it was the big ether program, i say goodbye to you, but not goodbye, espresso tv channel, then serhiy rudenko picks up this baton and moves on, let's see the verdict. good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health, today in the program. the war in israel, russia with the hands of iran to achieve world security, the shift of emphasis from ukraine, how the escalation in the middle east will affect the support of allies, aid is restored, will the biden administration really ask congress to allocate a record amount of 100 billion dollars to ukraine and whether the congressmen will support it, the situation at the front, whether we should expect assets

. head of the security service of ukraine valentyn nalyvaichenko and military expert oleksandr musienko. however, before we start our conversation, let's see how ukrainian soldiers destroy a russian tank that broke through the ministry. defense published the last seconds, so to speak, of the life of the top russian tank t-90m breakthrough worth 4 million dollars, let's see.

for those who are currently watching us live on youtube. i suggest you like this video, as well as vote in our poll, today we ask you the following: do you think the situation in israel will affect the war in ukraine, yes, no, or your option, please write in the comments below this video, we are in touch with yevhen dykiy, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, former commander of the aydar battalion platoon, mr. yevhen, i congratulate you, for the sake of seeing you on our air, each other, glory to ukraine

, glory to the heroes, so, mr. yevgeny, the third day of the war between israel and hamas, thousands of dead and thousands of wounded, telyaviv promises to give a worthy rebuff to hamas, the whole world is in anticipation of a great war in the middle east, everyone is worried about what will happen and how it will develop in the middle east, and how will this war affect the russian-ukrainian war? well, come on, here there are short-term impacts and a little more nuanced, short-term impacts definitely already exist and they are negative, well, look, here even you and i where do we start, ether of the information hour, our war has not gone anywhere, but it has not disappeared, but even to us, and not only to you and me, believe me, in these few days i already as it is not the first etr, i participate, yes even.

it is more interesting for us, first of all, to talk about what is happening there, because even we are subconsciously not interested in repeating almost the same thing every day about the situation at the front, because it is changing, but it is changing extremely difficult and slowly, and there suddenly something completely new so to speak, unheard of, unseen, but a new fire broke out in the information sky, that's how it is, even in our media pole, because the answer'. we can very easily imagine, in fact, on which columns of world newspapers we will be now, we were already far from the first, but we still stubbornly remained on the second or third columns, relatively speaking, in world news, well now we leave there for 22-23, and unfortunately, it is logical, here, well, no one is to blame, this is the usual logic, let's say, of the information space in general, people are interested in what it happened for the first time, people are interested in new things.

uh, israel uh, the day before yesterday, israel actually experienced our february 24, uh, 22nd year , one on one, that's right, just as big a war, which just started: completely unexpectedly, well, it's a big bummer for me, in fact, how did it happen to them, i understand very well why and how we came to war, completely unprepared, but it would seem that israel, which has been living in a state of permanent war for decades, could not allow such a thing, but we see what it is admitted, this is what happened, but they really had our 24 one-on-one of february, but accordingly, it is the same now in all world media, they are at the same place where ukraine was on february 24, 25, there, on february 28 of last year, everything is here, these are absolutely natural things, and that is, it distracts from us, this is, firstly, secondly, it may arise already in a very short perspective, there may actually be a direct conflict of interests

between us and the state of israel, for this, in fact , competition for aid from the united states, moreover, a little bit locally for one position, in fact... this competition already arose, well, we live in a very transparent world, even military supplies are mostly not a secret, unfortunately, er, and er, it is not a secret for anyone that american shells were coming to us, in particular from warehouses in the state of israel. yes, these are not israeli projectiles, the state of israel did not give us during this entire war, not a single projectile, not a single pistol cartridge, and we will talk about this a little separately now, we will discuss this aspect, but american warehouses are located in different countries of the world, and in particular, shells were sent to us from warehouses in the state of israel, because this logistically, it is much easier and faster than to carry these same shells, well, relatively speaking from washington, eh, of course, now no shells will go to us from there, they are

currently much more needed than the tsekhaal, here everything is as if the tracks did not go, everything is obvious, but this is a trifle, shells can be brought from other warehouses, but will it not enter the clinch at all, say? the question of who is now the first to provide military aid, more precisely, even i would not ask the question in such a way that the first in line will definitely be israel, it is absolutely an obvious fact, we have been building such a multi-vector policy for 30 years that no one owes us anything, they help us not out of obligation, but solely out of kindness, israel was building a different policy, less multi-vector, and therefore as a result israel has by states, absolutely direct defense treaties, which exactly oblige the united states to provide them with very large assistance, not to mention the fact that good graces have also historically happened to them, which is much more than to us, there is an ancient history cooperation, already in generations, and actually

saying, it is absolutely obvious that israel is now becoming the number one priority, of course, the states really have enough money and weapons for both of these wars, both ours and israel's. but this is objective, but subjectively , hasn't a new additional argument appeared among all those who are against helping ukraine in general, that it's okay, we may not be against it in principle, but then our army will not be enough for a possible war with china in the future, so let's decide, let's help the ukrainians for a long time, they're good, now we have to run to switch to israel, because there is now a fire there, i seriously believe that such a threat exists. on the other hand, there is also an opportunity for a maneuver on the contrary, the same biden administration, in principle, can, on the contrary, combine aid to three countries, ukraine, israel and taiwan, in one package, and in this case such

a combined package will be much more difficult in congress to block, because not a single trumpist is against helping israel, on the contrary, they are actually much more pro-israel, even compare. with the biden administration, er, yes, er, another one the thing is that the previous similar attempt, when aid to ukraine was combined only with the aid of taiwan, unfortunately, this cunning move did not succeed, was divided into two separate issues, but there is a nuance, the connection is still to our war, to to the potential possible aggression of china on taiwan, it is so... after all, it is not direct, but indirect, that if ukraine loses, then it is possible that it will decide that it can do anything, but the connection between our two wars , ukrainian and the israeli one is much more direct, because of the fact that it is against us, in fact, and against one block

of countries is actually fighting us and against israel, that is, the russian federation, whose direct ally in this war is the islamic republic of iran, and against israel. groups hamas and hezbollah, which are direct satellites of the islamic republic of iran, and also in very good relations with russia, but here it is absolutely clear that on such a large scale, and we and the israelis are currently fighting against one common enemy, against one block of these authoritarian regimes, which challenge basically everything democratic world. this can be used, as an opposite argument, precisely for the advocacy of aid to ukraine. so, but, but the question will not be easy, because the objects, objectively, the resources are unlimited, and now there has appeared on them, much closer to the heart... the choice of the israeli, phew, sorry, the american voter, israel , as for the slightly more distant

consequences, there may be a lot to play in our favor. well, first of all, here is what we have just already analyzed, that, in fact , one, the same block, here, this axis of evil, here moscow, tehran, that it is fighting not only against us, but has already hit israel as well, this can actually lead to very serious shifts in the geopolitical vision in general and in the states and europe, but this can push them to finally start thinking in the same categories that we think we, that is, actually by categories, let's say the big war, its approach, that's exactly the military blocs, and let's not say that , individual conflicts, which it is desirable to somehow localize and so on, well, in israel itself, from there i expect the most powerful developments, but of course , that they will be dry there already after the hostilities end, that is, after the war, first of all, they will definitely... there will be a big analysis of the flights, how they managed to get caught by surprise, and well, knowing a little, let's say, the history of

israel, i i would give a percent, well 99 even, that after the end of the hostilities, netanyahu’s government will melt down with a bang, but actually the israelis are not so stupid as to change the government during the hostilities, but right after, oh, it will come to tenyak, i think that his political career will end there. er, but except, except, well, directly for example, netanyahu was a great friend of russia and putin, there are not so many pro-putin politicians in israel, but most importantly, i hope that israeli society will now look at their position and their policy towards ukraine from a completely different angle. so, since the 14th year, they have been blocking not only military aid to us, but there. help , it was never even discussed, but suppose, okay, to demand help from them, well, there really is no reason, they have their own

problems, this is a country that is always at war, under an eternal a threat, but israeli companies are powerful manufacturers of weapons and one of the leaders in modern military technologies, so since the 14th year, for any money in the world, israeli companies were forbidden to trade with ukraine, that is how low our money is, even though of course, the companies really wanted to, they see the large market of the warring country, in the 22nd year this ban was not only not lifted, on the contrary, control over its implementation was greatly strengthened, and the key explanation that they gave, let's say the israelis directly the answer, why are you, well, not on the side of russia, but why are you so against any cooperation with us, sounded as follows, that netanyahu has agreements with putin, that if israel does not use a single bullet against ukraine, then in such

if russia will deter its satellites hezbollah and hamas from direct attack on iran and will moderate israel all the time, sorry tired at the end of the day, this is why russia will use this influence on iran, on hezbollah and on hamas and deter them from direct war with israel . well, now israel surrenders joined the ranks of countries that saw for themselves what the arrangements with russia were. they are afraid that their modern weapons will get to russia, because if these weapons appear on the russian-ukrainian front, the russians can seize these weapons and with all due respect, no, with all due respect, but that is not the case, the states are really afraid of this, but in the states this is one of the very serious arguments that is considered every time when it is decided which system can be installed, in israel, israel trades perfectly with russia all this time. military

technologies, and excuse me, the first russian drones were not iranian, but the first russian drones were actually licensed israeli ones, then they wound up this business little by little exactly as rashka’s cooperation with iran intensified, but it was, it was, that’s why and more than that, israel supplies in general to such countries with which, for example, the countries of the collective action, do not even shake hands, and no military, in fact, they supply all countries that are even directly under embargo, if it is not the embargo of the united nations. and there, for example, american or european, so no, they did not smell money in this regard, but our money for some reason smelled like a deal with the kremlin. mr. yevgeny, the americans reacted quite quickly to the war of hamas against israel, and in just a few days there should already be an aircraft carrier group, a large aircraft carrier group of americans led by the aircraft carrier gerald ford, near the shores of israel, and this is of course a great deterrent , including for iran. because the united states

of america wants to prevent iran's participation in this war if suddenly if iran suddenly becomes a participant in this war, and god knows what plans iran had before that, what plans they have now, if suddenly iran gets involved in this war, then how large-scale the war will be in the middle east in general, considering also on the participants of the league of arab countries and their agreements. if even one recognized state will fit into this history, let me remind you that it is not, although, by the way, it is morally correct to call them terrorists, because the methods they practice are absolutely terrorist methods, this is just such a brutal massacre of the civilian population, taking hostages, but it is about methods, and from a military point of view, it is not quite correct to call them terrorists, in general , such terminology is misleading, it is from the same series that when we called

it hurt that we ourselves at one time began to name those who fought against us in the ato. separs, there were no separs, there were russian occupation troops and collaborators who helped them, and we called them separs and thereby greatly underestimated the perception of the conflict and even to some extent this conflict domesticated, so to speak, from the interstate level, reduced to an almost civil level, so here is the same thing with calling hamas terrorists. hamas is a group that controls the gas sector, has controlled it for many years, is the government, actually in this sector, the gas sector is not recognized as a state, but excuse me, this is an area with a population of 3 million people, it is two estonia or one lithuania, so and accordingly, on this territory, hamas collects taxes, controls all institutions, including developing the local defense industry, this a fully-fledged small army, by the way, let me remind you that the population of the state of israel is less than 10 million, that is, yes, israel is larger than

the gaza sector, but it is only three times larger, and there it is not 10 and not 30 times, that is, it is currently underway. .. a war of two small middle eastern armies, but if at least one recognized state fits into it, and even more so a large state like iran, with a population of, excuse me, 80 million, then of course, it will be a completely different scale, and then the states will have to to directly enter this war, and in fact we see perhaps some penultimate step before a possible world war, how likely is it that the facts about the participation of the russians in the preparation of the hamas attack on israel will become known, if it is confirmed, what does this mean for russia, what does it mean for the middle east? if this is confirmed, it would be very beneficial for us, in fact, it would be very beneficial for us, because it would actually, in fact, finally equate russia with

iran in the eyes of israel and the states and western europe, strangely enough, they still ... these two visas are still perceived separately various countries of the axis of evil, its direct intervention of russia, in fact, in this war, it would have helped us a lot, well, personally, at the moment , i don’t even know whether there was such a direct intervention, or in fact, well, it could have been done without it, so that the islamic republic of iran is quite self-sufficient in preparing this kind of operation by the hands of its satellites. another thing is that russia definitely could not not know about it. this is already 200%. that is , at the very least, they violated their agreements with netanyahu by first not holding back, and secondly, they did not warn about this, well, this is the minimum that can definitely be considered guaranteed, but if it turns out that they also joined the preparation, well, that would be simply wonderful for us. thank you, mr. yevhen, for

the conversation, it was yevhen dyky, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, former commander of the batalna aidar platoon. friends, we are working. live on the channel as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms , for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please like this video so that it can be trended on youtube and will take part in our vote, today we are asking you about how the situation in the middle east and the war with israel will affect the situation in ukraine, whether it will affect the situation... in ukraine, yes, no, and traditionally , your comments on this issue. next, we will be in touch with valentyn nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service. to ukraine, mr. valentin, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, eh, mr. valentin,

the attack by militants, hamas on israel came as a surprise to the israelis, and judging by the events that developed in the first two days, they certainly did not expect this attack, why do you think these famous israeli special services missed both the preparation and the very moment of the attack by hamas on israel, did they fail, the israeli government is now looking into it, and in israel itself, experts, parliamentarians, are now expressing opinions to create a commission, to really find out whether there was information, if there was, what kind, but i think that this really a secondary issue, really what happened and what israel did not expect was that despite the peace accords. and despite decades and years of cease-fires, especially from such a small piece of land as the gaza strip, it's only 148 miles, so it

's a very small piece of land, but israel certainly didn't expect, and neither did anyone, i think in the world, any intelligence service, the world international or other countries expected a massive terrorist attack, which , as you know, bordered on suicide, that is , the attack that was inflicted on israel , hamas understood exactly what this terrorism would be for them will have to answer, and let's explain for our tv viewers that in fact, at 6 a.m. on saturday , terrorists who identify themselves with the hamas movement began shelling, shooting, and taking hostages, where there was a music festival... the nova sky, where there were thousands of people, came, peaceful

people, demonstratively came to hold this music festival in the desert near the border of gaza and israel as a peaceful one, as a symbol of the fact that the two peoples, two countries are coming together and can live in peace, then, the terrorists who entered the settlements near the border gaza and israel, captured women, children, and ostentatiously and cynically, knowing that this is the world now ... global, especially in social networks , videos of people with their hands tied in cages were distributed, because you dream, women were led through the streets, armed terrorists, all this, nothing else , than a mass terrorist attack, you can't even name it, and that's why it's so urgent, israel is responding now for the third day, in fact, it's the israel defense forces, which is now destroying terrorist warehouses and headquarters. and locations already in the territory of the gas sector. in summary, a massive terrorist attack on

of israel and those mercenaries, attackers who carried it out, in my opinion, did not work and did not receive biased information and the special services of israel, as well as other countries, only because, in my opinion, iran is behind this massive attack, at least , and rather on the territory of iran. the terrorists were preparing for everything, they received satellite images, they received guidance, they received drones, which were used for the first time, and with great precision , before the terrorists crossed, there was already a wall built with video surveillance, that’s video surveillance of video cameras, think about it, the use of professional drones was so accurate that they simply planted these drones on video cameras and blew them up... thereby depriving the israel defense forces of eyes and the ability to control what happened next with this wall, and after that the breakthroughs already began

the terrorists themselves with weapons and the taking of hostages on the territory of israel, all this in the aggregate, i repeat, i think that was being prepared on the territory of the most closed country of iran, and therefore biased information was extremely difficult for the mossad and other israeli special services to obtain. mr. valentin, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, during his address to the meeting of the nato parliamentary assembly in copenhagen , compared the tactics of hamas in israel with the tactics of russia, which it uses against ukraine. let's listen to what zelensky said. israelis themselves, israeli journalists who were with us in ukraine, who were in ucha say now that they saw the same evil where russia came, the same evil, with only one

difference, there is a terrorist organization. the declared intentions are different, but the essence is the same, you see it, you see the same blood on the streets , the same shot cars of civilians, the same bodies of people who were tortured, mr. valentin, unpunished evil... provokes new evil, do you agree with with the thesis that russia's unstoppable war against ukraine is provoking the world to new wars and new violations of international agreements, agreements, borders and generally any norms of modern civilized society. i think that the fire of terrorism is kindled now against israel and between gaza and israel. unequivocally

in favor of only one country in the world, this is the terrorist state , the aggressor state, i.e. russia, because now everything that really with the beginning of a full-scale invasion we saw on our territory and see, all this, if not copied, then just as orchestrated and coordinated , when terrorists attacked and took hostages and used, i repeat, rockets and drones against peaceful settlements in the territory of israel , all this is not just a reminder, it is the same tactic, the same application, and let's go deeper, but we all, let's remember , who from which country came to poper on the eve of this terrorist mass attack on iran, the minister of defense of russia, shoigu, he brought technology, huge money, russia paid and pays iran for the production of these shaheds,

barrage. munitions, terrorist drones that attack us, civilians, cities and villages of ukraine, and therefore earning such crazy money, receiving such crazy money from the terrorist state of russia, iran had and used them, as now, it is being clarified and will be clarified , in order to train terrorists groups to attack the peaceful settlements of israel, all this in my opinion is interconnected, not only the events, but also accomplices in the use of terrorism in the modern conditions of using terrorism against neighboring countries. russia uses terrorism against us, against ukraine, iran supported and now hamas uses terrorism against neighboring israel. this is what actually happened, but i will say that the timing of this massive terrorist attack against israel from the gas sector is just undermining. peace process

which was essentially at the finish line between israel and saudi arabia, between israel and other arab countries, which came not only to reconciliation, but also to the establishment of diplomatic relations, to the establishment of commercial agreements and trade relations, that is, he knew what iran and hamas were doing and harassed, supported, on my conviction, with their terrorist... money, the russian federation, they are allies. russia is an ally of iran, iran is an ally of russia, hamas is an ally of iran and russia. that's how it all unfolded. that is why we, the allies, are in the anti-putin coalition the united states of america, the european union, ukraine and dozens and dozens of other countries. in fact, it is time to join forces to stop such terrorism, which is supported

and funded by entire states. by the powers of the states, it is time to move to tougher sanctions, not only, you know, whether the statement was condemned or not, to move to a total embargo and not allow countries that finance terrorism to earn money on world markets. polish president andrzej duda believes that hamas's attack on israel will contribute to full-scale aggression by the russian federation against ukraine. let's listen to what duda said. that's probably true, it certainly helps russia and russian aggression against ukraine, distracts the world's attention, we will probably have another wave of migrants from the middle east that will hit europe. the topics that we discussed recently, prime minister mateusz morawiecki in grenada and i at the meeting in the port, are becoming even more relevant. the issue of our security, the protection of the borders of poland, the borders of the eu and the schengen area is becoming more and more important. mr. valentine,