[000:00:00;00] please, good evening everyone, everything is calculated so that at any moment the locals can hide here, there are two places and here are two more places, for this night, this will also be my home, also, this bunker, i am sleeping here today and i hope that in the morning we will be able to go and pick up the children. good evening. the bunker is filled with volunteers, we have quite a diverse company. i... he usually dances with the children, teaches hip-hop. katrusya sets the table, she is helped by actor and tv presenter serhiy kazaryn, everyone calls him stepanych here. antonivsky restaurant. five stars, mixed. among the locals , mrs. maria is the first to arrive. i haven't heard from here for five months, but i'm afraid at home, i run around

this room when they arrive. i will think about this house as it will not save me, oh, but here at least i can rest for the night, i survived the occupation, now shelling, but here in the basement the first thing he talks about is victory, for ukraine, we are the glory of ukraine, he comes to visit us serhii ivashchenko, the head of the antonivska community, currently has about seven people in his community, but first of all, he is worried about the children. children on sorry a lot. maybe for someone the number there is about 150 - it is not a lot, but i think that living in a place like antonivskyi obrug, which is shelled several times every day, when from five to 10 houses are destroyed at once with one kab there, yes, then i i think it's very bad that, unfortunately, parents do not understand that children should not be exposed to any

risk. the mission is planned for the morning, if the shelling allows, while in the night bunker friendly reggae. in the morning, the headman serhiy and i are the first to go, he really wants to show his antonivka antonivsky starostyn district is part of antoniv starostyn district. the houses are destroyed, but he says there is no point in repairing them. now it is not advisable to do this at all, because i have houses to fly in, people came to... i flew in several times, i feel sorry for the local school, the 21st school, yes, it lasted a long time, for the last month, yes, this is our green school, for the last month , two flights, after the explosion by the occupiers of kakhovska ges, the water flooded these streets, the water was completely on the roof of this

stop, this is your workplace, yes, populated the antonivka point is the closest to the left bank, and we fly here all the time, just hoping that today we will be lucky and we will be able to slip through the shelling, there are not many people on the streets, but around this car people are gathering for morning coffee, how do you survive here, tell me nothing, little by little, we're already used to shelling, it's like a car dealership, and you make coffee, i really didn't understand at first that coffee, water, sweets, bread, and you're a local, yes, you just get everyone drunk with coffee, right? coffee, not at home, world, give it, we will drink coffee at home, they explain to us, they usually hide at home, but now they have to bring a pension, basement from basement to basement from basement, we have already made a mistake and we are wandering in the basement, we don’t go anywhere, we don’t go anywhere, these are 90-year-old grandmothers, we are trying to find our first

boy, who will go with us today, but the child was supposed to be at the same address, it turns out that this is why we have morning trips around antonivka, extreme tours in the antonivska community , i'm afraid to be mistaken, the 11th was the day before yesterday, when i arrived, the enemy can see us more than likely, especially in this area , don't need them do not underestimate, all sofa warriors, mother lions, when they say that nothing. come here, talk to the military, and you should never underestimate the enemy, and there are many of them, but nothing, the truth is behind us, so everything will be fine, meanwhile, in a special place, the capsule is already being prepared for shipment, that

too once again in mixture, strong enough. so it seems that for now, nothing yet, the water is here, yevhen is counting, or rather weighing, how many babies they can take, one, two, three, well, i'm already 100 km, four, five, well, about seven, probably eight, how many children do you have, for serhiy is preparing the set for me, wiping the glass, katya is already... packed , we are getting ready with god, dude, tell me how the area for children is, it’s normal, i’m getting used to it, testing it, i think,

such a territory, which is armored, itself, the volunteers decided, the children should not gather, it should be taken from the house, yes, the mood is good, because we are doing a good deed and we need to do it today, and now... we are driving up to antonivsky bridge, the first to sit down is 13-year-old denys, mother is worried, let the child go, rest, all the more so when such shelling began to be strong, sit here, i can kiss, good day, good luck on the path, when all are alive and healthy, fine, and don’t cry, they are all kissed and given bags of in the carpathians, where they are going, it will be much more accessible, how long they will stay in the mountains, it is unknown, the volunteers are persuading the children

to stay longer, come on , let's get to know each other little by little, tell me your name, it's very, very nice, and my name is natalya, we were told , you must be an actor, hello sun, hello hello, one more sun, now in our armored capsule, there are already seven children, already one mother, and our whole team, that’s not all, there will be more, the children write greetings on the walls of the bus to those who will go here after them, a promise to the wall, return. children are also being taken from kherson, we are waiting in the city to the sounds of explosions. while dancing in a smaller capsule , veronika, dmytryk, katrusya and rostyk have already become friends, they talk about the economy and shrapnel

from shells. two dogs, a cat, fish, one fish, a parrot, a female, a lovebird, chickens, and karlykova was also there, but she flew away, oh, well, a big household, it was bigger, but now it's smaller, and why? well , we had geese, but then they did not become salted, but no, we got into trouble, and why did you ask about the fragments? and if it flew nearby, here we are, over there, over there. there is a pile of shrapnel there, i found a large shrapnel in my yard, the body of the box workers is lying at home, they are singing to me the red viburnum

, somewhere it explodes again, and we will pick up that red viburnum, later we will find out that at that moment two people died in kherson, they were brother and sister and cleaned. near a relative's cafe, volunteer serhii on pseudo-fart, so he was nicknamed because he is lucky to get out of shelling, tells us that the most difficult thing is to persuade the parents to agree to take the children out , for 3 days in a row we did not hear advice on how to get out of the situation, we heard advice, we should is it, will there be children, will anyone be taken out, will anyone be evacuated, these are the moments? they force a little, but don't be disappointed, this is us dzhem, this is global empowerment missional, unfortunately, the morning is beginning, you see how in kherson at the moment

time we have more than 5,500 children, unfortunately, some of the children returned when it was more or less calm, some of the children returned with their families, due to the fact that they could not endure, for example, there are some financial problems . the children of the village of komyshany are already waiting for us, the situation there is a little better and the children were taken out by regular transport, if the hearing is bad, it's fine, nothing can be heard, but if the hearing is good. plugging, angela wonders if she will be able to go to a normal school and make friends with children, i brought it twice, twice, where my class was downstairs, well, before i was little , but i went to the next class and a little, a little closer there, a big bus is already waiting for everyone, it’s noisy and fun here, oh, i love to travel , probably

the glory of the nation for the eighth time. ukraine, above all, ukraine, above all, on the way we pick up the smallest member of the expedition, he is a boy, he is one and a half years old, and he is leaving with his mother, on the way there is a field on fire after a powerful explosion, our bus is in a great hurry, at two o'clock in the afternoon in odesa on the children are waiting for the train, at the last moment we managed to agree on a separate car, but there are terrible traffic jams in odesa itself, escort cars meet us and drive us, without them we definitely wouldn't have made it. you have to run on the platform, there is not much time before the departure of the train, and the car is at the very end. in fact, we managed to get to the train about 10-15 minutes before its departure, but the most important thing is that all these children will now be safe. because of them , the train is delayed for a few minutes,

the children go, and we are happy. thank you, they only violate, and we immediately begin to miss they managed to throw toys and a lot of delicious food into the wagon for the children. more than 17 hours of travel ahead. at 15:00 in the morning, kherson children are unloaded in yaremchi, they are already met by my colleague, tsn correspondent from ivano-frankivsk alla paz. the children are cheerful, laughing and confessing that they didn't sleep at all because they fought over a bet. we bet 100 hryvnias on who will fall asleep first, they don't hide it anymore, they also missed us a little. hello, but tell to whom, natalya gorryna. they have adventures ahead of them, in which we hope there will be no war. fine. and

there will be school, friends, entertainment, but one day we will definitely meet again in free ukrainian antonivka and kherson from kherson oblast and prykarpattia. natalya nagorna, volodymyr cherrenkov, alla paz, roman ducyk and nina grushetska, tsn. 1.1 marathon the only news is that you sat down, everything is fine. chevrons approaching victory, and another year when we do not celebrate, but choose our independence, and another day when they try to deprive us of the right to be ourselves. and

another fleeting moment of a terrible war that has been going on for centuries, but the whole world is already convinced our independence should not be stolen, drowned , burned, shot, and the greater our hatred, the stronger our independence, the closer our victory. we prove independence every day. how are you, everything is fine, like children, like a mother, i have more or less everything, well, almost , of course, that fatigue, of course insomnia, but in no case do not despair, because the strength is here, inside us, and in those who next to me, we will overcome everything, of course, i... i also remember the first weeks, it was as if i was conjuring and lived only

by work, everything that brought joy to it, somehow disappeared, then the enemy began shelling our cities and our power line. the days without light, communication and heat have come. i started going on the air and explaining to ukrainians what was happening and what would happen next. at some point, i remembered my old hobby, about photography, because no matter what the crisis, we must leave time for ourselves to be happy here and now. do you want to learn how to help yourself and others? go to how are you.com. 1.1 continues the national telethon, with you your favorite format of the discussion platform night watch, natalya ustrovska, i evgeny plinskyi, today we will talk about a topic that is definitely of interest to everyone, even those ukrainians who have never

been interested in events taking place outside the country, we are talking about international support and a difficult period: relations with european partners, well, european-political riots, they are taking place against the background of tragic events , in fact, first the village of groza in kharkiv oblast, then kharkiv itself, these news are definitely seen by european politicians who oppose the provision of arms to ukraine, but will they change their rhetoric after this escalation , which has started now, what will happen next, how it will affect the front at these events, and why some representatives of european political forces frankly do not see. russian terrorism, how to actually perceive the pre-election and post-election turmoil in europe, we will talk with our guest, taras simeniuk, an international political scientist, congratulations, thank you for visiting, congratulations, good night, mr. taras,

i want to start right away with the last statement of volodymyr zelenskyi in spain, which already speaks openly and loudly about the freezing of the war, the fact that russia is considering this scenario and specifically names the date 2028 and emphasizes that if europe does not help ukraine now, then some european countries may also find themselves at the epicenter of russian aggression, this is not a hint, but such a frank conversation for the whole world. do you think this is more of a political statement, or is it a real realistic scenario that could happen in 2028, actually the president, he is different. stresses and mentions that there is a danger of a frozen conflict, and remember, there was the moment when the president hinted, it was at the un assembly , that it seems that certain negotiations are taking place behind ukraine's back, certain discussions are taking place, and this is true, yes, that is, they are discussing on the sidelines, because ukraine is important, and if they are discussing

ukraine, then it is important, but in the perspective of war, obviously, we have to understand that we... are approaching the stage when we no longer have to rely on someone, but we have to rely on ourselves, it is unpleasant, it is, but it is such, such is the truth, and it is difficult, for us europe and the united states the states of america help a lot with weapons, they will help , it's not that they don't want to help us, but the democratic institutions in the countries of the european union, and those in the united states, they pay attention to their internal politics, how the process of helping ukraine, so that we understand, every government of a european country, it makes certain fateful decisions , strategic decisions, especially regarding aid to ukraine, relying on public opinion in its state, that is, if conditionally, in the netherlands, let's take, yes, the country , which to

war was somewhat neutral towards our country, if support, support of sympathy, or so-called... empathy for ukrainians because of the war is high, yes, that is , they support us and believe that ukraine needs to be defended, give it weapons, then the government , for example mark rutte, can very easily give us weapons and give away all his 42 f16 aircraft, which the netherlands actually owns, if the approval of society is the most important thing for him, well, he has already received it, that is, sociologists have shown that look, there is support, which means there are no political risks, because in europe governments are measured by ratings and attitudes towards themselves, well, that is, they see the next election in the future, in the netherlands, by the way, there will be elections in november this year, and it’s like this, you know, a cascade of elections that in europe will come, this is a continuation after poland, but

we have to live, because we see that the closer the elections in poland are, the more ambiguous the statements become in relation to ukraine, the reverse side of this process, if in society there sometimes artificial shaking that ukraine does not really need to be helped, and ukraine creates certain problems, well, what about the agricultural sector in poland, politicians immediately react and start playing with this mood, and here i will tell you that we are now moving on to something very interesting stage, and i would separate two forms of diplomacy, there is the diplomacy of justice, there is the diplomacy of interests, and the diplomacy of war, i would add not yet, but let’s, let’s take a look at these two for now, so that we can sort out what’s involved, what’s involved the problem is, when president zelenskyi shows the bully, when he shows atrocities that the russians will commit to ours, to our people, to our people. it includes the diplomacy of justice, that is, the world sees, the world changes its attitude, what happened, for example, with the chancellor of germany, who

visited bucha, visited chernihiv oblast and even came under fire and he was forced to hide in a shelter, so it worked for him , and after this trip, scholz actually gave the green light to arm ukraine from his state, that is, diplomacy works fairly, that is, there is a country that started a war, a country that kills the peaceful the population of a neighboring state, rightly it should be given weapons for protection and for the restoration of territorial integrity. but now we are moving on to the diplomacy of interests. when president zelenskyi speaks at the un general assembly about the fact that we have neighbors, we have, even, he said not neighbors, but there are... there are our allies, without naming anyone, moreover, yes, which, as it were

cooperate, repeat moscow's steps, what will we get in return, poland's answer, yes, so you consider us to be moscow's allies, so we are blocking your payments to your citizens, refugees, we are closing the transport corridor because our interests in the framework of the elections taking place now in poland are more important than our geopolitical situation. and even the war that russia started, or maybe volodymyr zelenskyy is conducting war diplomacy, he already openly states that this is not diplomacy, he is diplomacy, it is something else, but he, he emphasizes justice and he is right, that is, in our perspective, the diplomacy of justice must continue to work, but poland thinks in a different perspective, and its own interests, that is, when we had the opportunity to transport our grain through poland to the ports of kdansk and kdyni, from where they were already leaving. on ships, in the sea, uh, individual companies, they somehow managed to dump this grain and sell it on the territory of poland, by which they

actually dumped the prices on the market and polish farmers were left with nothing, accordingly they appealed to the ruling authorities, namely the ruling authorities peace, law and justice, it serves the interests of small and medium-sized farmers, but the united states is the first to give weapons, germany is supported as it was. yes, and you understand why, for example, because germany is fully dependent , it builds its defense on the basis of the united states of america, because since the beginning of the second world war, germany has reduced its military presence in this state, that is, there was demilitarization after the defeat of germany after the second war. here is the historical consequence. so, obviously, germany is looking at the united states of america, as they will be told, and then germany will actually make the decision according to taurus, what was the final decision regarding the leopards, so the same, that is, do not screw up until now, and apparently, it turns out that way, it boils down to the fact that

they constantly need time, and they prick, prick, prick the situation, and then yes, we give you leopards, and that’s how it works, that is, if we talk about two diplomacy, two paths of diplomats , we obviously have them, president zelenskyy talks about justice and he always talks about it, but it’s not always appropriate to talk about diplomacy, it doesn’t always work. especially now, when there is danger the fact that some parts of european countries will come to power, well, let's call them pacifists, that is, those who don't, who want to distance themselves from the war, shield themselves from the war and say, this is not our war, okay, we gave ukraine weapons, let's let ukraine show some result on the battlefield, and then, you know, think about some other things, after all, war is a global thing, let's arm ourselves, well, it's cynical, on the one hand, when...' scanders fly in and killing over 50 people, obviously i'm with you this is extremely cynical, but we must understand that there will be such a time when

our allies will treat us cynically, and this too, i do not want to scare anyone, but we do not mean that we should sit down, you know, and cry, and i, as you know, in the ancient, even in the old testament, they said to scatter ourselves and consider ourselves great victims, no, we have to adapt to this moment, we have to... that diplomacy of interests, this is also what we have to do to work, we have, yes, so if it was not worth it, we must calculate the steps ahead, conditionally, if we we introduce some bank, i am talking about the otp bank of hungary, we introduce sponsors there, yes, did we understand what this could lead to, because hungary is now blocking all our decisions, literally according to the european union, the first requirement was remove... this bank was removed from the list, and now they have gone further, they say, and we want a guarantee that you will not include it again, that is, this is it, you see

the diplomacy of interests, it involves another approach to... to the assessment of the site, to the assessment of risks, i am talking about risks, in business risk assessment is extremely important today, because if you do not compare risks and opportunities, you will not have profit and everything , and your business will collapse, so calculating risks in diplomacy is extremely important, somewhere you include the diplomacy of justice, and somewhere you have to include interests, because you understand that justice does not work here, no matter how much you tell orbán that the war is cruel and that russia started it. the war kills our population, it's like a pea against a wall, to him, he has a completely different vision, and here it is necessary to change the approach to hungary, not to change one's attitude, it is possible to really include interests, so that the hungarians are also dependent on some of our opportunities, and then they will be more conciliatory, the fact that hungary, slovakia and poland are also dependent on the european budget, because they receive funds, if, for example, earlier i saw very

interesting statistics, for example, italy pays there, for example, 20 billion euros to european funds, receives 12 less in return, hungary pays three, receives five, well, someone is in profit, i.e. hungary is in profit in this regard, and in this case we understand that smaller countries in europe, they are dependent on the european budget, and this is the main trump card , it is a joker, which can actually be used in negotiations, plus the nato factor and the presence of the united states of america. more than once, budapest changed its decision when, when the white house called and , well, let's say, talked hard with budapest, and why didn't we calculate the risks with poland when we launched the grain corridor through poland, and they did not see these scenarios, so that the grain that our businessmen drop there could lead to this, well, to the development of events that we have now, whether it is about

the account of our diplomacy, whether it is about the foresight of our business or the rest, i think there are two factors here, we proceed from the fact that what our business had expected, that is , russia is destroying our infrastructure on the one hand, that is, we cannot export our grain, we have enough of it, there are still stocks of last year and under, as they say, props up, a new crop is suitable, and we don't know what to do with it, obviously the farmers are looking for an opportunity , as soon as possible, where to sell it, an opportunity arose to sell it in poland, but here is the question, poland immediately began to appeal, yes, who bought this grain, yes, poles, polish companies, so if the polish government wants to talk about sanctions against us, let them also sanction the companies that bought this grain, a polish trader who has the option to buy polish grain conditionally there for $250, he takes ours 100 each, will take our

post and it does not yield, then it is us now we are talking about the market frame. the market in the market always works, if the price is lower, obviously, everyone goes where the price is lower, especially if the quality is not inferior, on the other hand, if we talk about strategic relations between states, this is already a question for our authorities, this is already a question for the elites , to the minister, to the prime minister, this is not about diplomacy , the specialized ministries are working, we asked this question live to the minister of agrarian policy, and he says that they are conducting negotiations, but why did they become more passable relations, we will talk about poland in two minutes,