[000:00:00;00] kept a weapon in his own house, he was once under the influence of drugs, i am telling you this and i am caught in the thought that how much should be told to answer a very simple question, and what this means for ukraine, certainly not very good news, yes, because when there is no conditional support for 45 days and everyone in the world says that there is no money to support ukraine, even the president of the united states goes out to his allies from the g7 group with nato and says that america stands steadfastly by ukraine and this money will be in support of ukraine, the same dersh-secretary blinken declares, the pentagon is preparing the next deliveries of weapons to ukraine, president zelsky declares that america is with us, the canvas, bipartisan, support is maintained, that is, everything is in principle, everything is not good, but still there are some,

you know, internally an alarming... feeling , that is, it somehow does not go away, i know, i always come out of such a situation in my life, each, every crisis is at the same time an opportunity, well, let's face it, the most alarming signal is not that meccart was removed from the position of speaker and they will appoint someone else, and someone the other, in order to gain the support of eight republicans, will say that we are not quite the same, we will support ukraine with weapons, or we will not give money and so on, what? the point, the point is, why they took, removed this speaker mccarty, because there is a small group of trumpists, such hard trumpists around the congressman goetz from florida, who has a tooth so gnashed very strongly against mccarthy and said, i will remove you from this position , well, he scored eight votes, the republicans by 218 are not much, as one

democrat said problems and bail out your the leader in the house of representatives, this is how every opposition works in any country in the world, especially since an election campaign has begun, an election campaign that the world has never seen in america, so we agree, on the other hand, well, we have a good memory yes, we remember how the united states supported afghanistan, i don't want to compare afghanistan and ukraine, but in any case they were also steadfast, they... a lot of money, and then a certain somersault happened and president joseph biden, so to speak, looked at with great sadness in his eyes evacuation from afghanistan, it is clear that it is not correct to compare it with the ukrainian situation, but in any case it is just a conversation about the fact that america can throw away so-called horses. no, i don't think it should take place, just in this case, taking into account the fact that, in addition to america, there is also europe, and i think we

will talk. of ukraine in support of ukraine and the future of ukraine, and to complete the american line, so to speak, of our conversation, let's say that support for providing weapons to ukraine is decreasing, especially in the republican electorate, it should be a chance for ukraine, like a challenge and a chance, ugh, what, well, you need to work more with public opinion, you go to the state. and writing articles, a huge tragedy happened, for example, in the village of kherson village, there was a thunderstorm, kupinsky district, kharkiv region, there were people at the wake and they died, a russian bomb flew and 49 people died in it, a six-year-old boy, well, barbarism, well, we need to tell about it, nowhere it did not happen, guys, you are having fun, and the russian barbarian continues to advance, destroy ukrainians, and this must be shown and

shouted to everyone, everyone must tell about it, that nothing is over, the truce will come today, in 2028 russia will prepare not only against ukraine, but against the baltic countries, and yes, against other states, that is, it is clear, there is no need to invent anything here, it is not on the table, on the surface, i.e. no stopping, support for ukraine must be and it must be, and interpret, do not just accept it, but something so terrible is happening, the election campaign you time is so very dynamic, has its own rules, but there are states that regulate their the principles of your activity, you see, that's it here's a pen, yes, here's a pen, here there, i don't know, let's imagine that this is president biden's notebook, yes, and he has to put his signature to finalize the story with the transfer to us of long-range etekoms missile systems in a cassette configuration, so to speak, he

pulls, he postpones. the americans agreed to give us as many as 31 abrams tanks, but not 231, but how do you know that the people of ukraine, well, at least they dragged it to the last moment, everything to ukraine, america gave ukraine everything that president zelensky wanted recently, everything, well, we don’t have any more information we will get it must be taken as a fact, and whether they are chitakamse or not, how they will strike, this is already the decision of the military, i would say so, politically , in my opinion, the decision has already been made, the political decision must be signed by president biden, yes, well, and i think that if he singled out, then i think that he would not have resisted and agreed, i understand that antin borkovskyi with myroslav chakh must be the pen that is in the office of biden and monitors what is signed there , a bunch of secret cases and so on, as i adhere to here

such an opinion, when less is said about what is transferred to ukraine, and it appears on the crow, you are better, i don't want to know, i want to know one thing, that the ukrainian military has more and more expanded opportunities to beat the enemy. this is the main thing. the polish-ukrainian conflict is invisible and its form is visible, yes, well, when very harsh statements were exchanged, we understand, well, as if this matter started to slow down, yes, everyone convinces us that everything will be fine after the elections, but i am sure that well here it is not only a matter of emotions, but politics, in particular, polish and ukrainians have a very good memory, and we understand that the so-called i don't know, the bouquet-candy period is now moving into another phase, that is, it is possible that more rigid pragmatism will appear after the elections, so what should we expect now from the polish-ukrainian relations and whether it will be possible to fix them, for example, we understand that it is very difficult to turn the political minced meat the other way around in a meat grinder, but i would like to believe

that certain economic things will be pushed aside and the focus will be on security issues, but it does not happen that flies separate from cutlet, on alas, i need a bit of a fly catcher cutlet, well, i don’t want to be saddened by freud, i.e. with such joyous comfort, but how when right and justice loses to the democratic opposition, the democratic opposition will gain a majority, the civil platform, the left and the third way together will have the majority in the parliament, i will say that bad deeds will be punished while alive, law and justice has launched a huge campaign against ukraine, without... absolutely without precedent , taking into account grain, and refugees, and other elements, and statements about it, which can what there will be no more military aid and so on, there was no need to do this, the result is this, support for aid to refugees in ukraine

has decreased from 60% to 30%, it has risen accordingly, well, there is no way to this support, ukrainian women are being beaten in some villages somewhere, they are going yes, the latest information is that a woman, a ukrainian, yes, a refugee, was walking with a five-year-old child, and two drunks began to call her the worst and so on, that unfortunately, unfortunately, such incidents still happen, but it's all the result of politicians' actions, it's the result of fatigue society and we are also from poles , let's not make angels out of them, you know, poor people both in ukraine and in poland, they are present in society, in fact i know a little bit of polish society, poles are like that. were not tired of helping the ukrainians, of course, it is difficult for them there, inflation and so on, instead, it is the politicians' fault that they are trying to play on this politically and score points, what am i talking about the right-winger, they thought to themselves that they are growing a confederation, a pro-russian party, anti-ukrainian,

so we need to go into theirs a little electorate and attract them to these voters , the result so far looks like that law and justice is losing support, little. the confederation has lost support and is losing support, and thank god, if this happens, then i say that bad deeds will be punished with your life, it is not worth playing , the situation in slovakia is, yes, well, fizo, anti-ukrainian position, i think that we all need just breathe out, we can't breathe out, in ukraine we don't have the right to breathe out, because we always have to prepare for bad scenarios, let them be, you know, we need to understand how we should act in situation b, so we have orbán, we have fico, and we don't know what the results of the polish elections will be, well, but in defense of law and justice, i will say that they are on the political and

at the military level, they did everything so as not to create additional problems for us and helped us in whatever way they could, that is, it is about quick solutions, that is, the allocation of weapons, the allocation of transit simplification, then yes, it applies to both people and correctly, i will also say that the president duda and the polish government... exemplary followed suit society, exemplary, i told them about it publicly, and praised and so on, but the election campaign, it seemed to them, the election campaign has its rights, let's go then. let's selectively play with the ukrainian topic, and that's why i say let them be punished, this example will be a good example for other politicians, i think why i mentioned slovakia, and because oh, it happened, a big trouble and so on, well of course, there is nothing to be happy about, but again, while there is no new government, the old government, which assured that ukrainian support is and will be, nothing will happen, talks begin first of the european political community, i.e. more

countries than the european union, and the meeting of the european council, i.e. this governing body in the european union, is devoted to the expansion of the european union, by eight countries, by eight countries, but everyone understands that the main thing here is ukraine, and the first conversations about the political conditions of ukraine's accession, what the decision-making process will look like, secondly, the outline of the horizon of uh, 2030, the year of ukraine's accession to the european union, that is, not at the door, six years is not much, in fact, for full membership to be, and the third most important thing is how much money ukraine will receive, as a full member, and in the process we more or less know, we know that the european union created a fund of 50 billion euros, which will be transferred to ukraine over the next four to five years.

this is guaranteed money, it is, well, but there should be a signature of hungary on those guaranteed funds, so to speak, and orban, listen, this is all bad, what can i say about prorban, i will talk about orban, he is just cynical to the limits, when it comes to him that he has to make a decision, the question always arises, what will i get out of it, what can i earn, can't earn, let's talk now. going to whether the european union will free him money from this reconstruction fund after kovidny or not, whether structural money will be provided to hungary or, because all this is in question, the problem is that he is only wiping his ugly lips against ukraine and in fact, he is now on the way out of the european union union, it simply won't work, it won't work money, and nothing there will shine on him that he will have some influence on decision-making, these are hungary's problems, not... but in any case, we understand, there is a question

of a consensus decision, that is, the european union, there is a formal procedure , if orban in precen, for example, has already been bypassed once, yes a second time, will be bypassed, and will be bypassed a second time, the money is just right, no consensus is accepted , only one consensus is accepted, the accession of ukraine to, because all states must ratify the membership agreement, even the beginning of these, we are talking about the integration of ukraine into the european union does not require a consensus decision at the forums of all parliaments, the decision is made by the european council, we are starting conversations with you, since we have been with the turks for more than 50 years, and if it is failed, for example, this or that homework, we can see how excited, for example, the americans, yes, well, in principle, an understandable, but unseen story, when a clear calendar of the performance of certain tasks for ukraine appears, so to speak. that is, the americans started doing this, and now

the europeans can start doing this we understand that we have to be on time, the europeans have already done it a long time ago, well, for the europeans, remember the criteria that were there, they were seven european criteria, as recognized by the european commission, which should determine in october, that is, this month, whether ukraine has fulfilled or no, it was a conditional candidate status, conditional on how you do it, then you will be a full-fledged candidate for the european union, i remember, they removed this moment because ukraine did not have time, they softened it and so on, but it had to be done, ukraine did it everything, and in december there will be a start, just like that i assure everyone, they assure me that there will be a start of negotiations on the accession of ukraine to the european union, you know how many conditions there will be for everyone, an additional 3,000 changes must be made to the ukrainian legislation, and there will be no need to talk about... what it is,

what, you will just have to sit down stupidly, write laws, write changes, introduce them, have such a huge, and more than 3,000, huge table, mai performed, at what stage, approved, not approved, this is a slow procedure, i went through it in parliament, you know, on poland's accession to the european union, but i really i remember well what the negotiations were like on the part of poland, yes, and the key story, if there are so many amendments to the legislation, you understand that you will not miss something...' to let something that, for example, could harm the interests of ukraine, therefore that there are also not children sitting in berlin who just hand out candy to the right and to the left, listen, europeans, americans , it is possible... the worst thing in the world is that they do not know how to earn money and do not know how to count money, this is what they know great, and here it is necessary, but ukrainians are also not bad at this money counting, i tell you i will say, this is true, you know, some countries thought that ukrainians do not know how to count, well, they do, the latest information that is available, well, for example,

they are already adjusting to the budget of the european union, as in 2030, ukraine will become a european member of the european union, etc. in the first seven years of membership in the european union, you know how much money ukraine receives for agricultural policy and for equalization between regions , 186 billion euros of money, clean, live, without interest, without it there are no loans and so on, so on and so on kolomoisky was unlucky such historical times are coming, you understand, and you are talking about a person, why talk about a bad one, then this? now the european union has thought about something else, huh, but it will mean that others will receive less, or we will increase the budget of the european union, these are correct conversations, and some european experts say yes, well, but the ukrainian case is a little different, considering that

, that ukraine is on the verge of war, we have already given ukraine how much money there, it is also insured, but there are these huge russian funds frozen, more than 300 billion dollars, so maybe... that too part of it is taken into account, it is in the interest of ukraine or not in the interest of ukraine, and they also say, and also american money, then guys, maybe ukraine wants too much, huh, and these are already correct conversations, that is, when it came to the point, it reached such a stage , i am happy, with attention to this, it is already concrete, because when they are already talking about the money that ukraine receives, it means that we are on the right path , thank you, myroslav, i want to remind our tv viewers that myroslav cheh, a member of the polish diet, was currently working on espresso the second public figure and historian. thank you. thank you. the time of our program has run out, stay with the tv channel. my colleagues will inform you about all the most important events of the day. take care of yourself and your loved ones,

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12:10. greetings friends, lviv bookform is going on in lviv, one of the brightest, i think cultural events of recent times , there are an incredible number of people, well, as always, at these forums, at book events, everyone comes almost with suitcases, in order not to buy books for themselves, to then read them for a very long time, well, today we will talk about books in particular, but of course we will not bypass the political topics, because now culture is like nothing and like never before is connected with politics and war, and also we we will take turns talking about the good russians, you know, i know that a lot of people are a little embarrassed by this topic on the one hand, but on the other hand, this is a very important thing that we have to solve, because the topic of communication with the outside world... it's hard to overestimate, and

a lot of people, from the field of culture, let's talk only about this, often agree that we still, well , if we don't lose, let's not use such a terrible word, well, we're still not working on it a little bit in this sense, because a lot people, even those who seem to have us to support, in fact, they still do not fully understand our situation, so we will talk about it today. let's start with an event that happened, well, actually, on the second day of this forum, and if you haven't been to any book forums, i'll tell you that you go to locations, to different places, you can, on the one hand, go to such fair, buy books for yourself, and then you can go to discussions, to various discussions that continue according to the schedule, choose the topic of the speakers you like, go there with everyone to listen, or even ask questions. well and yesterday i visited such a panel, such a discussion, which did not seem to involve anything scandalous, the topic was war as the collapse

of civilization, will there be happiness after the war, well , the speakers there were announced from our side, vakhtanholadze and maksym yakovlev, they spoke in this discussion about russia, in particular, things that are familiar enough to us have already been said many times about the fact that russians actually need to be treated. that this is a nation stuck in violence, accepting violence as the norm and completely rejecting the values ​​for which we we are fighting, this is freedom of speech, democracy and dignity and all that, but the speakers are not from the ukrainian side, they disagreed with it a little bit, well, they were definitely our lawyers and ladies who speak a lot and speak for a long time in support, in particular of ukraine, engaged in education, this is ann applebown, a historian, and the croatian writer slavenka drakolici, here are

mrs. slovenka and mrs. en, they declared that in fact we are wrong when we speak so harshly, radically about the russians, we need to rely on them, that there are dissidents, there there are still good people, and that's why we need to have a dialogue with them and somehow try to be friends so that... together, well, you understand everything, so that we can unite together and oppose this putin regime in every possible way, at the end of this discussion, two female viewers asked a question from the hall, and i would not say that it was a direct conflict, a conflict, but such a tense situation arose because, for example, there was a journalist in the hall, my colleague yana brynzeyeva, and she asked a question, the question was that ms. slavenka wrote her last

book and yana said that it was such for her a cold shower, because there the author described the russian mother of the fallen soldier and the ukrainian mother of the fallen soldier, and in fact put them somewhere approximately on the same plane, let's listen to this question, that is, at the extreme point, both and and that become the mother who lost son, lost a son, but a russian woman and a russian man could not come... could not kill, so do they have a common experience, or when we talk about the fact that this experience is common, are we not blurring the line between good and evil? well, now let's hear what replied ms. slavenka, by the way, it is a very common situation, yes, when foreigners, and this is in the russian media, it happens quite often, when the search begins, from the ukrainian side of the victim, from the russian side of the victim, let's take a look at these people,

so we will understand that the war is the same for everyone, well, let's listen to the writer's answer, and i also do not agree with you that the mother of rosi... of a young man who was accused of war crimes, that she could influence his attitude, his actions or on his the decision to go to the army, in this story, the emphasis is on the mother who loses her son, and this is what puts them in similar, similar conditions, and even more tension occurred when anna applebaum and viewer, she said that she had a lot of russian friends , she lived somewhere abroad and all these russian friends who called themselves liberals, but they didn't even ask after the full-scale invasion started how she was, if she was alive, instead they they began to worry not

about solving the situation, but about how to get rid of themselves responsibility, if we also imposed the status of victims on ourselves, to which... ms. anna , i think, reacted enough, well, she, yes, she did not like the question, and here i once again visualized this problem of ours, yes, when our speakers, cultural diplomats talk about how they are trying to prove something to someone abroad, and they are called radical, too emotional, that you are traumatized, in general, it is racism to reduce the entire russian nation to some completely savage, uncivilized people . which cannot be changed, and here is mrs. ann, let's finally listen to what she said, i prefer that we stay on the plane of ideas, there can be an idea of ​​another russia, a nation based on the values ​​that you adopted in ukraine, and i refuse, i refuse to accept that someone inherits evil

through mother's milk or any such formula. i think it is very important for ukrainians to remember this, you can be from russia, but have different ideas about your country. well, we will talk about this whole situation in more detail, we have discussed it before and will discuss it more than once, we will discuss the issue of communication, how should we continue to convince people , foreigners, especially those who support us, and not destroy their trust, not destroy this friendship between us, how, how to prove our agenda, our opinion, which will be honest, is not accepted, in intellectual circles, in particular, we will talk with my journalist colleague and the poet elena huseynova , elena, hello, hello, now we will fight again, yes, say how no one understands us, but the situation on the one hand to me

it seems that sometimes i fall into a frenzy when i hear such and such things. especially when foreigners support those whom we call good russians, that is, when we understand that these people are not oppositionists, and we have caught them more than once on some absolutely stupid theses, like yulia latynina, who, again, there is some nonsense in wrote on twitter, but still, if we are talking about the same ms. applebaum, she is a person who is very aware of our situation, she is not the same person who in general... does not know what we have here in ukraine is happening, and here she is too, well, as it turned out, in many moments, in key issues, she does not support us, and therefore i have a question, er, why do you think that foreigners still do not understand us in this

to such a fairly radical, negative attitude towards the russians, hello, hello, and i want to say right away for the audience that, unfortunately, i cannot assess what happened at the discussion you are talking about, because on the sidelines, journalists, as a rule , and in general people who work in the book field, they uh, create a lot of these events that come er, consumers of the book cultural product, and i missed this discussion, because at this moment in the radio culture studio, another of our colleagues from great britain, charlotteins, she is the main cultural reviewer of the guardians, she is very much in her life , was writing wrote, for example, about classical music, but if you write about classical music, then obviously you work with a russian cultural product and work with those who promote it, represent it, who speak about it, and