[000:00:00;00] so-called democratic elections in the palestinian authority, but the truth is that there were never any elections again, and that hamas, which won those elections, never came to power in the entirety of this palestinian authority, so we we can imagine that, say, there is a large area of ​​the west bank of the jordan river, and there is a completely different political power ruling there, but... the majority of the population may remain sympathetic to hamas, which controls the gas sector. how can it be done effectively then management of such territory is the first question. the second question is, how can you negotiate with the leadership of such a territory, which in principle does not represent anyone but himself, the leader of the palestinian authority mahmoud abbas has been there for many years, he has not been elected anywhere, he just gets

power there, but he is a very old man, he can... leave us at any moment and what then , in my mind, we heard that we had to sign an agreement with him, well, how can you sign agreements with people who have no real control over their own society, only force control, only force control, and the society itself is set up the way we see that it is set up, it is on the west bank of the jordan river now celebrating this whole operation of hamas, they don't think there, my god, what a horror, we don't will be able to live peacefully, we will not have a normal life , no, they think that those who are in israel should be punished, and it was not always like that, you know, i remember my impressions from visiting hebron, ancient, the city where there is still the famous well of abraham, and where it has always been it is known that this is one of the largest terrorist centers, there is already a guest, petro shevchenko,

analyst, graduate student. the department of international economics, mr. petar, is not in touch with us yet, so i will finish my opinion , and i saw this, you know, eastern tourist bazaar, which was completely empty, well, because no one went to havron , i was there in this bazaar alone, alone, in a closed bazaar, and under what conditions did it exist then, it did not exist, it was all closed, but again, uh, if, i would imagine what the number of people there were, er, selling souvenirs, their goods, the whole world, there were , real er, some incomes, jobs, and all this was actually destroyed, and destroyed precisely by trying to move to a state of open

confrontation, and it is absolutely obvious to every sane person, that if israel and the palestinians really agree, either on the existence of two peoples in two states, or on the existence of two states, or on some expansion of the functions of political autonomy for the time being, until it is possible to formalize some state project, a lot can be said to agree, it means that prosperity begins, in both parts of this agreement, both in the jewish state and among the palestinians, you can imagine this map of the gas sector, this is a huge strip with a huge beach, with ports. these ports could be important ports for many arab countries, they could compete with the ports of lebanon, which themselves are also not working, precisely because there is also no peace agreement, there is a confrontation, and yes, in fact, here we were discussing this story with hezbollah, and hezbollah can certainly intervene in the conflict, but the issue is that it now represents one of the political parties of the degraded, actually functioning state formation of lebanon, and this is also a huge tragedy for all those who live in lebanon. and by the way, an important

lesson for all of us. because you understand, when we discuss our war in the categories of a long conflict, we must clearly understand that a long conflict for any country is a degradation of public administration, in principle, you can think anything you want about people's patriotic feelings, but a large number of people i don't want to live in a situation of constant war. there are and thus remain two categories of people, the first category of people is, let's say, passionate people, but there are fewer and fewer of them for purely physical reasons, who believe that they will be here, and they will fight and fight and resist, and the second part of people are those who have nowhere to go, those who

are simply afraid to take a step. on the other hand, it is not so much patriotism as a sense of hopelessness, or, if you like, such fatalism, but such... two groups of people are not fictitious state is created. we can look at what is happening in the lebanese diasporas outside of lebanon, how people live there, and how they live in lebanon itself. and these are absolutely two different models of existence. you can look at history differently, armenia, which has been in conflict with azerbaijan for 30 years in connection with karabakh, with closed borders. with the impossibility of development, but with the need to defend the interests of the karabakh armenians, who have now already left this territory, and it is also very interesting here, how to compare, the huge

the number of people left the country, while the population of azerbaijan increased there, the population of armenia decreased, and if you compare life in the armenian state with life in the armenian diaspora, it is somewhere in california. someone ironically said that even the budget of this diaspora in california is more than the budget of the republic of armenia, and that is why ukraine absolutely does not need to go through such an experience, that is why i dwell on this in this way, in detail, the experience of a long war is not positive experience, long experience war, he forces many people who are initially set on what they will experience, can, will develop further, one way or another to leave the country, or, if you want to go to some kind of internal emigration, well, if there is still

no enlightenment, if this the real problem of such a constant permanent war, and this is a problem, that is why i say that we should not adjust to the fact that we will have a conflict for 10 years, but we will definitely win, as many say here, victory. we can, i don't argue, we can 10 years to win, but the question arises as to who will remain among the winners, what will the country look like among the winners, and is this not a russian scenario, by and large, perhaps a russian goal, and a russian goal, of course, because russia always has its enemies dragged into long-term conflicts, for the sake of their constant exhaustion and not even exhaustion, but the existence of an army state in tel, well, by and large, if we are discussing the middle east today, then the state of israel became an army state, this

true, but if we look carefully at the geography of the state of israel, we will see that it is surrounded on all sides by arab countries, which in principle never wanted it to exist there, and it... has only access to the sea, which can also to be attached in the event of a military conflict, then in this situation the model of the army state, the enemy’s belief that we will still be here, this is an absolutely correct model, when ukraine is compared with the model of the army state, i don’t understand why, we have a peaceful all western border, countries that have borders with us in the west, poland, hungary. slovakia, romania, the republic of moldova, despite all the differences in political positions, do not wish us harm, so our task is not to create

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much more in today's issue, about important things in simple language, available to all viewers. greetings, iryna koval is in the studio, and these are the results of the week on the espresso tv channel. news , summaries of the week, every saturday at 21:00 on espresso, we continue the saturday polyclub, ulyana panasyuk, and vitaly portnikov, today our air is simply permeated with a red thread. the israeli topic, well, but actually the conflict has quite a lot a long history and it would be strange not to talk about it, but is it possible to draw parallels between this doomsday war that we are talking about today and today's conflict, well , let's see, we generally have to understand historically how it all happened, in short, already at the end of the 1930s, in the 20th century, the idea of ​​dividing palestine between jews and arabs arose. who lived there, and again also in jewish and arab circles, because

there were always different views on this section of it, for example, the first head of the government of israel, david bungurion was a supporter of this partition, he wanted the jews to have a state in any territory, and goldemer did not want it, they believed that a single territory should be left, besides, palestine was a large mandated territory of great britain after turkey, and from this mandated territory an artificial territory was allocated, which is now called jordanian hoshemitsy. kingdoms, this is also such a historical territory, there is a biblical territory, the settlement of the jewish people, and everyone who has been there in jordan knows that you can even climb the mountain from which moses, well, the mythological mountain, of course, there is a mountain, i mean the myth is about this mountain with which moses surveyed the promised land, in any case in 1948 against the background of the responsibility of the european nations for the holocaust. a decision was made on such a partition that

the jewish community of israel recognized and the arab community did not, during the first war of independence these borders were formed that allowed israel to remain as an independent state. two territories that were important for the creation of a new arab state palestine, the gaza strip and the west bank of the jordan river, they respectively came under the control of egypt and but no arab state was created there for the simple reason that the arab leaders were sure that an arab state should be created on the entire territory of palestine, after the exile. the jewish population from there. the year 67 eventually demonstrated that these plans are not relevant and that the gaza strip and the western west bank will be controlled by israel and not by egypt and jordan. then the arab world inflicted

a serious, i would say, political blow to israel. it was then that the palestine liberation organization was created, not before when... the palestinians lived under the rule of egyptian presidents and jordanian monarchs and even in the case of jordan sent their deputies to the parliament of that country, and it was also when these territories came under israeli control, and if we have already mentioned the doomsday war, then there is also an important effect that this war became the impetus for the conclusion of a peace agreement between israel and egypt. i don't think so here it can be compared with the current action of hamas in the gaza sector. ago. that the president of egypt, anwar sadad, really did not really believe that egypt could win a final victory over israel in such a war, but wanted such a psychological blow that would allow him to conduct peace negotiations with israel in the future, and by the way, his

political the program was fully implemented, because after the war of the dawn, saddat could afford to negotiate with the americans about such peace agreements with israel, he visited. in jerusalem, the peace agreement was signed, it was worth sadat's life, but in any case , egypt and israel have been living in a state of cold peace for many decades since then, almost four decades. what was left for the palestinians in this situation, they essentially had to fight independently, to hope for the victory of the tarab states, which were much less authoritative than egypt , in the end israel managed to expel them first from jordan, where the leader of the palestinian movement, yasser arafat, wanted to seize the power of the jordanian of king hossein bentala, and later from lebanon, where the appearance of the palestinians led to a real civil war between the christian and muslim population of the country, which continues to this day, there is no

real peace in lebanon, and in fact lebanon was destroyed precisely by the palestinian invasion of its territory, after how palestinians were forced to leave jordan. israel, in turn, was looking for some way to weaken yasser arafat and his influence, which was almost impossible, given that arafat was for many of his supporters almost, such an icon of the national liberation movement. and then, i think, the idea was discovered that arafat, as a secular politician, would not be able to. resist the influence of religious groups if a strong religious party emerges in the palestinian national movement, because until this point all palestinian organizations that cooperated with arafat or recognized his supremacy in the palestinian national movement were secular organizations without such an

obvious islamist underpinning, this was mistake number one, in fact there was supported the creation and strengthening of the hamas movement led by sheikh mad yassin, and this religious movement began to capture the hearts of the palestinians quite quickly, and became a real alternative to yasser arafat, because especially in the sect, because how do you understand if people are poor, if they are not see the way out of the social situation, if they do not understand how they can really get out of the world they are in, they are much more likely to accept ultra-religious propaganda, such a rabid. than people who live in a more or less normal situation, and yazer arafat, who did not want to to negotiate with israel finally, even after the famous voslo agreements, could not give them any such normal life prospects , anyway, the day came, it was already after the death of yasser arafat, when the current head of the palestinian

authority on the west bank, jordan mahmoud , became his heir abaas, when hamas bypassed fatah, not only in... the sympathy of the palestinian street, but also in the parliamentary elections. the problem was that hamas was much more radical than fatah. and that was one thing when it was small a religious group of people, and it's a completely different matter when it was a party that enjoys the support of the majority of the population in both parts of the palestinian authority, israel, which, as we spoke at the beginning, has already implemented its policy of withdrawing its forces from the sector. turned out to be completely helpless from the point of view of the gas sector's ability to deploy its terrorist infrastructure on the territory of this sector. the joint, i would say, efforts of the israelis and mr., who already needed each other,

prevented the creation of a hamas government in the western on the banks of the jordan river, but in gaza everything turned out as the hamas wanted, and here it turned out that hamas, which controls the gaza sector, is needed by everyone who hates israel, it is needed by iran, although, hamas, sunni fundamentalists, iranian shiites, it is absolutely not interfered with... at this stage of their union and mutual understanding. it is needed by various radical groups in the arab world. he is needed by those who are trying to torpedo israel's agreements with arab countries, and he is needed by moscow. the first real government from the civilized countries the world at that time, russia was part of the civilized world and the president was a frequent participant. the group of eight was the russian federation, the leaders of hamas, after the establishment of a separate government in gaza, which was essentially illegitimate because it was not the government of the entire

palestinian authority, came to moscow and met with the special representative of the president of russia for the middle east, the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, mykhailo bohdanov, at a certain stage they even had meetings with the head of the russian foreign policy department of sergei lavrov, nowhere in the world and in the civilized world, hamas was not received at such a high level, especially since they are declared a terrorist organization in the vast majority of such countries and russia considered them terrorists, but it became clear that russia is ready within the framework of its special relations with the russian federation, to help and legitimize hamas, and it has done a lot in this, the leaders of hamas constantly visit russia, they meet with russian representatives in tehran and beirut, so that it's not that simple.

to put it mildly, now today's moment, as far as it can be compared to the war, the doomsday of 1973 , president anwar sadad, who was a participant in this war, had a rather simple goal, to inflict a serious military blow on israel, which would be psychologically, so obvious that to enter the peace talks, syrian president hafez assad, who was also a participant in this war, implied that this war could give him back control of the dutch heights, previously occupied by israel during the 1967 war year, and from these positions will allow either to find an understanding with israel, or to prepare for new attacks in the future. they all had absolutely clear tasks, but in principle these tasks... meant maintaining a kind of peaceful coexistence of egypt, in principle, for syria for some time, which, by the way, turned out to be a very long time,

it continues today, even when it has long been gone hafez assad, syria is led by his son bashar. and what could be the goals of hamas? good question, very important. it is obvious that hamas is well aware that he is will not be able to inflict on israel. or some kind of blow, you should not think that the members of the hamas politburo are idiots, they are not idiots, they are people with a precise understanding of their tactics and strategy, they also understand that today, october 7, 2022, is the last day of jewish holidays , the day of the simhat torah holiday, i think that one day this war can be called that, ot. will be an eternal psychological irritant for israel and for other countries, and what, but what, hamas is by and large

not just a political organization that manages the gas sector, it is seriously corrupt a corporation that must report to its sponsors, and now its weight in the arab world and in iran is growing to absolutely still incomprehensible values, so no one else... that in the iranian parliament, where deputies are now gathering and chanting the death of israel, the death of america , simply in the live broadcast of the meetings of this, legislative body, will not even question the need for further economic and military aid to hamas, because the gas sector lives on other people's money, state employees are paid with other people's money, sponsored with other people's money military preparations and the gaz sector is, in fact, such a large corporation of people who

live off the donations of those who want them to fight israel and die. for him, for this struggle, and if they show their effectiveness in this struggle, they simply get more money, and this is the main goal of the head of the hamas politburo, ismail hani, and other leaders of this organization, this is the first important goal, because it extends their power, it allows them to get rich, it allows them to be confident in the strength of their positions, in a situation where it... is coming for the fifth time another radical organization is the islamic jihad, and we understand that there is no end to radicalism, for every radical there will be an even more radical, you understand, if you say that i voted that if israel makes any concessions to it, let's say in relation to nuclearization, ugh

, and the ability for saudi arabia to get a peaceful atom, in the event that iran gets a nuclear weapon , the ability for saudi arabia to get its own nuclear weapon, because it is absolutely obvious that the sonic superpower should be able to drop a nuclear weapon on shayites, all brothers, all love each other, what is necessary is for love to be expressed in women, so, in this situation, this agreement can be postponed for a certain time, and part of this agreement is an increase in oil production, an increase in production. oil is the same black swan for russia and iran, which at one time helped to get out of many crises with their participation, because their economy simply collapsed. and if we imagine that saudi arabia will start intensive oil production, it may happen that we say goodbye to the islamic republic and putin's russia as it exists today for the next

24-48 months. but special operations. hamas can break all these ambitious plans , especially since the biden administration could even think that all this could be done before the presidential election, because the sharp drop in oil prices is a serious blow to moskvyran, and today the plans of washington, jerusalem and riyadh have been dealt a serious blow by the hands of the proxy army of iran, because. hamas is not independent a political force, like ezbela, which can at any moment try to intervene in the situation from the territory of lebanon, these are iranian proxy armies, so these proxy armies are supported by the local population, the palestinians who live in the territory of the gaza strip and the west bank of the jordan river are not want to have their own state and their own welfare, all their dreams and desires are focused on is to destroy the jewish state, they

live this dream of murder, much like russia. they live the dream that there will be no ukraine here, but russia, this is how the palestinians live it has been a dream for many decades that there will be no jewish state, but an arab one, and every year in principle does not leave the arab population of palestine any civilizational prospects in the future, i think it will be like that, just as in principle every year of the russian-ukrainian war will not allow for the russians to hope for the restoration of their empire, it is always these authoritarian desires of peoples that lead to the degeneration and degradation of these peoples and their inhuman desires, because in principle. that's what goldamey used to say, when they want, they will to love your children more than to want to kill our own, you can talk to them, it is obvious that the time for such conversations has not yet come, and in order for such a conversation to begin, a change is needed in this part of the arab world, because in many arab countries it is already happened, it is also true that there society thinks more about peace than about war, but