[000:00:00;00] the regime of hamas and the group itself in general, you don’t even believe it, but can you imagine how they will present anything here , an operational plan has been written on this topic, the name of which we will not voice here, there is a plan, there are planned forces, means, there are deadlines, everything depends on the political decision, if the government sets before the army the task of completely capturing the gas and liquidating the hamas regime, it can be done with everything, everything that needs to be done, you know, this is not the flight of the sun, it is quite possible to do it, it all depends from a political decision, from yevgeny, from the political will of the israeli government, or to what extent is the political will of the american administration related to this political will of the israeli government? vital, let me still try a little here, well, i'm not in a narrow office, yes, i don't know what was discussed yesterday, you won't

find it tomorrow. many years as a minister, yes, look, i will allow you to assume here, this is still my version, it is, as it were, well, as an assumption, and the first thing, now, what is important is to understand what is happening with the hostages, because, again, i say, there was no creation of the state of israel, there was no situation in which dozens, i don't even know the number, for sure we don't even know the number, among them there are also children, and women, and old men and soldiers, officers, apparently, again, as we hear, they are now in the hands of hamas and they understand perfectly well that, therefore, this is the first question, which i do not even envy today's ministers, including the prime minister, who must make a decision to understand this dilemma, literally appointed a few hours ago, the former commander of the division of the ninety-first division in the north, who left after the lebanon war, galir, who was then appointed brigadier general to the position of special coordinator for the return of prisoners of war,

hostages, whatever you call them, was appointed. israel has not even had such a position for the past few years, although the remains of our soldiers are in the hands of hamas, this is the first dilemma that the ministers must answer, that is, the army does not make decisions here, with all due respect to the army, and this is what i have for you unfortunately, i can't say what's happening there, that's because this dilemma needs to be resolved, and then there's the dilemma, what i've already said, then you need to sit down and decide what to do with the gas, and will they connect here, will they connect intermediaries in arabic here peace, you mentioned the american administration , i don't think that this is a factor, because the american administration supports israel in this, but countries such as egypt, for example, the opinion of saudi arabia, yes, they talked about the possibility of normalization in recent months, opinion, including that of qatar, qatar pays money to hamatz, qatar holds hamatz, however, qatar does not want to quarrel today, including with the americans, although we know that they have strained relations, that is, all these questions will probably be in the context of what - something international, you know, and not a coalition, but at least some kind of dialogue, turkey, don't forget, look, turkey is an important player too,

which we are too. although recently they have only begun to restore relations with them, in general, it's all a mess, it's great seriously, first the hostages, then think about what to do with hamas, david, please tell me, after all, even from the point of view of the name plan, which we do not name, how to minimize losses among the civilian population of the gas sector during any military operation? david, do we have something with david? вы меня слышите, a second, a second, yes, сейчас слышно, yes, слышно, that's what i want , that's what you heard my vopros, or didn't hear, i asked you, that's how, that's it yes, that's it, we're just better with you , than tv viewers, we know what gas looks like, yes, here it is army, how to carry out the operation, i

understand? question, yes, the minimization of casualties among the civilian population, as miter among the civilian population, oddly enough, is still one of the priorities of the israeli army, even in the situation as it is now, during the last airstrikes in front of them, the israeli army turned to the residents of specific areas in order for them to evacuate, according to the latest reports, more than 70,000 evacuated to other districts, it is clear that in the case of a ground operation, there will be... but in principle limited to ground operations operations in the course of the same lead operation, specifically at the beginning of january 2009, in 2014 , there were also small entrances for a couple of kilometers along the border, in principle this can be done, it is clear that if we are talking about the capture of the entire sector, it

will be more difficult, but what can be done, let's just say, it's not the most important yet... which can stop the israeli government from carrying out such an operation, first of all, as yevgeny said, this is the problem of hostages, even if at the first stage they will not be used as alive shield, what the more the israeli operation develops, especially in the form of a ground entry, then sooner or later they will most likely start to be used as a human shield, this is a problem, the problem of losses among the civilian population of gaza, among other things, can really affect the support of western countries, now it is the maximum , but the more victims there are among the civilian population of gaza, the lower this support will automatically be, we have already seen this more than once in past operations. therefore, there is still time to use this trust credit, let's say so, but let's see anyway, after all, the ground operation hasn't started yet, when it starts, let's see how it will develop , thank you, i wish you a good evening, gentlemen, david handelman, israeli expert yevhen sova,

member of the knesset from the israel party, former deputy speaker of the israeli knesset, we will now include our next guest, pavlo usov, belarusian political scientist, head of the warsaw center for political analysis and forecasts, good afternoon. good evening, by the way, i want to continue this topic with you, because you understand very well that now, by and large, for all authoritarian regimes, for moscow, and for minsk, this all looks very favorable, you see that they are almost not happy, if you look at what the russian and belarusian propagandists who serve the regime, as if this war , which we just discussed, is some kind of holiday for them, you can explain the reasons, well, the more... the more crises in the international arena, the more chances for lukashenka, for putin, because the problems , which are related to the activity of these regimes will be

least of all, it concerns them, not only the war in israel, it is the aggression of hamas against israel, but also the armenian-azerbaijani conflict over nagorno-karabakh and the resulting humanitarian crisis. happened about 100 out of 20 thousand people had to leave there, all these crises, they contribute even more to the deepening of fatigue, in the international community, first of all in the west, because it is placed on burdens, very strong and psychological, political, financial, in order to implement and try to solve these crises, both in the middle east and here, in eastern europe, ukraine, belarus and the caucasus, because this is exactly what surkov once called exparthouse.

russia is interested in having such hot spots, there are a lot of them, and not only the middle east , it is africa, look at what a chain reaction, the end is unknown, wagner's activity, well, of course, his activity led to a number of military coups, in russia africa, and it also very badly hit the image and security system of europe, first of all france, and the middle east has always been such, such a hot spot, and attention was quite strongly drawn to what was happening there, especially since, it is very important to note, i am observing , let's say, my acquaintances in the circle, europeans, who are supporters of such leftists ideologies, they fully support the activities of hamas, they believe that this is the answer for the imperial, rather aggressive policy of israel

in relation to the palestinians and arabs of this region, and the creation of such points of tension, in europe itself, in different, between different groups political, that is also plays into the hand. in the hands of russia, and for russia, the expansion of conflicts is a salvation, because then the more conflicts there are, the easier it will be, let's say, to force the west to go to some, well, some kind of peramovy, at least, to manage to freeze the conflict in ukraine, which very dangerous, but it is clear that these are the months, winter, when it is possible to slow down the counterattack. troops, this will be the most favorable period for russia to start looking for platforms to sign this temporary suspension of military

operations, and it seems to me, unfortunately, that the west today's moment, first of all, europe is already ready for this, tell me, do you remember how lukashenko, you can say, spurred pashinyan to one of the csto summits, yes, you can, please, yes, yes, yes, attract, here you go . to say that this was already putin's line that he is voicing, what is happening is simply their and agreed political line in relation to the south caucasus? as for armenia, yes, not only alone, he also gave a big interview about nagorno-karabakh and kept saying that what pashinyan, the armenians themselves are to blame, they did not want to agree, agree on what, that is, this line was drawn in the 20th year, when... it was in the fall of the 20th year,

almost during the crisis in belarus, that this first for a few hours of raging war, after which the so-called russian peacekeepers appeared in armenia in nagorno-karabakh, and then lukashenka directly said that we wanted to negotiate there, and pashinyan, but what was to be negotiated, of course, no one knew, but here such rhetoric, it definitely... served lukashenkouskaya rhetoric, the fact that what putin has already decided for armenia a long time ago, well, first of all, of course , to put him in absolute dependence and provoke a crisis around pashinyan, because pashinyan is also for him, as a person, as a person, such a young democrat who all those with pro-european views, although of course,

tried to maneuver and in relation to the crisis somehow wanted to settle things and please both, but in the end he lost everything. this hybrid war program, i think, was already prepared long ago in relation to armenia, and above all, precisely because there democracy came to power without putin's consent. well, it should also be noted that during almost the entire period, the last years, before the crises of the 20th year, the main suppliers of weapons to azerbaijan were russia and belarus, that is, armenia in the adkb, but, for example, missile systems of volley fire , adpavedniki tarnad, chinese production, and belarusian palanez, were supplied to azerbaijan for 700 million. it was armenia

that protested there, criticized lukashenko's activities, but military, military-technical activities cooperation between the azerbaijanis of baku and minsk was actually very active, very active, for several hours, five hours, especially during the russian-belarusian crisis, when russia stopped supplying oil, blocked, blocked, the pipeline and oil refinery friendship, and then they started buying oil in azerbaijan the belarusian belarusian authorities , the same with russia, when we talk about armaments, that is, in fact, belarus and russia, in addition to turkey, armed, armed azerbaijan against its own patent, non-patent, and against his ally, which, by the way, is not

only included in the adkb, but from russia. in fact, about regional grouping of troops, regional anti-aircraft defense, all the same military-technical system that was signed with belarus, and all the more so that armenia is also a member of the eurasian union, and not only the csto, that is , it is clear that when putin needs to create a crisis, and now there is just such a crisis in the caucasus , this is... an instrument of pressure on the international community, that is, a demonstration of the fact that if you isolate us as russia, then look, here what is happening in the region, and afghanistan may also be here, they will start, the next chains of tensions in general in the region, in the same iraq, that is, the situation is exactly the same as in israel, it is... not only of a local

kind, it is actually an igniter in order for a systemic and rather deep crisis to arise in the entire middle east, iraq, iran, and we see azerbaijan, armenia, that is, it seems to me that the situation is very critical, and the main problem, i think, look at it, is the war in ukraine with 2014 year. second war 2022, crisis in belarus, strategists like that, well actually preventive strategies. because i do not think that the west is so infantile and stupid that it cannot assess and anticipate such possible crises, both local and global, but there is no strategy for solving these crises, these reactions, what strategy to choose, to prepare for these crises,

as was the case with ukraine in the 22nd year, you were waiting for what would happen there, three days, three days, a week , a simple ukraine, these are not, simple. ok, let's help, that is, such an absolutely passive, reactive strategy leads to deepening crises, the same is the same in africa, it is the same in africa, the crisis in mali, the côte d'ivoire, the crisis in chats, and there is no strategy, only worried people, only there let's sit down to solve it by political means , the crises have already acquired such a form, i believe now in the international arena that it is already political ... they simply won't work, they are completely ineffective and everyone understands, especially those authoritarian systems, which, let's say , the rights of azerbaijan are historical, not right, but aliyev's regime, he was preparing, he is based just like an authoritarian regime on the concept of

successful wars, the same in russia, the same the same hamas, the same iran, the same taliban, everything in general, here i am, thinking about this first such domino , biden launched when he withdrew the american army, not just withdrew, but as he withdrew from afghanistan, if i am not mistaken , 9 p.m., summer of the 21st year, when the taliban within two weeks , without actually firing a single shot, brought under control the entire country, which was supplied with... the amount of weapons that would probably be enough for the ukrainian army in order to effectively even in the period of the 20th year to defend against russia, that's it this is a failure, and this failure, as we

can see, launched a whole series of these problems, taiwan, the war in ukraine, now the middle east. and the costs of these soldiers for the west will first of all be enormous, it is not known, i believe that this is the end of the conflict , even if, as you reasoned here, they enter the gaza strip, the israeli military will clear it, even if they clear it, it will not be stopped, because такой такой aggression, i think that this is combined aggression, behind which iran and possibly russia stand, it is no longer... pavel, this was a very important assessment in our it seems to me that ether was not enough. pavlo usov, belarusian political scientist, head of the center

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invisible, sunday, 10:00 pm espresso. we continue the information broadcast on the espresso tv channel. aleksandr duleva, political scientist, director of the slovak foreign policy association, is in touch with us. congratulations mr. oleksandr. good evening. after all, i want to start our conversation not with those traditional issues that are now connected with the elections in slovakia, i mean that what is the consequence... where is the victory of robert fico smer's party in the elections and what kind of head of government can he be, and i would still like to understand the alternative option, that is how in principle we believe that robert fico will form such a new government of slovakia with a constant, why would his former associate, former prime minister and speaker of the parliament petr poligrini from the glas party, so firmly go into a coalition with fico, where he will be there, conditionally speaking, in the second roles, if not in the third, if ... take into account which one, i would

said, the level of influence that andrii danko's slovak national party can have in such a situation, yes, the negotiations are going on and you have asked very good questions, because really, this is the main question, whether at all, whether pelligrini needs to join the government, which he will lead fizo, no, i think so, and i think the people around him understand that if it happens that they form a government led by fizo, then in principle, fizo will absorb them politically, that is, it is the party and the pilgrims , they will lose subjectivity in slovak politics, and it will happen very quickly, i think two years, that is, there is one, one such scenario , now the negotiations are going on, fico got 14 days, two weeks to form this government, so he spent the first week negotiating with pellegrini and met once.

and probably tomorrow they will have a meeting, that is, three, they will meet, fico, pellegrini and danko, if there was such a scenario that pellegrini becomes the prime minister, fico leaves the government, will become the chairman there, well, the speaker of the parliament and in principle, key positions in the government, after all , there will be peligrini, then it would be possible to avoid... the very worst scenario for pellegrini to end his political subjectivity in slovak politics, if i think so, that's the main volume of these conversations, negotiations between pellegrini and fizo this week, or on fico will agree, it is not known, but fico has the only opportunity to create a government, to have political influence, it is really a house with pelligrini, so i think that fico is ready to make big concessions to pellegrini in order to create this government after all, well this is the first such question,

it is not clear how they are, how it will end, i think that next week we will already know what the outcome of these negotiations is, well, there is still a big question regarding danko and this third coalition partner, because there is a very strange situation, well, the situation turned out that there are 10 deputies, only one of them , a party member, that is, the head of the slovak national party is danko, and the nine remaining deputies who were elected for this party are simply not party members, they are people who... offered places on the list for the slovak national party in the elections , well, they got preferences from slovak voters national party, we have the possibility that voters can determine their preferences for four candidates on the party list, then they count the votes and they go to the first places, and so it turned out that nine people

unknown, well unknown, we know them , there are such odious persons there, and some of them are just pro-putin trolls, yes , it is an unstable faction, and together all these parties, fico, peligrini, danko, they will have 79 deputies, the majority in the slovak parliament because for the government to work in 76, this is a plus deputy, this is not a very stable majority, and there are such forecasts and assessments of people who are close to the party of death that they think that if they form a government, it will not last a year, and in principle there will be a crisis, that is there will always be a problem with voting, and it is not known what, in principle, they will give to these nine deputies, who are there in principle as independent, in principle, persons in politics, so that they simply behave obediently and support decisions government, the legislation that will be proposed and

so on, so these are the two main questions, whether fico will agree with the fact that pelligrini will still be the prime minister, plus it is not known how the father's three-coalition will work, well , this is the only scenario for fico to form this government, if we talk about this second, second alternative, it is a government without a fizo, in principle a government based on an agreement between progressive slovakia and pellegrini, so... here, information was already confirmed by progressive slovakia that they had already offered pellegrini the post of prime minister. well, there is a question here, because the reaction from pellegrini, from his people, was that if the post the prime minister, then also the minister of internal affairs, and here there is already a question for the progressives of progressive slovakia, whether to give

such a post at all to a person who was close to fico, yes, when he was 12 years old. was the chairman, there are already 40 high-ranking officials who have been convicted by the courts for corruption, some are in prison, some have a different form of punishment, and here you know, in fico, in principle, it passed, only very narrowly, the vote did not pass, that the parliament issued a fice on the investigation of the prosecutor's office, about two years ago there was such a vote, yes, well, one vote was missing for him to...' so here, you know, it is not clear what close relations still exist between pellegrini and fizo, in principle, they are in conflict, pellegrini distanced himself from fizo, he created his party, he for him fico was a toxic politician, now he needs to decide whether to form a government with him or

not, i mean i will finish it, it is possible only in my opinion. if fitzu agrees that he will not be the prime minister, pellegrini will be the prime minister, and let's say