nothing to prove to anyone, just yarina, what is the most difficult thing for you in this war? well, what is the same for everyone, losing those you love, that is the most difficult thing, that is, death, brothers, yes, the death of brothers, death in the same way, and civilian friends who die from rocket attacks, yes, it is, well, the death of relatives, there, worries that my husband will die, but many women, many women have already lost their husbands, so you have to be ready for that too. i will quote you now, you wrote that poetry is... my meditation is not for everyone

close, far from being understood by everyone, sometimes too personal, sometimes too distant and philosophical, but it definitely contains my truth about death, love, the border at which, er, knowledge occurs, a kind of triangle of war, and can you say in these words of yours, it clearly follows that you understand that you can die and you, right, yes, well, well , because it's a war, well, i can't say that for me, it's, i don't know, death is what can happen to you in war, that is, if you go there, knowingly, you have to be ready for it, for me, after, that's how, i had to experience it... there

were the deaths of these five people to whom this book is dedicated, here and there are more, well, for me, death is really just an experience that happens to someone earlier, to someone later, someone goes through it earlier, someone later, here and i do not treat this as something fatal, because well, if they have already come this experience, then i will be able to come, but you have a daughter at home, she is waiting for you, she is nine years old, right? well, yes, well, well, she keeps me going to a great extent, because, in general, in war, it is very important for soldiers when there is someone at home who keeps them, because if there is not, in such a war, as a rule , they do not live long, when you made this conscious choice of yours, but you wrote that it is a choice without a choice, our consent to die, you spoke with.

.. with my daughter about this , well, my daughter is nine years old, i try to talk to her carefully, not to threaten her with unnecessary things that are too early to understand at that age, because she, well, because she is a child, who was born in the first year of russia's war against ukraine in 2014, she is a lazy child, she knows she has a lot there is no need to explain things, she empathetically understands. herself, but you talked to her about the fact that you made this choice consciously, she must have asked you why mom is going, why other moms stay at home, come to school, and her mom made the choice to go to war. i have a very simple answer to this, in such a war, which the russians are waging against us, someone from the family must go to defend the state, who it will be, father or mother, each family decides, here. so it turned out that it was me, everything is clear,

but, yaryna, i want to ask you when you write, in general, during the war, when you find time to write, when there is a moment to rest, i write on the breath, all these texts, they are written in some, i don’t know, relative moment of peace, well, no one in active combat operations writes poems are you not going to go back home to the child, or will you still fight to the end to win? i might take a break if i feel like it, even just a little bit, she's at an age now where she needs me, it's pretty hard for her right now without me, if i get the chance, but i 'll come back later, i'm just in me is

understanding that this war is for decades and if there is a chance you managed to survive there for four years, you can afford a break for a second year. and then come back and everything will be the same, and what are you going to present on the book form and what will you talk about, and if we manage to get on it, then we will talk with kateryna mykhalytsyna about my collection, design, defense of presence, we will talk there with other speakers, including, by our fellow writers from europe about the language of the war in the war, about what is happening with language, how to articulate with it, a very complex military experience, to what extent it can be done and when it should be done, in what genres, but

let's talk about these borderline states that arise, also, how to convey them or not to convey them? if you were to give a speech during the war, what would you say when it is still time, because there is also a lot of discussion on this issue in social networks, which you don't understand, the military there speak russian, you don't need to pay attention to it , your siblings, what language they speak and whether you are trying, maybe you as a poet, somehow to influence them, if after all someone speaks russian, maybe they will retrain. them, to get to them, no, we don’t discuss it, i don’t say anything to anyone , i don’t make any remarks, because well, well, not like that, all grown-up people, each with his own experience speaks as he wants, we are doing one very risky

thing , and the main thing is that we do it together, who speaks which language, it’s not, well, it’s there, i don’t know, it’s not significant, it’s much more important that children are taught ukrainian language, those who are growing up now, that's because we have such a thing, like, today you are there, you won't be there in a month, or there, well, we are already there with what we came there with, that's all, i don't know anyone, i don't impose my creativity or my views, we just support each other there, everyone is just themselves and perceives the other and that's all, yaryna, where did such an interesting name for your collection come from? can you tell me, but design is

a concept from heidegger's philosophy, quite complex, one of the more complex concepts, actually in german philosophy, but also from i remember when we read it and discussed it, i understood for myself that it is design, being here and now, that is, a philosophy of life that is based on being here and now, and such a great agreement with one's destiny and one's life choice and what you. each period of time, and the defense of the presence, well, it speaks for itself, our presence in the world, this is what the enemy is trying to destroy now, here, at different levels, both at the cultural level, and at the level of some

such deep, individual, oh, because each of us who considers himself a ukrainian cannot live without this land and freedom on this land. to be fully a person, an individuality, because ukraine is a part of the individuality of each of us, that's why it is a defense of presence. i want to thank you, yaryna, first of all for your civic stance, which is quite active, for what you are doing now and what you are doing, and wish you to return home to your daughter as soon as possible. thank you very much for the conversation. ugh, we were accompanied by yaryna chornogus, ukrainian poet, volunteer, military officer, marine an infantryman, a military medic, a scout of the armed forces of ukraine and a mother,

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10% in podorozhnyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. the stories of people who were held hostage by russian soldiers are terrible stories, they abused people so much that there was simply no place for them to live. cat here in the corridor just for fun. well, that's it, we got high, let's go to bed. of course, words cannot describe the stress and shock i experienced. i prepared for the worst for two or three months, even six months, a year, i prepared for this. we do not even imagine the scale of this trouble. and as long as we are keep quiet, until then these people remain

invisible, invisible, thursday 10:10 pm espresso. i wanted to be involved, let's say, in the army even at the time in the 12th year, when i was finishing school. to serve, and i wanted to be in the army, i felt that way, i wanted something so

much, let's say, in the 18th year my dream came true, my friends said, oh, you wanted it, you, well, you did it, the choice fell on regiment, because my husband was already serving there, 18, well, at the moment, let's say, when i arrived, and that's why, that's why it was pointed out, he previously talked about it's a lot, i've already lived, let's say, with thoughts about this regiment, i already loved it, so there were no options, and before i joined the army, i was on maternity leave, mom, come on. i came to the army to be useful

first of all, because since the 14th year we had a war, i was looking for options, how i could be useful. i was engaged in clerical work, i was a clerk, it was difficult that you have a small child waiting at home, eh, it was probably the most difficult morally, i... served directly where my unit was stationed, and there was such a need, and this was in urzuf, there was such a need for me as a clerk to leave the zone, on the 24th we were going to australia, everything was calm in the place, well, relatively, let ’s say this, people are watching, leaving columns, here we are on our way. that's why everything is more or less calm, let's say so, because

i didn't leave the territory of azastal, we were in a bunker, but we had one, we occupied the territory, er, let's say so, and it was at the beginning, at beginning of... march, we felt, yes, when we started, we started to drop, at least, it was very noticeable, because we were in such a... in a basement room , the ceiling and all that started to fall, so they started, they started to fly, let's say, in the places where the rear units were, then it became clear, that we won't be here for a little while, yes, and it's not all that simple, yes.

well, we were in steel together, at first it was separate , in another bunker, and then our company joined it, because it was safer in it, we were bombed constantly, well, especially at night, we already knew that approximately at such and such an hour, she gave us commands. the ship's air artillery constantly, that is, it was constantly, somehow we were not followed, we were even there according to the dates, i don't know why , that is, there was no information, we did not have the internet in the bunker to go and send some message to our relatives, let's say this

it was necessary to go to another bunker, or to go... if there is a car, we were amazed by the fact that when we found out that helicopters were coming to our steel with help, that is, it was such, you know, a chance , to the rescue, that's the first time when i i found out, in general, that helicopters were arriving, this was during a visit to... zhelizyaku, this is ours, let's say so , that was the hospital, such information emerged that helicopters were arriving, they were bringing aid, er, medicines, even medical workers, yes

, let's say, they brought it, but it was all very risky, very everything ... it was planned too secretly so that there would be no leakage of information, we even managed to save the wounded, we expected, first of all, that they would provide us with help, and that well, proplan, to be honest, i don't think so, no. well, to be honest speaking, there were such thoughts that either we will get out of the stalemate, they will help us to get out of there , yes, well, some help will come, or that we simply, well , we will not be able to withstand the defense, and they will come to us,

and there was either death, or a prisoner, well, yes, let's say, because. but such a full-scale, yes, what does it seem like, i can’t imagine this, we were told that there are supposedly guarantors who guarantee salvation, that we will be exchanged in 3-4 months, that they will go for an exchange first, or rather immediately e will take out our fallen boys and girls, then the wounded, and then the women will be exchanged, before this was about to happen, i wrote to my relatives, i wrote that we seem to know where we are going, uh, i just said that

i will not be there for 3-4 months connection, did not give, let's say, instructions. er, but there are people to whom i informed about the death of my husband and what to do next, i asked for help, to help the parents, the son, first of all, at first we stood in alenivka, under... .' er, under this siz for a day, we were kept there, we were not released, well, then already on we succeed on the evening of the 19th and 20th, we were launched, there were inspections, such

, you know, shmoni, eh, it was, it was scary, let’s put it this way, because i don’t understand what they will do with you next, that is, they are, you know, humiliation, ridicule, all the more so when i find out that you are from the stick. attention, because you have to be either a sniper or a sniper, there are no options, well, like the army, it has to be a sniper , these are the options they have, when you explain to people that you, don’t be a slob, you worked there and, well they look at you kind of checking fingers, hands look, shoulders look, well, because, i should only be a snob.

the first days, the first days, it was a shock, because you do not understand the rules, no, you will be here, there is no information, uh, you are dragged to constant interrogations, well, morally humiliated. because there were no exercises there, nothing much, but thank god i was not mocked in valenivka, but there were such girls who were forced to work, to wash toilets there, to walk a little on their hands, so, yes, then we, let's say, were forced to work , because, if you don't work, you don't go to the shower, after eleniivka, that moment when we were transported, we were collected, the whole, well, the girls came in,

said, azov, get together, yes, to be honest, we thought it was an exchange, that , that we would be taken to the exchange, but the supervisors were walking around, saying what was there, and, well, like, what kind of exchange? you are going to taganrog, then we were all clinging to such, you know, to some thread of hope that we would still go through taganrog, but on the contrary, well, we were plunged into the kamaks, blindfolded beforehand, hands tied, one for one, let's say such a chain, they abandoned each other like that, then threw things at them. brought that one, there was a whole interesting quest, let's put it this way, that is, we were unloaded from the car, we met with

pimps, some of the girls fell from the car, hurt their knees, but some lost consciousness, well, i don't know who, because we had closed eyes proved the rules that we have to walk with, with bent, and backs, who, who will not obey, let's say, these rules, will be punished, we waited for this for a very long time, and frankly, we stopped hoping, well, when we they said to get together, yes, that's right, immediately this thought... crossed my mind that maybe it's an opun, uh, well, but when they started taking us there in cars, there,

well, they tied it, everything, uh, it started, a little panic began, because we thought that we were being taken to a prison, before we were drowned , they promised to shoot us, well, maybe it was such a joke, but you know, to us, somehow, it was not very ... it was funny , because we are hostages of the situation, like, well , it is not clear where the things were taken to us, that is , the clothes that we came there and gave out, everything, back, the bags that were there were not returned, i was carrying my husband's things, which i was able to take out, let's say , well, i didn't get anything back, hello, glory to ukraine. and i'm at home when we understand that it's an exchange, when rape.

they put them on buses, they took them off the plane and put them on buses, and they gave everyone a number, but it doesn’t matter that you go like that and think, lord, even if it was about reality, everyone worked and prayed, there was a phrase: everyone, raise your heads, open your eyes , straighten your shoulders, you are in ukraine, in the ukrainian language. uh, i don't know, it was a shock, from the fact that it's actually true, like, you that's how you discover that, honestly, glory to ukraine, glory, when they let me call my relatives, i called my father, that's her disappointment.

there was a phrase when they said that the man had not yet been brought, that is, the man’s body had not been found in ukraine yet, there is no coincidence, or they simply had not been brought to ukraine, that is, at the moment, nothing is known either, when i called my son, he did not know me recognized, well, at first i thought that maybe, you know, he was embarrassed, he long ago...' i heard, but only later they say that he did not recognize and commented that it was a joke, that it was the russians, they joke like that, like, yes, he then told me that mom, your voice has changed, and like, you have changed, each of us must fight for victory, must help the army

, if it is a free man, he must help, if it is a military man, he must fulfill his duties as much as possible, they will lick us to victory, we must fight for our prisoners of war who remained in the column, because it is difficult for them there, and well, we must do our best, apply the maximum efforts to make them as soon as possible. returned home to ukraine won there is a war going on, and not only for territories, it is also a war for minds. russia

is throwing millions of petrodollars to turn into analysis and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists, concrete facts and methods by which enemy propaganda turns people into obedient zombies. for the historical reunion. countering russian information attacks in the chronicles of information war project with olga len. tuesday, thursday, friday at 17:10 on espresso tv channel. see this week in the judicial program control with tetyana shustrova: agents of change, how vovka and yanukovych's people ended up in the competition commission of the constitutional court. these are the worst candidates there will be. volodymyr kuzmenko is directly vovka's man. but how will the european commission evaluate such a judicial reform? the reform of the constitutional court is once again under threat. watch the judicial control program on thursday, october 5 at 5:45 p.m. with

tatyana shustrova on the espresso tv channel. good afternoon to all viewers of espresso, this is news, annayeva melnyk is with you and i will start with this, the enemy launched five airstrikes in the area of ​​the city beryslav, this was reported by the head of the regional military administration oleksandr prokudin. information about the destruction and victims is being clarified. in the lymano-kupyan direction , the intensity of the storm increased.