[000:00:00;00] ukrainian wars, the head of the national antarc, a person with such a broad view of life, and the head of the national antarctic science center, a public activist and former batalna aidar platoon commander, and a veteran of the russian-ukrainian wars, as i already said, now we will speak metaphysically, if there is oleg sahakyan, i am with him, oh, there is oleg sahakyan, good health, mr. oleg , political scientist, head of the platform united coordination center, i have some metaphysical questions for you today, thank you for finding me it's about time, mr. oleg, so look, i thought this to myself and i would like to know these cause-and-effect relationships from a metaphysical point of view, because they are very difficult to feel, and the main word, it will be the word from the beginning, russia

attacked ukraine, and thus the karabakh situation worsened, and thus iran began to think about something also because of ...' the same circumstance of the attack, and iran is israel, it is palestine, egypt, cherkessk, and therefore, there are also a lot of such people there , it ’s all from, this word is from that, it, that is, something has changed in the world, that’s what metaphysics is about, we don’t we can feel it, but the metaphysics is that somewhere once, not once , but on february 24, something started that then simply shifted tectonically, we are already, i am not saying anymore... china, taiwan, and so on, and so on, that is, everywhere, this, the sahel in africa, yes, that which is adjacent to the sahara, the territory where there is also a coup, behind the coup, as far as i am correct, this is not knowledge, this is a feeling that one, one system has moved by the domino principle the entire world system.

listen, i least expected sunday. to hear metaphysics and even more so to talk about metaphysical analysis, if you had already said hermenevich, let's start, then you would just kill me, but okay , i agree with you, this is the domino principle, another thing is that there are several processes of different levels here, there is simply a general macro-level process, this the destruction of the world order, and accordingly the world split into a whole series of cracks, if before they were very small cracks, which in the end the world could ignore, because they, if we say there is a windshield in a car, then they were somewhere in the corners, they were especially was not visible, on the periphery of world processes, then russia began to poke them with the war in georgia, there were other precedents, there were also other regional players who also took advantage of this quietly, but since the aggression against ukraine, it must be understood that now, for example, activation in the south caucasus or

activation in the middle east. these are battles on a piece of land roughly half the size of the central ukrainian region, and if you take the territory where the battle is taking place in ukraine and the fact that it is in the center of europe, at the intersection of many trade routes, with the european union, and the migrants immediately went to the european union, all this, then it is clear that just the aggression of russia against ukraine in the 14th year, it was such a serious blow on this glass and a big web went down, and then a full-scale invasion of russia. and that's why on all these cracks somewhere they start to deepen and just fall out in pieces, this is a macro hole, the world order is cracking at the seams, and the further it moves, the more it is shaken, the second, let's go, let's go, one second, just excuse me, i for viewers, just at the end of the program we will talk about the gas aspect,

of the palestinian-israeli war, because there are huge... gas deposits nearby, which are claimed by turkey, lebanon, israel, that is , not only in politics and war, but also in the economy, and in minerals, too, this is a lot of it, continue, mr. oleg, sorry that i crossed, you are most likely there , then you can touch both cyprus and the turkish-greek interest, because completely, the way the gas shelf is going, there is everywhere, and egypt by itself, it is also important remember, but not only gas, there is also water. problematic and then you can go to the other side of syria, i.e. west coast, syria, etc., and see how water diplomacy in quotes, because in this case it is already conflict diplomacy also works, but coming back to the second is regional rifts, there are chronic conflicts that are the first to erupt like old dormant volcanoes that wake up from of this turbulence, and then iran gets more

room for its maneuver, india. begins to increase its level of geopolitical ambitions, in africa, countries are waking up again, where there is a tradition of coups and rebellions once every several electoral cycles, a whole series subjects are beginning to try their fate, and why should it be here by right of force, if russia can there, if they do not even react to it, if they cannot put north korea in its place, if china allows itself more than before, then why here we cannot on our little piece of land take and capitalize on this macro-rhyme in our various regional histories, and then, here already, the connectedness of steps, for example , russia in the south caucasus will not have a direct impact. on the situation in the middle east and the activation of this, but nevertheless russia will invented by a bystander, and it is clear that one of the destroyers will be either passive in his position, and we have seen the official position

of russian diplomacy, or by active actions, no one will be surprised if not only iranians appear there tomorrow, but information about the fact that there were possibly russian instructors, and the weapons that appeared there may have appeared from russia. and what's more, these are information leaks that are now there, that there are allegedly ukrainian weapons, i would not rule out that some real facts will appear under them, which the russians will provide, they captured some of our weapons in one way or another and took some of these objects and threw them here and there to illuminate them, well , excuse me, this is like two fingers for the russian special services, and therefore it is possible that not only ipso in terms of information, but also active ones will appear the special service for discrediting ukraine there, these are capillaries that connect, well, of course there is a local situation, there are also political crises, internal, and everything is not so good in hamas, they need it, in iran the situation with the revolution, which did not take place and is smoldering,

it did not go anywhere, they need this war, and israel, where there was a political crisis inside, and accordingly, judging by everything, and the fact that now the key complaint in israel is against the israeli authorities, that they are too... focused on internal issues, forgetting where they live and in what condition, and what is israel, and in the end they did not take care of it now, and this is probably the biggest failure in the last 50 years of the russian forces, the israeli security and defense forces, they simply failed, although it was clear to a student analyst that the 50-year anniversary of the beginning of the doomsday war , also against the background of agreements with saudi arabia, which should be signed from day to day, even in the conditions of iran , which is internally destabilized, well, this day has simply been a marker for many years to diminish, and in recent days several times a day, this date is potentially a crisis, so

even more strange, after you, mr. oleg, there will be an advertisement, then i will have an israeli political scientist, i just want to discuss it with him, because i have thoughts on this matter, how is it not surprising that i still sometimes opinions appear, but the question is different, as the ukrainians once joked, there is no king, there is no one okay, and what are the medicines, you have described the situation, and i am trying to describe it to the best of my abilities, but we do not know, and whether humanity knows a way out of this situation, when from africa to the far east, through india, through iran, from russia, the united states, it's easy to see that the disease on... the globe exists, and there are medicines, are there any surgeons who can somehow perform an operation to remove some tumors, and so on and so forth, whether please, mr. olesh, i am

paraphrasing here the words of dmytro zolotukhin, in my opinion, he formulated, i liked it, and that the issue of war depends entirely on the armed forces. forces of ukraine, and the issue of peace from the world elites, and the same is relevant now for israel. there are two solutions to this problem. the first is to immediately stop the bleeding, and this is the ability of democracy to be with fists and defend itself against terror and attempts to impose a world ruled by brute force. and accordingly, then any rules fly away, about humanism, about everything else, about all the achievements of civilization of the last several centuries, and we can simply forget about the achievements of international law of the last century, throw them in the garbage and we will fly into the third world, after the results of which we will sit again, scratch our heads and with great blood form a new world order that will last until

it degrades again and will not become weak , or the second option, this is now a demonstration of democratic varnishes to gain time and develop packages of changes that must be made in the world order of deep reforms that would enable the resolution of these conflicts and the prevention of new flare-ups at the cost of of existing blood and that democracies have demonstrated that they are not as weak as authoritarians. the regimes counted on that and thought, honestly, i'm leaning towards the first scenario, and i'm leaning too, yes, i 'm leaning too, because, i keep thinking of those words of churchill, that americans always make great decisions after they've tried all the worst, and here we are, it seems to me, we are listing the worst, there are many, many, many of them, and meanwhile the enemy has not died, i would say so, and what do you

think, i am not asking about the specifics now, but there is an intellectual potential, first of all, because i think there is a military one, a financial one, i think there is one, but the intellectual one, in order to know how to heal these diseases, because there are not only medicines here, there are many for the russians like this, for the arabs like this , for the palestinians, for the iranians, this, for the chinese, this, for the saudis that, in short, for the europeans, for the ukrainians, there are a bunch of such different pills that simply do not work for anything else, they just need to be targeted, in the mouth, today, or yesterday, the palestinians, by the way, in israel they really don't like the word palestinians, because they say they are just arabs, they became palestinians literally there in the year 73, besides, they were just arabs and all and without any difference, what they are, that is, what... can we

find for ourselves, is there intelligence in the west, in washington, in brussels, i don’t know, in tokyo , in berlin, in paris, maybe in kyiv there are some, well, apart from you and me, there is no doubt that some third person who thinks about this and knows, maybe even recipes , i won't tell you about all of odessa, but the question here is not to find individual medicines in each conflict, common to all this it is that at the world level sanitary norms should be established and medicine should be normalized in general, and then the medicine in each case is found, because at the level of world architecture no one is working on a solution to one conflict, the question is that the world is not capable to solve such conflicts, to stop them, to minimize them and finally to start the processes of finding some solutions, at least: temporary ones, this is what the world was able to do conditionally 50 years ago, and

let's remember this issue, which in israel is not like to be called palestinians, this is absolutely understandable, and let's say, there is its own argumentative base under this, in turn, the same arabs say, in general, israel was taken to us in the un, decided and created in a territory where it had not been there for centuries, if not millennium, so at the beginning of the creation of this architecture, oon was able to create states, against the will of anyone else, and today oon, sorry, cannot go to the toilet on its own, metaphorically speaking, this is the entry point and the exit point, so there is no medicine here for specific conflicts, first of all, medicine needs to be rediscovered, pharmacies should be opened, the pharmaceutical industry should be launched, so that there is a demand for these syntenkas, to search for solutions, and then these drugs will appear, of course, and everyone understands what they should look like and what kind of medicine is this, and there can even be a separate discussion here, since there are already proposals, but there is no medicine as such, and

there are pharmacies where you can get the pills, see, and then the next question is also more philosophical , as we were taught by the classics, generals always fight a previous war, and sometimes i have there is an impression and even a conviction that politicians are also solving the issues of previous crises, i.e. can we, can humanity invent now, algorithms for future needs, the future, that without which humanity will simply perish, because all politicians are sitting, well, everyone is now very they swear at this useless person, not at thatcher, at the chancellor of germany, that she is so bad there, she acted within the limits, within the framework of the soviet union and soviet , nato, negotiations, or wars, or the russians

always do that and today one like that they will do everything, i wash my hands, everything is fine, but the russians didn’t do it that way, and now it’s not wrong , the russians, everyone is looking, but how should we do it in a not so russian way, in short, this is the question, is the ability something with to do something, you know, i have a very short answer from the soul series of dark humor, if i may. yes, please, be pampered by the rapid development of medicine, and therefore the general age , let's say political... has grown very much and to the credit of mrs. merkel, in particular, she left politics, in particular, realizing that the political generation must change and is preparing it is in certain political parties, institutes, clubs, etc., if we talk about ability and ideas, but now the world lives in a slightly different paradigm, if we talk about the non-political

environment, and it is already injected into politics in all kinds of ways, this is not a paradigm of inventing ideas from the modern ceiling. century, we will now create a world government, and here we will implement this idea in payment, and then how it will work there, well, we will finish the files for the filers after it has already been assembled, on the contrary , we will look closely at how at the grassroots level there are and are already dealing with similar problems and cultivation, well, this is a more ecosystemic approach , cultivation of institutions, in particular, with all these problems there are already scattered solutions, there are already practices, experts who work with them and there are already positive precedents, how to work with it, it is not an intellectual problem to invent an idea somewhere and plant ten engineers who will come up with it, but it is a problem to go into the environment and see what positive precedents and practices already exist that can be scaled and

grown, and which can from individual initiatives wait, i'm sorry, i have to interrupt you, oleg sayakyan, political scientist, head of the single coordination center platform, i'll add this jokingly , only that when we mr. oleg said, it 's really a huge problem, humanity has learned to treat many, many diseases, but diseases of the head has not learned yet, and thus the question arises that people live long, and putin lives long, maybe he would have died a long, long time ago, if ordinary diseases had attacked him, he lives long, that is, this part of the body is functioning, in his head already not functions and it does the things that it does, well it's clear that it's not only as i say, but a broader issue, but simply, if humanity will live to be 100 years old, then we will, humanity will support pensioners with

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good and the last few days good, but hello, well, we know that everyone is suffering and we have been suffering for a long time, you are suffering even earlier, who doesn't know, yes, yes, look, what i would like to focus on is important, it seems to me, just you correct me, i have a rather long, long question, because the discussion is going on in kyiv , in lviv, that's where i am, there is a discussion, who is to blame , as always, we are all from the soviet school, what is to blame, what to do, and some say it's the military, others say intelligence officers, the third say it's the leadership , i have this version, i think that, of course, netanyahu and his cabinet are to blame, because i think that the military, generals and... intelligence officers reported on problems in the gas sector, but it seemed to me, i may be mistaken, that there is no

trust, because i have political processes that are taking place on the basis of these reforms, judicial netanyahu's reforms, different people have very different attitudes to what is happening in israeli politics, and it seemed to me that... we have problems, but since netanyahu and the cabinet said, listen, well, they always say that there are problems, scouts and military always say that there is problems, that more was allocated for weapons, that more was this, we really don't see anything and everything is in order there, and as a result, this is a bloody yesterday. tragic events, am i right or wrong, mr. pelivart? well, look, first of all, you are certainly right that, unfortunately, war is

a business, someone always makes money from war, so as an example, a sad example, i will give a wall, an underground wall, the most high-tech, the most advanced in the peace that was built for 4 years between the gas sector and israel, they spent 3 billion on this, at a depth of 50 m. to prevent the digging of tunnels by hamas, but hamas simply drove through the checkpoint, on several dozen jeeps, with several hundred terrorists, eh, who remembers these spent 3 billion and four years, look, really, what happened yesterday is the collapse of the whole concept , and at the head of which, of course, for the last 13 years, the concept said the following, in order to prevent the creation of a palestinian

state, it is necessary to divide the future of palestine into two separate enclaves that will be at war with each other. benyaminin did not even directly hide his tactics, strategy, that it is necessary to weaken the palestinian autonomy, it is necessary, well, not to support, with foreign hands, with the money of qatar and the egyptians, to some extent, saudi arabia, to allow hamas to be subpoenaed, that hamas has turned into this terrible monster, which knocks out our tanks, launches drones with explosives, and according to some even reports, it has an entire landing force, landing battalions, this is not it happened by chance. well, over the past 13 years, precisely because benjamin netanyahu believed that it is possible to domesticate a crocodile, it is possible to have a domestic crocodile and control

its behavior. it turned out that this is definitely not...' perhaps the moment of extreme clarity came yesterday, you know, as they say , the unprecedented evil that was demonstrated yesterday by hamas militants who broke in and surrounded a music festival that was held near the border in , which is called a realm, eh, in which hundreds and even thousands of israeli teenagers participated, they were surrounded, many of them had their hands tied behind their backs and shot in the back of the head, some at point blank range, some were taken captive in the gaza strip, these very difficult photos are coming in today, apparently there are hundreds of people killed only from this event

, i repeat here, this is an irrepressible evil that cannot be, of course, nothing, i will put it now, excuse me for a second, i will put it to you... after i repeat, in fact, what you said is condensed, the palestinians, but the arabs are in two, on two territories of the state of israel, this is the gas sector, who wants more detail, look at the map, and this is the west bank of the jordan river, between them there is israeli territory, well, they are actually surrounded by israeli territory, between them, between them is the desert, the so-called negev desert , negev yes, yes, and so that we don't get distracted, here they are and netanyahu. as mikhail just explained to us, he says: here are these guys who are on the west bank of the jordan river, we will suppress a little, and there are two different hands, palestinians, in one place, this is one party, less aggressive, in gaza it is a more aggressive part of this palestinian movement, and

let them fight among themselves, netanyahu tells us, here... and then they will somehow leave us alone for a little while, and in order for them to continue fighting, we will turn a blind eye to the fueling of the gas sector by their muslim brothers, well, not as a party, but simply friends who can sponsor these armed clashes, now, as we understood, this is a collapse, because they are long, long they received money, they received weapons for a long time in the gas sector, there is a more aggressive environment and yesterday they attacked the state of israel directly from there . - this is an important part of benjamin netanyahu, in that he basically believes that the palestinian problem as such does not exist, he and many people who form a coalition with him today believe that it would be enough

to come to an agreement with saudi arabia united arabs... with qatar, and the problem of the palestinians will be resolved one way or another, which is why , in my opinion, we discussed the advancement of the israeli-saudi dialogue a few weeks ago, and i told you then that the closer we are to signing a of a peace treaty, the more explosive the situation will be, because iran cannot afford for israel to conclude a peace treaty with the main country of sunni islam. the sunni muslim world, which symbolizes sunni islam, therefore, to some extent these bloody events were written on the wall, it was clear that it would flare up, it was not clear when, therefore, the second part , i repeat, this is the concept that there is no palestinian problem, and we should conduct negotiations not with the palestinians, but with their conditionally

older rich brothers, saudis , or qataris, this is... part of the concept that also failed yesterday, separately, of course, after some time a state commission will be created, which will investigate how the first army of the world, we really like to call ourselves that, which spends 20% of the budget for military articles, which receive huge budgets from the united states, the latest weapons, how are we about attacking the rather primitive and military wing of hamas from the land, from the sea, from the air, as we were caught off guard, exactly 50 years after how after the tragic events, mikhail, mikhail, here is an important question, we are, of course, all in ukraine, ukrainian-centric, we have had a war since the fourteenth year, in a very acute phase since