so in one end. you have a tough selection, adequate, anyone could desert, we stayed, if there is no hope, how to hold on , 50 on 50, we have such emotional swings, there is betrayal, victory, everyone will have to fight in this war, and we have no right to take sides here, point of no return, when putin was born, where are our nuclear weapons, mariupol, in general, it was cool, we did even more than we could, did you have the first capture?

there was no surgeon and there was no anesthesiologist. and 30 years in your head, that's a lifetime, didn't scare you? i felt freer than those who protected me your number one goal? will we never breathe as long as russia exists? azov code of honor? there cannot be too high a price for the independence and will of the country. yevhen chudnytsov, nickname chudyk, azov citizen, combat medic, was born in makeivka, donetsk region, volunteered in azov in 2014, during the battle near shirokinny, was taken prisoner, which lasted two years, was sentenced to 30 years in prison by the occupiers the so-called betrayal, after rehabilitation he returned to the front. a full-scale invasion was met by

mariupoli, as part of his unit of the azov regiment, coordinated and provided aid to the wounded while the defense of mariupol continued, he was one of the last to surrender to the russians along with the command of the unit by order of the senior leadership, he witnessed a terrorist act by russians in olenivka, where azov citizens were imprisoned . a year later, as a result of negotiations, he and 44 other prisoners of war were returned to ukraine, and he returned to the army again. mr. yevgeny, i am glad to welcome you to our studio. like you, normal, this phrase, like you, it acquired such a special meaning when you defended mariupol on azovstal, did you come across any such phrases that seem to be ordinary, they were not paid attention to in everyday life, and then they acquired a special meaning, and we probably did not pay attention to such phrases, but there are phrases, which appeared, but they cannot be said on the air.

you felt that the whole of ukraine was trying to give you some kind of stability, support, yes, you felt it, and since we had starlinks there, we monitored some news, for some hops, well, especially those who were wounded there and were lying there, it was very difficult to explain there that they support us there, they are waiting for us there, it's just when fabas fall on you, fogasny avibom. and you understand that this is a one-way ticket, so it is difficult for some to accept it.

and how difficult was it to fight with this awareness there, when you know that it is a one-way ticket, did you even hope that you would get out of there? personally, i'll say it for myself, i, i knew from the very beginning that it was going to end in one way, and so did many guys , so there was a plan and we followed it, well, but it was personal the choice of each fighter, because anyone could desert, well, but we stayed, that is, it was a conscious choice of everyone, and then what allowed you to hold on, if there is no hope, how to hold on, just grit your teeth and hold on, well, maybe so, well, so it will be said not really, not really right.

i mean, enjoy the process, i was just doing my job, what i had to do and everything, just like all the guys, doing your job and you try to do your job better. this made it possible to hold on. this is historical was there a battle in mariupol? the battle is historic, but if we had been given modern weapons in a timely manner, instead of the ones we had. that is, as it was before mariupol, before the full-scale aggression of the russian federation, before the full-scale war. who were azov? we are there, the nazis, we are the extremists, we are the scumbags, and then the same people who claimed it. started about azov heroes, come on, you can thank all the people who were called nazis, extremists, radicals there, it was because of them, yes, irresponsible such statements that did not give us modern weapons.

and then it turns out that azov is one of the most combat-capable, well, in general, one of the most combat-capable units in ukraine, and if it were not for azov, well, mariupol would not have held out for a long time, despite the fact that there were many other units there and the marines and border guards were and others, and ngu and the police, even the fact that the russians are trying to destroy ukraine, this is surely felt by every ukrainian, that they hate it, they really want it , they have been trying to destroy it for several hundred, well, more than one hundred years, but

there was a certain special person before azov , you felt how much they fear you, that they want to destroy you so fiercely, they want to destroy not so much azov itself, well, yes , it would be such a media image for them, they destroyed the nazis of azo there, they tried to destroy the very symbol of ukrainian resistance, well, just that azov, azov headed it, because when i was in polonia, i asked such a question, but why didn't you apply it anyway? chemical weapons or a small tactical one, well, a nuclear charge , but feyzbeshnyk answered me in the same way that you from azov, well, in general , made heroes of those who were in mariupol, but if we

used, nuclear weapons, well, a small supply, a small charge, or chemical weapons, then they would make saints out of you, and this is not profitable, so you often had such stories during the war, when there was a military fart or such a situation that you were saved by the fact that they didn’t want to make you a sacred sacrifice, a military fart, well, that’s in general, maybe every military man yes, well , every military man who fights, but you can describe that there are probably 70 percent, then a military fart, well no , i will even say so, 50/50, you may have luck and a fart, but...' in the first place, your preparation still plays the main role , that's how educated you are, how professional you are, how prepared you are, that's luck, that 's how it plays its role, and that's what we started with, while the cameras

did not include that when i met the azovians at the front in previous years, i was struck by the fact that they were all fit, athletic, prepared, clear action, but if you... characterized the main thing, that it is the azovians in preparation, the main thing, people know , why they came to this unit, try to do their job and do it good. i think that the armed forces of ukraine and all units are motivated, and the statute provides for this, well, the statute provides, probably yes, we have a chip, that is. motivated people simply come to us, some are transferred, who are not satisfied with something in their division, but something is satisfactory in our division, but they also see the efficiency of work, that is, if you take all the divisions of ukraine, well, they are the same at the same time, but each division

will be different, some work more efficiently, some work less efficiently, some, well, in general, each unit has its traditions, the code of honor of the azov community, what is it based on? code of happiness, well, criticize, suggest, suggest, do it yourself. that is, we have subordination, of course, but there is no such thing that if i am an officer there, a soldier cannot approach me, well, there, because i am an officer, i turned my nose up, well, there is no such thing at all, then in azov, in most cases like this, those who are in leadership positions, they started as a soldier, almost all of them, and you can be there, even an officer, yes, there, you, or a unit, it will not mean that you will, immediately

they put you in charge there, because you're just an officer for the money, you still have to prove that you're a specialist, that you 're qualified, that you're a smart person, adequate, that is, you have a tough selection, adequate. and how did you become a resident of makeivka in the 14th year and why azov? i chose azov and donbass there, i had and i had so, it happened that i had two friends, one was at that time. donbass, and the other was in the azov battalion, i called that friend from donbass, you better go to azov, i don’t know why

he said that, you better go to azov, well, that’s how i i went to azov, i came immediately to the city of mariupol, there for a probationary period, well, i joined, then it was still a special purpose militia battalion, and only after that i signed a contract, already in azov i joined the national guard of ukraine, well, i already signed a contract as part of the national guard, easy to pass. all the tests are so easy, now the selection, well, it’s there at all, it’s not too difficult there, yes, it’s easy there, if you have normal physical training, otherwise they’ll just teach you at the bkbp, well, the basic course of combat training, that is, to shoot topography, tactical medicine, you are taught, there is nothing complicated about it, we just still have a problem, the fact that many modern guys can't just pull up twice. the war, will it change, in the mind that you have to do

your training? and you understand, we just need to convey to society the idea that , most likely , everyone will have to fight in this war, and it will not be possible to sit out, so in this war, we will most likely win, but we must also not forget that the russians, these are the kind of people who always... come back, so after the victory it can't be just to fold your arms, hold parades there, because they will stamp new rockets, stamp new sheikheids, and it will all start again, but this time they will simply analyze their mistakes, and we have no right to make a mistake here, this point is irreversible, that it was impossible to stop the war when it happened, when putin was born, and what mistake did ukraine make,

what mistake did ukraine make, this mistake was made a long time ago, after , how ukraine came out from the soviet union and declared its independence, it was necessary to carry out a lustration, and not so that the new officials also simply transferred from the central committee of the cpsu and that's it, that's it, now the verkhovna rada of ukraine, you know, there is such a saying when things are not going well in a brothel , then you need to change the whore, not move the sofa, then the army is the same , all the soviet officials, they stayed, yes , among them there are many patriots of ukraine, there are specialists, many who... still teach, well, they do their job well work, but no lustration was carried out, where our nuclear

weapons, but we didn’t have to give them away, it’s the same thing, also a difficult question , we have weapons, but they have a remote control, but what can we do now in society, precisely in society, in consciousness, so that this does not happen again mistake, society, in your opinion, has already turned completely against russia, are there risks after all, this is on the air, of course there are risks. look at the risks that exist, now we also have a lot of people who are tired of the war, and there are such people, but i will not report it, because let the deputies take it away. what needs to be done, you need to start with yourself, well, in general, with yourself, that is, every person, let's start with ourselves, let's start small, corruption, we have it in general, the problem of countries that were, that had a soviet past, but in some this problem is greater, in some it is less, corruption, but don't give bribes, just in principle no

give bribes, start with yourself, first, well, if you don't have the opportunity, don't give a bribe there , well, let the sbi come, and it was there together with your bribe, yes, there was a bribe on the inscription, here we are such emotional swings, there is treason-victory, there oh, they took 50 military commissars there, yes, corruption is treason, well , actually, it is not treason, it would be treason if this was not shown at all, so this one means that at least someone is being detained, but there are such populist steps, well, what. they were done correctly, but not properly, for example, well, such an example, yes, with the military commissars, who have now removed military commissars from the posts of military commissars and will be thrown to the front, they heard such news, the right step, really right, but it has not been completed, you know, why, why, every soldier is a high-ranking official, an officer, and he

will occupy a high position, and there he will start his corrupt, property schemes there and will break the logistics of the front you don't want to go to war, come on, i'll give you some time off for money , i'll come up with something else, but you just need to finish one small thing, let the rank and file go, and then let there be landings, storming, cutting down everyone's ranks, and then who is worthy, well return. i saw in an interview that you said that you wanted to be a veterinarian in general, well, as a child you wanted to, partially your dream came true, you work in medicine, well, yes, but a person is also an animal, a mammal, you have a medical education, how did you become

i am a combat medic, i do not have a medical education, and a combat medic is a position that is obtained in nu fah after completing courses, did you have enough knowledge to provide medical assistance in azovstal, in mariupol, was it enough, did you have to perform operations? i had to. it's just hard for me to imagine in those conditions and even more so without a medical education, how did you do? well , the same thing, well, i did a cricoterotomy, it is when it is cut by a direct surgical method with a steobase incision, a cricoterotomy tube

is inserted. thoracic drainage was necessary put, well, complex complex operations, well, we also take mariupol, what moment, azovstal or, in general, in general, just in general, i had a stabik, yes, i had better equipment than in the hospital, that is, there and x-ray there was, and ivly, and there were concentrators, oxygen and other equipment, but the most important thing was not there, i did not have a surgeon and there was no therefore , we did some normal manipulations that we can do in those conditions, but for example, climbing into a cavity , there in the abdominal cavity, or in the chest, well, it was not worth it, and in general abdominal wound, it was a very complicated wound and a small percentage

of wounded survivors, even those who were in the hospital, so we did such and well the simplest manipulation, this is the car that was buried only, so we could get some debris out there, it was also possible on the spot , there, well, the bullet should be processed early there, if there are no signs of massive bleeding, then it can be done on the spot, well, in other cases, when there were really complex wounded, we tried to take them to the azstal plant, where there was... 555 hospital, he moved there, here and there already in they were specialists, they included doctors, surgeons, anesthesiologists, nurses and other personnel. we medics are trying to help not only military personnel, but also civilians, 24 hours a day under the fire of armed aviation and artillery, because ambulances no longer drive and no one

helps anyone, and not every bomb, hail, destruction is not just an injury, it is severed arms and legs , gouged out eyes, torn by fragments of the body, nausea, but then i had to do it myself, i understand... amputations and its fragments have already been done like that i had to do a direct blood transfusion there, because there is an anesthetist surgeon there, they were busy with the wounded, we have two of them at once, and one of them is just starting to die, because he lost a lot of blood, that’s how it had to be done, you want to remember that was in azovstal and mariupol, is it difficult? no. it's not difficult, it's just that human memory has such a property, some traumatic events that happened, they, they are simply etched from the memory and you simply cannot remember them, many will not agree with me,

but mariupol, in general, it was cool, we did even more than they could, there are also many other moments , for the sake of which i would not like to completely forget everything that happened there, neither good nor bad, and what are these moments, for example, and this is my personal, you say, pam yes, she erases these traumatic experiences, this is the moment when you received the order to leave, this is such a moment, do you remember it well, no, i am for traumatic experiences, i am not such moments, i say, for example, well , how in the first half of my life they pulled out my teeth with a flathead, that's how i remember everything, but somehow it's already so blurred, i remember that it didn't hurt, although it probably did at that moment, i don't know, i'm for such moments,

there are those who were injured at the time of receiving an injury there or something else, for such moments somehow later you forget from your memory, and you remember this moment when you received the order, well , i do remember, and what was your first reaction, the reaction was, well, not that it was inadequate, well, there were obscene words , but aggression was caused, well, you can say that, that is, you were ready to die there and not leave, this did not cause aggression, but simply there was such a phrase somewhere, maybe 10 words, but more than half of them were inappropriate. well, it was clear that it would either happen like that, or we would all die , but i just understood, because i knew a little earlier

how it would all turn out, well, than other fighters, so you had your first capture, you knew , what are you going to, in mariupol i acted as the head of the medical center, and there i had to, well, manage a little more people, and well, i got information a little earlier than the others, well, in general on the iron at the hospital, i proved this information , it's just that i was also tasked there with the task of sorting and evacuating the wounded, i had more than 300 wounded there, they were sorted into three categories and evacuated, well, i already gave up on the last day , it was may 20, you knew where you went, because you had your first capture, if i compare my first capture, my second capture, the first one i had in general was laksheri,

when you killed your teeth, and that was on the first day, so and then, well, i, well, you can say, sat normally, if in comparison, since the day i started to build the announcement of the sentence... well, now we'll finish it by the teeth, that's it, until it takes root there, all these implants , well, i'll go back to my part, yes, i was sentenced there to 30 years of imprisonment under the strict regime , and then they gave me three hours of supervision there eh, but i was allowed to visit my relatives, well, as a convicted convict, i was allowed to receive transmissions there, and i even had a phone for a while, in my head for 30 years, that ’s my whole life, you weren’t scared, no, well, i’m tomorrow, that i won’t be 30 years to sit, and here you are

threatened with execution at all? where in the second, and i don’t know what threatened me, they never transferred the case to the court, to the prosecutor’s office, in terms of information, you didn’t see what we saw, what they said, that we have there at all, well, informationally, you have information, only the information that the investigator may want to tell you, or at the interrogation there is some facebook user, whatever he wanted to say, share some information, that's what you got, they pressured the psycho... or physically, so and so , both psychologically and physically, and the more difficult the second capture was, well because in the first captivity i was not beaten four times a day, and in general , well, only for the first month and a half there, and then it was not every day, and well, not at all, not always, but since the first captivity, i... in principle

, i returned, i did not have such a loss of weight, i returned something like 78 kg, it was, but not so significant, and here it is 35 kg. were you somehow kept separate? azov citizens, yes, separately, and with whom in the cells, well, i was in olenivka, well, we headed for olenivka, then they committed a terrorist attack there, and after some time, it was in september, in my opinion, some guys were taken to donetsk, horlivka. i got into the taganrog, you have traces left, yes from torture, was it the first or the second, the second, and what are these traces from? well, even here, well, nothing is visible on the camera here, you can clearly see it from the handcuffs, and here, here, well, this is also, the handcuffs are hung like this, and such an iron is pushed between the knee joint, well, that’s how it is on this bullshit they hang you, and then they twist her, her skin peels off

a little. and why did they do it, they do it explained, i.e. they because they can do it, i.e. not to get information? in my case it was more for fun. the prisoners of the terrorist attack, why did they do it, because they could do it, i don't know, to show the world, see how we can. you were in another barracks, yes, how did it happen, can you remember? well, a day or two before this terrorist attack, they just named a list of names, and they just transferred about 200 people there to another barrack, i still suspected something like that, it was a day ago, because one of

these guards, well, what kind of... window guards or something, he said, but no, no , don't take the good mattresses, they'll take the ones that make it worse, i think, and what, i think, oh well, i think , perhaps they will be for exchange, well, so as not to take the good mattresses with you, that they will throw them there, but i found myself, what is wrong, then there in general, well, among the employees, i am sure that everyone knew how it was will, because they didn't panic, nothing, they were walking there, smiling, taking pictures on their phones, what do you think they used for... well some kind of thermobaric charge, well, it's one stop , among the people who died, there were your friends, there were many, like you, find the strength to cope with this loss, it's so many?

the fact is that the military, well, in general, those units that fight, the unit itself can have a lot of losses, yes, but most of the military communicates, well, such a limited circle there, well, at the platoon level, for example, yes, they huddle there , they communicate there, and there they very closely perceive either their friends with whom they are friends, or losses there. from your unit, because if you accept every loss there, well, you won't last long, well, that is , a normal professional soldier has such an ability to turn off empathy a little, you have become a much less empathetic person, and do you suffer from this? i've become a lot, i'm from...