[000:00:00;00] it will put pressure on the government in a broad sense and thus reforms will begin, now it is as if the government is in the form of the president's administration , at least they say, well, in fact, he says the same thing that i, as biden, is a conditional, yes, a collective measure, but he says that we are wounded , well, as always in such situations, we thought about it for a long time, but we did not have time to get ahead of ourselves, so the event started first, this is actually a repetition of those... forms, here it seems to me that everyone understands what reforms are needed, judicial reform, law enforcement reform and the fight against corruption, it seems to me, is one of the three tasks that all of them have understand, i understand correctly, is it still a game from your point of view, it is certain that the ukrainian government, well, he saw that if the initiative belonged to the west, and he also decided to show himself that he also thinks about reforms, that is, is there political will of

the political class of ukraine. for carrying out reforms, and mr. mykola, to be honest, i have been saying 100% for the past year and a half, this can be verified on the air, that in fact the initiative, the initiative, should come from the ukrainian government, and not from certain advisors or assistant advisors, let's say so, with from the american or european side, so in this case it is very good that there was at least some real initiative from the side of the president, the administration, or the office of the president. government, because after all, mr. prime minister is signing under this, as they say, so in this case we also have to understand that no matter how much we are told from the outside, what and how to do, only we have to accept decisions, what to do and we should implement these decisions, and accordingly, on this platform , then build relationships with our western partners, so in this case it's good that it appeared

, as far as it can be analyzed today, or criticized or something else, and you yourself said that it is called a concept, that is, not an action plan, not a strategy, but a concept, rather a concept, well , we all understand that it is necessary to get rid of the oligarchy, this is absolutely the right thing, but i don’t know about it for a long time, there for ten years everyone has been talking about the fact that the number of deputies in our country is too large, the number of local councils is too large, so actually we see all things again in this concept, that is, it actually retold the fact that in society, as such, has already matured a long, long time ago, and there the number of committee councils is also too large, therefore , in fact, we have to do everything in order to achieve maximum results with minimal efforts, minimal, certain tools, today it is very there is a huge criticism of this concept , someone says that it is the killing of the verkhovna rada, that somehow the number of deputies will be reduced there, and they need to be reduced and all these

things need to be done, but will this concept change into a real action plan, that's when we will see whether it will be implemented, then we will really clearly analyze what has been done and what results have been achieved. mr. igor, i would discuss here, so very carefully , because i don't think it's worth discussing during a live broadcast, but there are people, among them, by the way , i am one of them, who say, when you say, we all the same, it is to implement, accept, agree, vote, and so on and the like, and such as september, hardworking, hardworking, says, you know, since the 91st year, we did, and this is what we have achieved, thank god, even though we show ourselves in the war, and the rest of all the reforms we made were made in such a way that no one likes these reforms, at least the majority of the ukrainian people, maybe not

100%, but by 60-70 percent, do not like everything that has been done, so this is also the question of how to make reforms so that the sheep are whole, the wolves are fed, that everything is fine, but that there is trust, because if the ukrainian government starts making reforms again, trust me, i'm not sure what will happen to these reforms, mr. mykola, you know to be honest, back in the days of arseniy petrovich, the word reform, in my opinion, lost all meaning, because there was reform for reform. reforming the reformed, and therefore in general, i would sincerely say , from the word reform, from, well, i would move away, after all, i was speaking clearly about the plan of action, that is, in fact, what the government should do, dear government, it should represent the society, the plan of action, and it must state what resources will be involved for this, what tools will be involved and what

specific results will be obtained in the short term, in the medium and long term, then we will have some kind of result, why, because when the plan of action is announced, when the results are announced, and if you have not achieved these results, then what, bye, leave your position, and they are engaged others are more intelligent, there are older, younger people, well, more competent than you, that's why i don't like the word reform either, because it simply discredited itself a long, long time ago, i can agree, yes, mr. igor, look, maybe the last question, maybe the last group question, but it is so tricky, i would say, i would not find an answer here, why the most difficult points of the plan of action, i avoid the word reform now, are put in the first place, it is obvious that judicial reform is not a year, not two, not three, and i'm afraid not five, the fight against the oligarchy is not a year, not two, not three, i'm afraid not five, because these are workplaces, these are huge

enterprises that are privatized, that belong to someone, it's not like that easy to do, and i always have a question that somewhere, somewhere, somewhere in the administration, or in the cabinet of ministers or in the verkhovna rada, such a russian spy sits. and says: let's do it, let's fight for judicial reform, obviously realizing that judicial reform will not succeed, and anyone who puts judicial reform first on the agenda will not fulfill their promises and will lose the next election, that is, because it is simply impossible to do it in two, three, four, five years, but we constantly take the most difficult first , i have the impression that among the reforms, excuse me for using this word, there are many easier ones, or we just have to think about some system, understanding that judicial reform is the most difficult thing, you have my word, mr. igor, mr. mykola, you know me, well, on something 100%, 1000%, now

i absolutely agree with you, why, because in fact, when certain statements are made, there judicial reform, there, the fight against corruption, or something, these are such, you know, certain , copper stamps, and the person who declares them thinks that it will be, well, sorry for such slang, the whole audience, yes, they are doing something , they are so smart there and so on, that's why i always say that there should be operational, tactical results results, strategic results, so always love the plan, it should still be built in such a way that the results, short results, the first results, are visible, already visible, and when you achieve those short results, medium-term results, to you have confidence that you are really going the right way, and when some pesmic ships are announced flying somewhere in space and we will focus on them there, well then it is really a conversation about nothing, it is

just some certain information stamps and no more than that, so in this case i still believe that there really should be a certain synergistic pool of certain things that we should do, we should still say what ukraine will be like after the victory, what we will do, because then, when the victory comes, the hardest, well, the most difficult period for ukraine will come, because then there will be less help from western partners, we have to do everything ourselves and no one will tell us how to do it all, we have to accept it ourselves solution, so i still anyway, i say this abc analysis needs to be done clearly, what should we do, clearly plan step-by-step, step-by-step step-by-step, what should we do? and then, when the government will carry out the first echelon of actions, the second echelon of actions and will show results, this government will be trustworthy and this government will have the opportunity in the future, after being re-elected, to implement the grandiose plans that were announced, and just

to announce some there, well nice theses, this is about nothing, mr. igor, i would agree with you, and i would also add something that strikes me that the ukrainian government simply doesn't know how to look ahead, it doesn't know how to work, i remember the orange revolution, everyone was waiting, well, okay , we won, what's next, there were no plans, the revolution of 13-14, well, yes, well, we won, what's next, there are no plans, simply no one knows how, the impression is that there is simply some gene that is responsible for the future in the heads of politicians , it is simply absent, they simply do not let people in there who can say, you said a cool phrase that i very often i take politicians when i interview, which ukraine... for 10 years, there is no answer, how, where we are going, there is absolutely no, absolutely no, and this is exactly what we need to learn not even from european western partners, we need to learn from the chinese, they plan for 30, 50, 70

years ahead, and for all our civil servants, the planning horizon is the end of their political tenure , everything, everything that will happen after us is not interesting, everything after us, even a flood, so actually even starting something... they have to do everything in this way, so that even after achieving the first results, if they lost the election, it it's also absolutely normal in a democratic european country, they have to pass it on, and those who come have to take over... all these good things and continue them, not here every time, so they left, new ones came, that's how it was in the past it's bad, we are doing it in a new way, we haven't had time to make ministers, deputy ministers there yet, to plant the same sweeps, a new wave of all these things, that's why i say once again, the planning horizon of ukraine must be fundamentally different, we have at least 15-20 years to plan ahead it's even better, and really, to do everything from the point of view of, well, you know, i'm just like a project manager always.

that we have to manage the risks and we have to study these risks, we have to see how it can be , we have to study how west germany was built in its time after the war, how south korea was built, what are the problems in the same israel, in of other countries, and having accumulated and analyzed all this experience , use it here in ukraine so as not to do, very sorry, time is passing, we need to talk about other things, ihor horbaruk, and the international expert, member economic discussion club, i just. for the audience, i will say that the words that mr. igor used, that some came, worked a little, then others, this is in the russian language , such a word is vremenshchiki, vremenshchiki, and regarding the prospects of planning, so that you understand, ladies and gentlemen, in indeed, the first prospect for china is 5-6 years, and ukrainian spies told me that chinese intelligence is 112 years old, they are planning for... 112 years, do you mean it, now advertising, then to

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mesezhnikov, slovak political scientist, head of the institute of public relations, just from the city of bratislava , the capital of the slovak republic. good health, mr. grigory, thank you found time for us, and the first question i have for you is simple and difficult, maybe i don’t know how, how they talk about it in bratislava, and here in lviv i am thinking about the following, this fiytso was elected because he is for moscow, or because , that he is against brussels, is it because he is against brussels, or is it because he is for moscow, your opinion , mr. grigory, good day, good day, mykola, well, i think that he has it, of course, and the desire, rather to help moscow at all, i am not confident against brussels, because for a long time he considered himself and presented himself that way a pro-european politician, but in slovakia during his rule, very

unpleasant things happened from his point of view, after he lost power, an investigation began, and he was accused of three, therefore criminal cases. and after that he became so interested in regaining power, unfortunately, he achieved it, and one of them was sent to his mobilization company, just as his so-called peace proposals became, in principle, they absorbed indirect support russia and criticism of ukraine, he means distributed these well-known pro-russian to... nazis who allegedly killed russians in the donbass, that means, the answer came from moscow, this is the cause of a full-scale war from his point of view, he is against ukraine joining the process of european integration and against membership ukraine in nato

, this politician is now conducting negotiations on the formation of a government, and although he is considered a man, he is not only a populist, but also a pragmatist, and he cites as an example that there were such cases when he said very strange, radical things during the election campaign, and then he finally became the prime minister, he seemed to have changed and approached his activities pragmatically, nevertheless, i think that now he has already crossed red lines, and not only on issues of foreign policy, on issues of internal policy, on issues of democracy, that i think it will be difficult for him to give up everything that he voiced in the pre-election campaign, therefore, of course, now probably, for ukraine, slovakia will stop to be an ally in that in the form in which it was until now, according to statistics, available statistics, slovakia ranks sixth among

donors to ukraine in terms of per capita, we have in fact transferred to ukraine all our strategic... defense potential, , as the first country of the s-300, we handed over howitzers, zuzana, we handed over migy 29, armored vehicles, we handed over ammunition, and of course, now the coming to power of fitz, who, as i already told you, is against ukraine , и он выступать, he stands up for the cessation of arms deliveries ukraine, this is the very thing that is so unpleasant, it is clear that everything will not be everything, but a lot will depend on how his coalition partner conducts business, it will apparently be the party of the voice led by peter pellegrini, whether he will succeed though to partially correct this essentially pro-russian course

, let's see, and perhaps a coalition without a fizo, is such a coalition possible, how far are these coalition...negotiations, where are these negotiations going now? well, mykola, theoretically, this is certain, you can do it i will present, but i think that the probability of this is very low, first of all, fitsa has already received a mandate from president zuzanna chaputova to form the government, he never, he did not hide that the most reliable and profitable partner for him is the party of peter pellegrina , and there is also a third party, the slovak national party, it is even more pro-russian than fitsa himself, but the real problem there is that quite strange people entered the parliament on the list of this party . it will be very difficult to negotiate with them, but topics are not at least... the party itself believes that it

should also join this coalition. another possibility that exists and that i think would be the best option is petr pellegrini and his party, the voice that would form a government with a progressive slovakia, this is the party that came in second place with two such medium, small center-right parties , in this coalition, there would be even more votes, but peter pellegrin is afraid to join this coalition, because his... political creed, his value creed, it is closer just the parties died, and the fact is that this party of peter pellykryna, it arose right at the time of this election cycle, it had never been, therefore, a formally independent political force did not enter the government, many of its members were members of robert's party fitz, i think they have relations from this party, maybe they were not very good at the time when they left this party..." but nevertheless they understand each other, so i still

think that there will be a coalition government it was created by these three parties headed by robert fitso, by the way, there were also such considerations here , that maybe, in order to prevent the whole thing from looking so radical, that the pro-russian populist fitza comes to power now will change the entire policy , then maybe fitza will give up his position, the prime minister to peter pellegrina, and he even peter pellicryna even seems to have negotiated with fitz about this, but without success, i think that robert fitza will not miss the chance to become the prime minister again . and mr. gregory, such a question is more philo-philosophical, i would say, but look, now we see that there will be elections in poland, for ukraine poland is a beautiful, beautiful friend, a beautiful comrade, a partner, many, many positive things can be said about the poles, despite these agricultural problems. now slovakia appears, where there is also, at least, skepticism about, like in poland, by the way, there is

skepticism, they are against moscow, but skepticism about brussels, now slovakia, where can there be, skepticism about brussels too, but still friendship towards moscow , hungary, which is always active cabinet, expressed herself the way she did, everyone knows that this is some kind of trend. of eastern-central-eastern europe, i apologize for the taftology, this is a trend, now ukraine will be surrounded, in the circle of such not very pro-ukrainian forces or politicians, please, well, paraphrasing karl marx, you can say that a ghost is roaming around central europe, the ghost of populism, but i think that poland, despite the problems in relations with brussels, it does not... its support for ukraine, i think that this is a historical, in fact, direction

poles made their choice a long time ago, and i think that in this regard, ukraine probably has no point in worrying, poles, regardless of who will be in the government, whether it will be such a right-wing party pis or it will be a centrist civil platform poland. i think that ukraine will always be supported, but in slovakia now , unfortunately, what has happened is that our government, which operated until now, we now have a technocratic government, before that it was a party government, but we supported ukraine in everything, just everything, both economically and politically and diplomatically, on our territory there are more than 100,000 ukrainian individual refugees, that is, refugees, mostly women and children, slovakia helps them, slovakia uses part of the funds that were allocated to it within the framework. the european union, but unfortunately, in these elections, what happened was that an event that, in principle, was not all connected with russian

aggression against ukraine, and covid, that's the energy crisis, and inflation all together, plus, unfortunately, ideological legacy russophilia since the 19th century, plus nostalgia for communism and fitz, who strove, unfortunately, managed to break into power only because of the fact that... to prevent the continuation of the criminal prosecution, that's how it all turned out, that the government now will lead, judging by everything, the second another policy, but i want to say that this government is not forever, this government, they will have only four votes, which means that four out of four parliamentary mandates will be more than the necessary majority, that is, it will have 79, and even three, and the majority is 76, and i think that the stability of... this government, it seems to me, is in question, but i certainly don't want to rush ahead, robert fitso is known for the fact that he something

is said in the mind, then he tries. it will be implemented practically, but there will be an opposition in the parliament, the opposition is strong, progressive slovakia supports ukraine in everything, it is a political party that took second place, it has good relations with brussels, it has a solid position in the european union, michal szymychko to still appeared deputy chairman of the european parliament, two center-right parties that also entered the parliament, their strength may be less, but still, together with progressive slovakia, then with one more center-right party of former prime minister matovych, they will have 71 votes , all these parties, all these parties, without exception , are all pro-western, pro-european and pro-ukrainian, so it will not be easy for roberto , i think that there is also civil society, which is also on the side of ukraine, independent mass media, known

intellectuals, that is, robertofitsa, as i have already said, it will not be easy. he will fully implement his program, but what he will do, what he will ask to do, i have no doubts about it, i have been following this politician, in fact, since the beginning of his political career, by the way , quite, quite long, he entered politics in the nineties, ninety-first year , as a young man, since then he becomes more and more radical and radical, but there is an opposition to this, so, mr. grigory, i have one more question, maybe even the last one. maybe the last group of questions, you just touched on the coronavirus , and the war in ukraine, and energy problems, in principle , slovaks are satisfied with life, such an abstract question, well, that is, there are some such, such cardinal dissatisfactions, or after all

, the european union, nato, salaries , pro-european arms, aid to ukraine, this is such a normal political life in slovakia and, in principle , everything is fine in everyday life in slovakia, if no one said expensive beer, i can’t afford it to be allowed to drink three glasses, or maybe only one, mykola, well, you know, if you look at issues of public opinion, well , such typical pessimism of the people, but now, according to the last poll, somewhere around 80% of the population is dissatisfied with the development of the country, well , look, i think that there have never been such good conditions for life in slovakia, that is, people, of course, can complain, people see political conflicts, people see that something is happening here, but in fact there are no demonstrations against the system against our membership in nato, in the european union, no, there are discontented people, yes, unfortunately, among these discontented people is the fate of those who support

these anti-system parties, by the way, fortunately , fascist parties have not entered the parliament now after the elections, we have... real fascist parties were in the parliament anyway one is pro-russian and they oppose the system, i think that robert vitsya will approach them, but he has not yet crossed this red line, so in principle, even in slovakia, based on the fact that a significant part of the population adheres to these pro-russian narrativov, a starting from february 2022, the government of slovakia unequivocally supported ukraine in everything, even people who disagreed. with this, they actually tolerated it, that is, there were no protests, and this fills me with a certain optimism and hope that , firstly, the government may not last long, but even if it does, they will not succeed to do everything that they would like, and i think that the support of ukraine will be preserved. thank you very much, hryhoriy mesenzhnikov, slovak political scientist, head of the institute of public

relations from the hero city of bratislava, a hero, because it is the first city, it is the capital of slovakia. now i will hand over the floor to ava melnyk and you will listen to the latest news from espresso tv. annaeva, you have a word. congratulations. thank you for your work. next, the news team works. and let me start with this, israel approved a ground operation in the gaza strip after a massive attack by hamas terrorists. currently, the israeli military is still clearing its cities of militants. it is already known that she died in the morning at the hands of terrorists at least 100 israelis. more than 700