iran appears. tehran provides russia with drones, which it uses to terrorize ukrainian cities and destroy energy and grain infrastructure. iran is also a longtime patron of hamas. us secretary of state, anthony blinken. iran and hamas have a long-standing relationship. in fact, hamas would not be hamas if it did not receive support from iran for many years. we have yet to see evidence that iran is behind this particular attack, but it is clear that support for after the hamas invasion of israel, ventony blinken was also asked if this was an attempt to take advantage of the event in ukraine. no, i don't see it, we don't see it - said the us secretary of state. but now many are worried whether the attention of the west, in particular the united states, to ukraine will decrease after a serious escalation in the middle east, the largest in several decades. polish president andrzej duda in an interview with tv channel.

polsad said that hamas's attack on israel is beneficial to the kremlin. this is definitely beneficial for russia and russian aggression against ukraine. it is a distraction to the world, but above all i fear that it will unfortunately cause a further one migratory pressure on europe. regarding weapons, the defense ministry of ukraine warned that russian military intelligence allegedly already handed over to hamas captured western weapons captured during the hostilities in ukraine, in the united states and the european union. according to gur, this is allegedly done to further discredit ukraine, so that it affects the supply of western weapons to kyiv, so the escalation in the middle east may have such an aspect. even if the russian operation fails, will the flow of western weapons to ukraine decrease due to necessity remelting some part of it to israel. authority rostyslav, thank you. very rostyslav

khotyn live about how the support of ukraine from the western countries can change against the background of the war in the middle east. thank you very much, rostislav. well, we will continue to discuss this topic, my guest today is fedir venislavskyi, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people, member of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, and i will also add that the president's representative in the verkhovna rada, good evening. good evening. mr. vanislavsky, do you share this opinion? against the background of the escalation and the war in israel, the west's attention to ukraine may decrease and aid may be revised, well, you know, this is what russia is striving for, and i think that the president of poland was absolutely right in saying that the war that is currently developing were planted on the territory of the republic of israel, it, the state of israel, it is definitely beneficial to russia, and the axis of evil, it can be clearly traced, is iran, which supported hamas, and russia, which actually has

very close contacts with iran, so russia will definitely do everything, that the aggravation in the middle east somehow reflected on native aid to ukraine, but i think that it is necessary to consider this issue in a complex manner, president zelenskyi, his statements were taken into account , he absolutely clearly said that the war, the war that has now been unleashed on the territory of israel, has the same terrorist content , as well as the war that russia is waging against ukraine, and therefore the world must unite against terror. on the side of those states that oppose terror, i think that ukraine will definitely not be in the shadow of the war in the middle east, ukraine, the level of support for ukraine is maintained, and we now have, well you know, from practically all the political centers of the world, confirmation that ukraine will be supported as much as we need to defeat russia, well, if you have already remembered volodymyr zelenskyi's speech, he actually put a sign of equality between hamas and russia and the first .

and called the second a terrorist, but there is one nuance: ukraine does not recognize hamas as a terrorist group, do you know how many countries in general, which countries do not recognize hamas as terrorists, i cannot say, russia, china, iran, and ukraine are in this company, well, i think you know now, after these tragic events and after the actual repetition of the horror that took place last year on the territory of ukraine, there is every chance that ukraine will think again about the issues regarding the legal status of hamas, but together with why, why didn't the people's deputies do this earlier, since the 21st year there has been a resolution of the verkhovna rada, which proposed to recognize hamas as a terrorist group, but it seems that at that time ukraine did not want to spoil relations with iran, well, you know, there are a lot of components here and we must understand that we are currently fighting a very complex enemy, which also has many different, let's say, points of contact and points of influence on different regions of the world, and therefore it is important for us not to acquire any additional

difficulties and enemies against the background of the struggle with the russian federation for our independence, but i think, you know, the question of recognizing hamas as a terrorist organization, well, this is the competence of: the committee on international relations, i think that our colleagues should analyze this situation more deeply and give recommendations for other people's deputies, i will not be shy, i am not an expert deep in the issues of the legal status of hamas, i know , if general things, that it is a certain resistance movement or a movement for the independence of palestine, but more in-depth, but if the president already called ham with terrorists , isn't this a reason for the verkhovna rada to raise this resolution in 21 years? we are waiting for the next plenary meetings, the committee on international affairs, i think that it will be able to give us recommendations on how to act in the most effective and rational way in this situation, that is, you believe that ukraine should return to this issue now, i believe that against the background of the atrocities that we have seen in the last few days on the territory of the republic of israel, where

indeed the israeli state, where hamas has demonstrated its cruelty and, in fact, terrorist orientation against civilians of the civilian population, when he took civilians out of cars and took completely innocent people hostage and used it as a means of bargaining, then this is the essence of terror, therefore the terrorist orientation of this of this war is obvious to me as a lawyer. ok, let's get back to western aid for ukraine, there is a lot of buzz now, we already talked with you at the beginning about the assumptions that the aid may decrease, so far there are no official statements, on the contrary, there was a statement from the european commission that the aid will not decrease. and yet, do you see any additional challenges for ukraine in terms of persuading that aid should not decrease, maybe even increase, or at least stay the same, well, definitely, we are working on that

we work constantly, and at different levels and at the level of the ministry of foreign affairs, the president's office, the president himself, first of all, and various parliamentary institutions, we try to convince our partners in different parts of the world that ukraine today is actually fighting for those values . which unites the entire western world, and today, once again, we must give credit for the good signals we received from our american partners, which are still unofficial, that the president of the united states, biden and his team came up with, well, if it is, let's say, implemented, fortunately for us, i consider this to be a very good and political step on the part of president biden and from the point of view of future aid to ukraine, i mean what biden may announce in the near future, will the congress take the initiative to allocate 100 billion dollars to ukraine so that the ukrainian issue, the war, the war that ukraine is waging against the russian federation, its independence does not become an argument or trump card in the domestic political, intra-party or

inter-party, more true to the struggle in the united states of america, and it's commonplace, you know, you know that in the united states there is no speaker of the house of representatives right now, he 's only going to be elected, and it's just a joe biden proposal so far, which, well, we don't have one right now , 100% that it will be passed, but i will go back to israel for a minute, you may have seen the statement of donald trump jr., he is not a political figure, he does not influence anything in american politics, nevertheless he said that he in two days of the war israel saw the real footage of the war, which he had not seen there for almost two years in ukraine, that is, i can now assume that these narratives will spread throughout the united states, including ... before the elections, and this, and this again poses some additional problems for ukraine to continue to convince the american politicians to maintain support, and just as the first bells appeared when the speaker of the house of representatives was fired, they, they could not, in order to prevent a shutdown, passed

such a temporary draft budget until 17 november, and then they hoped that they would approve a project, a budget in which aid for ukraine would be laid, but this did not happen and your colleagues from the opposition factions, in particular oleksiy goncharenko, said that what happened is no longer bells, it's a bell, we need to change the strategy, we need to act differently, you mentioned parliamentary diplomacy, but it doesn't seem to exist, deputies are not allowed abroad, well, this is absolutely nonsense, deputies are allowed abroad within the framework of official inter-parliamentary relations, i can tell you that there are friendship groups in our country, if it is an organized inter-parliamentary... interaction between friendship groups, deputies are released, released to international organizations, now our colleagues from various political forces go to the parliamentary assemblies of the council of europe and the nato parliamentary assembly, everywhere is normal are working, there are no restrictions on travel from the point of view of the fact that this is official parliamentary, some kind of interparliamentary relations

or interstate relations, there are no questions here, when people's deputies try to travel independently and solve some issues, then here it is necessary to understand that according to the constitution, for me, this question... is really quite easy, according to the constitution, the president of ukraine and the ministry of foreign affairs are the institutions that determine the foreign policy of the state, and therefore when a people's deputy goes and tries, maybe for good reasons and wants to... achieve a certain result, but sometimes this result can be the opposite, so we need a clear coordination of foreign policy activities precisely for the sake of what you are talking about, so that we do not, uh, put some intentional or not deliberately blocs against future aid and current aid to ukraine, and nevertheless, deputy honcharenko, your colleague, not from your faction, nevertheless from the parliament, he proposes to create certain parliamentary delegations, pool deputies, who would before the elections in the united states worked literally. in the states and convinced the most, so to speak, radical representatives

of the republican party, to increase aid for ukraine, how do you feel about this idea, well, relatively speaking, to plant a pool of deputies in the ukrainian united states, in different states, and demand from them. well, first of all, you know, mr. goncharenko, despite the fact that he says that he is not being released, i know for sure he was, he was in the united states of america and he gave good speeches that were supported there, and he really also sincerely tried to get help to ukraine, but... it must be understood that the internal political struggle in the united states of america has a lot of features, specifics, unfortunately, ukraine has been drawn into the internal political struggle in the united states several times states of america, as a result of which, rather, there was, let's say, a certain coolness in bilateral relations, that's why this is a very delicate issue, a very delicate matter, which should be intervened only with a coordinated, let's say conceptual, team game, and that's why i think. i think that if there is a need, and, well, i think that no one will, let's say, blame the president or

our political power, or our power in general, that we want to stop the aid of the united states of america, on the contrary, all the signals at all levels are for the united states to continue to help us, because we are doing a very important thing by and large, including for the united states of america in terms of their geopolitical interest, and so today to say that we somehow block someone and supposedly in order to weaken aid to ukraine, this is nonsense, but to intervene in such, well, in such directions, you need to be very careful, because the united states of america, well, if you look purely at the statistics, they have given ukraine an unprecedented level since 1991, during the year and a half of the war, in fact, aid, which is measured there at 606, almost 67 billion dollars, this has not happened since 1991, that is, for almost 30 years, we, you know, received such a case, and now somehow, even, i once again emphasize the best

reasons to go and start some chaotic movements there that do not fit into the general strategy of foreign policy, it can have the opposite effect, and how then, how to convince then, let's say so , the most critical and radical determined citizens of the united states to continue helping ukraine, well, they now have a war in israel as their key ally, and now, going back to the trump jr. narratives there, i fully imagine that such discussions will begin in the united states , let 's decide who we spend money on, israel or ukraine, how will you convince a key ally to spend on ukraine, with what, what arguments? well, first of all, you know, for me, as a lawyer, these arguments obvious, because the united states of america , together with great britain , are two of our biggest allies today, who help us the most, along with poland and our closest neighbors. after all, they were the guarantees of the territorial integrity, inviolability, and security of ukraine according

to the budapest memorandum, they remember this, by the way, at the level of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, discussions are also taking place with our partners in the united states of america, recently there was a delegation, and it's included politicians and former military and former cia chiefs, and they understand the level of their responsibility, and i think , you know, the domestic political course that the united states of america is taking today, which is bipartisan and bicameral support, with a small, or rather , in the senate we have, well, a much higher level of support than in the house of representatives, but at the same time, both there and there, the level of support for ukraine is very high and even among of the republican party, we have a very clear such coalition, which is included in this freedom caucus and they continue to convince and even under... after these situations with the shakedown took place, a commercial

was launched on the channels of the united states of america, which convinces that the war in ukraine is a war for those values ​​that are the closest and most important to the united states of america, and therefore this assistance must be continued, and right now the election of the future new speaker of the lower house is also aimed at solving the question of aid to ukraine, so i think, you know, ours and ours in the united states of america, and the secretary of state, and the office of the president, and the relevant parliamentary institutions, they are now consolidating and so efforts to maintain this level of support, the war in israel definitely. it will play a certain role, but there is a slightly different level and from the point of view of, again , legal interaction, because there is a treaty on special, special military interaction between the united states and israel, which we including and in some way extrapolating to ourselves that such an agreement would be very important for us and therefore there is no need to go through all those bureaucratic procedures that the president of the united states, the government of the united states, or

the administration of the united states goes through when aid is allocated to ukraine, there is much more much easier. everything happens because there are clear legal mutual obligations that the united states, well , cannot but fulfill, so i don't think that their fulfillment of those obligations that they have to israel is in any way essential will affect the situation in ukraine, so that this will be the background, i do not argue , but that it will have some extremely negative consequence, well, it is unlikely, you are an optimist, then, let me, let me, then i will talk about other help, in particular from the european union in the european commission today. have already declared that the war in israel will in no way affect the military support of ukraine, but nevertheless there are certain so far very similar, perhaps insignificant signals, but they are there, well, for example, the italian ministry of defense has declared that military aid to ukraine cannot be unlimited, so was the statement from the newly elected leader of the death party, this is

slovak, so robert fico, whose party won, got the victory. in the elections and he declared that everything , after his party won , aid to ukraine will be stopped, elections will soon be held in poland, also an additional challenge, because certain parties there are spreading certain even possibly anti-ukrainian narratives, such as the verkhovna rada, possibly the parliamentary diplomacy, will ukraine in general overcome these challenges? well, you know, when we talk about help, generally y in a global sense, it must be understood that for ukraine this level of aid is very important, because we are currently considering, we are not, the parliament is in the process of considering the law on the state budget, and it must be understood that about 42 billion dollars of the united states of america, this is the level that we need to get from external requests in order for the budget to be fulfilled, that is, it is a lot of money, yes, of the ukrainian budget, it is the western one, in fact, yes, the facts are even a little more than

50%, but what if we talk about some european events, primarily political, well, you know, our today's meeting and our conversation, it... revolves around certain internal political cases of processes in certain countries and in in the contiguous states of america next year, elections in europe are currently held in many countries and elections have been held and will be held, and they are all tied to the ukrainian-russian war, which we are waging against russia, and taking into account the fact that on territories, europe , russia has a lot of diverse and hidden and open agents of influence, so this struggle with... is much more acute sometimes than in the same united states of america, where democratic traditions, institutions, they level these possible fluctuations around these or other pressing issues, in europe, and in poland, we understand that the issue, for example, of the export of agricultural products, which became such a stumbling block for ukraine and poland against the background of the fact that poland from the first days of the war

again provides us with an unprecedented level of military aid and actually became a hub through which... we receive the vast majority of all the aid that comes from various countries of the world and repair bases there on the territory of poland, but the political issue that has intensified now before the elections and some anti-ukrainian political forces , including, you know, such right-wing ones are trying to play on this and somehow call for the restriction of aid to ukraine, i think that they will not have exactly after the elections of decisive importance, because the poles, who are very rational, and the slovaks are rational, and our other partners in everything, well practically... in the entire former socialist camp, they understand that russia, she, well, if, let's say so, she managed to seize ukraine, she certainly did not stop, and she would have spread her aggressive intent to at least the baltic countries, and poland would probably be in the risk field or in the risk zone, so our partners in

europe perfectly understand that we are now restrain this aggressive russian policy and the ambition or the appetite that might...be then extended to europe, they're certainly not going to stop helping us, and in terms of how much more or less that help is going to be, you know, well, going back to your question about and about italy and to some other countries, once again it must be understood that during these one and a half years of war, we spent an unprecedented amount of ammunition after the second world war, and these ammunition, they are also not unlimited, and no one thought until the 22nd year that it could territory europe, in the center europe, to have such a bloody and very high-intensity war with the use of various types of weapons, and this war led to the fact that in europe, well, we can say that the number of ammunition has decreased catastrophically, and now our partners are adjusting the production of these ammunition at a very high rate, they are adjusting

the production of military equipment, which is also needed for their defense forces, and when we talk about italy, we also have to look at the internal political, internal party , maybe some context, because there are also those, politicians who try to get dividends in front of their voters, they say that we need to reduce our capacity, because we, they can be understood, asks, the question is how ukraine works with this, you know, ukraine, ukraine we can, for example, judge by the last visit of volodymyr zelenskyi to the united states, well, he was no longer met, so to speak, as a birthday girl, and as the first time already as an ordinary president who came there on his own business, and also ukraine, here is sociology in general shows that, for example, in america, that more and more americans are saying that there is no need to help ukraine, that is... how much has ukraine reorganized to respond to these challenges, from the outside, if you look at it, it is reorganizing very slowly, and there is no parliamentary diplomacy at all,

well, you say again, there is no parliamentary diplomacy, there is parliamentary diplomacy , i look, we are taking me personally, yes, i am not a representative of any interparliamentary, interstate delegations there, in which there is the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, there nato parliamentary assembly, but i have personally been to several of our closest ones. states, there poland, germany, bulgaria, serbia and so on, where we are at the level of our circles of my colleagues from the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, we traveled, resolved issues that yield results, that is, i cannot say about it there is a lot to say, but i am telling you on my own example that parliamentary diplomacy works normally, and to talk about the fact that it is blocked or someone is sabotaging it, well, this is absolutely not true, no... only political tourism is sabotaged, or rather, only political tourism is not allowed, when this or that deputy came up with something for himself, went somewhere and tries to achieve some violent effects there

from his own , some of his own understanding of how it should be done, but this does not always happen synergy with by the general efforts of the state, and sometimes, on the contrary , there is blocking of those good initiatives that the state implements through the relevant specialized institutions, through the president, the minister of foreign affairs. or through the ambassadors, and as i understand it correctly, for the deputy to leave somewhere on a business trip, it is necessary to obtain permission from the president's office , i have not heard that i need the permission of the president, if there is an order of the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, no one receives any permission from anyone, the main main component of inter-parliamentary diplomacy is required, it must be the order of the head of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on an official business trip to this or that country or to this or that organization, there are no more problems or restrictions, i have one last question, it already directly concerns the relations between israel and ukraine, do you expect that there will be any changes now, because israel has tried to maintain a kind of neutral position after all, after the current

events in the middle east, do you think that anything will change, well, first of all, you know, there really is a certain there is a certain amount of truth about what you said that israel tried to somehow distance itself a little from the war, but since the first days of the war, i know a lot of our colleagues who worked, well, i mean colleagues not only of the people but also of representatives business and public representatives who went to israel, and who in the first months of the war, a lot of humanitarian cargo was sent to ukraine, not a military one, but a humanitarian component . israel helped us all this time , including means of active and passive protection, or rather bulletproof vests, helmets, and so on, we received from israel, so to speak about the fact that there was no interaction, this is also incorrect, representatives of the israelis came to us. which air defense forces shared their experience and we used it and adjusted our air defense, but

after this war, especially since now, well, i think that even politicians in israel, ordinary citizens, especially if you read telegram channels about russian ones, where they, as they are now russians, are not commenting on the sides of this conflict, well, obviously, that they are more sympathetic to hamas and the palestinians and if they condemn israel, that is why i think that after the war, when israel found itself in a similar situation as ukraine, where russia through iran, because of unofficial support there and because of certain provocations, which you said when i was making the introductory story and the main intelligence department on our committee also gave information, which had also given information before that, that russia would try to use the ukrainian war and the captured types of weapons in various parts of the world, in order to provide them to those and then those who... can lead to some such negative scenarios that we are currently observing in order to then blame ukraine for the fact that there are some leaks of weapons, or not

arms control and so on, so we are ready, but israel, i think, now he has really looked at who is, who, who is on whose side, who supports which line, i think that after these after israel finishes its military operation, or anti-terrorist operation, i think that the chances of increasing assistance and increasing cooperation in the military sphere are significantly increasing in them is not an anti-terrorist operation, they are a war, a war , they called it that, it is a war, and it is not known when it will end, thank you very much, fedir venislavskyi, people's deput of ukraine fraction voice , member of the security committee, the servant of the people faction, i apologize, this is probably a freudian slip, maybe in the next convocation, you will be in the voice, no, i once slandered myself by accident , the servant of the people faction, the president's representative in the verkhovna rada, was with us, live, right in the studio , well, we will move on, and now there are 14,000 ukrainians on the consular register of the embassy of ukraine in israel, this

is reported in the ministry of foreign affairs and added. that the agency is still creating lists of citizens to leave israel, instead, the ukrainians with whom we had the opportunity to speak in israel say that there are those who want to leave the country, but there are not many of them, at the same time, society is united as never before and everyone is involved in one way or another in countering the terrorists, who were remembered by the ukrainians who were in israel in the first days of the war, do they feel there now in security, how the events in israel and ukraine in february 2022 are compared, then for your attention the story we recorded with these people for radio liberty, there were no messages from our government, there were no official messages, yes, it all started with what people started asking in groups, whatsapp, forward the video of the border breach, and really, i can say, and with everything, with all the heat

: and i know that, it was chaos, no one understood the scale of it, there is not a single family in israel where someone did not die, did not disappear, yes, was killed or wounded, israel was not prepared for such a number of wounded , indeed, there are not enough, there are not enough medical teams, yes, and people are working, doctors, doctors and medical personnel are working 20' there are warehouses, no not all there are enough warehouses, that's why there are public organizations, initiatives, today in israel everywhere israel has, in every place, there is a city, urban, yes, there, group, whatsapp, where meetings are held, every person in israel does something, imports, in the military, collects aid, donates blood, well, there are simply no people

who are there for example, sitting at home and just reading the news, this government is going to answer a lot of questions after this war, and, but first it needs to be won, yes, and there were many warnings from experts, various experts, military, political, analysts , for me personally it was very difficult, because i also woke up in the fifth morning in kharkiv a year and a half ago and i had such very strong flashbacks, it was very difficult for me, in the first hours in ukraine, everything was in traffic jams, everyone left, everyone was buying groceries, it was a kind of anarchy, a lot of people, very i didn't understand anything, it was the opposite in israel, it was not anarchy, it was some kind of post-apocalypse, because

there were no people on the street at all. there were no cars , there were no people, that is, everyone was sitting at home, no one ran away, the only way to escape from here is by plane, well, as you understand, on i don't really want to get on the plane, there are a lot of people who go to the shelter, they follow the recommendations given by the rear service very carefully, because they understand from childhood how important it is, so for example, when the alarm starts, we go up and down the stairs there is the entire entrance, the whole, that is, children, dogs, cats, all with animals, all, men , women, old people, all on the stairs, i live in a safe, safe part of israel, so here i believe that people are more calm relate to this, now i can already hear cars driving, open shops,