[000:00:00;00] what have we learned from this war, but what conclusions have you drawn with regard to production and design changes and use and assistance in training personnel, which are then used by the fury, what conclusions have you drawn precisely after these 18 months of hostilities through the prism of your enterprise? yes, indeed, we have increased production, on the scale that it requires today, of course, there are a lot of conclusions, both organizational and technical, we study examples of foreign companies, we study the experience of applying solutions that today bring us a lot of damage on the battlefield from our enemy, and of course we are working in the direction of both technical development and the development of our, let's say, engineering

potential, in the direction of training our operators, let's say, before the war we did not training, we were not involved in this, in fact, we exclusively trained instructors for training centers, to date, we have already actively included in this process, because we understand that the facilities, training centers that train operators for unmanned aerial vehicles the furia complex, they are not enough, again, it must be said that the problems ... existed even before the war, before the full-scale invasion, it continues to this day, and it seems to me that if i answer the question that you asked at the beginning, what should in order to further scale up, to further develop our military industry, i think that a very big , big, let's say, factor that affects or can affect positively or negatively, and unfortunately, mostly negatively, is

timeliness conclusion of contracts and the long-term duration of these contracts, i.e. on today, we still have a formal, three-year defense order , unfortunately we have annual contracts that are signed at the end of the year with execution until the end of the next, but it is not clear what will happen next, and unfortunately, we get into such trap, when we cannot develop our capacities further, because we do not... understand what will actually happen next year, and then we get a request from the military, how much can you, and of course, those capacities that are current, they are not meet the requirements of the military that currently exist, so it seems to me that it is necessary to develop such a day-to-day, daily working communication with the military so that they understand, understand that

production is not something that i ordered today and received tomorrow, because logistics is very difficult, i think my colleagues will say, further, they will confirm this, that now what was supplied for a month or two, today is supplied for three or four months, and by the way, this is also a consequence of the fact that the capacities of foreign manufacturers are also not unlimited, they also have limits and they are now too are being adjusted already in a year and a half... the capacities of our suppliers have also increased, but still, this is not enough, having three-year, at least, or rather five-year contracts for our products, we could plan much more precisely and develop production as in both qualitatively and quantitatively. mr. artem, but in addition to long-term planning , another problem has unexpectedly been added that can

affect the pace and quality of manufacturing of our unmanned systems, i know that your company and a number of other companies have turned to of the general staff, literally yesterday or the day before yesterday, in order to solve the problem related to the reservation of employees of specialized enterprises of the defense industry, this concerns your company, kabluch, ukspecssim, and other companies that really supply a significant number of samples of weapons for our army, what happened in why is the essence of the problem, at what stage is it: it is now, yes, sergey, this is a big problem, it is kind of absurd, in my opinion, because, uh, companies that produce weapons, military equipment for the armed forces, which are so necessary today on the battlefield, received a refusal from the general staff, from the ministry of defense, to reserve employees, i.e. a total refusal, eh, i understand that this may

have happened due to: certain technical nuances, but, let's say this, today there is such and such a phenomenon, as deficient specialties, as a rule , these are people who are quite... highly qualified, and for example, we have one of the key employees of the companies, engineers, designers, they also have these deficient specialties, and i understand that this situation has developed due to the difference of certain regulatory documents in september of this year, but in fact we have the following situation, on october 10 the pre-booking ends , almost mostly, of the number of employees of our company, and this and this means that actually from the 10th, any of these, employees can be mobilized, considering that

the documents were resubmitted only the day before yesterday, and only for the part of employees who do not have these scarce specialties, i so predict that this booking will take place in another month, that is, what to do during ts of a month to the people who will, in fact, be served with summonses and mobilized, to be honest, i do not know, especially considering the fact that even with existing reservations, we have cases almost every day when people are taken to the tsk, in fact , there have even been cases of the threat of using weapons, the rhetoric of tsk employees is such that, uh, this is a piece of paper, an order from the ministry of economy, this is a piece of paper that is worthless, and for some reason this problem occurs in our western regions, where in

we also have capacity, production, eh, i think that we should pay attention to this problem and maybe regulate it at the legislative level, in fact, saying the following, if the company fulfills a state contract for a defense order, that is, it is defense procurement, then it should be absolutely prohibited all employees without taking into account wasps or any other percentages from employees and so on. by the way, there is also the problem of changing military accounting specialties, which took place in the 19th year and it seems later, and which today also create huge problems. because many of the workers have military tickets with so-called outdated wasps, when they come to the military headquarters to clarify these wasps, to correct these numbers, they actually

find themselves in a situation where they also begin to be mobilized, i believe that we still we live in a legal country, we must obey the law, the law must be obeyed by everyone, including the employees of territorial assembly centers, this is a big problem, and in addition to everything, let's say, important for the country, there are also such issues, for example, as banal fines for enterprises, which to this day amount to some crazy percentages, and on the one hand we have the mobilization of key employees, potential, and on the other hand we have obligations to the state with huge fines, as it may be, it is to combine, during the war, well, to be honest, it is not clear, we hope that our collective appeal, which we signed from several companies that received this refusal, to the headquarters, it will somehow be

taken into account and the right decisions will be made and our, our engineers, designers will continue to work on the tasks of our defense industry, i also really hope for that, and then, if we continue the topic of personnel, we understand that one way or another every company directs its efforts to have a significant number of high-quality employees, some there they go for mobilization, others, let's say , leave the company in one way or another, and the question arises of expanding the personnel potential and creating conditions for the company to be replenished with truly professional personnel. what approaches do you currently use, or maybe for your company to be such a certain center of crystallization for new competencies, when new people precisely... go to work at atlan avia, what are these, how are these processes formed now? you raised a very important question, it is not only important for atlanavi, it is important for all manufacturers of high -tech products, because today

there is such a crazy shortage of personnel, because many competent people still ended up abroad, after the start of a full-scale invasion, many people, let's say, uh, they don't have, no, they don't opportunities, didn't have the opportunity to be booked there in a certain period and ended up actually on the battlefield, today we do everything possible to attract the most competent personnel that we can attract, we create opportunities for people, let's say, of a financial nature, so we do everything so that they can learn, experiment, develop their potential and create new models that are needed, needed by the military in today's such

a hybrid... very unusual war, where fpv drones are also used, which before no one even thought it was possible, can become such a powerful weapon, but again, this is the answer to the situation we have, the lack of almost high-precision means of defeat, serious systems that are so necessary, but which ones, unfortunately, the development of which is actually still ongoing, continues again, because priorities were not formed at a certain time, in a certain period, let's say, after the 14th year, i think they could and should be work on the development of these samples is formulated and adjusted, but today, this, this, let's say, these tasks are closed by fpv drones, which strike both

enemy equipment and manpower. the enemy, but again, this is a rather small tactical depth, so we need serious developments that will hit targets at a depth of tens of kilometers, and we are also working on this, and our colleagues are working, and i think that our engineering the potential will be enough to solve these problems, and by the way, you could certainly compare our capabilities with the capabilities of foreign companies, when buku... the other day there was a defense forum industry in kyiv, where the president of ukraine was there, the heads of the ministry of defense, the minister of technology were there, we had, you had the opportunity to communicate with colleagues from other countries, what impression did you have after this event, did you manage to find new contacts and how this will affect the expansion, relatively speaking, of your projects or the involvement of some foreign competences or finances to solve those projects. which

you are currently carrying out in the interests of the armed forces. yes, indeed, we took part in this event, and i must say that this is how i feel the most positive thing is that, finally, with the arrival of a new team , the minstratekhprom is becoming a powerful player, a state player, in this segment, and we hope that the new minister, with his team, will still be able to resolve all the issues that we have have already accumulated over the years, this is what we talked about, and long-term contracts, and approaches to pricing, and in general , let's say, the participation of the state in the development of the latest models, but at the same time, this forum really gave an opportunity to talk with colleagues with colleagues from ukraine, with colleagues from

of the united states, we. france, germany, really exchange thoughts, ideas, there are certain, let's say, plans for cooperation, but still, it seems to me that we should not, should not, emphasize that we will be given some technologies, some will be transferred to us products, we must rely on our potential, on our capabilities, and , of course, we can use the capabilities of our foreign partners in projects that may be of interest to us, as well as to them, because this is a business in any case and they will not invest money in those projects, or their competences, which, let's say, will not return to them with any results in the future. mr. artem, thank you very much for the inclusion, for your time, for what you are doing for our country, for our defense capability. and i will remind our viewers that it was artem v'unnyk,

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with the collection of equipment, but with the continuation of the things that echoed in the theses of your predecessor in the program of artem vyunnik. what he said, he said about that there is now such a difficult situation related to the reservation of personnel who manufacture weapons equipment in his company, in a number of companies, then i would like to ask if this problem exists for energy 2000 and i would like your answer to be heard on to the television videos that our directors are currently showing to understand the technological level of the simulators that are manufactured by the energy 2000 company and how... they are complex and so that all the viewers can see what a military simulator really is, so what do you have with the personnel, with reservation, with enough personnel to make such compositions. things, unfortunately, our company is no different from the rest of the private

, and sometimes state-owned companies that produce military or dual purpose products, and it is very difficult to reserve personnel, that is why sometimes there are even such questions that if a person received armor, then a person received armor for a certain period, ot, but all these documents come to the territorial recruitment center, and after a person received armor, he goes through a military hospital accordingly commission, she receives a lot of information and then brings a copy of the armor to the territorial assembly center, and there the person is told right in front of his face that as soon as you run out of armor, you will be the first to be mobilized... and we are forced quite often, in such

cases, or to repeat the reservation, or indeed we already have cases when people were simply mobilized and we lost valuable specialists, and by the way, as now with the state defense order and the production of simulators for the armed forces, this process continues, because here we are now saw simulators for armored personnel carriers, we know that you also make simulators for manpads and atgms. what is the current demand for these components, how are they ordered, how are they used by the military in the current hostilities? well, let's say this, in the last 20 months, the number of simulators that we manufacture for the armed forces of ukraine, for the state border service of ukraine and for the national guard of ukraine has increased by an order of magnitude. there is a problem, there are many problems, problems of such

a nature that it is very difficult to predict what will be necessary literally in two or three months, that is, the design and release terms are compressed to the maximum possible minimum, but the process of treating children 's diseases, what has been developed and launched, unfortunately, it is still, well, it is almost impossible to shorten this term, so we have to cooperate very closely with operations and try to bring everything to completion as soon as possible. mr. mykola, now we have a lot of samples of foreign equipment, from tanks over there, bmps. should this segment be filled. by national manufacturers of simulators in order to improve the use of this equipment, has our military

leadership not yet reached this point? knows the ways, the first way is to ask for simulators from the manufacturers who supply us with weapons, but western-made simulators are more expensive, sometimes five times, sometimes ten times, that is. there is one way and another way to develop and put into operation simulators of ukrainian production, but we receive a lot of samples of equipment and weapons and it is almost impossible to cover the entire list, this is the first component of the question, and the second component of the question, unfortunately, the ministry the defense and the general staff cannot predict how many of the number of... samples of military equipment of one type that we received today will remain in service

the day after tomorrow, that is, literally in two or three months we can, we can lose about a third on the battlefield, that is , and if the hostilities will continue for a year and a half or two, then we can lose much more, and accordingly, then the need for such a simulator will disappear. so, if there is a guarantee that the supply of this very sample will continue, then definitely, there in a year and a half to produce such a simulator and prepare the personnel who will operate this equipment, and even the personnel who will come to replace the one who will be out there due to injuries or due to some other situations, clearly and directly to the use of armored vehicles on the battlefield, now we have received a certain number

of foreign powerful tanks and these tanks were developed for a certain... tactics of use on the battlefield, which is different from the soviet one, which we partially inherited. i would like you to evaluate whether it should the organizational structure should change, should the approaches to the use of western armored vehicles change compared to those of ex-soviet models, and do our teams of brigades, battalions know exactly how to optimally use foreign equipment, or sometimes tanks, because i talked to some officers who they say that it would be very good if, when planning combat operations , the brigade commander or battalion commander always had a tank operator nearby who would give advice on how to use the tank optimally in order to really achieve the goal and have fewer losses, so explain your vision: foreign equipment, tactics of use, normal structures, and

the optimal approaches for the actions of our commanders? the presence of new technology should definitely affect the tactics of using this technology, because we get more powerful tools, and in order to use them with the greatest efficiency, we must change the approaches to using these tools, unfortunately, now the situation is like this , that battalion commanders become officers who have just graduated the military department, and then they served for some time, or did not even serve, and their professional growth took place already in the last 20 months, or before that they took part in an anti-terrorist operation, and then in the operation of the united forces, that is, there was

absolutely a different nature of hostilities, er, and this is such a category , which is the level of brigade headquarters, the level of battalions, it is not able to very quickly assimilate all that information and all those changes that are necessary for the correct organization of the use of foreign equipment on the battlefield, that is and those officers who declare that it is necessary to have specialists in the brigade headquarters... that will participate in the planning of combat operations, that they must know the capabilities of the equipment, the differences in the equipment, that there should be no planning for the participation of the entire company, which will be concentrated on the area there up to a kilometer and to advance in one line, and that foreign equipment is usually used in pairs

, when one tank covers another tank, that tank moves when it occupies a favorable position, performs tasks, those that stand in support of the infantry, then begins to cover the second the machine and begins to move, that is, these are all the processes, unfortunately, they do not always take place in a timely manner due to retraining, and there is another problem, it is necessary to send when we send the personnel, for the training of the battalion, it is necessary to send for training not only the battalion commander , the chief of staff of the battalion and all tankers, and it is necessary to send several officers from the operational department of the brigade headquarters, at least the deputy commander of the brigade or the deputy chief of the brigade headquarters, so that people

understand what they are getting and as possible better organize... combat operations to use the potential. in the same way, it is necessary to change the staff structure, why, because we must have for a full -fledged organization and conduct of hostilities, the headquarters of a battalion consists of five people, and the headquarters of battalions consists of 25-30 people. about completely different numbers, unfortunately , so far these problems are solved in our country very difficult, that is , in fact, the management link is too narrow a bottleneck in order to digest the large amount of information that is currently available on polyboy, to plan correctly, to optimally use the capabilities of each model of equipment, that's how it works, and here i am, we now have