[000:00:00;00] glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy ordenko, i congratulate everyone, today in the program, they came to the memorial service and were killed by russian missiles, a cynical attack on the kharkiv region, more than fifty dead, they are preparing revenge, great britain announced russia's intentions to replace the black sea grain. .. corridor, how can it be done and how not to allow it? support of ukraine from the usa, what to expect from joe biden's announced big speech? are we losing allies? slovakia opposed new military aid ukraine, can others refuse to help? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our

guest, a politician and a diplomat. however, before starting our conversation with mr. ogrysk, let's look at the consequences of the terrible tragedy of a rocket attack on the village of gora in kharkiv region, as a result of an attack by russian invaders, 50 people died, let's see. i don't

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who and what will stop serijno. putin's killer. so the options for answers are nato, the united states of america, the armed forces, and a bullet to the forehead. please write your option in the comments under this video. politician, diplomat and minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 volodymyr ogryzko is in touch with us. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. i congratulate you, mr. serhiy. good evening. so, mr. volodymyr, let's get started. from this tragedy, because today the russian federation committed another terrorist act against the ukrainian people, 51 people were killed in the village of groza, in the kharkiv region, and this, according to the ministry

of internal affairs, was an attack by iskander. where they were sitting and a rocket hit, on the spot...' the sbu is working, they are looking for local residents who could direct this rocket at this village, a village where 300 people live, and now, respectively, already 200, 50 or 240, and that small village, why do you think the world does not want to recognize it until now genocide of the ukrainian people, why until now even in the organization of the united nations , such terrorist attacks and the deliberate destruction of ukrainians are not perceived as genocide? i think that we should say it clearly and clearly, well, in answering your question, i do not want to influence in any way what our viewers will say, but in my

opinion... we are talking only about the armed forces of ukraine, as the instrument that will accomplish this cursed country cannot be called such a country. you know, i am a staunch liberal and democrat, but i really regret that in civilized europe now does not have the death penalty, because these inhumans, these scum, all the filth and bastards who do such things cannot even be given life sentences, they must be... destroyed forever, yes, at the same time destroyed where they came from family, to see those who lived together, who, with whom they were friends in quotes, grew up and so on,

this should become true, should become true, and also a reminder to those who raised such inhumans, well, unfortunately, we live in a different, more humane world. but most importantly what will be the punishment for this, and to your question, why is it taking so long , well, because lawyers, excuse the words, are very long in passing sentences, you see, even on simple matters, sometimes, it all lasts for years, and sometimes more, that's why i think here... you just have to be patient and although some un experts there still do not see genocide, well, nothing, i think that when they analyze more than 100,000 facts of her crimes and crimes, which are already

documented and which clearly show about what it is about, methodical destruction ukrainians as a nation, as a people, as a country, after all... i think they will find in themselves the strength and professional qualities to make the right legal decision after all, and based on very clear criteria, what is genocide, and start working in this direction , well, but i think that it is important for our human rights protection system to collect all these data, all these facts, summarize them and, in fact, initiate so that international criminal structures very clearly and clearly oriented

what it is actually about. mr. volodymyr, obviously, in addition to documenting these crimes, the international legal framework must also be changed, because until now there was a concept of a country sponsoring terrorism, but the concept of a terrorist country does not exist in the international legal field, and accordingly, if a terrorist country is ruled by a terrorist, the world is used to usually dealing with terrorists quite simply, they are simply destroyed, why in the case, why in the case of putin, there is no such solution, i think it is again for years, because, the modern international legal system is inflexible, and long-term, and i think we hardly need to think about such

the solution, it seems to me, is much more effective, which was once practiced by the israeli intelligence agency masad, when it found war criminals thousands of kilometers from israel and executed the approved sentence, i think that is exactly what our ukrainian special services, i think they are in no way inferior to masada, and their current successful operations, even under these circumstances, show that they can to some extent set an example for others, i think it will be much faster and much a fairer verdict on the bastards we're talking about now. at the time when russia... was shelling a thunderstorm, a village near kupyansk, putin spoke at the valdai discussion club, which this year was not held in valdai, but in sochi, where it is safer for the president

of the russian federation. the kremlin master himself says that the world has already crossed all possible boundaries, and that the war in ukraine is not a war for territory, but something more, listen. all possible fronts were crossed in vain, the ukrainian crisis is not a territorial one conflict, russia is the largest, largest country in the world in terms of territory, we have no interests in terms of conquering any additional territories, we still need to master and master siberia, eastern siberia, and the far east, this is not a territorial conflict, and even not the establishment of a regional geopolitical balance, vopros molchitere i... speech about the principles on which the new

world order will be based. that is, putin has already moved from the so-called svo to another stage, which is obviously not quite and not all in the world understood that putin wants to make a new world, or a new world order, as he says, a new world-building, and he sees himself as one of the architects of this new... architecture, why, mr. volodymyr, well, i guess this is a rhetorical question, why does the civilized world, and not only the civilized world, feel no threat from the russian federation and why is it so very slow to make such necessary decisions, both regarding aid to ukraine, and regarding how to stop the unauthorized flow of goods and

resources from of the russian federation, when these goods and resources are under sanctions? well, you know, mr. serhiy, commenting on this being, well, it seems to me that there is no sense anymore, eh, this is an example of such, you know, obvious sociopathy, a person who sees himself as the master of the destinies of the whole world, who arranges world affairs on the entire chessboard events, his figures, who believes that he is a heavenly person and will live forever, this is a disease, this is something that in fact is no longer cured, this is what became the basis of his worldview, apparently based on many facts including,

barefoot, e -er, leningrad childhood, er, those bandit habits that he picked up in his youth, and then continued to develop them in the kgb structures, eh, so i think it is impossible to say anything about him, it is a non-velkov disease, and we simply need to deal with it to a certain extent time... to live, and with regard to all these painful concepts and ideas, i will repeat once again that they will quickly crumble into pieces when the ukrainian army drives the russian occupier out of our land, i think that after that, truly irreversible processes of change will begin, both around putin and , accordingly, the collapse of the putin regime, and

what will happen in this post-russian territory, unfortunately, our western partners do not want to see this , they continue to think that it is more profitable for them to have a unified russia, which will be ruled by another putin or mutin and who will control this entire territory from kaliningrad to vladivostok, well, this, this is exactly that, and that is the answer. about which you, mr. serhiy, the answer to the question you asked, mr. serhiy, is precisely why they do not allow us to quickly defeat this barbaric system, eh, because, again, they are afraid the uncontrolled disintegration of russia, this does not mean that it will not happen, it will still happen, but with much worse consequences for the west, because it will once again, like after the soviet union, not be

prepared for that disintegration, well, what can i say here, for too much unfortunately, the policy of the west is not strategic, but reactive, and this is its huge, huge problem and mistake. when you talk about the uncontrolled disintegration of russia, about the consequences of this uncontrolled disintegration of russia, mr. volodymyr, in this case you are talking about the fact that part of the russian federation can go to china, especially the far east, siberia, and china will get those territories that are there, in which there is wealth, great resources, which will make china even much stronger, or are you talking about the fact that ungovernability can be with weapons, which the russian federation currently possesses, in particular nuclear weapons, because putin also spoke about nuclear weapons today at valdai, saying that we have

hundreds of missiles, in case we are attacked, those who will attack will receive hundreds of our missiles in return , that is, what is more afraid of the rise of china or nuclear weapons that could end up in someone other than putin's hands. well, come on, mr. sergey, as they say, one by one, russia at one time, back in the 19th century, seized part of northern china, appropriated these territories, and china still remembers this, draws these territories as its own on the maps of the future of china , i.e. clearly and clearly declares that under certain circumstances, and these circumstances are clear, when the putin regime begins to fall, he will, let's say,

quickly return these territories to himself, i don't think it will happen, some kind of long-term war, but using the concept of this stupid leader of today's russia, it will be a special chinese operation that will simply return what russia once took from china, relative to the other, you know, here, again, we have experience the rapid collapse of the ussr, and strangely enough, no things of that order, which are very much feared. did not happen at the event. each republic of the then ussr quickly declared that it was becoming a sovereign, independent state. well, why, let's say, after announcing it, well conditional tatarstan, or conditional dagestan, or conditional ichkeria, all others,

let's say, national republics or territorial entities on the territory of the russian federation, will not do this, they will do it. because as soon as the federal center subsides, as soon as the territories feel that it is not a threat to these territories, they act automatically and quickly, moreover, let's not forget that in each of these, if we are talking about republics now, there are their own constitutions, and gather 100-200 people and within a few hours make a decision about what the constitution... of tatarstan has an advantage over anything else that is in the territory of post-russia, this is a small problem. and so will others. therefore, i do not think that china, when it has, in front of its nose, so to speak , a suddenly formed conditional far eastern independent

republic, will have a very great interest in going further than that. what he has to get back, well, what was stolen from him, and so on , let's not forget that any of these ee new ee, republics, formations, as states, as they will be called there , may to suddenly recognize, a collective measure, and i don't think that after that anyone in china will suddenly want to attack ... there a conditional, the same far eastern republic, if it is recognized, a subject of international law, uh, so, you know, here

you just have to want, think a little ahead, want to think and predict what can happen and do things so that this uncontrollability does not happen, well, but again, we are going back to where we started, for this we need political will and a little a stream spine that would not bend from putin's next nuclear statements or his entourage, and what they will be, well, there is no need to go to fortune-telling here, this is the only last argument that is in the pocket of putin and his camarilla, there are no others, and that is why today on the same valdai, putin has already started mumbling again about what russia wants...' he said, well, it's just becoming a commonplace in all his recent speeches, he understands that he won't win the war anymore, and here's the part of his speech that you cited, once again indicates that he is ready to cede territories, well,

what if he is talking about er, russia, which has already expanded to new territories, but let's listen to what between the lines, he says: i'm ready to leave these territories to stay alive, so let's go, let's not rush, and it seems to me that after all , having new tranches , support for the armed forces, having very effective attacks by our special forces on facilities, infrastructure in russia itself, driving away the remnants of the black sea fleet not even in novorossiya, in occupied abkhazia, all this is evidence that the break...' is approaching , let's get more weapons, let's get more of the right weapons, this

it will be faster, we won't get it, it will be longer, but the perspective is clear one way or another, and that's why this creature mumbles, asks, humiliates itself, eh, and it will continue like this, and then it will simply even, it seems to me, be more. mr. volodymyr, forgive us for going back to what he is saying. this creature, but one way or another, the lives of many ukrainians depend on this creature , including the future of ukraine, because there is a large-scale russian-ukrainian war going on. regarding nuclear weapons, he said today that if no one touches us and our interests are not affected will touch it, we will not use it only for protection, but two months ago , the now deceased prigozhin, the leader of a criminal

group, wagner, spoke about the possibility of using nuclear weapons by the russians on their own territory, and this week a tv presenter, or rather, a propagandist , also announced this simanyan, she said that a nuclear strike could be carried out on siberia, let's hear what they said, they will drop a bomb on their territory, it 's scary to throw a bomb on someone else's territory, but we will drop it on our own, we will show what kind of mentally ill handsome men we are, if produce a thermonuclear explosion hundreds of kilometers away, on our territory, somewhere over siberia, for example, a nuclear explosion, then nothing will happen on earth, nothing so terrible, neither the nuclear earth, which everyone is afraid of, nor the monstrous radiation that will die. they will kill everyone around them, and those who are not killed will die within 10 years from oncology, it will be nothing, but what will happen will be that

all radio electronics, all digital, all satellites, everything will be disabled, we will return with you to hodk some ninety-third, corded telephones, two-wire, or not there was a double-header, i don’t remember, in the phone, the machine, i’ll tell you it was wonderful ... they lived wonderfully, says simonyan, well, it’s just a madhouse, and either they play the role of madmen, they just don’t have another role right now, because they already have to retreat there is no way, but does the world take such statements into account, because, as they say , what is on the mind of a sober person is what is on the tongue of a drunk, well, the same can be said that what is on putin's mind. that's on simanyan's tongue, is it possible to ask a question like that? well, you see, mr. serhiy,

the question here is really socio-psychopathic, i would say so said, because a society that looks at the past is sick, it is sick by its definition, that is, we can take our view of the past into account, learn from the past and the positives and negatives of our past, but still develop in the direction of the future, because this is the objective course of history, each generation takes a step forward relative to the previous one, and this is correct, this is how all civilizations live, except for the russian one, they defined themselves as a separate civilization, a civilization, excuse the word... painful , who wants to return from the future to

the past, and here is what we are now hearing from this propagandist and not only from her , by the way, now there in moscow they are howling about her in such a way that already, i don’t know, maybe they are exaggerating, they are exaggerating the howling of sirens, air alarm, so that she is already being declared a traitor, they don't want to kill her and quarter her, well, in a word, there is such a thing, but if we take it as a whole, then this is a society that lives in its past, that lives, that wants to go back, because there are these double-edged swords for they are more important than, than...... is a look into the future, that's why, well, here, you see, again a clinical case, but not in relation to their führer there, but in relation to the entire system , which, which was formed, again, not in the last 20 years, this is our, in my opinion, huge mistake, when we say that here and now putin came and did it, no, it began

to form from the ulus of the golden horde, from the 13th century, when the foundations of the worldview of this population were laid, and it has not changed, it has not changed during these, ages which, if counted from the same 12th century, and we must understand that they do not think differently there, this is the algorithm by which they live, and the only hope is that when this structure finally collapses, that those peoples who have the ability to start life in a new way, regardless of this moscow tyranny, will gradually begin because, again, not because of the exclusion of the next five days, where there is no financial, additional financial assistance to ukraine, then the change of the speaker, parliament, or at least the lower house

of congress, kevin mccarthy, and everyone is now waiting for biden's speech and a public speech, because we know that before that he spoke in the phone booth in a conversation with his partners, both in nato and in the european union, and representatives of the european union were in this conversation, he explained his position on the future, support for ukraine, and the press secretary of the white house, or the spokeswoman of the white house, karin jan, said at the briefing that there will be a special address, and biden will explain to the american people and the us congress how important it is to continue providing financial and security assistance to ukraine

of america regarding aid to ukraine, answered yes. as for the united states, i was in washington this year and i had a meeting with president biden and i heard his 100 percent support from the white house and bipartisan support in congress. i think this is important. of course, a difficult election period for the united states, different voices, some voices are very strange. mr. volodymyr, what do you think? the current situation in the congress of the united states of america, of course, now they will obviously have an election for the speaker, the house of representatives, and obviously this election will be delayed, because we see that the votes that were against kevin mccarthy were the votes of both democrats and republicans, and here the question is who will now come to replace him, because

everything will depend on the speaker , including house of representatives, because he is the third most important person in the united states of america. er, you see, mr. serhiy, i think that, well, we don't need to fall even before the shot, because already today, everywhere you look, you hear everything, betrayal, the end, we won't have help and so on. well, at least on... as of today, if american sources are to be believed, there is another five,