[000:00:00;00] a congresswoman is working, she met with coat pink, this is a left-wing organization that says we need to stop shooting, we need to stop giving ukraine weapons and press for diplomacy, that is, ukraine will be in a negative context, there is little we can do by arguing with politicians ourselves, with trump, vivik, it's very good that mike pence is a former vice president, they're cool, but they have, you know, they have 5-7% support there, so they're not real...competitors, the same ron desantis who there by 20, seems to be retreating from trump, he made a mistake, he also said that ukraine is a territorial problem, and then a saying, we don't know what 's in his head, he's a trumpian, he's a trump, but with brains, as they call him, what kind of politics he will have, we don't know , that's why we will have problems, and it seems to me that the only option we can do is to appeal to the electorate with great care, it should be visits by our

experts, deputies, yes, journalists, our former soldiers, we must, we must to go around the key states of these most die-hard trumpians and try to explain sees that we are just like you, and it is in your interests and even from a financial point of view, yes, since your industry works, because they do not understand it, for them ukraine is a waste of money, otherwise it is not presented as propaganda, and they don’t listen to arguments, but with regard to the nuclear issue, putin, in principle, this is a played out story, yes , putin during the voldai this institution, he said about his miracle, the new analog havnetovsky, this missile, and said that he was going to leave from the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty, this blackmail, which is aimed primarily at europeans, the further they are from russia, the more they fear russia and don't want to annoy it, i don't

think it will work the way they want. everyone understood that all these red lines that were drawn, not to attack crimea, not to give tanks, have already been crossed, that is exactly why it does not work, the second and important point, the united states, thank god, after a year and a half, they understood how it is possible to work with the russians from the point of view of this vertical escalation, and they say that it is not necessary, well, first of all, they they say, imagine what will happen to russia if it uses nuclear weapons or a dirty bomb on the territory of ukraine, this is one story, another story from... the whole world will break out, and the chinese, and the indians, and the so-called global south, and actually they public and technical pressure is on him from the point of view of what means are located near the russian borders, i mean, first of all, atovni submarines. that is, this story is russian, it is an attempt to escalate, rhetorically and instigate, no, no, no, escalate, putin would dream of creating a situation of a caribbean crisis

in 1962, when they saved the world and yes... putin says, this is ukraine, this is mine, there are such spheres of influence, but the americans, thank god , are not going for it, the europeans, in principle, will not agree either, after buchi , irpinya and what is currently happening there in the kharkiv region, and that is why he needs to push this story, periodically they beat him on the hands, and they say that there the chinese said, then the statement was accepted, here, but he still is not far behind, because he has no other tools, he cannot defeat us now, he hopes that this support will dry up and then, as he said, in a few days , and therefore it is only a horror story, he will definitely not use weapons, will he be reprimanded, will he use this as an excuse to withdraw from the agreement and conduct these nuclear tests , i don't know, maybe because it will be bad, but not as bad as being used against us, but it will be

in the rhetoric of what i am willing to apply, because i am fighting with nato, for the us, not ukraine. panevan, we have two minutes left before the news, please tell us what you think these are all the next scarecrows for europe, they are scaring europe, or europe has already grown a little, so to speak, what allows them to not be as scary as from the beginning, as at the beginning of the war the french and germans started looking for nuclear bunkers, come on, come on i will tell you about my personal experience of communicating with one german columnist, literally there a few weeks ago, i asked him, tell me... please, here you are in your information bubble, your relatives, acquaintances, those politicians with whom you communicate, on this is you here is the impression, there is a nuclear bomb, what a terrible thing, how do you feel, but we don’t accept it at all, exactly, yes, because we have such an impression, i say in ukraine that you are all afraid there, he says, in my bubble , my acquaintances, relatives, my contacts, they do not perceive it, that is, it does not affect us,

it does not affect us, that is, they want to believe that this is not a single such example, not an isolated one, but a mass one, of course , that there are such people, politicians who are affected by this, but i want to believe once again that there is already immunity from this. nuclear enema, mr. valerie, and your little one comments about the nuclear issue, they have changed their attitude, no, the same comments appear from time to time, then medvedov will drink somewhere in the morning , you know, or he won’t have time to drink, white is also enough, and eh, my observation shows that these statements are echoed in those moments when all is not well in russia and this is a good sign, yes, because today there was a report that artillery is coming from north korea, but not a fact, is it a regular supply or not? we put three dots, we will continue this idea, and also we did not have time to talk about the unity of europe, which is happening now in europe in preparations for large, large number of elections.

we continue our big conversation about what we can expect from the elections in the united states, whether europe is ready to lend a shoulder, and again how we can get through this turbulence, because europe is already here, and the poles are almost, almost entering the electoral process, as we survive the turbulence, isn't it? these are internal questions, whether ukraine will be distracted from the war and whether everyone will try to use ukraine in their games. i will remind you, yes, i will be happy to remind our guests, valery klachok, ivan stupak, oleksandr khara, let's move on to the european trip , because we know that there was a summit in granada, where there were almost 50 european countries, and you know what surprised me, i saw an article in which it was written that one one of the main tasks of the president of ukraine was... unity in support of kyiv, it seems to me that even six months ago , president zelenskyi had no need to strengthen the unity of europe around kyiv, there was hungary, and what was there, god forbid, but the unity was absolutely clear, something

changed, if so, what changed, well, if god, i just have the numbers, it's the european barometer, i looked, it means for may and september, in general. support for providing us with weapons, the total share, it decreased by 10% , now it is 57, that is, it is the same, opinion polls, key countries, the opposition has slightly increased by 8%, from 26 to 34, the most unwilling to supply us with weapons are bulgaria, slovakia 56 and greece 55%. the most willing to supply is sweden 75, and finland 83, in terms of solidarity, general. the biggest support is again finland and sweden 84.88%. less we want to be supported by the opposition, 47-45% of cyprus and greece, well, cyprus, of course, russian money, russian gold passports, that is why

support has decreased somewhat, and this is understandable, firstly, it puts pressure on the pockets of the average european, this is the first point, the second point , we saw a rift, or rather, the first was a rift, the further from russia, the less... less, less, they care, and a new rift appeared, or rather, it became convex, this is a former savky, well, that is, you were under the occupation of the warsaw pact, but something resonated with them, this resonance works, they are starting, let's say, in slovakia itself, this is one of the moments , on the other hand, there is still a lot of support, especially from those countries that have economic, industrial, and most importantly military potential, which we can provide, you are here... let's say yes, very much for us, we should not worry, but we should work, and of course, apart from our rhetoric , the president's visits, all this is very positive, but of course, the most important thing is success on the battlefield, because if there are no visible successes, then

the average citizen watches , says: well, there 's probably a dead end there, it's probably necessary to give diplomacy time and a chance and so on, if there are successes, we will definitely have them in the near future, that is, it is clear here, they are accumulating. changes and of course what it will encourage, because everyone wants to support the winners, not those who lose, so i think that it is not critical, but we need to work constantly, how to explain such statistics that the countries that are far from us are such as finland, sweden are the most supportive in providing us with aid, and slovakia, which is our neighbor, as you remember, mr. valery, they said that they actually gave us all their air defense, one of the first to supply us with russian tanks, there is a level. the provision of weapons to us is now the lowest, and now slovakia has postponed the provision of military aid to ukraine, because the parliamentary party categorically refuses to help, but the president of slovakia is still calling on the question of what happened and whether this is some such bad precedent,

poland also refused, this was the next question, and i will ask later, it is not slovakia's question, whether pozedaev would combine it in the complex, because we say that they intensively gave everything they could, but... the poles said, we gave everything, yes, we scraped everything, just washed it, we bought ourselves new weapons, we need now to understand the security situation we are in, it was not by chance that . patriot duty in poland, on combat duty. friends, what is it for? the same, i think the situation in slovakia, of course, we do not understand everything about the internal context there, i mean regarding the amount of modern weapons they have, but at the same time they ordered new f-35 aircraft, this is a decision of the government, well, this does not correlate in any way with the political attitudes of the slovaks themselves. and by the way, the party that won the parliamentary elections there today, three months ago, said that we...we will help ukraine with weapons, which has changed in three months, well

, politics, well, of course, there is a factor of voter fatigue somewhere, they they are measuring, they feel what needs to be said, and no, we will not be there, but i will not be able to state unequivocally that everything is extremely difficult there in the european union, moreover, with all due respect for help, which was provided from small countries, yes, there nominally in percentage terms, these are very huge numbers, but we are talking. if in nominal terms, then it is not so much, for excuse me, the war in our country is very powerful, and when we evaluate the help from the european union in general, then we have to say that it was the eu that gave and individual countries of the european union, this is very important, let's remember a very difficult discussion in the spring of the 22nd year with the prime ministers of italy, france, the president of france and the chancellor of germany, as they came to us, especially the day before

the summit of the european union, when it was necessary to... make a decision about our candidacy, germany did not want to help us in any way , france also said that it was necessary to reconcile, italy was also preparing some peace plans, but the situation changed radically, why did they insist so strongly on germany's position, with macron plus or minus it was easier, germany's military power and financial power are too high, they are big, and to date germany has adopted an unprecedented aid package there, i won't say the numbers for sure right now, but there - well, many billions euros, this is for the future and what they are doing now, even today, they have already announced that what they are laying down their long-term budget, they come second in terms of aid to ukraine, of course, even overtaking great britain, when great britain was in second place place for a long time, so this is exactly the way to what we are saying, of course general support is very important, so that even smaller countries understand the danger and so on, but when the monsters of the european union, such as france, germany, will stand on the island, well, sorry,

poland will strengthen our defense capabilities, that is why the european union says, everything is okay , but we are not ready to restructure the economy there so drastically to help ukraine, let's also help the usa, this discussion has been going on for 19 months, it is already going on for europe, right? we say that everyone was asleep there and understood that no, no, this will not affect us, only poland understood the danger like no one else, frankly speaking, so the situation in principle, in my opinion, in the european union is quite controlled, but at the end of that thesis, which i spoke to pauses excuse me, because why is this nuclear rhetoric with russia heard, today, supposedly, there are problems in europe, that’s all, they can’t finance us there , there is a problem in the us congress, there is no money, and russia suddenly everything disappeared, i probably won’t open a secret , you know very well and you see that the intensity of shelling has increased very much, in all parameters, i will not elaborate now , there is no need, we just believe in general why, because one of the options is that russia does not have stocks, as it should yes. a lot, and

zelenskyi's rhetoric, more precisely, a statement about the possible freezing, this is one of the scenarios that is really being considered today, including by the west, so in this story we really need to show more diplomatic persistence, the statements should sound so sharply from our authorities, regardless of who evaluates them, then that's another question, we have to do our own thing, and the fact that slovakia has wobbled a little, but i don't think it's a disaster, i'll explain to you why, why these countries began to wobble? i could, if i clarify this issue now, okay, we are hearing statements like they were heard before, but now there is hungary with otbank, slovakia, poland, that is, it seems that the reaction to the statement is changing, look, i will explain why new countries are appearing, where there, well, support for ukraine is slipping somewhere there, well, it has started to slip, we we exclude, but what is russia doing to stop the supply of weapons, they are also working, we somehow see that russia is at the front, well and in principle everything, no, no, they are. work in europe, a large number of russian residencies

are located in europe, for example, vienna is the capital of world espionage, well, it is indisputable, there were a large number of russian diplomatic representatives there, and no one knew what 2/3 of these representatives were doing, there are a lot of them there, and where they go, they go all over europe, yes, some of them do reconnaissance actions, some of them make old, well, soviet toys, bookmarks, and there under the stump. they put something, yes, there, or a pebble, all the things are there, there are people who are engaged in pressure, diplomatically, yes, there, someone, someone is pressured with compromising material, well, who else does it work for, yes, someone with money, someone will be persuaded. everything is fine, we are, we are a strong country, we have gas, you will come to power, we will supply you with gas cheaper than your other neighbors, and you will win much more, here they work, drive, and there partly poland openly exposes such people there, a large agency, a large network, they saw, they exposed, yes, those who were proven, those in prison, those who were not proven, therefore there for

deportation, bye, cocoa, that is, this story exists, it works, that's why it's also, well, it's necessary also pay great, great attention, let me add literally one remark to everything that has been said, here literally your telegram channel writes that the usa has imposed, yes tsn, the usa has imposed sanctions on more than 40 companies from china, including from central asia, these are those companies , which supplied integrated circuits of american origin to russia, including companies from germany, finland, india, turkey, the united arab emirates and so on, this is what i was talking about now, very serious work is being done, if in we are not there it pustyhki, it's pustyhki, wait a minute, i don't agree here now, yes, since we may not have enough money, financing for ukraine, yes, moreover, we are not so fast already launching or not yet fully launching the entire military industrial complex to meet the needs of

of course, in this way now the united states of america will also limit the russians' capabilities, i allow the option that today's intensity of theirs is precisely related to the fact that they are somewhere you are on the hook for such a word, and please tell me, here you are in all of the first part talked about, everyone agreed that ukraine in the american election campaigns is a big koozer, to show that we won and so on, because the americans, since the beginning of the big full-scale invasion, have quite strongly identified themselves with ukrainian successes, or not, and consider themselves involved in them, and to what extent europeans in general share with ukraine what it achieves or what it loses, but somehow it seems to me that europeans, you are here, and we are here, and we are here, yes, europeans, that is how many there are, three dozens of countries, one continent, well, we are one continent, but everyone's mentality is different , the further from ukraine, the further from the russian federation, the more they identify themselves the further away, the tastier the lavender raft, the

calmer, yes there, the vacation, there donuts, mcdonald's everything is calmer, finland sweden they realized after so many years of neutrality that. wow, wow, problem, yes, something needs to be done, poland understands it perfectly, many countries understand it perfectly, further to the west, the situation is already a bit different, well, not everything is so clear-cut, no always, yes, germany, you see how they changed their policy, although for a long time , it was, well, not that the stronghold of the russian federation, the russians had a great influence there, they changed their policy, it is the economic driver of the european union, france is more about communicating, yes, it’s like french baguettes, it’s yaksan, well, call putin 12 times a day, yes, we need to call 13 times, yes, well, the germans are more about doing now, the british are a little bit, they are not so well presented, but i believe that their help , well, it does not correlate with the media one by the presence, the coppers of johnson are not you. if i may, i will add that let's start with slovakia, there is

dissatisfaction with the previous government, and this dissatisfaction is also through the media, that is, distrust of the media, and it actually became a channel for this. propaganda, not only of russian, but of these forces that are trying, well, to come to power, we can now see with mr. fitz, who was a former communist, is now a democrat or a socialist, i don't know what he calls himself there, who in principle took on, as a slogan, yes, that it is necessary to stop this war and had nothing to help us, but on the other hand he definitely did not say that the contracts that slovak enterprises have signed for ammunition, that they will be canceled, no. the issue is that he doesn't want to give something, it's not a problem for us, it's just that it's a small country, what part is the senate and of course that there are others that can influence, now we see hungary that gets 13 billion euros, certain programs for ukraine are actually being unlocked, including, it's a pity that they are,

it's a pity that they were not forced to change their course, primarily domestic political, curtailment of democracy, freedom of speech and such. and that they actually indulged in their actions, with the poles, i would not raise this topic at all, simply because there was a misunderstanding, when the prime minister said that he would not supply weapons, it was meant that they had exhausted all these soviet samples, and of course there is nothing, there is nothing to give, because they were the first to give there hundreds of tanks and all other things, another question is that the poles will arm themselves, they have actually changed their doctrine, which they will apply for deterrence. and for the defense of the country, you remember, just a few weeks ago there was a scandal that 40% the territory of poland was supposed to be handed over to the russian federation, in order to then gather forces and knock it out. but after mariupol, volnovakha, buchi and so on, they decided that this is wrong, it should not be allowed at all

, that is, it should be destroyed at the border, that is exactly why they militarize, buy from the americans from the south koreans, and it is clear why they do not want, they want to share as much as we might want, plus the trump factor, next november everything could change if this person makes some decisions and doesn't let's say restrained against against. then nato may fall apart and the european part will remain, then the poles will not trust the germans, we see, it is not only in the rhetoric, not only in the demands, you mean the rhetoric aimed at the ukrainians, do not lead friendship with the germans, well, they they want reparations for the second world war, well, they don’t like it at all, that’s understandable, that’s why this is an important point, by and large, everything is more or less normal with europe, because nato and the eu, because they are important in small countries, because there are

populists and they will do what is necessary, that is, they will help us this year, they will definitely help us, they will block it, but next year it will depend on the success of our armed forces, according to what we will have to present in terms of potential to the russians, i understand correctly that your position is that these are not alarm signals of some big problem that is approaching, but these are separate internal issues, yes absolutely, i know that as a democracy, we have to constantly turn the pedals so as not to collapse, the same it is impossible to calm down, because these numbers, as i called, they show that there is some fatigue , here, but on the other hand there are those who will support us to the last, the poles, the baltics , above all, the romanians, yes, that is, they understand, they remember the russian occupation, the finns, the swedes, of course, finland, she saw those atrocities and she decided that their concept of neutrality simply will not work with such a neighbor, we will have... others to support from the point of view of values, because it is very important , what

did the european union do during those years of its own existence, that they have moved away from real politics, i have, when there interests are the most important thing and it is necessary to achieve by force everyone , and that there are values, and when they saw the atrocities of the russians, they will not retreat from it, so there is a certain allocation allocation to where it can be support to come down, but i don't think it will be less than half. mr. valery, you started the topic of such large countries that support, let's talk, at what stage are those supporting players, germany, france, britain, well, with your permission, i would add italy from spain, well italy, spain somewhat less, of course, yes, great britain also took on the role of transferring certain financial and military obligations to germany and france, literally ben volos before his resignation, first of all asked him to allocate a certain amount of about 500 million there for help to ukraine, this is fontiv sterlily, this help is allocated and he continues to write again, he cannot leave politics, it just doesn’t work for him here, he

is there, if you have already mentioned about him, what he writes, just after the shelling of the thunderstorm , he addressed the germans through his twitter, said that after this they cannot but provide the taurus, but the germans still say no, well yes, of course, this statement is very important and in this part the statement of china is also important, who said that we cannot will condemn, this is also a very interesting moment, this strike against a thunderstorm. and the british in this part, as it seems to me , demonstrate precisely, together with the united states of america, the position of accelerating the european union to the readiness to arm itself, powerfully and resist. why , in my opinion, the germans do not give these missiles, again this is my inner feeling , i don't pretend to be the last station now, most likely they have very serious problems with the defense complex, because germany, it has always been under the umbrella of the usa, everything is normal for them. they are normally covered, well, here mr. ivany will not allow bragging in this part, well, yes, the base is standing, yes, the base is standing, everything is fine, in principle, you can’t, you can’t be too

worried, but the situation is changing very seriously, and of course, in the german political establishment does not have a consolidated position on the need to increase spending on their own defense capability, it used to be, and it is now, with the french , well, in my opinion, it is a slightly different story, but they are all outdated, there is a lot of junk in them, and in fact, when my colleagues and i discussed this whole story with the readiness of their transfer samples of weapons to ukraine, then they expressed the opinion that i am leaning towards it, there is simply no such weapon , that is ready, good, capable of fighting today, already now, to transfer it to ukraine, i do not exclude that the same story of missiles with taurus missiles, there are few of them, there are few of them, this firstly, secondly, what is wrong with them, well, the germans themselves know, we see, these weapons are seen by the whole world at once, and we also know the case when the danish government admitted that

the tanks it handed over to us were defective, well that's what, this is only the public case that we know about, and we even discussed this issue with colleagues, i'm not an expert, there's a military expert, i ask what leopard 11 is, well , they say it's a cardboard box , this is, well, this is not the kind of weapon that we need for the current such a powerful conventional war, the rest of the weapons, which today is very difficult to give us, it seems to me that the problem is precisely the lack, as ivan says , and the readiness to replace it, well, no country will go in the conditions of such a powerful war on the eurasian continent of an experienced solution. to transfer everything at once, so we can blame the governments of germany and france as much as we want now for what they are doing to us now, we do not blame them at any time, i mean, well, the slowness of the transfer of weapons, yes, but we must understand what in they have a problem and they will not give in with its problem in favor of ukraine, never, it must be understood, just poland is a vivid example, it is good that poland changed its strategy and began to rearm faster, so they

were greatly helped by the european union, that is true, and the united states of america. but at the same time, they managed to build this international policy, in principle everything is fine with them today, but france, germany, in my opinion, there are problems there, at least french planes, we would supposedly gladly accept them, but we are in no hurry, why, the simple answer is, well, they are not very good for us it is necessary for today, but f16 and others are better, yes, that’s why the discussion is really going on in the same way with tanks, to throw nabybramtsi instead of leopards there for a hundred and a second, that was a completely different story, so i think that this is the way now europe is going through a very difficult time, it is not sleeping, for sure already, everything is completely different , the internal political debate continues, there are those who disagree with the policy of militarization, no one wants to enter the stage of understanding that there really is a cold war two on the street, at least we should do something for it, even more so voters, for them it is really far away, everything is quiet, calm, why spend money, because

the rhetoric about the rise in prices in europe, it is heard, of course, they see it, they feel it here, it has become more difficult for them, and if no one in your does not live in ukraine with relatives, you don’t know anyone, and even when you live, you often forget, yes, mr. valery, we are pressed for time, let’s summarize for 2.5 minutes what to prepare for in ukraine on the international track, your vision for at the end of the year, if there were any events, we understood them logic, which should be expected, so that this does not cause our panic, betrayal and so on , what can be expected, what should be... ready, well, by the end of the year, such an expected period, this is a very close milestone, in my opinion , here, in principle, by the end of the year, the picture is more or less clear, because the schedules of arms deliveries are already in place, financing is also provided, well, i do not think that they will affect us globally, this is exclusively the story when poland provided what could, there is a problem with our refugees, there is pure blackmail to yes, so that they gave more money, i don't see anything there anymore, it's in the style not only of the poles, but

of everyone else, but what will happen in the 24th, this is already an issue that needs to be worked on, and we need to work more with the international monetary fund, with credit institutions in order to get money, because we have hryvnias for the budget, this is borrowing, yes, look, there is no persuasion, there is no need to get into trouble with the neighbors, we had such moments when we started to enter into pique there and with the poles, well, we we depend on them, so if they do not agree with something, let's do it to decide without there, you call the speech at the un to the president, yes without a public one. discussion, if there is a misunderstanding, we went, decided, if there, well, we see that it is not resolved , well, we have to, maybe we have to give in somewhere, because we are now in a dependent situation, we cannot dictate conditions, we had everything, we had a lot of armaments during, after the collapse of the soviet union, we lost everything, so it is not illogical and inappropriate to blame someone, to say that you are not giving them to us, and i

strongly believe that all further armaments we then have to buy on our own, i understood how to get into debt, many people will say what kind of debt we can’t, what they give for free are sticks, if we say that we are ready to buy for money, then it will be a completely different conversation, capitalist and they will be able to open new shops for us, what can we do, and where we will get money, we can get into loans, american loans, and i would not even ask where we will get money, but we understand that even if we find money no way f35 doesn't shine for us in principle, not yet f35, i don't think so yet, there are a lot of them planes they won't give, no, high-tech, look, they won't give us tanks, because there are a lot of them, american , a lot of know-how, who are afraid that they will be captured , captured by the russians, the russians will hand them over to the chinese, they will spray them, they will make them three times cheaper on aliex there, 30 times cheaper, why is it needed, they worry about it, any f-35-type weapon, before it is sold, it must pass the united states congress, we

see that turkey is still sitting on the 35 joint production program.