[000:00:00;00] they can lead to the fact that they will just, so to speak, sabotage some things , well, that is, hiding from the army, not doing a certain job in production, you know, passively withdrawing from everything, doing harm, surrendering in the end, and these are important things, and if we return again to these fears of theirs, it is with these fears that he tries. now it's russian propaganda, well, the first fear is actually shelling of russian territory, drone flights, it's clear here, they either don't tell at all, or tell that everything is not so scary. the second fear that they have there is the supply of weapons to ukraine, and here , of course, interesting things have already happened, because they simultaneously tell that ukraine kroum wants weapons, and try to tell about the fact

that the weapons of ukraine. there is no way to give, but now the most widespread thesis is that there are not enough weapons in europe, there are not enough weapons in the world for ukraine, and therefore ukraine will not be given these weapons, because they are not there, as if, there is really nothing to transfer, that's all, что есть, it is long, long ago, first of all, it is old in for the most part, its ego is very small, it has always been like a small component of the big us army for the last 30 years, that is... what is the current problem of the entire nato bloc, if you do not take the usa, for 25 years they considered themselves as an annex to the big american army , that is, if there is any military task, a large american army will come, and we will supplement them, they need five squadrons, we will gather five squadrons in europe, we will send them to iraq or to libya or to yugoslavia, they need battalions there, we will collect we will send, but when it turned out that there is a big european war, where it is necessary not

to collect and send, but where it is necessary. to have at least 150-2000 ground troops there, to have a few hundred of your planes and a few hundred of your tanks, and you have all this, well, about 10% of what is needed, your military plants have long since extinguished their furnaces, they don’t cook armor, you understand , the guns don't drill, all this has to be started again, and here there is still this dwarf running around who says, give a billion, give a billion, you understand, and you have to, in general, it is impossible to give money, because it's poor. it is necessary to somehow ask to explain what we are for, of course, but we cannot give it, that is, when they say it , you must understand, they say it not even for us, they say it for their population, it is an attempt to convince their population, that there is nothing to be afraid of, it doesn't work out very well, because no matter what they say, still a huge part of their population there, about 70%, continues to be afraid of the supply of weapons,

well, they themselves heard why, because there is no good talk about the fact that there is no who, there are no weapons, well , it's funny, there are a lot of them, the fact that ukraine has them they do not give as much as we would like, this does not mean that it is not there, i would say yes, it means that they are just thinking whether it is worth it or not, whether escalation is not escalation, but these are completely different arguments, no way the fact that it is not there, the next thing, it turns out, is that the russians are so afraid of a counteroffensive, that is, after all the talks, that the counteroffensive did not succeed, anyway... a huge part of the population of russia , more than 50%, continues to fear a ukrainian counteroffensive, and here the talks in their tvs are also simply beautiful, because at the same time they manage to say that the counteroffensive failed, that literally the russian army is already advancing, and at the same time, well, it turns out that somehow not, if you look at what is actually

happening, the direction still remains one of the hottest. in the zaporozhye direction, the enemy is now trying to press systematically, this is a job where they just go out there, take pictures , as a matter of fact, and nothing else happens there, in the kupin direction, there are some successes, advances, we remember at some point, already started to count kilometers to kupinsk to kharkov, and then as if this activity stopped. we have kupyansk there a little... the offensive has been swept away and there are no big successes yet , and not only that, they somehow do not come out very well to talk about the fact that they have progress, now they are still talking about the fact that there will be some terrible landing across the dnipro and he will go somewhere further to the kherson region. in the kherson direction, in the area of ​​responsibility of three tactical groups of the armed forces of ukraine,

normandy, grom and yamaha, the operation to occupy the island zone and to squeeze us out of the approaches to the left bank, to create plotsdars on the shore, most likely, in the next one and a half to two weeks , a decision will be made on a large-scale amphibious operation, both from the kindburg spit and from the nova kokhovka side, to drop sabotage and development groups, force the coast captures the main population centers and communication routes in the territory of the kherson region, therefore now the amaha, grom and normandy tactical groups are carrying out the task of preparing a bridgehead for the landing, it's quite difficult, such things that are related to stories, well, regarding the battlefield, they actually affect their army, ours, but it's interesting, how are you, i want to talk about it with viktor treuboov, he is a major of the armed forces, my

colleague, a journalist , that is, the most interesting thing is, actually, why are they all this, congratulations viktor, why are they saying all this, that is , why are they trying to tell on the one hand that nothing has been achieved. and they frighten their own population and their own army with these stories about the fact that right now there will be a jump across the dnipro, and moreover, there and landing in the crimea and many, many more things, congratulations olya, please forgive me for the possible delay, because i am getting old here, so there may be certain problems with communication, and they say this because something needs to be said, they say this is because it is necessary to fill in the actual order with something. daily, and when the agenda consists of the fact that your troops are retreating, and retreating in all directions and essentially suffering great losses, then you should at least play strategists, or tell how you will defeat the enemy later, or tell about

some plans there, just distracting from what is happening here right now, right now no one is landing on the kinbor spit, here right now the russians are hitting near bakhmut... the russians are hitting in the tokhmat direction, and actually the russians tried to do something on kupyansk, but tutdachala, well, besides that, and everything else, well, besides the fact that they tell what is happening there, they tell exactly what is happening, for example, in the avdiivka area, they now have a new story about what, here and there, is being activated in avdiivka district, and if we have it, it is also interesting, because the way they talk about it, you know, the hopes, about it is interesting, let 's see, the sides are getting ready for a new round

of the battle for avdeevsky ukraine. the manning of our troops in this area is 100%. we are only waiting for the order to be given for a forceful operation to occupy the avdeivskoye fortified area. it remains only to hope that this time it will not be undertaken head-on, perhaps the contours of operations will be somewhat different than before. hope is beautiful, yes, i mean i hope we don't bury any more there, airborne brigades in packs, as it is usually done, well, of course, hopes are in vain, but this is from the same thing as you said , that is, nothing happened in kupyansk, well, let's talk now about avdiivka, well, in fact , it is like that classic russian film, but we can't do anything about the ministry of defense, so let's look for gudzik. here they are looking for button. and, i think, also, this week, you know, it became very interesting to see

how successful, for example, this operation turned out, in relation to when the pilot is russian, russian helicopter was flown by this helicopter to ukraine from russia, a month has passed. this month, russian propaganda, well, in principle, did not respond to all this, and suddenly, this week, well, at the end of last week, on sunday, a big story came out, where they started talking about it, then they started talking on other tv shows, and all this was accompanied, their main message was that we , we are threatening this pilot, a month passed, i mean, nothing bothered them, suddenly after a month they started to, well, you know,

classic stories about how we have long arms, for betraying a family, for hijacking a helicopter, especially for killing military pilots, the traitor kuzminov will not be forgiven, and as the representative said... the investigation of his crime does not have a statute of limitations, all pilots who are fighting now in their zone, they dream of revenge for the death of their comrades in arms. special forces officers of the main. the authorities of russia, not that names, even callsigns, these soldiers cannot be called, they have gone through all the armed conflicts of the last 25 years, oh fate kuzminov is spoken calmly and confidently, the order has already been received, and its execution is a matter of time, our hands are long, there is a desire to solve a problem with him in the air, well, i have a completely different specifics, so i would definitely be on the ground with him, well, they were going to meet for a month ,

to tell it all, why? well, maybe they just have long arms, everything else is not so good, i don't know, here here here here seriously, it looks more like some very funny piaraction, well okay, what if the order has already been received, why the order has not been carried out yet, what let's wait, guys, and right away it is clear that this is not what we are talking about about some agents there, actually, who will be about... i don't know how, at one time, soviet agents caught people from bandera around munich, and we are talking about some spetsnaz, these spetsnaz are supposed to kidnap him, i understand, well, what are we doing with that , and regarding the fact that the crime does not have a statute of limitations, it seemed that there may not be, but russia does, that is why there is such a dichotomy, well, but i am rather interested in something else here, the fact that for a whole month they were thinking about how to react to it in general, indicates the fact that they

had time to analyze whether it was disseminated in the troops, that is, how it was received troops, and judging by this, the troops took it as such a hint that hmm, maybe this is an option, maybe this pilot is like that, well, there is a good option for imitation, but it seemed so to me, so at first they thought that it would be possible not to mention about this, and then they were forced to mention it, because they discovered that this example happened somehow, well , most likely, it really did, most likely, they just hoped that it would not leak out at all to, i don't know, to the common people soldiers, when it turned out that there was a leak, then it is necessary to somehow counter-react, to tell that you have already got yours, although in reality , it is not so much, let's say such serious words, until... someone really got someone else, if they really could

do something, they really would , at least tried to kidnap him, or somehow punish him, since this did not happen, i do not think that it will be taken seriously, even by those who are now actually thinking about what to do next, but it is interesting that the main message after all became, you see, in the reaction, it is an attempt to intimidate those who will try to imitate this one example, and in principle, well, this is indicative, that is, no, there is nothing to appeal to, only fear, well, what kind of gingerbread can be here, it is absolutely logical that if a person is paid money, much more than what he can earn for all his life, well, well, at least during his entire military career, many will have this thought, what gingerbread can be opposed to this, it remains to oppose the whip, that's the only thing they can do, that 's what they trade. well, you know, here i am also

interested, to look a little from the other side, well , that is, the other way around, also the last month of the russians are very actively trying to carry out their campaign aimed at the ukrainian army, also with some whole there, calls to surrender there, well, they are making up a wave there, not a wave there, i don’t know what, the whole story they unfolded, they are. they are on their tv broadcasts, well i am, well, it is very rare when i see a tv broadcast where they did not mention this, it is a very important company for them, and uh, firstly, why is it so important to them, secondly , and to what extent it is able to influence, not influence on something, well, if it had any effectiveness, then they already showed on the same programs dozens of ukrainians who defected, i think it will end with the fact that they

will simply start hiring actors to play these ukrainians, but for now nothing even there is nothing similar and close, which means that nothing works, why? well, i think that someone presented this project as effective, someone is responsible for it, this someone probably wants to show that there is, there is, there should be some effect, this is what system we have deployed, but for now, well seriously, i don't even technically see how it would work. the fact is that in order for someone to come over to your side, you need to connect at least with the prisoners, and since all ukrainians see how people look after being captured and in russian captivity. then everyone has an absolute understanding in their heads of what will happen to you if you try to go somewhere, even if you survive, even if you just don't get shot, actually at the very attempt, well, you will be the defenders of mariupol, you will be like people , who were captured on the occupied territory

territories, and well, look at the photos yourself, they are similar, somehow not very inspiring, isn't it, well, actually. a photo appeared of one of the defenders of mariupol, who they, they are trying to hold trials against the defenders of mariupol, and it is very clearly visible that this is a person who, well, we saw such photos last time, i guess vasventsimi saw them, and these were exactly those photos , which people were released there , with well it is absolutely one and the same, it is absolutely one and the same, i do not want to show it, well but it is also the same, you can find it wishes well, absolutely terrible, besides, i think that there is also a psychological story that is very important here, that a recent case, when some guy, who was detained for something like a broken prison or something, just came to the police station there, kadyr with his son

and they beat, it goes, well, that is, it is such a bright demonstration that no protection works, there are no rules, that is, you can be... taken, promise something, then someone will come, they will simply beat you, kill you, that anything can happen, and this is what i think campaigns on russian television, these facts, they are self-sufficient, that's what the whole point is, well, here you can simply compare the people who are in captivity in ukraine, others are returning from this captivity, and ukraine shows them, and with people who actually at the same time, they are in russian captivity , whom... russia also cannot help but show in one way or another, and who among us actually wants to be in the place of a person in russian captivity, in the place of a person in ukrainian captivity, i think many russians would like to be . conditions, at least not

worse than in their homeland, and it is true, yes, there are so many people there and they are cheerful enough, but at the same time, look, at least they are feeding normally, yes, but at the same time, look, well , no matter how much they do, it seems like there is a lot of support, 70% support, but at the same time support for the mobilization itself , and the fear of mobilization is very high, but if you look at their latest polls, there is a fear of mobilization, well, it is even growing constantly, and how to work with it, because when we talk about all these fears that exist. well , that is, these are the three basic fears, that is, they are afraid of shelling of russian territory, russians are afraid supply of weapons to ukraine, because they understand that if ukraine has weapons, then the war will not just be the killing of ukrainians, they will surrender, and if the ukrainians surrender, well, it will come to you, well, everything is very simple, it is

dangerous, and the third, fear mobilization, because you want to watch the war on tv and support it on tv, you don't want to participate in it. what can we do in this regard and what can we offer the russians in this regard, how should they behave? well, which one, i would say yes, which one i wish, oh, me i will formulate the desired model of behavior that we should have, we should show them how they should do, we have already given as an example, with this pilot, take the equipment and go to the ukrainian side. good, i think, a good model of behavior, it is necessary to advertise in every possible way and show what else , either as a polovtsy, or as an army, or simply hide from the army, because it is absolutely obvious that why would such a beautiful man die for a village in the zaporizhia region, if i i can

understand that i have to die for the village zaporizhzhia region, i can understand that other ukrainian soldiers should die for a village in zaporizhzhia region, but i don't know why it's more expensive for you to die for it in six time zones and zaporizhzhia region, and i don't really understand why a guy from some penza like, and even from moscow, the zaporizhia region is so dear to you, and i don't think that i think that life is a little more expensive for you, so it's actually just conveying the idea that this wine is a little bit not in their interests. we are no longer talking about some there, i don't know restoration of greatness, about some there national ideals, and it is about your personal decision about your life, not about the course of the country there. as for your life, do you want to die in zaporizhzhia, do you not want to die in zaporizhzhia, if you are ready to give your life

, okay, but i have a suspicion that maybe i am not ready, that maybe, well, it's a mess for you, boys from moscow, well, to what extent do you generally, well, for example, consider it realistic to achieve, well, such a disruption, as if mobilizing , disrupting them, well, replenishing your own. how realistic is the goal, and this is curling, there's this very stupid sport of mine that i love, but i'm still in olympic curling, where one idiot throws this iron flying and the other two idiots in front of it skate and rub the ice to make it go either slower or actually faster, then this iron is already on the ice, and all we can do is to make it go faster or slower , in any case, mobilization in the russian federation will fail, and because the russians, like

nadina, for some reason do not want to die, we can, unless this process, somehow strengthen if we we will take reasonable actions, or on the contrary, we will not intensify if we take unreasonable or senseless actions, and yes, the question is only in proportions, the only question is how many people we will succeed, how many... people we will succeed in proving that the idea itself is bad , they are mobilizing someone in any case, there are no questions, they are not mobilizing everyone, there are no questions either, the question is only in the percentage, somewhere in this gap between everyone and no one, well, it seems to me that in our situation, which is, very important in general of both, and on both sides, understanding, you know, prospects, because uh, the desire to fight further, well, again, we can impose, but russia is very good in this respect

, after all, it is imposed on germany, even if hitler's germany loses the war , still they continued something there, well, that is, there was no such thing as someone rising there, overthrowing hitler, you know, and everything, and they stopped like that, the coup did not happen, that is, what happened in the first world war with germany, in world war ii did not happen to her. and i i don't think that we have the opportunity to hope that this will happen, i believe that we still need to accept the concept that the influence on the population of russia should encourage them first of all to quietly sabotage what is happening, and for that , in order to encourage them to do this, it is necessary to very clearly give them , well, such an understanding of the perspective that they cannot... cannot win the war, and here it is very interesting that this has already become a problem for the russians,

because, yes, they every day they repeat, we will win the war, we will win the war, we will win the war, but there was such a person literally on the other day, solovyov’s explanation there, when he tried to tell on the air that we, that russia did not lose territory, that it did not lose the beginning of the war, let’s see, because it is certain to a certain extent... such an extravaganza, let’s take a look, is we have this plot, er, it's there , business- solovyov tells about how, ah, it's clear, we won't see it, unfortunately, we won't see it, it's a pity, i'll retell the gist then. in the fact that he began to tell that russia did not lose territory at the beginning of the war, they all

voluntarily retreated, moreover, their treacherous ukrainians deceived, and it was not a military defeat, and accordingly, that there is no need to fear a military defeat, and this was, you know, such news for me, that is , in fact, he began to discuss the issue of a military defeat... russia, or, well, or this is really, you know, the kind of thing that we have to work more, more, more on now , we literally have half a minute left, uh , yes, yes, we have to work in this direction, although i have to tell you that in fact, there was a so-called facility in germany on july 20, 1944, when hitler was tried to kill, it just didn’t work out, that’s why in all directions , it seems to me that we need to work, both with ordinary russians, and with russian elites, and with regional elites, something

will shoot out, it’s always like that, you put it into everything, but shoot something, let's see if they actually have a weak point and where they run. that's it, well, our time is up. thank you, viktor trygubov, well, we will meet with you tomorrow, and actually, that's how we think, we need to work with the population of russia. see you when pain stops time, choose afida max with arginine sachets faster than in tablets. there are discounts on afida max 10% in travel ban and savings pharmacies. nose treatment, let's start with washing, then, meridose is taken, injected into the nose. water from the ocean cleans everything so diligently, caring for the nose, as always maridosa.

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