[000:00:00;00] the arabs tolerated it, as soon as the british realized that it was very difficult for them to contain this conflict after the second world war , they gave up this protectorate, they left there, but as soon as the last british soldier left the territory of palestine, these clashes began, and there were these p there are wars between israel and the surrounding arab world, but of course, the intelligent israelis , having secured the support of the international community, began to conclude agreements one by one with the surrounding arab world, and they built such a more or less, well, this is, you know, the union of arab states that were no longer at war, and there egypt gradually reconciled, there jordan, there, despite the occupied territories, they somehow found some opportunities to co-exist, and

under saudi arabia to sign an agreement with them, but there are... and iran, first of all, who do not want this, and that is why they started cooking this porridge, why is it now, i think that it is a big mistake, but yesterday i watched all the french television , yes, what they said, they do not see at all nothing to do with what is happening in ukraine, and as far as i'm concerned, it's a war, it's part of this world war, which has already started, because of course russia... doesn't have it, she sees that she's losing her positions, she has to create another chaos, they created some chaos in the caucasus , yes, now they are creating here now, because we even had such a guide, a rabbi, a woman rabbi in jerusalem, and she says, when we went to this temple mount, on this ajax mosque, as you are now showing, it is not a mosque, it is the place where

this stone is located, from which muhammad got up, but there, in this place, there was al this jewish temple, the wall of which remained, and it is now the wailing wall, oh my god, i already forgot what i wanted to say to you yes and no, well, i'm just saying that there is no way out, you understand, no, let's say, i'm just me, when i think about it, about the creation of the state of israel and so on and so on, i understand that there is no rational way out, that is, i'm not for you, ms. oksano, for the audience, i say , you just understand, this is a place where jews lived a very, very long time ago, then jews, jews, ideas, yes, then there, gradually-gradually, the jews left there, the mixing of peoples, various wars, and there appeared muslims, arabs, and they really lived there for centuries, then the holocaust,

the extermination of the jews, first of all, and humanity simply thought , what to do now, how, how to protect, and the only way that was invented, we will find an area where jews will live, we will help with money, and they will protect themselves, because he was a scattered people in the soviet union, in germany , in poland, in denmark, in holland, in france and so on, and they couldn't help themselves protect, and now they will be able to, and where will we settle, well, it is obvious that there will be a world community, where there is some, well, basis, but where is the basis, what is written in our bible, who wrote the bible in general, the jews, and accordingly , this is their territory, and the arabs live there, and there is no way out, and they have the right, as if, and they have the right, as if, well, we will not spread our thoughts further, because there is a very complicated history, but that’s how

it is looked like yes please ma'am. aksana , i just wanted to add that you know, well, you just have to mention the pacifists muslims, yes, there are a lot of them, and they say that our problem is that we have two peoples, two religions, two cultures, two worldviews and one land, and of course, those people who are determined for a peaceful settlement, they simply want such autonomy in which, that is, israel wants it to be a single state of israel, and the arabs want it to be two two states, an arab state and an israeli state, and they cannot divide the territories that will belong arab, because, well, arabs, they are muslims everywhere now, yes, muslims, they are everywhere, they are in jerusalem, they are in haifa, of course, since after the second world war, when there were five soldiers there in israel, of course, any attempt by the israelis to enter

any desert at all, where no one lives, and this the desert is considered arab, it was already considered colonization, and because of this colonization, fights started all the time, here on this ajax mountain, yes, where this ajax machete is, when they enter, non- muslims are allowed to enter this temple mountain, and now this the mountain of swords of ajax, is not a non-muslim, you can go there only until 10:20 in the morning, and so i was there, we were there right before that time, and there were a lot of jews there, because it was, it was their new year holiday, there were a lot of them there, and they were walking in large groups, so this large group of jews , she was always surrounded by soldiers, because they are forbidden to pray there. and these soldiers are not just soldiers, they are the guard of the king of jordan , who are supposed to ensure the muslim tradition, the order on this mountain, you can imagine, that is, these people, when they stand to

be photographed, they are taken in the ring of this guard, god forbid, this gathering of jews did not start praying there, well, to be honest, for a european person, it is difficult to understand how much this is not, well, how intolerant this is, and when... well, i remembered what i wanted to say, when this woman, our guide, the rabbi, went to this temple mountain, she said: "you and i have now entered the powder keg of the world, but when we were there, nothing foreshadowed war, we were calmly at the wall, we are at it were taking pictures, we even saw these snipers, they showed us where they were standing, their towers, we saw these passages, where, moreover, on the side of jerusalem, the whole wall is painted. in pacifist ones from the israeli side, sorry, it is all painted with pacifist symbols, and there is a wall from the side of israel, and there is a wall from the side of the gaza strip, and between them there is about 10 m of such

desert, just fields, so it is impossible to understand this , yes, but it must be considered, i think from the angle of geopolitics, and geopolitics, i think that this is a problem created by iran, without iran, this hamas cannot do anything, of course. and if there was this agreement with saudi arabia signed, then maybe hamas would lose some more sources of funding, that is why this conflict, it arose due to the fact that it is not a conflict, but they started bombing israel not in order to destroy it there, they do not have this opportunity, and in order to create, that is, another conflict is created by other hands, in order to willfully divert attention from our war, well, this is so stable for me. impression after all that i saw there. thank you very, very much, oksana melnychuk, a ukrainian political commentator from paris, told us about his impressions of visit to the gas sector, to

israel, which returned literally less than a day before this war began. i just won't be here now, we, we will go with you later to see mr. petro shevchenko, an analyst. department of international economics of dzhilin university, this is china, if it exists, then show me, i won’t be distracted then, i see it is already there, mr. peter, thank you for finding time for us, i apologize that we raised you, because i understand that it is night in china, as they say in ukraine, stupid no, but you are in europe, i am told that you are in europe, then not much, i i apologize, if we were in china, i would apologize very, very much, and i apologize so simply. so, mr. peter, what does china say about the situation in the middle east, on the territory of the state of israel, what not only officials say, but what they write

, for example, the newspapers, mingzhibao, or other mass media tell us what the reaction is, well, so far the reaction is quite restrained and it is quite predictable, because china, it... is now trying in general act from the position of such a peacemaker, a broker, even now his reaction, she actually responds, with this thesis, it is the ministry of foreign affairs, the people's republic of china, they issued a statement where they condemned the escalation and said that they hope that it is their own situation that will somehow be treated, that is, it is more like, well, how china recently, again, it's coming out on a more general basis, that is, it's condemning certain escalating moments and calling for some kind of reconciliation or something, but i think it's very important to understand china's own position here, because if do you remember then in the summer there was a meeting of the palestinian president in beijing with xi jinping, there were very

serious talks, after which xi jinping generally stated that china, he is ready to become a broker in his own solution to this confrontation between palestine and israel, and i think that here in general this the region and israel in particular, it is very important for beijing, so i think it is watching china very closely, but this is what china really thinks and who it is betting on, i think we will see, well, in the future. well, but look, the russians always call too to restraint, but they always transparently hint that in general this is america, this is the anglo-saxons, this is the collective west, and so on, china , as far as i understand, says that we are for peace, but it does not indicate, or directly indicates, that we are for peace, but those scoundrels from washington and brussels are to blame for what is happening there. well, so far there is no such, you know, jantui, specific indication, so far there is none,

but in general we also have to understand that there are very, very serious relations between china and the arab world, in particular, well, palestine this is generally a very interesting topic for china, considering its own ambition to become a regional power not only in asia, but also in the middle east, and but there are also serious ties with israel, and it is important for china to somehow balance its relations with israel taking into account. .. israel's own powerful relations with washington, it is possible to somehow increase its share , or influence, or cooperation, with israel, so i think china, it will not, you know, make sharp statements that could lead, for example, to there some confusion in the same, israel, so i think, china, it will maintain ties, as, well, it has ties, both with palestine itself, and ties with israel, and still more pragmatic ties are with israel, so that palestyka is more. such an ambitious project, yes, because it may burn out, it may be implemented, it may not

, after all, it has relations with israel , taking into account technological cooperation, which is very important for beijing, so i think that for now china will be without sharp moments, yes, but here is the question, who is like this, who is more tsenin, the mother of history, they once said to a certain lenin, there was something like that when i was still studying at the university, you are still a person who takes care of the international economy, and if you look at beijing, what can prevail? beijing needs, yes, yes, it technology, good, this is what is obviously in israel, very advanced science, very capabilities, technology, and so on, and on the other hand, there are people sitting next to it, the arabs, who have a lot oil, yes it, or oil, who will win now, if you put this weight on the lever. it is

tomorrow, oil is today, it is already today the chinese economy needs to be strengthened somehow, if it starts to grow again, as it grew, then a lot of energy is needed , of course, but, well, from the point of view of energy carriers, china has quite good relations with saudi arabia and the same iran , here i would, if we are talking from an economic point of view, i would emphasize such a factor as logistics. because if there is an implementation now, the implementation of this transport initiative from india to the european union, which has been announced now, will really begin, but how realistic it is, it is still it is unknown, because one train, one route, it is actually made by china, so there are a lot of challenges, somewhere in general it did not work very successfully, somewhere more successfully, but you are nevertheless, if this logistical route through india is really implemented , then it also seems to pass through israel there, so... that's why it would also

be important for china to somehow participate or , if possible, allow this project to develop, because it would be a competitor to one belt one road, and that's exactly why i think it should be looked at precisely from the point of view of geoecics, i.e. where china sees its biggest gains, of course, it sees stability as the biggest gain, that is, good relations with everyone, but now we see that the world is beginning to be divided into such and such blocs, associations of such and such alliances of states, and china already understands, yes he already has his own group of countries, relatively speaking, there is iran, here is saudi arabia, although they also have such a position there, well , first of all, they are oriented towards their own interests, not someone else's, and therefore i think china he puts his eggs in different baskets, and i think that china will still not clearly take sides, it will see what the dynamics will be, only then it will act with its own interests, then we touched on the issue: you touched on it,

mr. peter, but here that the press is chinese, well, we understand that it is all under the control of the communist party, but there are analysts , obviously they are given the opportunity to talk, what they said about this alternative, one belt one road, indian, yes, is this a concern or official beijing, or beijing intellectuals say, oh, it's for us, we here we will stress on... it's a serious competitor, it's really serious , it's a big economy india, it's a large number of people, it's big opportunities, it's it by the way, and the whole world knows that it's... where is india, exactly china is very active and there are many opportunities in the industry of the future, let's call it what the chinese say about india, well, the chinese say about india that it is china's main regional competitor, that it is a country

that challenges china's actual implementation at the level asian leader because it a country that has every chance to be the leader of south asia, and china will then be left only there to try to dominate there in the southeast sea, the east, so chinese, the south china sea, the east china sea, possibly central asia, if there, the russian federation there will finally lose its position there, so i actually india is, firstly, the biggest competitor of china, and secondly, this competitor, which is now building up very powerful ties with the west, for example, the same apple, now wants transfer production from china already other corporations will gradually join india, for example volkswagen, he has already stated that the priority market is indian, not chinese, and thirdly, we must understand that between china and india there are generally all these large eurasian countries, there the russian federation, china, india, then iran, pakistan, all these countries, they have

big structural uh, misunderstandings among themselves, they are territorial, there are certain uh, well, they can agree on certain territorial disputes. regarding economic, regarding historical and so on, and here exactly, if we we look at china and india, they have a lot of these challenges , it is there that the territorial problems are in the tibetan plateau and actually they compete with each other there, for example, for influence on pakistan, on sri lanka, on bangladesh, on nepal and so on, that is, it is a competitor of china, and china, i think, as you say, the media, they were very critical of the idea of ​​this initiative, because if you remember, there was already such a transportation initiative of the white house, it was called blue dots, something in , and so far all this has remained only in verbal format, that is, this is all just a word, the last question, excuse me, please, mr. peter, literally short, short answer, in china they know that british intelligence said that 55

chinese sailors died in a submarine, is there someone talking about this, or this or that no one speaks, literally, literally for half a minute, please, well, just taking into account the specifics, again, of those countries, maybe somewhere if some forums speak there, still somewhere else, but if we again take the mainstream, that is, the main media, of course, this just not says, but there are really such rumors circulating in the western media, how real it is, we will see in the future, thank you very much, petro shevchenko, analyst, graduate student of the department of international international economics of the university of zilina, was with us. thank you very much, i am told that my, my clothes are similar to what is behind my back, it is true, we did not collude, i accidentally put it on, and now we, you know, who had it, he is talking about it, and andrii zakrevsky, ours, i would even say, will talk about gas

a regular guest, the chairman of the board of the oil and gas association of ukraine, because he complains about yesterday's attack on israel by hamas, he makes a completely different emphasis, because it is oil and gas that is always in front of his eyes, as a professional in this field, he he even sent us a map and we will now show you this map, everything is in english, but it is clear, where you see such black squares, these are gas fields, and you can see that next to the gas fields are lebanon and the west bank jordan river, there we are we see vais, and we see. gas sector, and we see israel, and we see egypt, and to the north of lebanon, there is syria and cyprus, and cyprus is divided between turkey and greece, that is, both greece and turkey have claims to

these huge gas deposits, and they say it is somehow connected with the war, now the floor is given to andrii zakrevsky , how is it connected, if you think that this is one of the factors that started yesterday, maybe a big war, or maybe, god forbid, that it was a small war . mr. andriy, i have the floor. uh, very much thank you, mr. mykola, that you slightly changed the questions that were asked today for my sake, look, actually, for some reason, for me, conspiratorially in time, what happened now, exactly, that fall of 2020. of the third year, when the german company uniper was supposed to already install, lng terminal vashkiloni, here and on this map, if you again. show me down there, there will be ashkilon and the gaza sector on the lower right, and now we see that for some reason, in the south

, they are now aggravating in israel, and for me it happened because of the fact that there the gas furnaces converge from the huge gas fields that were discovered in 2010 and became operational in 2019, these fields are levifan and tamar, that is, israel sat quietly. reconciled with egypt, imagine, yes, with whom he fought, reconciled with jordan and created a regional hub, imagine that israeli gas is now being burned at gas-electric plants in egypt, who, who could imagine that there are already three , threads of gas pipelines from egypt, and it turns out that the hub was formed, it worked regionally. as you rightly noted, already the turkish network also went there, and the cypriot network, and nothing so terrible

happened, but now they have decided to install this lng hub in the fall and bring lng gas to germany, and if you have a war, well, yes, yes, yes , yes , i absolutely agree with you, mr. andriy, this is for the audience, you understand this better than all of us viewers, including me, but... we have to understand when mr. andriy said about germany, this is exactly the alternative to russian gas , those ears that prick and everyone says, there are some ears, yes, the main factor there is iran, but iran is once again listening, and now that we are starting to understand, with mr. andriy, thank you for getting involved with us, that russian gas is no longer reaching europe, and the europeans quickly began to organize somewhere where to get gas, the amount of gas deposits is now on the gas pipelines from that leviathan that was already found in the 10th year, as pandry said, and they are already

organizing an alternative to the russian giant gas supply, and this is definitely against the interests of russia? well, for me it's like two times two, and that's just literal news there a couple of hours ago, when they show us how the israeli bus is being shot at... the egyptian policemen are shooting and so on, well, how is this not an escalation and an attempt to escalate the situation inside this egyptian-jordanian israeli hub, well, maybe it seems so to me, well, look at news columns, here hundreds of people are dying over there in the gaza strip, yes, that is, now hundreds of people are under arrest , or rather, captured in ashkelon, and here they immediately show you how an egyptian

policeman shoots at an israeli bus, well, if this is not a blow to the consortium of these three countries, we will now see some provocations in jordan, and provocations, one question , now from gas to oil, there are such conversations, i am not an expert, i do not know, i will not assert here that another point is very cunning, as if america agreed with saudi arabia. that arabia will increase oil production, this will affect the markets and oil will start to become cheaper, as if the americans had persuaded them, and today's, or rather yesterday's aggravation, categorically postpones such an opportunity for saudi arabia, and thus oil will not become cheaper, and this is again for the benefit of the russian federation, which is terribly interested in expensive oil, what do you say, mr. andrii, i will say that if we look to the north of israel, we

will see a bunch of oil tankers going exactly saudi arabia, right there to the mediterranean sea, and it is clear that tomorrow israel and saudi arabia will agree, yes, that is , and the escalation will come from the north, and the gas pipelines will stop working, they will blow up these gas pipelines between saudi arabia and the mediterranean sea and israel will be blamed for it, and who will figure out whether russian militants blew up this gas pipeline, and no, they will say that it is israel taking revenge on the arabs, that’s right, yes, in short, to see how it all comes back, today we have such a thing, you know , the arab-israeli evening, but anyway, mr. andrii and i will definitely talk about ukraine, but you say that ukraine will pass with... with gas of its own production, well, in general, what, what, what is the potential of ukraine today,

as far as we can , well, we definitely won't... sleep peacefully, because apart from gas, we have more and rockets are flying, but what do you say about the energy supply of ukraine, before this winter, i want to say that the gas industry is probably the only industry of ukraine that has shown its stability both last year and this year, we are full of seams with coal, and the only problem that can be with our gas is that... the coal agency will have to put up with it even more than it was, because, unfortunately, tsentrenergo does not cope with its responsibilities, and now we we will enter almost by ourselves, a small remnant, well, again anyway, this is the main problem of zero electricity, that is, we will deal with heat, but the issue of electricity

remains, i am not worried about gas and also... because europe has completely filled its gas storages and is now filling ours and it is possible you can argue as much as you want whether our gas is now in storage or traders have brought it in, but we understand that if there are strikes on the ukrainian infrastructure and ukraine needs gas more urgently, then it will be sold here, you see, what is the difference, that is the main thing , that gas storage are filling up, that's why you say that coal, what is the problem with coal, simply because there is a war there. where, there is nowhere to get coal, or, or what is the problem with coal in ukrainian energy, no one thinks about the state government, we get coal, in our state, here is a simple explanation, conclusion, i think that tsentrenerga overslept work and does not cope with his duties, i.e. detek, i.e. akhmetov, that's right, i understand that,

akhmetov is the only one who thinks in a state way, and tsentrenergo is not a state one. that's all, that is, that is, private citizens think in a state-oriented way, and state citizens think in an anti-state way, it may work in favor of private citizens, so unless such a scheme, from an angle, you understand, here and there, here and there, an interesting, interesting moment, the only conspiracy theory that i see here is that the state is not copes with its duties in order to show that private individuals cope better, well, then they would cope better, as oil and gas copes, for example, well, some anecdote, simply. well, listen, it's generally, we, i hope, i will work as a journalist, whatever you will be to work where you work, we will discuss for a very long time after the war, because ukrainian thunder, the ukrainian public loves statehood very much, the state must, i say, listen, only private companies can support it, they will not reach into their own pockets, therefore that it is theirs, and

it is very easy to reach into the pockets of the state and take out loot, what? you say, i will say that what we see in the electric power industry is the same situation, i will not even talk about children, i am just talking about small solar generation, which contrary to at the will of the state, it repairs its wind and solar power plants, they say, let us supply you at any price, but we have already done everything because, excuse me, about practology. that they themselves repair their stations, which they flew over, they can't sell them, they reduce their generation , specially, well there, like that, like that, unfortunately, unfortunately, mr. mykola, that's exactly how i see it now, as manufacturers of solar power plants, come on,

let's talk already, andriy zakrevskyi, the chairman of the board of the oil and gas association of ukraine, was telling us about the oil and gas of ukraine right now, and now we will have news, and the news will be read by iryna koval, and i am saying goodbye to you, all is well, mrs. iryna, i promise you. thank you, mr. mykola, i wish you a good evening, and in just a moment i will tell you about the situation in different regions of our country, and there will be news from abroad, what is the current situation in israel, we will also find out from our correspondent that we will be able to add her to our broadcast, so about everything in a moment. it's 8:00 p.m. in ukraine, for your attention a news release on the espresso tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval, greetings to all viewers, let's start with

the situation in the kharkiv region. the russians do not stop it, the so-called enemy fired