[000:00:00;00] no, it doesn't work, because people have figured it out, people have figured it out well, and no one is going to riot , no one is going to hold big rallies, everyone understood that the interests of azerbaijan and russia coincided here, the interests, the accents are different, but the common interest one, the expulsion of armenians from their historical land in nagorno-karabakh. and tell me, please, how do you explain what putin says, that armenia has recognized its territorial integrity. azerbaijan, what we could do, but armenia always, as far as i am concerned i remember, i recognized the territorial integrity of azerbaijan, even from the time of the almaty declaration, which was written and signed, how many 30 years ago, when you and i were still young people, you know, vitaliy, this is a very good question, and i always ask a question with a question , does the principle of territorial integrity presuppose the expulsion of the population from their own, from their families, does it not presuppose,

that is... the principle of territorial integrity presupposes the solution of problems through negotiations, through long negotiations, without the use of force, but the principle of territorial integrity does not presuppose large-scale military actions against a small nation within this country, that is , unfortunately, in our country, as you know, all these principles are distorted in authoritarian regimes, in the same way i can say that if the principle of self-determination, and why he is not respected, but the main thing is that , unfortunately, decision-making through force, through violence, it is for authoritarian regimes, you know, like that , native decisions, that’s how putin has it, that’s how it is with aliyev, that’s unfortunately , that's right, you after all, you violated our gentleman 's agreement, you should not ask me questions, and i just listen carefully to you, and you ask questions, not good, not good, but i

didn't ask you about that. i will repeat, you can, of course, ask me to answer a question on a question, this is your sacred right , but the question is not that, the question is how crooked putin's soul is when he says that it's all about the armenian leadership, which is simply adhered to the principle of international law? well, you know, uh, a lot of manipulation, there are a lot of manipulations, putin, when he says such words, we need to be with you , well, we need to remind all people that putin or russia are allies of armenia, russia on november 9 , 2020 left made a commitment, this commitment consisted in the fact that russian peacekeepers stand , provide stability, but russia did something, the lotin corridor was closed not only by azerbaijan, but also by russia, because russia wanted armenia

to make concessions on some other issues, so all these... you know, sentences putin, they are not worth a penny to lomanov, he can talk a lot now , manipulate, pashinyan said it, he said it, but the bottom line is: russia refused to fulfill its alliance obligations to armenia, russia refused to fulfill the document dated november 9 , 2020 , where according to this document they are recognized as the only force of reconciliation in nagorno-karabakh, but these peacekeepers are russian. she broke everything, they have some interests with turkey, interests with azerbaijan, she broke everything, now she is trying put the sick head on health, blame everything on pashinyan, and tell me, please, what will be the consequences, well, you say, yes , russia did not fulfill everything here, did not fulfill it here, but forgive me, russia still remains a formal ally of armenia, armenia is included in the odb, armenia is part of the eurasian union, you have a military base in gyumri, i can list all the business connections and control

over... armenian economy, connections , anything, we will, we will not, we will just waste time for this time, what are they consequences, in general is it possible to get out of this dependence, political, military and economic? well, changes have begun, we have demanded it for a long time, we, i mean, experts , or political forces of a european sense, pro-democracy, we have long demanded a change in armenia's policy, it has begun, it has begun, unfortunately, with a delay, but it has begun , you know, armenia refused to appoint an ambassador to the csto, an ambassador, a new ambassador to the csto, it is called in the vernacular, frozen frozen participant, that is, when you freeze your participation in the work of this organizations, yes, well, we will consider that

this is a national language, well, not quite a national language, but armenia, as you know, ratified the rome statute, that is, we became part of the international criminal court, that is, i see these movements. these movements will deepen, you will see that exit from the csto is already inevitable, so armenia will go in the direction of a normal country, in such a way as moldova, ukraine, these countries that have definitely chosen the path of integration in the west, another question, how quickly it will happen, this is another question, but with the question, i i completely agree, many ties with russia are strong, they need to be broken, i am interested, if we are already talking about integration with the west, well, you know, ukraine and moldova one way or another, at least on one side of their borders, so to speak, border on countries of the european union, you know very well where regional armenia is located, it

has borders with turkey, with azerbaijan, with georgia, with iran, while iran is one of the most important geostrategic allies of armenia, as with such allies relations and with such a neighborhood, let's say, such, well, i don't know, you can say to the enemy, opponents, you can say, such difficult neighbors, find the word yourself, say, and integrate such friends with the west, well, first of all, i think that georgia will eventually move, and now it is moving to the west, that is, an immediate neighbor that is also moving to the west, that is , we will have a geographical connection with the west, i have almost no doubt that georgia is. will receive candidate status for the european union, but, but, what about us other options, and what other options do we have, what do they offer us, that russia offers something, does not offer us anything

, therefore, it seems to me, geography does not interfere here, because in the middle there is georgia, i am the only one, only as it were i will make a small remark, we do not have strategic relations with iran, they are really good, constructive, but not... we do not have a military-strategic agreement with iran, they are good, but not strategic, what do you think will happen with the syunik corridor? i think i do not rule out the possibility of an attack to the armenian territory, because of the corridor, this is due to the fact that russia wants to take it, there are no other players here, other players want to enter the corridor, but those who agree... so that it is a road, you know, that will be controlled armenia, but russia wants the fsb of russia itself wants to control, that is, by russian border guards, this is unacceptable for armenia, so russia will try to set up

azerbaijan against us once again, so that they attack, that is , russia must arrange this attack with someone's hands, there were attempts in russia, remember the posts puts in peace, it didn’t work out, but now i think they will be more decisive... against us, i’ll tell you why, because we started moving towards the west, in russia, they drew attention to this, tell me, please, if you don't want to see russian border guards in the corridor in syunik, maybe it's time to remove them from the prison? yes, this is a very fair question, we are raising it before the authorities , well, i think that gradually you will see that a lot will happen, not all at once, but gradually it will happen, that there will be an exit from the odc, i have no doubt about it, and it will be very soon, i will remember this forecast, mr. grigoryan, please tell me what you think about the meeting between president zelskyi and prime minister pashinyan in granada, is it a protocol or some landmark event?

no, this is a significant event, i will say more, a little earlier , remember, the wife of the prime minister of armenia was in kyiv, at the summit of the spouses, yes, of the leaders of the european union, i think it was very significant, very seriously welcome decisions of our authorities, and in general cooperation with ukraine, you know a few days ago, there was a meeting of the parliament, the leaders of the parliament of armenia and ukraine in dublin, so in ireland , so i think that, yes, we should start contacts with ukraine, we are friendly nations, now we should cooperate, thank you, mr. hryhoryan, for this conversation, mr. hryhoryan, the head of the analytical center for globalization and regional cooperation was on our air, but we will continue to stay in the region, because now we will talk with olga budnyk,

ukrinform's own correspondent in turkey, turkey also remains one of the most important players in the south caucasus, but not only, because it is obvious that now a lot depends on turkey's position in russia's war with ukraine, and in the situation connected with... with what is happening with cooperation between turkey and the european union. congratulations ms. olga. congratulations, congratulations, congratulations studio. well, then, let's try to deal with the first question, why now with raje. are so harsh about the european union, what is going on? well, on the one hand, turkey declares its own disappointment, about the readiness to take other paths with the european union, but on the other hand, he speaks about the need to resume the accession process. you will recall that in june of this year, president erdoğan put forward a condition that turkey approve sweden's bid to join nato after eu leaders open the way for turkey to join

the european union, and let's say this rhetoric, it has been going on for years, and is constantly rising in a possibly advantageous way, in an advantageous place, an advantageous time, and now, since, for example, the process of joining the eu itself seems unrealistic for turkey in the near future, turkey is more vocal and focuses on the possibility of customs modernization. of the union between the eu and turkey, as well as on the visa-free regime. let me remind you that turkey has been a candidate for accession since 1999, and the negotiations were stopped, in fact in 2016, that is, turkey actually constantly declares its readiness to resume negotiations, but at the same time, regarding the fulfillment of the requirements, it believes that the requirements have already been fulfilled at a sufficient level for. to start actively

negotiating the accession, and i will add, a minute, what added fuel to the fire was the fact that the european parliament published its report on turkey last year, and the vankars believe that it contains completely unfounded accusations, that is, they have once again found a way to bury the hatchet. the european union declares one thing, turkey another, and after that there were words that the interest... and in general the paths may diverge, but why does erdogan need it, he is not a naive person, he understands everything perfectly, he knows that in that state of democratic, i would say freedoms today is in turkey, with this struggle with the so-called gulinists, with this situation with the independent press, well, we can also list it for a long time, unfortunately, we do not have much time for me to remind you of all this, well, there is no a chance to actually join the european union and even start real negotiations, so he just wants something , it is such a... trump card that is pulled out of

the sleeve, sometimes, then hidden again, that is, this issue is old and it has such a weighty influence, but the very process of turkey's rapprochement with at the same time, there is no progress, now in october the working groups are supposed to meet and discuss the visa-free regime, that is, it is possible that these statements are also made on the eve of this meeting, but it can only be the first step to the process itself, listen, and what happens with the ratification of the agreement on the accession of sweden to nato, we have almost forgotten about it, but in fact it is already october on the street, when i promised to do it, at the beginning of the session of this national assembly, well, the session started on october 1, and when, well, the review should take place, but when will it take place , while still it is not known, discussions on the new constitution will begin on tuesday , that is... the turkish parliament will be busy and

will work very actively on key issues in the near future, but there is no date yet for sweden, and what is the point of constitutional changes now, that in general, they can really change in turkey, well, the change of the constitution by president erdogan was initiated many, well, a few years ago, but a majority was not gathered then, it was clear that it, in 2017, was the last time changes were made to the constitution, then 18 amendments were introduced and a national referendum was held, then there was the post of prime minister, well, in fact, it was combined with the post of president, that is, there is a head of state who is also the head of the government, and some other changes, but now we are talking about a completely new the constitution, not about changes to the constitution, but about the new text of the constitution, because president erdoğan says that the

current constitution was drawn up to clean it in 1982, so the people deserve a new popular, truly civil constitution, but what exactly are the changes it will contain, or rather, what it will contain, i know that there will be plans to approve the wearing of the hijab by women, that is, that they will be able to, well, it will be directly constitutionally approved, not by decrees, not by some advice, directly in the constitution, as far as i remember, in 1982 the military , i would say, gave an opportunity to get rid of that tough guy. which was behind the political and public life of turkey, precisely thanks to this referendum constitution, it was such a renewal of democratic life? well, nowadays it is believed that the development of turkey has been taking place,

according to such an ambitious program, for centuries turkey, which was in fact partially the pre-election program of president erdogan, and that for such rapid development and realization of those ambitions for the state and its promotion, a new constitution is needed, we can simply say to simplify the situation that erdogan simply does not want ataturk's conditional constitution, therefore that can be cleaned, this constitution, which was previously drawn up by such supporters of the concept of building a state, which mustafa kemal was able to proclaim back in the 20s of the last century. and erdogan may simply not need a constitution mustafa kemali, his heir, erdoğan's constitution, you can say that, i didn't say that until we know that they are going to change, you know, vitalia, that is, if it really goes against the principles of atatürk, you can say that, but if it will be strengthened, for example, the

same principles, or laid out in some other , more modern form, then let's wait for a better text. ankara has almost stopped talking about the grain deal now, right? this means that turkey has already understood that they will not agree on anything with putin, and together with this, do not want to accept this qatari project, which russia at one time tried to offer as an alternative to those agreements that were previously reached regarding the supply of ukrainian grain, so indeed, there is little talk about the grain agreement now, but i will say this. that at the business level. began to very actively declare that it is worth starting again, we believe in our president, we believe that turkey will be able to play this role of mediator, because businessmen

began to calculate profits and costs well, and right now, for example, they are actively calculating how much grain can be exported by land transport, since it is clear that it is faster and in larger volumes by ships, but at the political level, well, just recently i spoke with a representative of the ministry of foreign affairs, i was told that the initiative continues, turkey is ready, but something is constantly happening, it is constantly being reminded , but concretely, we cannot yet say that we will come to any result in the near future, please tell us, we spoke with an armenian expert, regarding the possibility of an attack on the sovereign territory of armenia, when it comes to the corridor, which is called in turkey, the sangezur corridor, in armenia, the syunik corridor, which is supposed to connect azerbaijan through a bridge, of course, with turkey, in principle, as far as president erdoğan

may be interested in such actions taking place, because he says all the time that turkey recognizes the territorial integrity of armenia, what is more important to him, the corridor, or the fact that he was... a guarantor of territorial integrity and status what's up in the region? oh, this is such a difficult question. but this is a fundamental question, you see, i do not argue that it is difficult, but what can be done without it? i think that president erdogan in this case, he probably supports more the azerbaijani position, and this is how azerbaijan will act, turkey will still be on his side, it is clear that they are coordinating, but i am not sure what is going on... about the violation of territorial sovereignty in armenia, that is , you understand what kind of negative geopolitical, in this case, turkey will receive, i understand, i ask if he understands this erdoğan, she is not in such favor now to do so, well, that is, anyway, this conflict

is permanent with the united states, which is also actively supporting here in terms of information, and all other issues, hardly, if we talk about the relations between turkey and russia, it can be said that after the last visit of president erdoğan to sochi, the interest in building some such special relations with moscow has somehow decreased in turkey, precisely because it is possible that it is not possible to achieve anything that was planned by the turkish president. well, in particular let's say that the main, main result of their negotiations was... the creation of an energy hub, that is, the way they could not agree on the corridor, although turkey very much expected that the result would be positive, then the result was this one million tons of grain and also energy hub, but later,

there is such information that there were negotiations and they could not decide who would manage that energy hub. russia says that they initiated the creation of an energy hub in turkey, in fact, turkey is talking about that it wants to be an energy hub long before the war. that is, this idea has been around for a long time, and turkey is using it well. geographical position in this regard is already used, but it wants to increase it with the opening of its gas fields, and with the production of its own gas, it wants to become not only a country that is a transporter, but also to extract, increase and use its own gas for export, but this in such a prospect, so now they are silent even for that energy hub, due to the fact that they could not come to an agreement, and besides, i think that after the negotiations in sochi, the west also expressed its opinion regarding the possible rapprochement

of turkey and russia, and in ankara they chose not russia, but the western vector, but at the same time, relations with russia, for example, now, economic, trade the relationship has not yet ended according to the results. this year, but for the months that have already passed , well, there is a noticeable growth, and in this, the peace summit in istanbul, which will be held, in fact, to discuss the peace proposals of ukraine, this is not another challenge to russia from the side of turkey, what is she will host the kind of summit that saudi arabia previously hosted in jiji, turkey, from the beginning it has stated and continues to state that it wants to be a mediator, and i will say this, the vankars are very much looking forward to that, when it will happen

is unknown , but that it is the peaceful final treaty and the agreement or the document in which it will be, they believe very much here and even , let's say, have no doubt that it will happen in turkey, and they are putting a lot of effort into it, you remember you are attending a meeting in antalya, which took place just a few days later weeks after the start of the large-scale invasion, then there was a meeting in istanbul, and this is this, this site is not considered as , that, which is against russia, or, turkey is saying that no one can win in the war, everyone loses, let's negotiate , peace negotiations, we are ready to accept, that is, this is the constant of their position, thank you, thank you ms. olga, olga budnyk, own correspondent form. of turkey and we talked about how this country feels about the upcoming

meeting to be held in istanbul, as a continuation of those peaceful meetings that have taken place several times in a row, but without representatives of the russian federation, this meeting will also be, i would say, an important confirmation of the international importance of the ukrainian view of peace, but we all understand very well that in order for peace to be in order for real peace talks to take place, which sooner or later will end this war, it is necessary that the country that 500, as many as 56-90 days ago launched a major attack on our country, also wishes for peace, and as we can see, the leadership of this country does not going to abandon your previous aggressive plans , which we also talked about in this broadcast of ours, i sincerely thank everyone who has been with us for these two hours, about saying goodbye to you, i wish you a peaceful evening, this is very important in conditions where we see the strengthening aggressive

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