[000:00:00;00] obviously, we will take 100 of ours and it is not inferior, then we are now talking about the market frame, the market in the market always works if the price is lower, obviously everyone goes where the price is lower, especially if the quality is not inferior, on the other hand, if we say about strategic relations between states, this is already a question for our authorities, this is already a question for the elites, for the minister, for the prime minister, this is not about diplomacy, it is about the relevant ministries. we asked this question live to the minister of agrarian policy, and he said that they are negotiating, and that's why poland's relations have become more passable, we'll talk in two minutes,

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and protects the child. the ban does not apply here, trust is effective. read more tips in the cybersecurity section of the dovidka website. info. let's go together. 1.1 returns to the air, the night watch. natali ostrovska, i'm yevhen plinsky. taras semenyuk, an international political scientist, is our guest. about the difficult stage of ukraine's relations with poland and international support, which we really need, but whether it will be available in the near future due to all these difficulties, including the election process in the eu, we discuss on our broadcast. mr. taras , we would conclude by saying that the issue of the grain conflict with poland is, on the one hand, purely a matter of business, yes, who buys,

polish traders bought grain there cheaper, on the other hand, it was converted... into diplomatic and already political problems that are brewing in relations with poland, the risks that have arisen, was it possible to calculate them, how should we now get out of them, i think it was possible to calculate , this is already a matter for the relevant ministry, obviously negotiators and business, yes, that is, in my opinion, it should look like this, the minister calls others, i say look, i have a question, i have a problem, yes, let's do it somehow let's decide don't shut me up country, because i need your ports, after all, we are not asking for logistics , as they say probono or volunteer volunteer service, we pay for companies pay for, so your business abuses and you do not have 5,000 traders there, you have 5 - 10 traders you know, and they just dump their grain, so why do poles buy this grain then, let's let the government first work with those who buy grain, if it is conditional in polish legislation to prohibit polish traders

from buying. foreign grain, but only in their own farmers, then i understand that we are clearly breaking the law, and we are talking about the market , that is, we are within the framework of the roman, if our wheat is not inferior in quality to polish and wanted to buy ours, because it is cheaper, i do not see any problems, especially european european , the european commission gave a type of permission, well, conditionally, that is, it said okay, ukraine can drive, the country is at war and we have to earn money, if we talk about certain strategic goals, obviously in this plan we should somewhere predict what it might be, taking into account the obvious factor of the elections that will take place on the 15th october than in two weeks it will happen, how will it play out in the elections, well actually in a week, accordingly, this means that we have an understanding of what we have not taken into account, maybe that the ruling party, which, as i mentioned, is running

protects the interests of the small and medium-sized farmer in poland, what can be such a reaction, and even more so, it is such a rather radical party, that is, it is partly populist to a certain extent, and partly it is so, well, ultra-nationalist in poland, we have to remember remember that poland is a mononation. not like us, but this is a mononation, and a mononation always gathers around a common enemy, a board, around a common problem, and obviously, here, if their interests are affected, they will react, but a very important fact, then you see, history increased , it was pumped up, pumped up, the degree increased, and it got to the point that we will not supply weapons to ukraine , and everyone counted, well, that’s all, so this is the end, well, if only poland were united, but let’s sort out poland now, the heads gathered in kyiv , this is the first time such a historic meeting was held outside the borders of the european union, and the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of poland just did not come, you are connecting his non-arrival, he officially said because of the coronavirus with what we talked about,

it was indicative, this is before the election process, you know, if it is really the coronavirus , that is, the person fell ill, i think that if there really is such a reason for this, then obviously the minister should stay at home on sick leave, but this should be monitored for the activity of his representative. yes, but it should be followed by his activity in poland, whether he is later, or he is the next the day did not appear somewhere at some event, i think, i think that in this regard, we, our analysts, can deal with it, follow it up, you can't hide anything now, but obviously, it's not the absence of poland, it's a negative factor, so that rather, the congress itself in kyiv, it is not a congress like some, let's say an institutional one, which should implement certain decisions, it is more. congress to show that ukraine is part of europe, since we are not a member of the european union, but this very presence of ministers, it shows that ukraine will become a member of the european union in

the future, so there is an obvious absence, i understand why peter sjatro did not come, yes, the minister of funeral affairs of hungary, but why the poles did not come, well, for me this is a certain question, but we wish the minister good health, if true, a few weeks ago we heard that the ukrainians...' please wait for the elections in poland to be over and everything will stabilize, because you have to understand, this is still politics, depending , who will win, as in slovakia, who will form the options for the coalition are now in poland, well, there really is, as they say, there is a rift in western ukraine, there is such a rift going on that everything is just pouring down, yes, obviously, obviously, the ruling party is trying to preserve, preserve power, this is her second, second term in a row, in power. it is so obvious to lose everything, and everything is at stake here , and i always divide political communications into pre-election rhetoric and post -election rhetoric, that is, the hope that the rhetoric will change after the election, even if peace again

will come to power, well, i have it, because to lose a good transit , for which we pay money, well, i think it would not be quite, transit for weapons, you mean, for cheese, for grain, that's why, that is, poland has from this. disk, well, because he also pays for weapons, and logistics, weapons that arrive in rzeszów or krakow, obviously, i say, this is not volunteering, that is, to lose such items of income, well, it would not be entirely reasonable in my opinion , we hope that this degree will decrease, but it will not decrease immediately, i.e., if there are going to be any certain negotiations, there will be reach certain, let's say, agreements, they will gradually remove something, not immediately, even if... donald tusk comes, although he is pro-ukrainian, pro-european, even if donald tusk comes to power and will form a government on his own, this does not mean that everything immediately, everything will change, i.e. there will be a phase, these restrictions will be gradually removed, and i think that

the new polish authorities and our officials will have enough common sense to find this understanding, because poland is extremely, fundamentally important to us, and is there there are risks for poland that a party will come to power and gain some, well, if not a majority, but a large percentage, which is something similar to the party of smej, smer, which came to power in slovakia, well, there is this confederation, which is in third place , it is so pro-russian slogans, and in fact, it is so , that is, analysts and we see that if this party is part of the government, it can be such an unpleasant surprise for poland, but i do not think that poland will completely turn away, yes, that is, or will close the borders, after all, it is political rhetoric, what is happening in slovakia, let's see how the government will be formed, but for now these are all political statements, let me remind you that both poland and slovakia are countries.

which depends on european funds, well, there were also investigations of polish and ukrainian profile journalists, agrarians about the fact that the destabilization of the situation with ukraine is being done by polish agrarian activists, who are involved in one way or another in russia, who have some connections, and here it is very, very profitable for russia to shake up this agrarian case and relations ukraine and poland, well, you know, it is obviously beneficial in the framework of the election campaign, let's say it like that, because it is obvious, everyone is looking for voters who would vote for them, but we see that, for example, donald tusk, he is not so categorical in his rhetoric, yes, that is, he is more about global changes in poland itself, because everyone is tired of this from the two-year that, proletarian interests in poland, obviously also about european ones, that is, he believes that the policy of today's government absolutely is, it is does not lead to any growth

in terms of... there, on the contrary, the economic problem only exacerbates the problems with the european union and, let's say, with the neighbors, so i think that in this regard, let's see what the election results will be, and how the coalition will be formed, or can one party win, yes, but she will be entrusted, the president will give her the opportunity to form a coalition, if she is unable to form a coalition, the next party will be formed in the same way . slovakia, you know, we have this one, there will be unpleasant surprises, we have to get used to it, we have to throw off a long time ago, as they say, pink glasses out, that is, we have to throw away pink glasses and thus get used to other geopolitical realities, which means that we have to look for this, include diplomacy of interests, and of course people. can’t always work now, you

are so cool, educated, smart, but ordinary people in hospitals, they say that such a pro-russian won and say that they will block the supply of weapons to us now, and in there is a certain division in europe, and what will happen next, we will have to sit down at the table of transitions , these are the words of ordinary people who have nothing to do with international politics, for example, when i talk to diplomats, europeans, i hear similar rhetoric , there, oh, you have to make peace with the russians, because you are neighbors, and so on and so forth, there god be with him with that crimea, well, such things, you know, unpleasant, yes, i say, yes, and why you give your territory there, for example, to a neighboring state that previously owned it, how do you like it, it's painful it will be, yes, of course, it will be painful, obviously, and therefore, i say, you understand, if we fall, then let putin reach lviv, but he will go further, he will not stop, but he will not go alone , china, iran, north korea will be involved, well, it seems to me that there is a leader. european politicians do not understand this yet, they continue

individual policies, that is, those who are currently in power, they understand this, that is why they help us with weapons, and there are those elites who want to become elites, yes, that is, those bodies who want to become elites, and they play this card you know, this type of pacifism, that is, let's stop it, because the war makes everyone poor, makes everyone suffer, we don't need it, we need to negotiate, i just want to add a tip here. the president of slovakia, zuzana chaputova spoke against the provision of a new package of military aid to ukraine in connection with the result of the parliamentary elections, where the anti-ukrainian smer party of former prime minister robert fitz won, that is, she came out: "we support the position and the opinions of our citizens who elected this party, she received the majority, therefore, and this party is against supporting ukraine, that is why we are suspending, uh, actually, and poland and slovakia, they actually..." gave everything they had from the old reserves,

now they are intensively replenishing their, let's say, their stables , let's call it that, new technology, but even with poland there was a moment when prime minister mr. morovetskyi said that we will not give weapons to ukraine from now on, everyone knows that, that's how it is, and then he continues, for the day continues its phrase that you seem to have misunderstood me, a new one weapons, it's as if we didn't ask for new weapons, it seems to me. in the text of this, is it profitable for the west to freeze the war in order to replenish supplies, and to freeze the war means simply to put it on pause, and in europe they clearly understand this, well, what the president says that in the 28th year russia will return to invasion, but how much did it take, how much did it take for russia to prepare for the war, which is now 30 years, how much did it take for azerbaijan to prepare for the war with armenia, to return the hag karabakh 30 years, that is, it is

that period, the ideal period to prepare the armed forces to make a revenge, so obviously russia, unless the political class in the country changes. because everything comes from the political class, that is, which sets a certain dynamic, a certain tone of where the country is moving and with what emotions, it enters the international arena, but nato did not prepare for such a war and now it is necessary to replenish stocks, produce shells, well they they are gradually, they are doing it gradually, they understand that it is necessary to replenish the reserves, and they are intensively militarizing, but the problem in that old europe. after the second world war, as all generations were taught, we know, on may 8 they celebrate victory day, which is a message, never again , that is, all programs, all educational programs prepared future

generations for the fact that there will be no more war will be in europe, and now the war is looming, and it is obvious that those who were brought up in such a philosophy, it is difficult for them to understand that it is necessary to come again to the military... rails, partly to replenish supplies, partly the european economy must go to the military rails , i.e transform the funds earned by the european economy into the production of shells, artillery shells, howitzers, new planes, tanks, self-propelled guns, everything that is needed for the front , because if this is not done, obviously russia will increase its potential, you know, for some europeans, their european countries, leaders, citizens, our war has turned into a certain netflix series, when you watch this war on tv, you sympathize in this country, you can even join some support, support

refugees, support people, go to some a rally in support of ukraine with a flag, but when the question concerns specifics, military support, the component that can end this war, there are some stops and fluctuations, let's talk, will this not lead to escalation, and not drag it into us , and for me, in recent days, the most striking example is when, from the side of romania, the romanian military, which is opposite, at the mouth of the danube, stands and films how the shaheds fly over the territory of ukraine, this is a few hundred meters from them, are ringing explosions, our military with all existing weapons are trying to ... shoot down these shaheds flying through our ports, and the romanian military is standing, just filming it, and for them it's like a movie, that is, it's some kind of show that takes place, abroad, cross , which this war will never be able to, and here and there the fragments of drones have already flown to some part of them to romania missiles

, russian missiles have already flown, fragments to poland, missiles, some parts, but still for them this war remains, somewhere behind the steel screen, behind a transparent screen, and she never i don't know how to explain to them that at some point these 40 shaheds flying on the rhine can fly to budapest, bucharest, warsaw, wroclaw, any city in europe, berlin, well, until they arrive there, they will not understand what war is, absolutely, that is, when they, these shaheds are not for it, will not start hitting objects, in romania itself, and this is already a con, this will actually be a claim to the fifth article on the collective security of nato, obviously then they will not understand, human nature is like that, there is such a science, anthropology, it is studied here the behavior of a person, that is a person, well, until it is touched, she, she does not understand whether we were very worried about the war in syria, well, we watched it on

tv, the same in spain, the spaniards are watching, well, there is a war, okay, we give weapons to ukraine , it is valuable, but so human. how to convince them with the facts, yes, with the facts and what we said, show as much as possible what is happening, what russia is doing, because if you do not show, in european countries, what is happening in our country, they understand, so everything is fine , so they reconciled, apparently, there is no war, that is, the european viewer perceives through the picture, because even the cults, let’s turn off this war, press pause and there are such cases, so in this case i understand that zelensky, he is making an effort to to show that the war is still going on and we need support , but we also need to understand as much as possible inside the country that eternal support cannot last, we have to

adapt to this diplomacy of interests, put justice, perhaps somewhere higher than diplomacy, because she is no longer working, and evgeny mentioned the case of romania, now air defense systems are being moved closer to the borders with ukraine in romania, and when will these air defense systems be able to help? for example, a missile flies, how many kilometers does it have to approach. to the romanian-ukrainian border, in order for these pppo to work, i don't know here , it is necessary to communicate with specialists, but it seems to me that the romanian pppo will work when this racket crosses the border of romania, that's all, it won't, they won't to shoot, when there is still a minefield on our territory, and doesn't one get the impression that europe, that is by the actions of romania, romania is approaching the air defense system of the past, or it seems, in the spring of this year, the united states relocated its additional military units to romania, is actively purchasing air defense systems and south korean tanks, that is, they are actively militarizing,

don't you have the feeling that poland, well, not poland, the countries of europe have already recognized that war on their territory is inevitable, and they, they are now starting to prepare for it, and the conversations that the president tells us about, which may arise, and under the freezing of this conflict for some time, that this is a real scenario, for which europe and the world are already preparing. any responsible government, even if it is a government far, very far territorial before a possible war, it prepares, it has scenarios of behavior in case you are attacked by a foreign country on their territory, whether it is poland, whether it is spain, whether it is australia , it doesn't matter, any responsible government and military, they have a script. obviously, poland and slovakia also foresee such a scenario. recently, by the way, in the context of polish elections, there was also a scandal when it was made public. secret documents of the 12th year , if i'm not mistaken, when donald tusk was still in power, that in the event of an attack by russia, conditionally

they withdraw behind the bridge, that is, the poles must withdraw behind the bridge. obviously, this was done in the middle of nowhere, it was done to drown tusk and reduce him, to make him conditional there for treason, but this is not about treason, it is about forecasting, it is about behavior in wartime, obviously we also had such documents, yes, that's why , it is better to prepare, obviously, they are preparing, and that is why, and poland, and slovakia, they bought 35 of them, they are buying the latest equipment, by the way, the hymars academy is opening in poland , so you understand, that is, they will separately teach the military to work only with hymars, because the hymars have shown themselves well in ukraine, themselves in ukraine, so and so for example, support for, to summarize, military support for will not fall, that is, we will be supported, because they understand that these weapons that are coming to us, they are being used effectively, and everyone needs

to show it, obviously, everyone understands consequences, because if russia wins, then china, iran, and north korea are involved , and then the pressure begins to rage on, because it is about the stability of democracy, the stability of democratic institutions, and obviously in this regard, if democracy loses, that's all, then authoritarianism will reign simply as a whole, when we hear about what we say, that this war is not just russia against ukraine, it is a war of authoritarianism against democracy, against the civilized world, this is a fact, let's conclude with this, thank you very much for an incredible conversation , taras semenyuk, international political scientist, night watch, natali ostrovs, i'm yevhen plinsky, see you on

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is fine, how are the children, how is mother? i have more or less everything, well almost, of course, that fatigue, of course insomnia, but in no case do not feel it, because the strength is here, inside us, and in those who are close to us, we will definitely overcome everything, the war has exacerbated everything, emotions have become sharper, the actions are the same, the best way to save me is long walks around the city, to my favorite music, and most importantly - as they say in our village, this is agrofitness. it's bad, plant potatoes, it became easier, go ahead for beets, the main thing is not to sit in four walls, because then a slipper. i even thought about starting a flower bed in the city, and at least hollyhocks on the balconies. do you want to learn how to help yourself and others? go

to how are you.com. dear viewers, 1.1 continues to work, you see, marichka padelka, i'm maksym sukhenko, and now our favorite part of the day, our favorite part of friday, begins, a big conversation, when we can lift our heads from under our feet a little and look ahead and understand what is there for us is waiting, you can already see the guests, let's be brief now let's tell you what we want to talk about, and we want to talk about the international agenda, because some picture is starting to change very dynamically, the crisis in the us congress, yes, the funding of ukraine is on hold, the dismissal of the speaker of the congress, whether europe will be able to compensate for the possible suspension of us aid to the war, this is the main question that we will discuss today. the topic of our big conversation is the support of ukraine by partners on both sides of the ocean, for which we and europe must be ready. at the meeting in granada, president zelenskyi spoke about russia's plans, putin, according to our intelligence, expects to put the war on hold, but within a few years to strike not only

ukraine, but also the baltic states, well , at least, let's talk: about the security forum in warsaw, which was held there this week, it was held under the slogan for our freedom and yours, russia was talked about as a threat, the war unleashed by the russians to change the european union, the eu countries essentially form long-term budgets taking into account a long war of attrition, while at the same time elections are held in several eu countries, slovakia, poland, how the election process affects the attitude to the war, deal with the situation, i will be with our guests, well, i will not introduce the guest, i think that you already know almost everyone, nevertheless, oleksandr hara, expert of the center for defense strategies, diplomat, kind evening, good evening, i congratulate you, ivan stupak, military expert of the ukrainian institute of the future, congratulations, congratulations, and valery klochok, political scientist, head of the center for public analysis of the tower, congratulations, let's, if possible, let's start with this statement, which, from which all now flow

maneuvers, is europe in a position to compensate, maybe, well, not a stop, i would say, but a reduction in aid from the united states, can you try to briefly formulate your vision in two minutes, will europe now have to put its shoulder much stronger and will it be able to do? yes, i think we've already seen that after president biden's call with his european allies, there was already the first, the first such aid from the united kingdom, £500 million, i think another aid will follow, this is the first moment, the second moment, the americans are now considering the possibility of using about 600 million dollars that are for the foreign financing program , that is, it is a military financing program, that is, it is help in the form of loans that can be used to buy weapons, so i think that this is a temporary suspension until elected speaker, it will also be covered by the americans, i hope, yes, but more by the europeans, mr. ivan , look, well, don’t worry, don’t worry, well, such stories happen, it’s turbulence,

you shouldn’t perceive that everything is a betrayal, we are about they sold everything, they are abandoning us, well, calm down, there is turbulence, yes, the americans have programs there that have already been approved, they are working, there, they get this money, they have invested so much money in their military-industrial complex to just throw it away, that’s all, well, let’s leave it, let’s go, yes, the europeans have the same thing, don’t worry, the most important thing here is that our policy works very well, not to disperse treason and keep order, well, we’ll actually talk about it today, mr. valery, tell me please, your vision, will have to first europe... to put its shoulder so strongly and whether it will be able to do it, and then, we do not encourage treason, we understand that the processes are objective, the elections in poland are objective, the elections in the united states are objective, well and macaroni was removed not only because of ukraine, but the consequences also affect us, i think that rather, europe, because i don’t want to, because i can’t, will do it, because for a very long time, in fact about one and

a half years, biden has been proving to the europeans , that friends, you will wake up, eventually you have