[000:00:00;00] enough, you know this well, and we, on the contrary, have to allocate additional resources for them, and you take money from them, thank you, the position of the committee, please, i just want to draw attention to the fact that the salary in the court of the higher anti-corruption court is uah 105 , this is twice as much as that of a people's deputy. any deputy, i'm sorry, where else should they increase spending on their salaries? well done, dear colleagues, let's move on, the next amendment: 169, 170, 171, 172, please, razumkov, 183, i apologize, colleagues are sitting and prompting, there is no people's deputy

even if you are 50, we will envy you if you are 50. but the problem is different, if you are so adamant about reducing salaries, let's reduce them for everyone. i would like to remind you about amendment 48 of the smart policy, which was voted into law and is now blocked in the walls of the verkhovna rada. and let's all take it out and limit the salaries of top officials at the level of 67 hryvnias. can we limit this law? agree 108 multiplayer and you, you know, you are incorrect, you compare with the salary of nardekigr, and i think it would be correct to compare with the salary of doctors, to compare with the minimum salary of our defenders, which is 20-100, yes, you see, i 'm telling you, it was to compare it with the salary of a teacher, educator in a school, in a

kindergarten. because sometimes it seems to me that we have a kind of closed cycle, we believe that there is no one else except the people's deputies , there is life outside this hall, if you want, i can give you a tour, i think it will be interesting, i see that you accepted my invitation, so we will definitely do it, thank you, roksalan andriivna, please, there is such a tension here that already in the hall, left, my mother is a physics teacher, so she promptly informs me about the state of affairs with teachers' and teachers' salaries, but by the way, i support that salaries should be limited, i , for example, in the draft law, submitted an amendment to the state budget for 2024 , which says that in the 24th year it is necessary not to increase the salary of deputies, which should

automatically increase due to the increase in living expenses. minimum, i think it is not the time now, i hope you will support my amendment, then the next amendment, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, please, dmytro oleksandrovich, i will definitely support you , i think that the two of us will vote, and that will be the end of it, but i am talking about something else, not about salaries, only about the salaries of people's deputies , and i suggest you limit it to minimum wages for everyone, not only for judges, for everyone, for your supervisory boards, which, yours, yours, too, no, no, don’t get rid of this, yours, you voted for them , and those who receive 300, 400, 5,000 uah each, do not sit down, work once a month, let's give them first

let's limit i think it was right, it was smart , i hope you will support it as well, and when i next ask for a resolution to overturn the decision that was brought by tzabal on the 48th amendment, which specifically already has a limit of 67, and there is the matter of returning the 3,000 additional payment to our defenders, you will also vote for it. see, thank you for the position, and finally, please tell me how much the salary of a physics teacher is? thank you, dear colleagues, i don't see who's there, whose line is there, i don't see, tzabal, yes, they called tzabal, please, please,

tzabal. at any moment of editing, tsabel, please turn it on. i will tell you a secret, in order to talk, you need to insert a card, please, now a second, the zabal will answer, here yes, look, i have a very simple proposal, the correction of dmytro, dmytro oleksandrovich, which he mentioned, she allowed to save about a billion, which is not enough. of the necessary money, there is 2%, it seems to be enough, this bill

allocates 303 billion to the security sector and of defense, of which 211 are for the armed forces of ukraine, let's vote for this bill and allocate these 300, excuse me 211 billion and let's not drag out time, but tomorrow 100, 37, where we really have different positions, tomorrow we will all be in that among others, i will make corrections, we will discuss, and this bill, let's vote , we will have a lot of time tomorrow on the 37th bill, where everyone will be able to voice their position, thank you, the position of the committee, then there was a reply, what about wages a physics teacher, that's all there was such an amendment, by the way, there was no such amendment, unfortunately, i will tell you that the salary, it depends more on the category, here is my mother - a teacher of the highest category, she has a salary of 16,000 uah per rate, if she has a full rate

, well, i think her colleagues too, she just wrote to me, great, let’s move on, dear colleagues, the next amendment, 179. 180th, 181st, 182 and 183. please, razumkov, rakselana andriivna, you thank the head of the verkhovna rada thanks, mr. tsabal, they gave you as much time as possible to write an essay to get an answer, you more so, sorry for the slang, don't smoke , they said 16, yes they said, no need to say what mom wrote, i was hoping you knew how much your mom would get as a teacher. as a person who teaches our future, who gives very important knowledge of physics, this, i think, would be correct in relation to this respectable profession, i

say now absolutely without irony, because our teachers, our doctors and our military have to monuments are erected during life, because when a person works for 16,000 hryvnias, giving himself there not for an hour, not for four, as the verkhovna rada sits, for 16,000, then it deserves respect, unlike many others, and when you talk about a salary of 100,000, which the representatives of the supervisory boards, our representatives of various institutions do not deserve, then indeed, i think that it was worth comparing not with people's deputies, but with such an important profession as the profession of a teacher, i thank your mother for everything she does, it is absolutely sincere. roksila andriivna, what is your position? we are already in

a substantial discussion, we have not moved on to the amendments, but i will tell you why i asked my mother, because she has 32 years of teaching experience, not all teachers have that much experience, and if we are talking about a teacher who comes after university, then he has... a much lower salary, before taxation, it will be about uah 13,000, and this is really little, and after taxation it is even less, and by the way, i want to address the education committee, on behalf of all physics teachers, i know that you hear us, that physics teachers, on sorry they don't get paid extra for the notebooks and for checking the notebooks they check no less than teachers of the ukrainian language, for example, hon. colleagues, look, i have a big request, we are currently discussing substantive amendments , i want to remind you that we, who were in the amendments, to change the name of the program in such a wording, other incomes, please, let's still deal with these issues,

we will pass, i sincerely really want all teachers, all doctors to receive a decent salary, as a person from the family of a doctor, i also know this very well, but let's move on to the specific... draft law 10 038 1038 dmytro oleksandrovych next to you 184 185 186 187 amendment 18, please, dmytro oleksandrovych, thank you, please tell me, roxelana andriivna, in this case , there are no changes in this draft law regarding the ministry of health, why there is no provision for an increase in the expenditures of this ministry, since we understand that the number of people who today need the help of doctors and , unfortunately, there are not enough military doctors for all needs, shouldn't

it be necessary to allocate additional funds, for example, instead of bep, which is already famous, in order to ensure more thorough preparation for the rehabilitation , restoration and treatment of citizens of ukraine, civilians of ukraine who suffered from the war, who have psychological injuries , including, unfortunately, even mental ones, and at the same time we must think with you about rehabilitation, restoration of our defenders, wouldn't it be worthwhile to support the ministries of health in this regard and give them additional resources. briefly, you can, andrievna, the ministry of health is one of our priority ministries, we always

promptly allocate funds to them. when available from them the corresponding request, we questioned them several times, they said that currently there is enough funding , moreover, the hospitals that are currently in the territory of ukraine, to which the nssu transfers funds, currently have more than uah 20 billion balances in their accounts, which they can spend on treatment and rehabilitation of citizens of ukraine, therefore the health care system... is fully financed this year. thank you, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193. dmytro oleksandrovich, please, roksana andriivna, tell me, please, what is the necessary increase of 91 million financing, ministry of ukraine. why is there such

a need, we have already done everything there. in our country, all the prisons, all the prisons have already been rebuilt, all of them, even my colleague, ruslan oleksiiov, went to see what it was like there, you were there, you saw it, you looked around, they say that it ’s nice there, those who haven’t been, those who will will, won't forget, dmytro oleksan, you can see better, you can see better, don't complain, yes, i know, i heard it too, but, seriously, roxelana andriivna, please tell me that we are spending these funds, why is the ministry of justice today , busy, they need an additional 90, more than 91 million hryvnias, do they want to build special special prisons, or what? the position of the committee, this is a very serious topic, we allocated 91.2 million hryvnias...

to the maintenance of russian prisoners of war, my personal position is actually different, if i could choose myself, and this is not a joke now, they would pick berries from me in the forest, but ukraine is a civilized state and we must adhere to all international conventions on receiving prisoners of war, unfortunately. thank you, the following corrections, dmytro oleksandrovich, yours, also 194 , 195, 196, 197, 198, please, aleksan andriivna, i understand that you probably do not have this information now, objectively, but you can ask how much it costs the state to maintain a citizen of ukraine who is in prison . how

much does it cost the state of ukraine to maintain a russian prisoner, if i'm not mistaken, there can be quite strange numbers, mr. jopanin, you, you locked up roxel andriivna, it's difficult for us to communicate with her. thank you, dear colleagues, well, i think, anyone can ask for such and such information. which of us, well, it's not colloquium, so that roxelana andriivna would answer all the questions, but i think that it should be taken into account that we have international obligations under the relevant conventions on the maintenance of prisoners of war. i agree with you very much, we need to find a balance, let's move on, yes dmytro oleksandrovich, 1992, 2022, 203, dmetro oleksandrovich, please, ruslan oleksiyovych, i apologize, i'm really not

up for amendments right now, you know, after alenivka, after that , how our prisoners of war are abused. after you communicate with them and communicate from them families, you know, i won't raise my hand to vote for plus 91 million for security, and let's call them that, russian prisoners, i won't raise my hand, because after people tell you what happened to them, animals don't do that, therefore , i think that 91 million should have been sent precisely to the boys and girls who returned from captivity and to give them the opportunity to recover. i

understand it's very funny in the hall, but i don't say funny things now, go talk to them, i don't think many people did. the frost on the skin goes on the skin, this really scary, god forbid anyone in this hall even hears about it, not something to feel for myself, so let's direct the money to them, they definitely deserved it, the position of the committee, please, i agree with you, i personally as a person . i do not want to defend this position, but the committee supported it. thank you, let's move on, amendment 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, razumkov, please, rekselana andriivna, and how did you

vote for this amendment at the committee? we didn't vote, i said yes, i'm done, we can continue this, how about you? did you vote for her? did you vote for the table in which 91 million was allocated, and which of the committee members did not vote for it, please, roksilana andriivna, if you want to answer, no, let's move on, we did not vote separately for this amendment. thank you, let's move on, the 209th amendment, 211 219 oh 211 212 213 please count dmytro oleksandrovych, well, we understood the position of the committee with the ministry of justice that 91 million should be allocated not for our defenders, but for prisoners. and i have the next question,

please tell me, and the ministry of finance 272 million, why are we allocating, there. the state, salaries have increased there, the workforce has increased there, they are fighting today, they are doing something else, of which we are allocating 270.2 million for the ministry, almost 3 million for the ministry of finance, what is the need? i do not understand, please, explain to me, explain to my colleagues in the hall, the logic of adopting such changes to the state budget for the 23rd year, thank you, well, no, it is necessary,

rukslan andriivna, it is necessary that, 214, 215, 216. 217, 218 dmytro oleksandrovich, please, ruslan oleksiiovych, unfortunately, the chairman of the committee did not answer with your permission to answer why we are increasing the financing of the ministry of finance by a quarter, more than a quarter of a billion hryvnias, it seems to me that the ministry of finance should save, they have such and such a task, they always do it, and until we constantly receive... comments from the ministry of finance against it, because it requires additional expenses, and here, well, the ministry of finance has set itself additional expenses, and it won't be too much, well, we tell you that we don't have... money and shells, we tell you that there is no money for mines, not enough to support

our armed forces, this is an objective reality, you don't need to tell me that these are grants, and these are loans and the like, let's do it differently then, let's find a mechanism to channel it to the needs of the defense security sector, or business support or recovery, because i 'd also like to remind everyone in this room that most of the. these are loans, not even grants, we thank our partners for their help, but most often this help will be needed return, and based on this, i would like to remind everyone that this money will be given by our children and you, because today we exceeded 100% of gdp, external borrowings, so please formulate why we are allocating additionally to the ministry of finance . please, the ministry of finance is the main manager, and therefore it is included in the budget

under the line of the ministry of finance. if we talk about an increase in funds, then the increase is for the territorial offices of the state treasury service and the state audit service, namely for the payment ratios to people working in treasury and audit services near the front line. for example, a person who works for the state in the state treasury department in kostyantynivka, and they still work there, receives even with a coefficient of 9,500 hryvnias in their hands, if we do not add these funds, then they will not even receive 9.5 in this in the last three months of this year. please. next 90 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, razumkov

, please, dmetro oleksandrovich, thank you, roksila andriivna, i have great respect for those people who work in konstantinovka, i know what it is like there, it often happens there too, because of them, who live there constantly and are under fire every day, but, let's start from a different perspective, let the ministry of finance then point out how it turned out like this, that the personnel salaries were not included in the budget for the 23rd year, it is not 2 million, they forgot, it is 273 almost, well , it is not, it is not two pennies, when we said to return 30,000 extra payments, everyone here was lying, running around the perimeter , told that there is no

money for our defenders. right said, volodymyrovych, that the ruzmkov amendment proposed to save money, you can raise the scenography, according to freud, it turned out, just like that , to save state funds so that they are not wasted, but go where they should go, to our defenders, and it would be worth it not to block it, but to support it, and i really hope that this post will be made after all. the blocker will get into the hall and we will reduce salaries for officials and ensure fair payments for the military and everyone else who is the defense security sector. but, unfortunately, konstantinovka, what you gave an example is not is the answer, 272 million. how many such people then? how much will we pay, increase this salary, and in which territory exclusively it is distributed. thank you.

the following amendments: 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, and you write it off, please give an answer, look, now i have opened the calculation of the state treasury, according to their management in the front-line regions, i will read to you just a few cities in which the management works state treasury service, the city of kostyantynivka, the city of kramatorsk, svativskyi district, the city of rubizhne, the city of nikopol, pokrovsky district, dnipropetrovsk region, zavodskyi district of the city of zaporizhia, khortytsia, khortytskyi district of the city of zaporizhia, the city of energodar, it is temporarily occupied, but the treasury is there and it has moved to the front-line territory, and they make payments that the city council of the city of energodar pays for, the city mykolaiv, 48 people work there in the treasury, the city of ochakiv,

14 people work there in the treasury. snihorivka cmt of the mykolaiv region, i can list them. thank you, please, next 224, again 225, 226, 227, 228. razumkov, please, 248 separately put, then, we will vote on them until the 24th, we are still on the 228th, sorry, sorry, sorry, yes, rokslana andriivna, can you not list them all for me? because of the above-mentioned settlements, i was not in energodar and i was not in ochakiv, i was in all the others. and how people work there, i understand well, as much as it is possible, compared to the fact that we are here, and they are there, frankly. but you didn't answer my question, 273 million. how many

people receive extra payments from them, that's 1000 people. it's 2000 people, it's 500 people, it's 100, how much, the only simple question, because i understand that we will then have such a situation that they will receive plus uah 100 each, the head of the territorial administration, who will sit very far from the front line and nothing global, nothing to risk, he will receive a large additional payment, but we are talking about honesty here, it is true, about justice, you tell me what a treasury employee in konstandinovka will receive, junior specialist, chief specialist, okay, but give how many of these people, let them give , they are this is what you should have, they somehow calculated it 272 million . you and i have october, november, december, three months left, let's divide 273 million by two, by three, sorry, that's

how much it turns out, 90, i'll tell you . how many people is 90 million divided into per month, just take the average at least per ward , please give me this information, i’m waiting, i think my colleagues will also be interested to hear it, thank you, well , i think, if the information is ready, then pass it on, no, then separately, next, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233 amendment, razumkov. ruklan oleksivych, rukslana andriivna, i saw eyes, i really wanted to answer, you her, you probably just didn’t see it, you just see the eyes, i, well, i’m just telling you in the good sense of the word, you just don’t see, but she really wanted to, you missed it, and eh , i'm honest, i just want to understand, i'm not against the fact that we pay extra to people who really, really deserve it, but

i want to understand to whom these funds are intended, so that... then it doesn't turn out like we have again there in the ministries salaries have become 100 or something thousand, this is a fair question, absolutely logical, i think that here there will be no questions for you and rukslan andriivna and colleagues, thank you, rukslan andriivna, please andrii, i have data on the cossacks, first of all, it is only the front-line territory and the front-line regions that have a front line, there is the luhansk region , zaporizhia, mykolaiv, sumy, well, because kharkiv region is on the border, and 2,000 people in territorial administrations will receive such coefficients in the treasury. as for why these funds were not pledged earlier, the resolution on

the coefficients, unfortunately, was adopted only in august of this... year, which is actually very late, the government should have thought about these people much earlier, but we have what we have, and we as deputies must at least ensure the implementation of this resolution, because it is very correct. thank you, let's move on, next, amendment 234, 235, 236, 237, 238. razumkov, please, oleksandrovich, roksana andriivna, i apologize, it was a little noisy here, please tell me, did i hear correctly 2000 people, the treasury, how many, 2000, yes, 2000, i was not mistaken, look, we are with you we're just doing basic math here, and when you divide 90 million by 2,000