[000:00:00;00] zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, they constantly thunder with nuclear weapons when it comes to crimea, and we know that the general assembly of the magathe adopted a resolution and called on russia to leave the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, but again we do not understand what the consequences may be, no we know what the consequences may be for russia if, for example, they land a reactor at the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, accusing... ukraine, magaten, does not say anything, so what will happen if russia does not listen to this resolutions, but they don't listen to anyone at all, and therefore they have to sneeze, including at the iga and at the un and at all other reservations, in your opinion, are there still certain reservations from

the same united states of america or of great britain to the leadership of the russian federation, do they clearly understand how this will end for the russian leadership and for russia in general, the use of nuclear weapons, we are not talking only about missiles, but also a nuclear power plant, which can be used as an atomic weapon, of course, only this discussion does not go public, and the russian leadership has already been unequivocally conveyed what it will mean if putin uses either nuclear weapons or deliberately creates, er, some kind of crisis situation on zaporizhia ares, but the chinese are saying the same to putin, the same are saying other things, and it is precisely in this matter that there is solidarity between the west and the non-west, if you look at our war, there are not many issues where the west and

non-west clearly hold the same opinion, this is exactly such an area, and this is what should limit putin, but you never know what's in his chairman, for example, i believe that the use of nuclear weapons, or something on the military, is unlikely, but possible, and if putin feels a threat to his regime, or something else, i do not exclude some steps to increase. pond, therefore, nothing from putin and the russian regime can be ruled out, we must proceed from this, our partners and those who also talk to russia, the same chinese, must proceed from this. mr. pavle, this week a large ministerial meeting

of ministers, members of the european union, member countries was held in kyiv of the european union, there were 24 heads of foreign affairs, three did not make it to this meeting, but in kyiv they discussed the implementation plan, the reform plan that should be implemented by ukraine before joining the european union, denys shmyhal, the prime minister of ukraine, says that that our path to the european union can continue. two, he called, two years, two years, but today there was a message that the chairman of the european council, charles michel, said that ukraine can become a member of the european union by 2030, of course, there are european standards, there are there is a certain procedure implementation, including the adoption of draft laws, laws that should regulate various spheres of life in order for us

to integrate into the european union, well , the year 2030 is certainly not in 40 years, as the turks went to the european union and did not reach it, erdogan already said, we will not do this anymore, i'm sorry, waiting 40 years, in the halls in front of the european union, this is too much for us, but considering the events unfolding in our country and the war, the intensification of the war on the part of the russian federation, is this 2030 is not a far-off goal, because before then time, anything can happen in ukraine to ukraine, i mean that the russian federation will still gain some momentum in order to prevent this, because we remember what started the events of 2013, when ukraine wanted to become an associate member of the european union? well, it's not an associate membership, it's an association guess,

an associate. membership as a concept actually does not exist in the classical sense, but you are right that for putin, nato, eu are the same thing, and still in the minds of europeans and americans, there is some strange temptation to believe that putin will react less harshly to the eu, he will not react in the same way, he will try and very consistently try to make ukraine non-existent, because ukraine in the eu is against the entire ideology that he has built around modern russia, and he will absolutely not stop there , as for the reform plan, here we are simply talking about many different plans, one plan is what needs to be done as of now or

better there as of yesterday, and it is an immediate plan, which is going to be counted for months, for the next year , which refers to european union, this is actually a reboot of ukraine as such, we cannot join the eu and nato, the country we used to be, these are not pro-cosmetic reforms, and even very serious reforms that will simply be aimed at adapting european legislation, everything is fine it is clear that how the european union must change in order to accept ukraine. so ukraine must change in order to join the european union and nato and that's all, starting from the social contract, the constitution, actually

the way we live, we have finally get rid of post-sovietism, the chance, he, he is now, and there will be no other chance really, so there are critical... things for now, there are critical things for tomorrow, and there is a strategy of what is needed, what needs to be done for entry in the eu. michel did mention the deadline of 30 years, i am a big fan so that our accession is not delayed, and it cannot happen as it was before, not for nothing, in the european union they talk about geopolitical accession, but nevertheless, it is not means that they will do to us... discounts, discounts, we can and we have to move faster, we have to do more, we have to be excellent, even at the best grade there is, otherwise everyone will point fingers, be sure

to use and say, yes, they do not deserve, they are not worthy to get into the european union and in nato, therefore... this is a very, very serious story, we have to finally understand that we, we have to change. the european union, yes, it also cannot, without fundamental changes in the decision-making process, abandoning unanimity, look at the budget in a different way, in a different way look at agricultural subsidies, even now the key eu countries cannot... agree on an increase in the budget, but nevertheless, i am very optimistic about it, i am emotional about euro-euro-atlantic

integration, i have been doing this for many years, and i really want to see our flags in front of the nato headquarters and in front of the european council, this will be really, what i will consider a fantastic success, both for ukraine and the ukrainian nation, that is, something that will give us the opportunity to occupy the places that we deserve and now it is understood a lot more people than before. mr. pavle, how will the change of the european union and nato affect our progress. or let's say this way, the victory in the elections in european countries, especially in eastern european countries, of populist and pro-moscow parties, well, this is how it happened in slovakia, whether it will affect our

pace and our negotiations and our discussions about our future, bad will influence, i will even say in one sentence, there will be many different attempts to build strategies or situationally put forward conditions for us, to brussels, to set hooks, postpone something, press, that is, this process will be quite difficult, tough, cynical, and we have to prepare for it. thank you, mr. pavle, for the conversation, it was pavlo klimkin, a diplomat, a politician, a person who knows everything, or almost everything, about the foreign policy of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please like this video so that our conversation... with pavel klimkin was trending on youtube, well, take

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the scale of this problem, and as long as we remain silent, until then, these people remain invisible. invisible thursday 22:10 espresso. greetings to all the viewers of the tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval, and today i will talk with yaryna chernogus, she is a ukrainian poet , a volunteer, a soldier, a marine , a military medic, a scout of the armed forces of ukraine, a mother, and also a participant

of this year's lviv book forum. ms. yaryna, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, ms. yaryna. well, i want to start our conversation from the moment when your war began, because i i read your biography, well, as far as i could find this information about you , it is quite interesting, you wanted to go to war in 2014, but then you gave birth to a daughter, eh, when did you make a decision and when were you able to go to the army after all , see in 2019 i joined the battalion hospital corps, in 2020 i signed a contract in the marine corps , i did it first of all because i understood that there would most likely be a second phase, uh, because i understood that the oblivion that existed about

the war, and about the soviet union, in 2019, 20, 21 they made me think that there would be consequences for this, that we would be attacked again, so i wanted to be ready for this, why the hospitalists? i left the hospitallers because, first of all, i have great respect for yana zinkevich, and secondly, i was interested in trying out in the volunteer battalion whether the army is really mine, having worked there for a while in a position... yes, from the armed forces, the first brigade, with which i was, as a hospitalist in the 19th year, at the positions, it was the 36th marine infantry brigade, so i then decided to sign a contract with it with this type of troops. and what can you do

to say, is your work now different from what it used to be? well, of course, being a soldier... of the army and a volunteer unit, it's, well, especially during the oos period, these are very different things, in the army, you are completely, if you belong, yes, to the will of the commanders, you belong, to the tasks that you have to perform , you are there for an indefinite period of time, especially when it comes to such a full-scale war as it is now, you cannot choose for yourself... when to go or not to go on rotation, you do what you are ordered, you are at the disposal, that's it well, to me, in principle, this restriction of freedom, it's normal, the only thing is that our batal was two years without withdrawal on rotation, well, but after recovery, i think, we will

work as before. in 2021, the number of women in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine was about 30,000, with the beginning of the full-scale invasion of russia , the number of servicemen is increasing every day, and now there are more than 41,000 women serving in the armed forces of ukraine. but, despite this, it can be said that our ukrainian army is not adapted for women, so everything has to be decided directly on the ground, and of course, all of us we understand that there are more important issues and needs related to the equipment and equipment there, so women's uniforms, shoes, life at the front, they take a back seat, i want to ask you, from the moment you went to serve to when we speak directly in the army, not when you were in the hospital, but when you are now serving in the army, what were the main

problems you had, which you dealt with, and which problems did you have? well, um, i mean, there's women's uniforms and shoes and all that, they're not really important issues because you you can feel quite comfortable in men's clothes. well, in my case, most of the clothes i wear are unisex clothes, that is, they are suitable for both men and women, military, the biggest issue was that, well, i'm talking about myself personally, many women, can say something the other thing, for me it was more that there is a restriction on the admission of women to military positions, er, that is, you have no problems, well , no problems with problems, but maybe, but they will be hired. there, i don't know, a

signal soldier, a combat medic, maybe even a drone pilot, yes, but if you want there, for example, in a mortar or in the calculation of the ags, far from all units and types of troops are ready to do it, that is, with admission to combat positions, that is the only thing with which, as far as i am concerned, there is such a problem now, and about... everything else, well, every woman goes through a test, in every department she comes to, to prove that she can work on a par with others, well, the standard thing, if you 're not ready for it, you don't have to to go there, because trials will be everywhere, it will not be easy anywhere, that is, with you don't have any problems with life, yes, no, i even like army life, i can't say there that ah, something there worried me too much, although i was

the only woman in the company all this time, but there was no i didn't have any problems with my life there, well, i just understood where i was going, if you join the army in a reconnaissance company, well , there is nothing to hope that you will be very comfortable there, it is uncomfortable for everyone, men and women, the only question is that you allowed to do work that you love and that gives you inspiration. energy, well, these permits that you are talking about, on whom does it generally depend, on the commander, or why is this, the attitude towards women, in your opinion, well, it is generally many, if the officers of the older, especially the older generation, well, no only the eldest, there is a prejudice that since a woman is physically not as strong as a man, then she does not have, has, does not have, or... at a minimum, she should hold some such positions related to firework or something

like that, it used to be especially sharp, now i'm glad that i see some divisions where there are women are in these positions, and it makes me incredibly happy, but i wish there was more of this, of course, because for some reason they believe that a combat medic is a job specifically for a woman, although a combat medic is a very tiring job when you you work in evacuation, you have to drag the bodies of the dead and wounded, drag the backpack yourself, that is, it is far from, i don’t know, a soviet nurse, as it is sometimes understood, well, some old -style soldiers, it is much more difficult, do you think is there now a real problem that society does not understand the level of women's contribution to the struggle for the independence of our country, maybe you had such problems or misunderstandings, well, there were many such

misunderstandings, of course, despite some , some informational efforts have now begun to show that the day, which means the veil, is not only the day of the defender, and the day women defenders, despite this, military women, unfortunately, will always remain such an exception, their participation in hostilities, even if it was a very intensive, long-term participation , will be questioned, because we simply dissolve in the sea of ​​men from whom we are made. .. mainly consists of the front line, and it is simply necessary to accept it, when i came to kyiv on a business trip for a defense project, to which i was invited to advise based on my combat experience, well, including to take my daughter for the first time in four years on september 1, well, i met

a lot of cases where well, they believed that if you are a woman of the military, then you are not doing anything terrible, serious there, well, that is, there is some kind of open, i don’t know, disrespect, contempt or devaluation rather, i would say so, i have met a lot of people who are watching there read it on my social networks, i don’t even want to name it, it’s just that you have to accept that it will be like that, you don’t have to prove anything to anyone, and it helps me a lot... communication with my brothers, that is, we’ve been through it with them, i communicate with them, and i understand that these people know who i am and that we came together, why do i need someone else, to accept or still defend my rights, since i know that you are quite an active participant and have such a clear civic position , you can say a kind of revolutionary, why did you decide that

it should be accepted, and not chosen and not fought for their rights? well, the fact that i run social networks and sometimes quite uncompromisingly write about these problems is as if , i don't know, there is probably a struggle, well, forgive me, but i have already somewhat fulfilled my civic duty to ukraine in these four years, so that fight and finally prove something to someone. here is your phrase, which you just said, that you have already fulfilled your duty to the motherland, and i want to ask you, i read it very often on social networks, and maybe so, you know, as they say, word of mouth is works, when people tell, finally the military will return there from the war and restore order, i think you are a little saddened by this, and you would

like to say something to such people in response? i will say what others say, that the military will return, and tired, exhausted, without the desire to prove anything to anyone, and their smallest triggers will be taken out of themselves, but they will most likely close themselves off and have no desire to do more some work for civil society, civil society must be sensitive and be empathetic to the experience of the military and do some things for them, although of course this is a utopia, i understand that it is, the realities are such that if you want something, you have to speak about it yourself, because no one will speak for you, that is, someone will have the strength to say something, someone will not have the strength to speak, well, first of all, certainly do, not only talk, yes, of course, and do too, someone will have the strength, someone

will find in this some kind of their e, such an exhalation, and your rest someone will not want to prove anything to anyone, but yaryna is just what she is most difficult for you in this war? well, what is the same for everyone, losing those you love, that is the most difficult thing, that is, the death of brothers, yes , the death of brothers, the death of civilian friends who will die from rocket attacks, yes, it is, well, the death of relatives, uh, there, the worry that my husband will die, but many wives, many women have already lost their husbands, so i have to be

ready for that too, i will quote you now. you wrote about