[000:00:00;00] they said to fool around, stop what, what boys, what are you saying, but maybe this is a good move for the laws of propaganda, they are known, maybe this is a good move to drive people to the point of nonsense, but well, people are also very, very, in they are all confused there, as yesterday we showed a woman from america, let's focus on intelligent viewers, on intelligent people, there are still more of them, because it turns out a twisted situation when 1% of people who believe in any delusion, there , flat land, there, something else, and we aim to eat something to prove, and it just doesn’t matter to them to prove in principle, let’s focus on 99% of viewers who know how to think, who know how to gather information, who have their own opinion, who know how to analyze and so on, let them give more information, but the principles, so to speak

to say, well, the reflection of the mass media to yes... fight this one thing, let's not just pay attention to them and that's it, it's like walking through a beautiful meadow with many flowers growing on it, and then entering t in what remained after cows and mess around there, you don't need to do that, the meadow around is beautiful, beautiful, the sky, there are flowers, life goes on, and we will mess around in russian propaganda. that is not good, mr. mykhailo, thank you, mykhailo prytula, a military expert, a reserve colonel of the sbu , an expert in military counterintelligence, was with us, we are going for a short break, and then we will come back and talk to a former resident of donetsk, who is from there left, is a writer and writes her books about it,

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to our account, about uah 10,000 was added, in total we have a plus of uah 18,000 for this morning, if there were still 2,730 missing from the full amount, well, but we are moving in small steps, so if you add three more, then we only have 270. was missing, it will be good, well, i will introduce our guest to you, because we will now talk with the writer, a warrior, a participant in the literary and artistic meeting of slogo in the war, as part of the viacarti forum, she will take part in this forum, the forum will take place in ivano-frankivsk 14-15 october, this is olga donnechanka, volunteer, writer and bart. ms. olga, we congratulate you, good afternoon, ms. olya, you have, god, i don't know. your personal story is interesting, but you lived in donetsk before the beginning of the russian aggression, and you are a donetsk woman, this is in fact, this is your pseudonym to tell people where you are from, and

which city you left, you left because you had a pro-ukrainian position , fled together with the family, more, well, it actually looked more like an escape, because your husband was on the lists of occupiers, on the lists of executioners, ah, well, you are not you have been living in donetsk since 2014, since 2014, since july, that is, you are from that first wave , relatively speaking, i am the first wave of immigrants, that is, we already have experience, and these are actually different waves, because then people had to a large extent after all, there was some choice to a certain extent or not, so it was possible to leave russia calmly, it was possible. was to stay in donetsk, because in reality it was not as scary there as described about those terrible years, i was there , simply, i know, it is not from any words, i had to leave there constantly, even after

the 14th year, 14 i was there for 16 years, well you can say twice every month, ugh, because at that time the husband's parents were still alive there, there was no need to look after them. especially to whom it was necessary to bring medicine, yes, and sometimes even food, well, there were some other such cases that had to be solved urgently, and since he, well, i don't know, was there a firing list or not, but we were warned , that he is on the list of people from bandera, and what kind of list it was, maybe because i wouldn't say that he was too active, politicized, he was like a businessman, maybe they just wanted but had a position, despite the fact that he was a belarusian who was born in donetsk, and it was a special kind of donetsk belarusian bander, yes , it is like that, we laughed about it, but it was actually sad, because we were warned, so secretly,

anonymously phone, we had to leave, he didn't really believe it at first , he said, i didn't go to rallies, yes, i argued, yes, i was against going to the referendum, convinced our workers, everything else, but, but then i believed that after all it was so, and therefore i had to take care of my parents, and here he was the time you went to donetsk, you saw how donetsk is changing, it's not there, it's simple. donetsk itself, at first it is not so visible that the city is changing, how it feels that the atmosphere is changing, ugh, ugh, it was no longer our city, when i returned, i saw how sad my husband was, i saw how sad our youngest son was, they asked me all the time, i told them, don't be sad, you, just entering donetsk, just walk along those streets, my dear, those are the places you loved very much, and suddenly... something starts to pressure you,

a little bit appeared during the 14th year, when we saw when those people were imported from russia, when there was admiration, but still the spirit of donetsk remained there, our unconquered donbas spirit, it was disappearing, and it is no longer the city that, by the way, with that new generation, because in fact they have already grown up people, young people, who don't remember ukraine much , unfortunately i didn't communicate with this new generation, and by the way, the last time i was in donetsk was in december 21, i had to come there because i had obligations, i was very afraid , i was afraid for the first time, because my books had already been published, and even though i was under a pseudonym, i still felt discomfort, but when i arrived, i communicated only with people my age, maybe a little younger.

but i came to the conclusion that most likely children will reflect what parents say, with small children, it is worse, because parents are afraid to say something to small children, they are too sincere, ugh, yes, and such teenagers who remembered ukraine at least a little , that is, those who were seven or eight years old, now they are 15, among them there are a lot of pro-ukrainian people, why am i saying this, i was there for a very short time, no more. five days, i think she was in donetsk for four days in december of the 21st year, and during this time i met at least a dozen people who asked me whether they would liberate us or whether that was all, people had lost, by the way, they had already lost such hope, but they still asked whether they would liberate us, and already this is a question, i was afraid to answer it, because you don't know if it's a provocation, huh, but then i talked to people, i see. there are those who

have been waiting from the first day of that occupation until the last day, the children in those families , especially, and there are teenagers, i am 100% sure, they will be for ukraine, all the others, propaganda is a terrible thing, it changes and deforms the brains, even adults, well, you know that, even ordinary marketing moves, some and those affect people, and there is just such a very... active propaganda, of course those children have changed, but this children, children have a very flexible psyche, and if you change the direction of the information that will be, that will reach them, i am sure, they will be able to be reworked, only propaganda, there is a wonderful book after the war, it is called, and tony jatta ,

and british. historian, where he describes precisely post-war countries after the 45th year of europe, which in one way or another were under occupation , for example, by germany, he cites the words of one of the apparently french ministers, who says that during the five years of occupation there, the french got used to lying, stealing, reporting on each other, and it became a certain permanent habit, that is, in fact... all people were humiliated during the occupation, humiliated by the fact that they had to survive and had to survive in brutal conditions, and i even read those people who mentioned this today , who stayed in donetsk of their own free will, who are very pro-russia there were such quilters from the very beginning, as we call them, yes, but even they admit so honestly that it is not at all what they hoped for and not at all what they thought about, they wanted fair. they thought that there would be more justice in russia, they faced the fact that

there is less justice in russia, and this is also a bitter experience for them, but actually about the fact that it also also changes people, in fact, that is how it changes people, unfortunately, it is not only those who are corrupt, relatively speaking, but a little bit may have changed their opinion and become more loyal to the idea of ​​returning ukraine, there is also the opposite process, when people who did not go to the referendum, did not support russia at all , were, well, it seems, sincerely pro-ukraine, but over the years their psychology, their worldview was deformed, under...' not only propaganda, the propaganda there emphasized what, ukraine is killing you, ugh, real provocations, i know exactly the house where i lived, where we lived with our family, they were fired at from the nearest terrykon and that it couldn't be

ukraine, i know why, because there is nothing else there in the eighties, a mortar flew, i am a physicist by my first education, i know how to estimate where it will come from, and even the direction was visible, that it definitely, definitely came from donetsk itself, and there were many such cases of provocation when you tell people that look, this is not ukraine, people's eyes open when you start to explain it, but not everyone can be explained, and they all lose faith, hope in ukraine, but at the same time they begin to believe that ukraine is killing them, this is the worst , ms. olga, do you believe that donetsk, donetsk region can be returned to ukraine, not only , i mean territorially, so that they are under the control of ukraine, not occupied, but i mean, actually

mentally, you know, we have to do it, if i didn't believe in it, i wouldn't take a pseudo-niece, because i'm not just showing that i'm... from this region, i want to break the myths that exist about our region, there are a lot of people from donetsk who today love and are ready to return, not all of them, of course, but many of them who here in ukraine are ready to carry our ukrainian idea there in donetsk, if they were passive there in donetsk , most people, well, agree with me, these people are politically passive, not active, well, now... they are even ready to be more active, why? because they realized that their passivity , unfortunately, led to the consequences that they lost their home, i believe in it , it's the muses, it will definitely happen, the only thing is that

it might not be so soon, ugh, but the idea of ​​the unity of ukraine obliges us to believe in it, listen, how much was germany divided. years, oh, but in the end, but, but in the end, it's not that many years yet, uh you came to us with a guitar, and you are also its volunteer, writer and bart, and it turned out that we are not talking about creativity, but if you came with a guitar, then it is like a gun that needs to fire, you will surely sing something for us, what, that i am a little out of voice after the illness, but you know, after the events of yesterday and today, i was going to sing something completely different, a song of victory, a new song, just created, but i will still sing a different prayer to the mother of god, shine brightly here and there,

the sky is brightening in the east, but soon the sun will be clear it will come down, i pray to you at this time, that the ray always breaks through the dust , the war covers the world with smoke, so that the explosion does not move, the dew is small, and the bread is golden, the sky edges, so that the explosion does not move the dew is small, and the bread is golden. the end of the sky, and so that the earth does not burn in hell, the fire thrown by satan, so that the son remembers the lineage and the name,

standing up against the will as a wall, i pray that peace will return to us, bowing to the virgin mary, let the enemy leave, where the makartelya grazed, may our dreams come true, the dnieper will sing, in our native land, the green carpathians will rejoice, and in silence without soldiers, as if in paradise, the child, the mother will rock, in the peaceful sky. birds in a polycon, their manes got tangled in their will, and the banner on my donetsk tericon so that... the moth was blue and yellow, and the banner on my donetsk

terkon so that the moth was blue and yellow, still a little star shines here and there, the sky is brightening in the east, but soon the sun will rise, i pray, mother. to you, wonderful, thank you very much for, for this prayer, and let it be as you are in this prayer, asking with these poetic and musical lines, you said that we have a problem with that, because we it happens that on sundays we work all the time and go to church, well, it doesn’t work out, i will pray for you, i will pray for you, because now i already sing in the church choir, yes, you said that when you went the last time you went to donetsk in the 21st year, they were already afraid, because at that moment your

books were already published, that in those books something like you, which could be suspicious for those who checked you there for entry, and what could put you in danger, you know, i didn't write before i got to lviv, that's it fertile land, earthly... water, this is firstly, secondly, such personal tragedies, when i lost my husband, led to the fact that i first started writing songs, and then i switched to prose and the first thing i decided to publish, it was a novel about volunteer battalions, from the age of 14 to 16, i went to donnetsk all the time and well, that was my happiness, well, this is my, probably the happiness of my fate, i always met uh, wonderful people, boys, uh , these were exactly volunteers, and then i understood

why they wanted so much to tell something, it was already a consequence of post-traumatic syndrome, it only it became clear much later, unfortunately, i didn’t write anything down at all then, i wasn’t going to write any books at that time, and created images later, just from memory, so to speak... stitched together from several, from many of those meetings , these are artistic prototypes, each hero had them, but it could have been four or five people from the main character , from whom i molded this one image, why exactly about the volunteers, i wanted to say thank you then, ugh, because first of all i saw, returning to lviv and saw that here they do not understand what war is, here they can shout eh, to the guy who shows his id in the minibus, i have more than once witnessed what you are showing me, i did not

send you there and everything else, and it was so painful, but i was prompted by a meeting with a taxi driver who was in ato, was exactly and said that he is not understood in his village, they laugh at him, they consider him a little presumptuous, and this pushed me to write my first novel, at that time it was exactly, a novel about a volunteer battalion, and it is called, i am i love i love life so much, now there are more people who understand what war is, and war for all of ukraine, mrs. olga, thank you for the song, for your participation, for the stories, and for the novel, for our viewers, i would like to remind you that this was olga from donetsk, a volunteer, a writer and a bart, she will participate in the literary and artistic meeting word in the war within the framework of viakartya, which will take place in ivano-frankivsk on october 14-15. our marathon continues, we will return to ether with andriy at 11. 10 and we will continue, we will have

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