[000:00:00;00] because you don't understand the rules, no, you will be here, there is no information, er, you are dragged to constant interrogations, well, morally humiliated constantly, because there are no rights, nothing, but i, thank god, was not abused in valennica, but there were such girls who were forced to work, to wash there... the toilets, er, they went to their hands in a small way, so, yes, then we were, let's say, forced to work, because if you don't you work, you don’t go to the shower, after allenenka, the moment when we were transported, we were collected, the whole, well, the girls came in,

they said, azov, collect. to be honest, we thought that it was an exchange, that we would be taken to an exchange, but the supervisors were walking around, saying that there, well, what kind of exchange, will you go to the taganrog, then we all clung to such, you know, some a thread of hope that we are still through the taganrog, but on one, er , er, well on... plunged into kamaz, blindfolded beforehand, hands tied, one by one, let's say so, such a chain, uh , they left each other like that, then threw a river, brought that one, there was a whole interesting quest,

let's say this, that is, we were unloaded from the truck, we met dogs, some girls fell out of the car, hurt their knees, some lost consciousness, well, i don't know who, because we were blindfolded, they proved the rules that we should walk with, with bent over, and with backs, who, who will not comply, let's say so. according to the rules, there will be a punishment, we waited for it for a very long time, and to be honest, i stopped hoping, well, when they told us to gather, yes, the thought immediately passed that it might be open, but

when they started taking us there in cars , there well, they tied everything up, it started, a little panic started, because we thought that they were taking us to the shack, before they put us in, they promised to shoot us in general, well, like, maybe it was a joke, but you know, somehow we didn't it was very funny, because we are hostages of the situation, like, well, you are taking us to an unknown place, the things were not given to us, that is , the clothes we came there with, they gave us everything. the bags that were not given back, i was carrying my husband's things, well, which i was able to take out, let's put it this way, well, i didn't get anything back, thanks to ukraine, and i was at home when we understood that it was an exchange,

when we were forced to put them on buses. they got off the plane in a bus and gave everyone a number, but all alone, that’s how you go, lord, whatever it was , really everyone sat and prayed, there was a phrase, everything, raise your heads, open your eyes, straighten your shoulders, you are in ukraine, in ukrainian , i don’t know, it was a shock, from the fact that it’s really true, like you’re covering it up like that , honestly, thanks to ukraine, when they allowed me to call my relatives, i called

my father, the phrase was disappointing when they said that the man has not yet been brought, that is , the man's body has not yet been found in ukraine, there is no coincidence, or they simply have not been brought to ukraine, that is. at the moment, nothing is known either, when i called my son, he did not recognize me, yes, he did , at first i thought that maybe he, you know, was embarrassed, he had not heard me for a long time, but later they said that he didn't recognize him and commented that it was some kind of joke, that it was the russians, he was joking, like, yes, he told me...' then he said that mom, your voice has changed,

and well, you've changed, each of us must fight for victory, must help the army, if it's a soldier, he must help, er, if it 's a military man, he must perform his duties as much as possible, they'll lick us to victory, we must fight for our military who remained in the column, because it is hard for them there, and we must do our best, put in our best efforts, so that they are returned home as soon as possible, and so that ukraine wins. dear friends, we are returning to ether, andriy

saichuk and lesya vakulyuk, today in this studio working for you, working until now until 10:00 in the morning and then we'll be back at 14 and continue our air, so spend today with us and that's why i'm calling you, thank you for joining these calls, about the fact that we need platforms with turrets for the military, for the joint tactical group adam and for the da vinci wolves , it is a little slow this morning, i understand that it is a day off and the russians have arranged so many stressful situations for us this week that we want to get some sleep, rest, only 7 000 was added from, but no, 800,800 was added from the moment i announced the collection today , dear friends, i remind you that this is nasha iryna koval, our presenter, whom you know, she conducts this collection, her charity fund, she volunteers, in addition to what is still working on the espresso tv channel, and actually , our military needs these ground drones in

order to destroy muscovites, bank card number 5375, 41-12 08, 31, 89, 85, who is not, who is lazy and not wants to play with those card numbers, can scan a qr code, and it's much easier to go follow this link and tell anyone who cares, the main thing is that there will be a lot of us, the main thing is that these donations can be quite small, but when there are a lot of us, then together we are a force, please join, on average for this week every day we collected 35, that's how i calculated, if today there will be such an amount, or maybe even more, it will be. good, well, now we are moving on and will talk with the author and soldier ilya aunt, he is already in touch with us, mr. ilya is the author

of the book blood formula, he went to war in 53, no the one that started in 2022, and the one that started in 2014, yes mr. ilya, i didn't mix anything up, so good. this is true, i joined the armed forces in 2015, for 15-16 years i was part of the 59th brigade in the luhansk region near the city of popasna, 13 months without rotations on the defense line, in fact, all... eight, the ninth year of the war for you, that is, it is all the time one, one war, yes, it did not stop, even when i was mobilized in the 16th year, the war continued for me,

my friends fought, i tried to help as could, and he himself, so to speak, came to his senses after the experience, the result of such work was on... my book blood formula, blood formula, what is it in your vision, blood formula was written. it is such, you know, a marker of a person, a marker that determines how a person will behave, how he will live, what he will believe, what he will love, what he will relate to, hostile, why with love, the blood formula is ours, which determines all

of us, all of our actions, all of our such and such e-e prices and so on, why exactly the blood formula, you you know, it is a little tied to such physiological features of a person, because when a person gets into a stressful situation, for example, for example, such as combat operations, it turns on immediately. those mechanisms are human, ours, which lead to the release of certain, you know, such substances into our blood, and accordingly the composition of the blood changes, we either start to fear, we start to stress, or we concentrate our, our life, our personality on the performance of tasks, and this blood formula, it... reflects our

inner state, our psychological state, our readiness to complete the task, but somewhere a little in this plan, mr. ilya, you were an engineer in peaceful life, and well, from an engineer to a writer, it was the war itself that pushed you, you see, i was and am an engineer, i still... continue to work , although, although i am already of retirement age, but i told myself that i will work until, as long as i can , as much strength as i can, you know, probably this writer's drive, the drive to some such creative expression, it has always been dormant in me, somewhere somewhere deep, deep in my being, he slumbered, until now...

i was probably waiting, i was definitely waiting for a certain moment, and this moment just came when i joined the defense of our country, agree that the transition from peaceful life to military reality is stressful, so very difficult and difficult, a difficult act, difficult, a time for man comes, and probably awakens at this time. precisely those, precisely those features of the human psyche, of his human human unity so internal, and which allows either to open some cracks in the window, or to close them, so such a window opened in me, after coming back, after coming back, it was kind of a struggle with so-called ptsd, now a lot. introduces, that is how it sounds a lot on

the air, in the media, that is, for you personally, writing, was this a form of therapy? yes , it is quite true, i tried for a long time to find these medicines, in order to eventually transition to a peaceful civilian, semi-civilian life, to return to my family, to reduce the pressure, the memories that have not left. around the clock, you could say, and at first i didn't even think of writing a book, i just wanted to put something on paper, i tried a day two or three, you know, and it started to lighten up, it seemed to pour out of me in such, such a violent, such a stream, all these memories, emotions, and when they were put on paper, i felt much better, i felt much better.

better, and then, slowly , it spilled into such a book, i did not set myself the goal of writing a book in the style of combat, you understand, with combat actions, with a description of all kinds of such features, i paid more attention to human psychology, that's how a person in such, let's say, respectable life, what a whole life lived a civilian life and until army has such a little, mediated relationship, although, while studying at the lviv polytechnic, i graduated from the military department, and even received the rank of lieutenant, and then senior lieutenant. so, in the rank of senior lieutenant, i fought two wars, you can say so, this is how this man, who has minimal, minimal military experience, adapts to this military situation, how he overcomes his fear, how he forces himself

to distance himself from all kinds of other thoughts and direct all the body's resources to ... survive yourself, destroy the enemy, to complete the task, here, and gradually, i managed to express my thoughts, to somehow formulate them, in a good way, and the book turned out to be not bad, although it was a very so-so print run, the print run was very small, 500 copies in all, because i published it myself, at most i just didn't have enough. mr. ilya, thank you for the conversation, i think that your experience will also be useful for those soldiers who return from the war and withdraw into themselves, for example, and do not know how to overcome and no less useful, less useful, the experience that is presented right on your book, in your works, for those people

who were not there either, at the front, so we thank you and we will talk more, i think it 's already under control. because mr. ilya will be a participant in the via karpattia form, in particular the events within the via karpattia, the word in the war. thank you, ilya titko, the author of warriors, and we will have another meeting with a person who will also be a participant in the via kakarpattia forum, which will take place in ivano-frankivsk next week. on october 14-15, volodymyr skorostetskyi, a colonel of the armed forces of ukraine and a military journalist, will be with us at connection, so we'll be back soon and continue. pain can become an obstacle. walk up the stairs, not with my knees. for pain in the knees, try kremgit. long-acting cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves

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oskad pharmacies. dear friends, we are returning to the ether and now we will talk with the colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, military journalist volodymyr skorostetskyi, who will be a participant in the via-karattya forum, which will take place in ivano-frankivsk next weekend. mr. volodymyr, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine, have a good day. glory to the heroes, mr. volodymyr, a military journalist, and here suddenly you decided to start writing not just reports, and something more. actually, this is a continuation, if only logically. not a continuation of what i have been doing for many years, it is a continuation of the stories, just in a broader and - in a more balanced format, regarding literature. ugh.

in the end, havingway said about it that if, it seems to him, the words belong that if you think that you have nothing to do in journalism anymore, it's time for you to just write books and generally believed that it was enough to be a journalist for five years, further it is necessary to write something more serious, he knew a little about wars, that is possible say, about hemingway that's for sure, well, it's hard to argue with a classic. what are your literary works on the subject of war? well, actually about those people with whom i had to meet actually in the trenches, these are poems, this is prose work, and this is a story, just a broader story about the emotions that you feel when you communicate with people, about those situations in which they... found themselves and about what is happening now, very often the military, who

return from the front positions, from the front, return to the rear, say that there is a lot of insincerity, lies, they are drawn back with a magnet, although there is danger there, there is a constant threat, the threat of death hangs over, your... observations, whether or not it is on your pages of your works that there really is a sincere, er, there at the front, in the rear, here in the rear, it is much less, one of my colleagues once noticed that the closer to zero, the more sincere, brighter people are, and i want to agree with the thesis that war brings out in a person... what is embedded in him upbringing, parents, well, maybe, actually, some

core is exposed, what kind of character does that person have, what are his values confesses, and to say that people manifest themselves in a different way in war than, perhaps, in civilian life, and why is this happening? in your opinion? due to the fact that - the extreme conditions in which our servicemen have to be, well, they do not give the opportunity to relax there, to some situational ones, how to say it, to... not the sincerity of the situation, that is, you are

always expected to be direct , decisions, actions, deeds, you have been participating in the war since 2014, very often when there, even we talk on the air that the war began in 2022, people i'll run away right away. for example, that this war started much earlier, but is there still a difference between the war that started in 2014 and the one that started in 2022, which of course is a continuation, but nevertheless, do you feel , any significant difference, and if so, what? i would say that the war against ukraine on the part of russia did not even start in 2014. before, the existence of the empire, it predicted

that it would stifle any attempts of ukraine to gain its own identity, freedom and right to life outside this prison of nations, and every stage of our struggle against this imperial power, it has its own reflection, this is also the 91st year, when ukraine voted en masse for secession from the soviet union, this 2014, 2013, the revolution of dignity, and 2022, the year of february, which shows that any attempts by the russians to impose their... will, it breaks down against the determination

of the people of ukraine and the fact that we are going our own way. and we gain our own interests, you know, i, mr. volodymyr, ask you about this when we talk one way or another, today biden quoted the american the congressman who heads their foreign affairs committee, who is asking, asked biden yesterday to finally explain what he sees ukraine's victory as, what he thinks biden's defeat looks like. russia, because, as the congressman says, the simple answer is that we will support ukraine as long as necessary, this is not a strategy, but if i were to address this question to you, how do you see the victory of ukraine, how do you see the defeat of russia? well, here i can only

voice my subjective, my own position and voice it with what we like at least... we have to go beyond the borders recognized in 1991, uh, i have, you know, in this answer, it is generally accepted, it is contained in all the speeches of president zelenskyi, i am worried about one single point in it, what we are talking about here territory, but here i will agree with my colleague, with my colleague vitaly portnikov, that in general, there are probably three most important things for ukraine, and this is the territory. their return, this is the preservation of the independence of the state, the preservation of statehood, in principle, this is what ukrainians have been fighting for for centuries and finally we have 30 years, and these are also ukrainian people, these are people , and these are three things that perhaps should also have priorities, but if you were to set priorities, in what order would you

place these three unconditional values? as a representative of the armed forces of ukraine and a person who wears a military uniform, i can say one thing that now the armed forces are working to make all this happen, well, thank you, mr. volodymyr, we will hear more, i think, in vyaa karpaty, lesya vokulyuk, by the way, will be the presenter or moderator of several panels, yes, i hope that you will also meet there for more. conversations, volodymyr skorostetskyi, a colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, a military journalist, was with us, he talked to us, well, listen, a little more information, probably from israel, no, er, from israel, yes, come on, come on, you say from israel, right? then i, to end this part of ours on a good note, quickly, from israel, there are actually a lot of videos about how and the capture, some kind of equipment,

israeli and, i just have a computer hang, i don't know what's going on, this, this pas- the palestinians are doing, or what is it, they just took it and the screen went off, foreign media reported that 5,000 rockets were fired at israel and rockets and ammunition from the gaza strip, and a lot of videos of hamas soldiers just walking around the streets of israeli television were and no, no, there is a town, another town, there are also reports. about 50-60 people entered one of the cities in the south of israel, where they fired at houses, shot at police cars, there are already many videos of the cars, dozens of people killed, most likely already dead, we can already talk about such history, also the military, the israeli military, who have already been taken prisoner by the burned merkava tank, here you see how

they are filming, these are palestinian fighters who are simply running on the streets of cities, in a word, well, now of course there will be a lot of attention on israel. dear friends, we will return to ether at 2 p.m., and you have already given us a donation for today at 4 p.m., and for that we thank you very much, see you soon. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. today the program is bloody attacks on kharkiv region, second day under the terrible consequences of the russian attack on the center of kharkiv, reforms in ukraine, eu and us demands, and the scandalous concept of the shmyhal government. will the deputies clear ukraine of kremlin agents in ryasy. the verkhovna rada finally gathered votes for a ban on the pcp. on the verge of a confrontation with the west, putin cannot win the war, but he does not