[000:00:00;00] as a systemic phenomenon, corruption in ukraine, not only locally, but to punish some minister, deputy minister, anyone, a military commissar, but if we are talking about such a systemic phenomenon, precisely in the highest echelons of power, uh, you understand, uh, we, if you really want to, then anything can be done, yes, that's why it is really possible to fight, because we have a long history of society's record of this, and even in war conditions, there is such intolerance to this issue, that's why, and we always have. it was the same as ours, we have reforms when they pass, when the society is like this is rising, yes, what happened with the issue of european integration , yes, for the first time, when we said our voice that we want europe, it sounded like that, it was 2004, it was the orange revolution, in 2014, we are already like that in us a revolution of dignity, no, we can't do that, so if there is something here, well, there are such questions, somewhere there will be some kind of slip-up, i think that civil society will react strongly to this, so

m... us, i think , it will still be possible to overcome this systemic corruption, but taking into account those that society will also understand that corruption is a reverse process , those who take and those who give, absolutely, so we will, i think, somehow we need to rethink this issue in society itself, that we won't give, they won't take either, maybe that's why i think we will go through this process anyway, we will be an expert on international issues and oleksandr levchenko, a diplomat, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in the republic of croatia, gentlemen, we congratulate you, congratulations, and let's take the first question, for sure, mr. oleksandr, let's go to you, according to your feelings, there is a consensus in the eu regarding the start of negotiations on

the membership of ukraine, feelings, how? well, i would like it to be, we have an official budapest, hungary, which, who knows, how it will behave, it seems to be against ukraine's membership in nato, the european union, it seems to have a more calm position there, well, meanwhile, in the last at the moment it is not possible to rule out some kind of blocking of this issue, but i think that this will not happen after all, i expect... the end of october, so to speak, the decision of the europeans, respectively, regarding how ukraine fulfilled these seven recommendations of the europeans, and so to speak, we hope that the assessment will be positive, in any case, prime minister shmigal believes that ukraine has provided sufficient, systematic and

explanatory... answers to our partners who they should be satisfied by the studio, ugh, mr. bohdan, the same question to you, your feelings, what your observations say, is there really some common denominator, reached him inside the eu. i believe that it is really necessary to wait for the interim, although this will already be the final assessment of ours european partners, i think it will be positively balanced. unequivocally, because we have really done a serious piece of work, and in the directions that were voiced there verbally in the summer, we have finalized a lot, indeed there about national minorities on by-laws, the focus will be directed and certain actions are already being developed there, the higher the qualification commission, the higher council of justice, i.e., we also feel progress with the legislation, and you know what makes me

feel positive, let's say, that for european politicians, it is also important to enter the pre-election races on an optimistic note, namely in 2024 there will be elections to the european parliament, so in principle , this mood, let's say, which is really felt, especially in the european parliament, it has always been quite progressive, open, i think also for mrs. ursola in the european commission, will be a good, you know, final stage, it is to open negotiations with ukraine and, in principle, to move in this direction quite quite dynamically. therefore , my assessment is quite optimistic, although indeed i agree that there may be some surprises, and now as we are observing it is not only possible with hungary, because the elections in slovakia have come, there will be a coalition there now , yes, there are certain risks, again in the context

of issues that concern ukraine. let's talk, by the word of mrs. lyudmila, you see now a real political will regarding ukraine's accession to the european union, we understand, for example, about joining the alliance, the north atlantic. they regularly say that it should definitely be postponed until after the war, integration and joining the european union can happen during full-scale hostilities, well, i think that we will integrate during full-scale hostilities . , what i want to note is, look, in the summer, when we were given a candidate in june, but in the eu members, literally in a few weeks, there were conversations among all european politicians, and there some said, well, 50 to 50, what will they give you there, or even 80 to 20, even some of our friends there, politicians they said, no, only 20% will be given, but it happened, yes, so here, we will still

be optimistic that it will also happen, that - negotiations will really begin, because, you know, earlier, when we started these all the processes, even i say that from the fourth year, then if we asked, here we are, take it. take us, and europe, we have had such a constant process, we want to you, and you are us, we want to europe, we want europe, and you need to carry out such reforms there, but now we must understand that the situation is different, this is the entry into europe, this is not the entry of the european union in the 20th century, this is completely different, well, you have a representative, an ambassador from croatia, because by the way, croatia is the last to enter the eu in the 13th year, in principle, it is from 13 of the year, the eu did not pass anything from there, therefore, and even if we also take into account the latest statements that the eu enlargement commissioner said just a few days ago, he also said that in a few weeks they will present a new approach to the expansion of the european union union, let's see what kind of

approach it will be, and even expanded the funding to the candidate countries, so that they can more easily pass the path of this integration , which is access, first of all, to their own market, to the eu, therefore , taking into account all the messages that sound from the european union, yes, indeed, there is a problem with hungary, but we have diplomacy , which ours works very well, we see how it goes, because these are eu countries after all, they are in this family, and in the eu there are enough regulators for their countries, for their members who are there, so after all, i will build that we will pass this way, yes, as they say, maybe there will be somewhere some nuances, but still we will get positive conclusions, and this path will be even faster, because than other countries, because also... i will state that this is the 21st century, these are completely different conditions, and ukraine really, this the only country that joins the eu under different conditions, it joins under conditions of war, so the eu also needs ukraine now, because it is a kind of

driver of the eu that forces it to make reforms, because whenever we hear that the eu a new approach to expansion is being worked out, but it sounds, we are now watching how things are going literally yesterday, yes, the defense was announced about all this, and there are the countries of the european union in this alliance, that is, ukraine really, as the president says, can become such a defense, the hub of all this, therefore , taking into account, they say, many such nuances, everything after all, the eu is just as interested in us as we are in them, a beautiful thesis for a word, let 's talk about the terms, if you don't mind, here is a literally fresh statement from the new representative of the european union in ukraine, from kateryna materynova, katarina. maternovy, provided the current pace of reforms is maintained, ukraine can join the european union in 2030, as this is a realistic term, exactly what mrs. kateryna said.

mr. oleksandr, for you, this date, whether it scares or reassures , we can hope that, for example, the introduction will happen sooner, or 2030 is a completely realistic deadline, of course, we would like the sooner. i wish it was earlier, at the last summit, there are the western balkans, with the participation of the president of ukraine, er , 2030 was announced as the date for the integration of all the western balkans of ukraine ee into the european union, that is, this is the extreme point, you see, the new ambassador of us placed at the extreme point, although he said that it is optimistic, but we are at the extreme point. in the western balkans, six countries, there alone, north macedonia, montenegro have made very serious progress, followed by serbia, albania, and

kosovo and bosnia and herzegovina are far behind, that is, kosovo and bosnia and herzegovina, which have not yet started negotiations, so they are supposed to join in the 30th year, and here we say that we will start after all. talk, the newly arrived ambassador tells us, and you are in your 30th year, so i don't really like her position, to be honest, that it puts us at the extreme point, at least with this...' hand , where serbia and albania are closer to them , so to speak, and this is realistic, at least in the 29th , at least in the 29th well, the federal chancellor of germany also said that not earlier than the 29th, well , let's give it the 29th, although the 30th is the bar that has already been set, the final bar of the fact that everyone is already lagging behind. should enter there

as full members, mr. oleksandr, you mentioned that croatia, where you were the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, exactly, it's the year 2013 , if i'm not mistaken, when you actually, actually, were in the term of office as an ambassador, how long did it take in croatia, the whole, the whole way from submitting an application to joining. well, there for eight years, i think that’s all, it didn’t happen, unlike the previous expansions, which went in waves alone, and it’s more difficult, in principle, for one country to go, ukraine, so we are together with the western balkans, and probably moldova in this process, that's why it's a little bit organized, it's kind of easier, it's like, uh, it will depend

from how we will close these negotiating, negotiating chapters, it was very confusing in croatia that in the 12th year they had no idea whether they would clean up at all or not, then, somewhere the process went, some kind of quick decision-making and and they were accepted as such, i emphasize, until the last moment there are always some countries criticizing and so on , you know that even one vote can block the entry of your country, it went alone, and it was more difficult for it, given the fact that on its own we are carrying this terrible war on our shoulders, i think the process will be a bit slow here organizationally simpler, i hope that our negotiating team will be professional, and the most important thing is how the ministry will cope with the tasks that will be in the directions, there is the economy, the legal system,

political reforms, and of course, these are all law enforcement, what you they mentioned there, the fight against corruption and so on, studio, mr. bohdan, we can also ask you, your opinion about the year 2030, as the date of possible probable accession of ukraine to the eu, at least, according to the opinion of the new eu ambassador to ukraine, panikaterina motarnova , for you 2030 is very far or not or is it close? well, you know, i am very, let's say, realistic about this process, because it is not idle, only after we open negotiations, really, and here i absolutely almost never give estimates in terms of time, there in years , and i explain why, because ukraine's accession to full membership will be facilitated by two key factors, even ... that is, yes, it is a war, the context of the russian-ukrainian

war, its end, the second factor is our internal changes, unequivocally, regardless of that, we see that our western partners, the european ones, they are also quite picky now and quite pointedly set certain tasks for us, and here we need to understand that we also internally feel that this is also within the framework of our transformation of the country, towards the democratization of an even greater, yes, to institutional capacity. to issues related to the social, economic component, and the third key factor is how the configuration will take place, what will be the mood inside the european union, because as shown by the experience and practice of enlargement of these stages that took place there in the 90s and 2000s, in principle, they were

more favorable in a geopolitical way, i will say so. now it has become more complicated, so here, i think we have to do our own thing, despite sometimes assessments, statements, statements are not always really super optimistic in the context of the terms, now i would watch, i also analyzed what the key candidates from of political families running for office in the european parliament elections, there are already certain such statements. they are also, let's say, somewhere close to of the 30th year, so here the process may take a little longer than we would like, and we remember, for example, for the same poland, that is , it went through the negotiation process for 10 years, also not a very short period of time, but it helped poland will really then use its membership as effectively as possible to change the country itself, for financial revenues, to reform

the institutions there, to fight the same corruption, so i actually hope that we, i believe, taking into account the priority, yes, we will do as much as possible from us it depends on working with the capitals of the eu member states, not only with the european institutions and bureaucrats, yes, who represent these european institutions, but with the capitals and politicians, political forces that form certain governments, because their decision, their mood, let's say so, yes, and a lot will depend on the willingness to change eu policy to such a more open expansion. ugh, and here, ms. lyudmila, i would like to talk about such issues that may become, well, let's not get in the way, but which may be sensitive in the matter of ukraine's accession to of the european union, we see what the situation is, for example, with the ukrainian harvest in poland, and how real, let's say, is

the accession of ukraine a threat to certain countries that already have certain roles in the european union, let's say so, well - eh, he understands, we understand well that every european country thinks about its own, about its internal politics, about its economy, and it really looks at ukraine with some kind of pre-war, because we are, after all, a big country, we have a great nation, that is, us, even where we have people who left, ukrainians, but this after all, it doesn't matter, we are a very big country for the european union, but that's why the european union will work now. er, let's say this, how ukraine will join the european union, and even the statements of european politicians about this sound now, that we well understand that ukraine is a big country, that this has never happened before, that the country was joining on such a scale, and plus, we take into account the fact that we are the only post-soviet country , which is now entering the european

union with all its baggage, but they are now, that is, we are making reforms, but also the european union for what it does. their internal reforms, regarding the entry of a country like us, and i believe that taking into account all this, therefore, the development of these reforms that will be in the european union, the countries will not need to worry much about how we will be, yes, they are worried for its internal economy, but i think that certain regulators will be set up, certain markers will be set up so that ukraine is not so concerned about this issue, so even , look, here is poland's statement, the last one, yes, this is what they are declaring, yes, it is clear , we have some there are questions about our grain, but with regard to the european union, that's how they sound, some of them, we still don't like it, but the main position of poland remains unequivocal, yes, ukraine is part of europe,

ukraine will be in the european union, they will to support it, so we will really see how it will be in the future, but i think that if europe. already makes such statements that it will reform its legislation, so before worrying about those countries that will be against something, we will do our best, yes, and we have our myth, which in principle works very well, our ambassadors, who are now there conveying our position, and it will somehow work out further, so we will somehow add it as it will be, let's talk about what actually wins is the world of introduction e ukraine to him, well, what will ukraine win, on the other hand, we hope it will definitely not lose, mr. oleksandr, what will the eu, ukraine win, well, to a certain

extent, i agree, the question is that it will be a crucible in how this war will end, you understand, of course, that if we win confidently. then these negotiations can go much differently, because it will all be raised and so on, ukraine was still able to stand up and fully defend its territorial sovereignty and so on, it is going quite quickly, here is the other thing, well colleagues, i want to say that it is necessary to understand that the negotiations are being conducted with by eurobureaucrats, not with the countries, but already at the end , when the results are being drawn up, then no one from the countries is included in the negotiating chapters, since you have already joined, you have already been admitted to these negotiations, you negotiate, that's it. there are no questions and delays and so on,

they did it, well, they didn’t, let’s do it a little later , and yes, the process is going on, the question has been raised about whether there is an added cost of ukraine’s accession to the european union, so we are winning, this added cost is huge, although it is more of a military and political nature, not economically, but the european union estimates that it is actually on the territory of ukraine. the war was started based on european values , that is, moscow does not accept them at all and so on, in fact with these values, it seems to be fighting against the ukrainian people, in fact, against against europe and so on, as they say, that is, it all means that we have defended these values, we share them, and we know how to defend them, so this is a huge added value, a huge added value. and this will definitely be taken into account, even this factor can already cover many, many other things

, ugh, well, it is clear that some countries there are not very excited when a country with a powerful agriculture and so on comes, ee meanwhile, pre-political the decision has already been made, and that frictions occur periodically between countries, they are constant quarrels happen. the same poland constantly quarrels with germany , and not a year goes by without something happening between them, that is why these issues are resolved politically, through the negotiation process and so on, er, so - ukraine carries on to ourselves, so to speak, the entire burden of this war, and if it ends successfully, already this , the added value covers all possible approaches there, critical attitudes and so on, the way

opens, we will close the negotiating chapters faster, and i think that we then we can to go to this first group from northern macedonia and montenegro, and it may not be the 30th year, but somewhere in the 27th-28th, the main thing is that we need this victory of the studio. ugh, thank you, mr. oleksandr. in your opinion, the year 2027, i would very much like, in fact, oleksandr levchenko, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of croatia in 2010-17 , was with us. thank you very much. i would also like to discuss with you, ladies and gentlemen, such a thesis, which is often used by russian propaganda, in particular, that the european union is no longer strong, that as an institution, it is a relic of the past, really, and whether, let’s say, what can be supported there, for example, such a point of view in theory

? propaganda purpose, please, mr. bohdan, let's start with you, and then we will summarize everything with you, okay, well, first of all, the european union is the best project in history in general, which was formed on the territory of europe, as we remember let's figure out what the reasons were for this, this is the second. the war, the consequences this war is catastrophic not only for the european continent, therefore, during the transformation of the european community, there was not a single war on the territory of the european union, yes, there were, unfortunately, the balkans on the territory of europe, but not on the territory of the european union itself, so this means that this is indeed an imperfect union, but at the same time it is the best that was formed by politicians, let's say , by european societies for many decades, there are

indeed certain challenges that are precisely related to internal processes, transformations within the european union, decision-making, yes, consensus, for example, so that every country, regardless of whether it is big or small, how many deputies it has in the european parliament, it had the right to vote and the right to influence the decision-making process, here is certain... let's say points that can be worked out more effectively , key leaders are talking about this now, i think, for the new post-election stage, the european community will come up with certain reforms, because they are already absolutely necessary, what about stability, well, we saw certain challenges that were connected with brexit , with the exit of great britain, but still the european union coped, so let's hope that in the future this stability, the balance that needs to be maintained internally between countries that are quite

different , sometimes with different interests, with different economies and development, on average between rich and poor countries, this balance needs to be preserved and multiplied, so what i said, first and foremost, is really space, the european union, in which the standard of living quite high, and i think the citizens of the european union value it first of all, free movement, directly, yes, security, although on the one hand the european union is not exactly a matter of security, more of nato, but at the same time you need to understand , that indeed, this is such an antagonistic organization precisely to the autocracy of potinism, which always considers the european union as a threat to itself, and at a certain point traded with the european union quite fruitfully, but again, valuable, they were completely different poles, so to speak, and it remains , now even more

ugh, ms. linola, you agree, well, yes , i can really agree with... and add that before the war, we all remember the discussions that went on and the claims already to the european union, then they were the same as before the claim to nato, and do we need a nato alliance or the european union, we need such an institution, and since there were a lot of all kinds of disagreements among countries, there were many issues of ukraine to brussels, but when this large-scale invasion happened, then as nato consolidated, so did the european ones. union, we see this complete consolidation, we see over the course of more than a year, sometimes eight months, how germany changed its position, we see how france changed its position, we see how the leaders of these drivers of the european economy, european politics, how they changed their position, and how they consolidated, how europe consolidated in this challenge with russia and in

this assistance to ukraine, and then, and we understand. everything that the european union has given, it has a future, and the statements regarding russia, it is really, it is theirs, it is theirs what they want, they would like it, but there is a lot to be desired, little will be achieved with them, because you are the last, even yes, we have some declarations there, they have such a sorkov there, yes, who declared to you that russia, here in principle, why would russia not then join some type of european union, and if we remember putin, yes. at the beginning of his presidency, he said then that i want to join the european union, that russia be a european country, he said, he says a lot, so i say, you know, but they talked a lot, but they nothing was done, but ukraine did a lot, and ukraine every day proves its position that we are seven, that we are in europe, that we are part of europe and that we will be in this family,

so as they say, i think , i agree with the previous speaker that maybe even earlier than the 30th year, we will wait, mr. bohdan, you see, there are these thoughts that really, maybe earlier than the 30th, i understand that you are a supporter of a rational approach, and if we talk about ratios, before the actual negotiations, active negotiations on accession, what homework can we still do for this time, which may add. is it worth it to us? in the eyes of the european union, or actually, i'm sure that we, yes, please, please, that we , yes, thank you, we have to really understand that institutionally, let's say, we have to scale, because the negotiations are very serious stage, this is the determination of one's negotiating positions, this is the balancing

of issues that sometimes differ between us european partners, but the colleague there also noted that the eurobureaucracy is a tool, a tool that is used, applied by european politicians, it can be applied in order to speed up certain processes, or vice versa, in order to slow down certain processes, for example, serbia can be quite indicative, that is, one country with capital status for many years is once again in an interesting situation, with on the one hand, the aspiring european union, on the other hand, yes, prime minister vujicic maintains quite good relations with russia there and tries to balance in the region in the context of the kosovo issue, so here we definitely have to scale up institutionally, to be ready is really a lot what is connected with the implementation of already existing acts, directives, regulations of the european union, and there are tens of thousands of these legislative acts that really change