrytsak believes that it is possible that pirogov had pro-ukrainian views in many respects, he made some important and interesting contributions, but at least i was, we were with lesya in the pirogoov museum, there definitely needs to be changed

accents in such a case, of course, you literally, literally have two minutes left, for me the main location is in vinnytsia , for example, the kotsiubynskyi museum, so this is probably the answer, because the pie has the right to lie there, but you really need to put other accents and speak not so about the last one. who consecrated this place with himself, as about genius places, about the land that enlightened a person, the manor, by the way, belonged to a very interesting cossack family, some foremen, who, as well as the manor, he basically bought them a museum, which they did, already such a soviet, in the soviet way, the impression is made that he is just a janitor, panicky, thank you for an interesting conversation, thank you for our broadcast, kateryna kalytko, a writer, was a guest of our studio, we continue. such a writerly conversation, because next we will have the author and warrior olena lototska, stay with us, there will be a short pause and we will return, there are no potatoes,

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journalists, experts, opinion leaders, in real time about the most relevant, events through the prism of war in author's projects on espresso. well, i promised that we would continue our writerly conversations, and then a writer-warrior, a participant in a literary and artistic meeting, appears on our airwaves. of numbers in the war as part of the via-karattya forum, which will take place in ivano-frankivsk on october 14-15, this is olena lototska, and here she is already with us, ms. olena, congratulations, congratulations, congratulations, within, within varpati, there will be a presentation of the book angels on mysteries, and an anthology of yours, when in your words the pro race speaks, this, your works and

actually... angels in necklaces is a collection of short stories using the polish dialect, it has just been published by the publishing house of the old lion , you know, they say that whenever they talk about dialect, there is galician dialect, that's how they always talk about it and say, what the hell, those galicians talk so much that nothing is clear, they can speak normally normally, but it turns out that there is not only halytskyi, there is also one, for example, poliskyi, tell us a little bit about us, our viewers, and galicians and non-galicians, bye things prose bear which writes in his own polish dialect, i will tell you that it is much more difficult to understand than galician, in my opinion, ms. elena, you will reveal to us all the beauty of the polish dialect, i would, well, everyone will discover it for themselves after reading a book , i want to note that not all the stories in the collection are written in this dialect, some are, well, the usual

literary language, but about beauty, well, how can i define it, if it is my native language, for galicians their dialect is native, for me it is middle-class. the dialect is native, but i wouldn't said that it is incomprehensible, it is the language of our land, it cannot be incomprehensible , especially if some words are incomprehensible from the context, then there are footnotes and i think that everyone will feel, understand and love the polissya, will love the polish pike, and they will become for everyone who reads even closer, our ukrainian people, who now also stand in the defense of our state, we are one whole, and we need to know each other better, and then we will be, i don't know, stronger, probably somewhere yes, and this

is the essence of all my works, that is, for getting to know the police, to get to know the polish pike, so that we were...' strong and united, it used to be like this in the cinema that everyone spoke in such a literary language, sometimes those actors who did not speak ukrainian in life, but only wore it ukrainian for the screen, then it was heard that this ukrainian language is somehow not alive, plastic, now the trend has changed, and now we can already see that there are films that, for example, like pamfir, there is a bukovinian dialect, or there where two twin brothers were filmed, my god, how is this movie on luxemburg luxemburg, then there is already some kind of poltava region, cherkasy region, probably more surzhik, after all, i don’t know, i have a little, different attitude towards surzhik, sorry, i don’t think so, nevertheless, that’s what ukraine says, that’s what ukraine is saying now

, and we hear different of her, different of her language, eh, was this a special move of yours , to use, actually, a dialect, you know, i believe that these dialects are the living language of the people, this is the breath of the people, and our literary language, she is of course beautiful, but when polishchuk speaks in the work, and to understand that it is polishchuk, well he can’t speak literary language, it’s somehow a bit artificial, so this is a return to the origins, to history, to the real, everyone was amazed... by the language of the heroes of the film about dovbush, well, imagine if these heroes spoke literary, well, wouldn’t you believed, the truth, that is, the level of trust in the heroes, well, drops significantly, that's why this is what is now in films and what appears in fiction,

in fact, these sayings, dialects, it's wonderful, because, well, how in my opinion, this is authenticity, in this way we will get to know better... our ukraine, our history, our people, well for me this is great, how to separate, i read that you also lived in the crimea for about five years, and you lived in the crimea until the 14th year, obviously you went to the crimea for a reason in the 14th year we lived from 1999 to 14, my husband is a military officer, i was a civil servant at that time... a civil servant, and you know, first of all, an oath is, well, if it were not an empty word, it is not an empty word , in addition, by the 14th year, already in march, at the beginning of march, it was clear that there would be no place for ukrainians in crimea, that is, already

at that moment it became clear, and in fact, an oath and a feeling in oneself, well, if such ukrainianness, well, which is impossible. under that government, it was conducive, not what was conducive, well, that is, there were two main such thoughts, that we should leave, since it is impossible to live there with the convictions that my husband and i had, and even more so , what i understood, i wanted my child to still grow up and be formed in a free state, where there is still truth, where there is the right to vote and the right to one's own opinion, i will write it now... no, i am interested, because we have we probably have a little bit of experience in common, it’s true that earlier, somewhere from 1990 to 1993, i also lived in the crimea with my parents for three incomplete years , etc. and my memories are that crimea was very little ukrainian, and something was wrong

yeah, and not with the policies that were there, all the stories about let's not push too hard and so on, they didn't really lead to anything good in the end, and um, i don't know how to put it, well, for example, we used to go to a circle, if it was a local enlightenment, and i remember that the enlightenment meeting was ending everyone... went out to simferopolska street and mostly people from lviv oblast, frankiv oblast and so on made up the world there, and they went out and switched to russian so that no one looked back at them and there were no scandals, that is, in the 90s, it's the first year or something like the 92nd year, and we are now talking about what to do with the de-occupied territories, what to do, in particular with crimea, with the same when he returns, what do you think should be, in particular cultural ,

the policy that should change, well 100%, well no it should be about gentle ukrainization, about which people spoke earlier, uh, for me personally, well, this is my opinion, uh, the baltic countries did very right when the language issue became so sharp, because for me the language is tere the state, and god forbid... we should set aside all these territories, and therefore the question here should be absolutely ruba, eh, there is a year to study, a language exam, a history exam, and without any such moments, let's be gentler, here is this gentleness, it led to the fact that we lost it in the crimea, and now we see what it is with blood, with what sacrifices we, well, manage to win back... the territories in the east of ukraine , that's why only a strict policy regarding language issues in

these territories is clear, well, thank you very much for this conversation, ms. olena, olena lototska was with us today, see you , i think more and we will hear each other already during vyekarpattia, the next one, i also turn out to be a little half polishchuk, so my dad. from near kovel, yes, all the fields are covered, yes, all the fields are covered, listen, actually all the fields, all of ukraine is covered, from volyn stretches all the way there to chernihiv oblast, well, it actually stretches to belarus as well, it’s a forest, in principle, it’s ukrainian lands , it’s not the first time i’ve voiced lukashenko’s father’s territorial claims in this regard, and what lukashenko’s father and, but, to be honest, if you remember, even those maps that were created in a couple of days, that they announced their existence, the belarusian people 's republic was like that, the unr and the bnr were proclaimed in the same way, but as historians like to joke, when, if, the ukrainian historians

say that if the train were to be arrested, which one? everyone went there to meet with hrushevsky, at one time they would have arrested a tsarist guard, then there would be no unr , because everyone could be put on one train, then active participants and creators of the ukrainian people's republic, then the bnr was increasingly sad, there was enough for...' only the participants of one round table , where everyone gathered to proclaim the bnr, which eventually happened, they were all arrested, but the map they drew, where they outlined the borders of the bnr, and this is important, because there was no belarus did not have any borders independence, as well as ukraine, it was all painted somewhere behind halos, simply where people spoke either ukrainian or belarusian, there, for example, there was neither the gomel region in belarus, nor the bretsk region, this is all buristic. so was part of ukraine. dear friends, andriy and i will return to the ether at 11:10, we still have one more hour on the air ahead of us, we will talk

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forever. greetings, eter espresso news, kateryna shirokpoyas works with you in the studio. the russians shelled kherson in the morning. previously , two people died, among them a utility worker who cut trees and another woman. in total, during the day, the enemy shelled the region 78 times - noted the head of the region oleksandr prokudin. used rockets twice. attack, the enemy fired 445 shells from artillery, tanks, aviation and uavs. the enemy fired 25 shells in the city, and this is only in kherson, residential quarters and an educational institution were damaged. at night , the occupiers struck odrakamka and mykolaivka from aviation. a night without shelling turned into a noisy morning for nikopol in