[000:00:00;00] a player, a state player, in this segment, and we hope that the new minister, with his team, will still be able to settle all those issues that we have already accumulated over the years, this is what we talked about and long-term contracts and approaches to pricing, and in general, let's say, the state's participation in the development of the latest models, but at the same time , this forum really... provided an opportunity to talk with colleagues, with colleagues from ukraine, with colleagues from the united states, america, france, germany, really exchange thoughts, ideas, there are certain uh, let's say, plans for cooperation, but still, it seems to me that we should not, should not, emphasize the fact that we will be given

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political club, every saturday on espresso. we are continuing our military program and further we will talk about the use of armored vehicles on the battlefield, about what conclusions our military and industrialists draw from the use of tanks, bmps, and battleships in the new conditions of the war with the russian federation, and now we are in touch with mykola salamakh, retired lieutenant colonel. the project manager at the domestic defense and industrial company energy 2000 and who is intimately familiar with all samples of armored weapons mr.

mykola is glad to see and welcome you on the channel. good day, first of all i would like to start not so much with the collection of equipment, but with the continuation of the things that echoed in the theses of your predecessor in the program of artem vyunnik, what he said, he said about... that such a difficult situation related to reservations has now developed to the person who manufactures, arms the technician in his company, in a number of companies, then i would like to ask if this problem exists for the energy 2000 and i would like to hear your answer in the background of the videos that our directors are currently showing to understand the technological level of the simulators that the energy 2000 company makes and how complex they are and for all the viewers to see what a military simulator really is, so what do you have with the reservation staff, with enough personnel to do such complex things? unfortunately, our company

is no different from the rest of the private, and sometimes state-owned companies that produce military or dual purpose products and reserve personnel is very it's difficult and sometimes there are even such questions that if a person received armor, then the person received armor for a certain period , but all these documents come to the territorial assembly center, and after the person received armor, he passes the military hospital commission accordingly, he receives a lot of information and then brings a copy of the armor to the territorial assembly center, and there the person is told right in the face that as soon as you run out of armor, you will be the first to be mobilized, and we are forced quite often, in such

cases, or to repeat the reservation, or indeed we already have cases when people were simply mobilized and we lost valuable specialists. and by the way, as now with the state defense order and the production of simulators for the armed forces, this process is ongoing, because we have now seen simulators for armored personnel carriers, we know that you also make simulators for manpads and for anti-tank missiles, which is now in demand for these components , how they are ordered, how they are used by the military in the conditions of current hostilities, well, let's say, the last 20 months, the amount of which we manufacture for of the armed forces of ukraine, for the state border service of ukraine and for the national guard of ukraine has increased by an order of magnitude, there is a problem, there are many

problems, problems of such a nature that it is very difficult to predict what will be necessary, literally in two or three months, here are the design terms and release er compressed to the maximum possible minimum, but the process of treating children's diseases, what is developed and released, unfortunately, it is still, well, it is almost impossible to shorten this term, so it is very tight to cooperate with operations and try to bring everything to completion as soon as possible. mr. mykola, now we have a lot of samples of foreign equipment from tanks there, bteri in bmp. whether this segment should be filled with national... simulators

in order to improve the use of this equipment, or our military leadership has not yet reached this, so there are two ways, the first way is to ask for simulators from the manufacturers who supply us with weapons, but the simulators of western production, they are more expensive, sometimes five times, sometimes 10 times times, here it is... there is one way and another way to develop and put into operation simulators of ukrainian production, but we receive a lot of samples of equipment and weapons and it is almost impossible to cover the entire list, this is the first component of the question, and the second component of the question, unfortunately , the ministry of defense and the general staff cannot predict how many of the samples of combat... equipment of one type

that we received today will remain in service the day after tomorrow, that is, literally in two or three months, we can, we can lose on the battlefield about a third, but if the hostilities will continue for a year and a half or two, then we can lose much more, and accordingly, then the need for such a simulator will disappear, but if it is good that the supply of this same sample will continue, then definitely there in a year and a half to produce such a simulator and prepare both the personnel who will operate this equipment, and those, even the personnel who will come to replace the one who will be out there in connection with injuries, in connection with some other

situations, of course, and then already directly to the use of armored vehicles on the battlefield, now we have received a certain number of foreign powerful tanks and these tanks were developed for certain tactics of use on the battlefield, which is different from the soviet one, which we partially inherited, i would like you to appreciate should the organizational structure change, should approaches to the use of western armored vehicles change in comparison with ex-soviet models , and do our teams of battalion brigades know how to optimally use foreign equipment or at times and tanks, because i have spoken to some officers who say that it would be very good if, when planning operations by a brigade commander or a battalion commander, a tank operator was always there to give advice on how best to use tanks, in order to really achieve the goal and have less losses, so eat it. your vision, foreign equipment, tactics

of use, basic structures, and the optimal approaches for the actions of our commanders? the presence of foreign equipment should clearly influence the tactics of using it equipment, because we are getting more powerful tools and in order to use them with the greatest efficiency, we must change the approaches to the use of these... tools, unfortunately, now the situation is such that battalion commanders become officers who or only graduated from the military department, and then served for some time, or did not even serve, and their professional growth took place already in the last 20 months, or before that they took part in

an anti-terrorist operation, and then in an operation of the united forces, that is, he was there a completely different nature of hostilities, and this is such a category , which is the level of brigade headquarters, the level of battalions, it is not able to very quickly assimilate all that information and all those changes that are necessary for the correct organization of the use of foreign... equipment on the battlefield, that is and those officers who declare that it is necessary to have specialists in the brigade headquarters , who will participate in the planning of combat operations, that they must know the capabilities of the equipment, the differences in the equipment, and that there should be no planning of the participation of the entire company, which will be concentrated on the area there up to a kilometer and advance in one line, and that

foreign equipment is usually used in pairs, rolled over, when one tank covers another tank, that tank moves. when it takes an advantageous position, performs tasks, those that stand in support of the infantry, after that it begins to cover the second vehicle and begins to move, that is, these are all the processes, unfortunately, they do not always, but they happen in a timely manner due to retraining, and there is one more problem, sending is necessary when we send personnel for training, it is necessary to send not only the battalion commander, the battalion chief of staff, and all the tankers to training, but also several officers from the operational department of the brigade headquarters, at least the deputy brigade commander or

the deputy chief of the brigade headquarters, so that people understand what they are getting and how to organize combat actions as best as possible in order to use the potential, it is just as necessary to change the staff structure, why, because we must have for a full-fledged organization and conduct of combat actions, here is the headquarters the battalion does not consist of 4-5 people , but the headquarters of the battalions consists of 25-30 people, but for the headquarters brigades, we are talking about completely different numbers, unfortunately, so far these problems are solved very difficult in our country. that is to say, in fact, the management link is too narrow, a bottleneck in order to digest the large amount of information that is currently on the battlefield, to plan correctly , to optimally use the capabilities of each model of equipment, this is how it works, and here i am,

we now have every the brigade sometimes receives about 10-15 new samples at the same time weapons, and in order to tie it all into one knot, and to organize it all, in a timely manner, without mistakes, it takes quite a lot of time, unfortunately, we do not have that time, now we will see in parallel video, where the fifth separate assault brigade uses tanks, bmp cv-90 and btr13 in such a typical scenario, when... tanks provide cover, then apcs and bmps go to carry out an amphibious landing, then tanks cover the departure of these, combat armored vehicles, here is such a point tactic of use, as far as it is now the most widespread, as it is optimal for breaking through these

forest strips and other areas where the enemy is entrenched, so this tactic is the most optimal. the most expedient, but again it depends on the place, on the time and on the ability of the commanders to organize such interaction, unfortunately, this is not yet a mass phenomenon, although in the last two or three months after analyzing those situations of combatants on the battlefield , which took place in june and july, very serious changes are taking place, why, because experience, it is still transferred, and absolutely at different levels, including at the level of operational-tactical groups, that is, at the level of brigades and at the level of battalions and companies, that is why

, the further, the faster such changes will occur and efficiency will increase, but there are still very... many issues that need to be resolved and very quickly, the first is the protection of armored vehicles from barrage ammunition, that is, both on the battlefield and in places there, its location in preparation for combat operations , during repair, it is also necessary to carry out very and organize very quickly protection from the same, dro. especially in the means of radio-electronic warfare, to detect the same drones in a timely manner through control channels, here and there... all these moments, they lead to the fact that we have a constant

shortage of time and a constant shortage of personnel who are able to organize all these in a timely manner activities and, relatively speaking, the video you commented on of the combat operations of the fifth brigade near klishchiivka, there were m113s, bmps, and tanks, and from these three categories to yours opinion, which one is currently in the greatest shortage, or with regard to which types of armored personnel carriers, tracked vehicles, bmps and tanks, is the greatest need from the point of view of satisfying, well, the demand of our brigades, we now have a very great need for highly protected, so-called heavy bmps, this is infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles of the marder type, these are infantry fighting vehicles of the cv-90 type and this bo... two bmp, m2, bradley infantry vehicles in

any variation, and a2 and a3 and a7, that is, these are the so-called fire support vehicles, that is this is precisely what, in the first place, saves the lives of servicemen on the battlefield, and this is what capable of supporting a soldier at a distance of up to one and a half to two. and when there is a connection between the people who are in the combat formations of the infantry, and the combat vehicles of the infantry, this is the most effective means of fighting now on the battlefield, so tanks are also needed, tanks are needed, also for use as vehicles of fire support, both in offensive actions and in defensive actions, yes, they cement combat positions both in defense and

combat formations in the offensive, but everything rests on the strength that exists now, here in us and in the strength of the equipment, which is now ready for transfer, as well as the readiness of personnel who are able to operate this equipment and competently and correctly organize combat operations, mr. mykolo, you just mentioned the bmp, it seems like a month ago we discussed the importance and advantages of competitive bmp cv90 from sweden, and in parallel with that, after some time , information appears that, in addition to this bmp , the licensed production of bmp askood with american roots is offered there from ukrainian armored vehicles of other manufacturers. the question arises whether the ministry of defense should not now formulate such clear requirements for such tender procedures and start a proper tender for the purchase of bmp, in order to avoid accusations from certain partners who

do not receive orders from the armed forces. so, the ministry of defense, or rather, the general staff first, and then the ministry of defense must decide on a lot of issues, in armored vehicles, if you start with the tank, then this is the caliber, this is the fire control system. this is the chassis, and that's it will already form who can be a manufacturer, and what exactly we can help, we want to see in service in the armed forces of ukraine, in two years, in 5 years, in 10 years, here is a similar situation with infantry fighting vehicles, especially of the heavy class , well, the situation is practically the same with armored personnel carriers, because the fourth armored personnel carrier that ukraine is capable

of producing and, thank god, produces it in some quantities, it is still a machine that has its roots in soviet armored personnel carriers and it is technology, after all last century, we need to have more modern, more advanced, more protected equipment, including on a wheel base. then the question arises, if the general staff has to formulate requirements, formulate a vision, for each model of equipment, and at the same time foreign equipment arrives, foreign equipment, now we are waiting for the arrival of abrams tanks, again there are excessive expectations that it will be a super breakthrough on the battlefield, i am so i personally don’t think so, but i would like to hear your thoughts, whether in fact due to the limited number of leopards in certain versions or not the feeling that it is the abrams that will become the main battle tank of the ukrainian army in the future

, given the significant reserves in the united states. so, everything depends on what we want to see, if we want to see at least five hundred tanks of the same type, of western production, in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine in the next three years, then they can only be abrams. if we want to see these same five hundred tanks within 10 years, then they can be leopards. it all depends on the number of us we want, and from the availability in the world, or from the production possibilities, why, because now there is no country in the world, except for the united states of america, which can give five hundred tanks within five years without absolutely no, no problems for its own

defense capabilities, and when we talk about our tank-building capabilities, now a few dozen t-64 tanks have appeared again at the front line, we see that repairs are taking place, renewal is taking place, but understanding, a vision for the future, what about our tank developments, whether they have a perspective, or without cooperation with foreign partners, it will be extremely difficult to advance and provide, well, the ukrainian army with its own projects. own production of tanks is the first thing, here is the armor that we need to cook ourselves, here is fundamental science, here is why, because the whole thing is that those enterprises that existed in soviet times, they are now either partially destroyed, or they no longer exist are able to repeat the

technologies that were mastered by soviet metallurgists in their time. here we go radio electronics, here after that we go to the munitions industry, this is the chemistry of gunpowder, this is the chemistry of explosives, then we return to the same metallurgy again, these are the same high-explosive shells, this is metal for shells, for shell casings, and then we turn again ' to explosives, this is again modern microelectronics, and here is this circle, it is practically endless, or rather, it is a spiral, because in almost every direction, we need to overcome for several years, the path that our western partners have overcome for decade, that is

in fact, we are doomed to a partnership, we need to find optimal forms of this. yes, mr. mykola, thank you very much for your, as always, professional explanations, for your time, which you shared with our viewers, and i would like to remind you that mykola salamakha, a retired lieutenant colonel, project manager at the energy 2000 company, was in eteriso. so, in the background conversations with our industrialists, we can conclude that we have a certain potential for creating our own samples, in other areas we need cooperation, and we have to eliminate a number of bureaucratic problems, which, after all, still exist in our defense-industrial complex, the sooner we do it, the sooner we will get positive results that will be reflected on the battlefield, these are the main conclusions from communication with our industrialists, and then,

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