[000:00:00;00] will go back to work and the speaker will control what proposals or bills can be brought up for a vote, so if the speaker is the gentleman from ohio that i mentioned, jim jordan, i think he will simply never bring such a bill up for a vote in house, and biden will have no legislative way to do anything, on the other hand, if steve scalise of louisiana is elected speaker, i'm sure he 'll want bills like the forest proposal to come up for a vote in congress, so if such a vote were to take place, i have no doubt that the bill would pass and become law, but it is impossible to predict the future at this time because the legislative schedule or agenda is entirely dependent on who is elected as the next speaker of the house, thank you thank you, dear mr. ambassador, for this extremely interesting and honest conversation on the air of the tv channel, and i want to remind our tv viewers that now

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caring people. espresso in the evening. our. current guest myroslav chech, deputy of the polish diet of the second term, public figure, publicist and historian, glory to ukraine, mr. myroslav, congratulations, glory, congratulations, well, i would like to start our analysis with extremely difficult news from the united states, such a story arrived that the speaker of the congress could be removed from office just like that, just like that, because of certain processes, well, the americans got out of their shutdown, but at our expense, relatively speaking, that is, for 45 days they , did not write in their temporary budget, what do you think is happening in the united states now and how seriously will they be ready to defend the already established line of the biden administration in support of ukraine? well, let's start with something else on the other hand, the ukrainian issue entered american domestic politics at that moment for good, that is, it has been present since

the first impeachment. trump, who we already remember, wanted from president zelensky to receive papers, black papers on biden, on biden and him, his son, so that the ukrainian, ukrainian topic, the ukrainian problem is present in american domestic politics, it has become an element of this domestic policy , should we be happy or not happy about this, well, i would say that there is nothing to be happy about specifically, because it is not good, when there is a problem. the element of internal confrontation would be desirable to preserve bipartisan support for ukraine, and this is bipartisan support for ukraine, but there is a minority that sets the tone in the republican party for this music, that is, trump and his supporters, who are isolationist, and they will be any elements to use against against trump, we also understand that an element of this

internal ukrainian problem in quotation marks, as we will call it, is also the impeachment or preparation for the impeachment of biden himself with on the part of the republicans, out of consideration, among others, out of consideration of the activities of his son, his son hunter, and, among other things, in ukraine, as well as his business interests, hunter is facing charges, but not because of what he earned here in ukraine or in connection money is connected with ukraine, only what he will get illegally, he kept in the house, he kept weapons in the house of his own house, he was once under the influence of drugs, i tell you so myself... in the opinion that how much is necessary to tell in order to answer to a very simple question, what is it? means for ukraine, certainly not for very good news, yes, because when there is no 45 days there, conditional support and everyone in the world

tells that there is no money to support ukraine, even the president of the united states, goes to his allies from the g7 group with nato and says that america is firmly standing by ukraine and this money will be. in support of ukraine, secretary of state blinkon states the same, the pentagon is preparing the next arms deliveries to ukraine, president zelenskyi states that america is with us, the chamber is bipartisan, support is maintained, that is, everything is in principle, everything is not good, but still there is some kind of, you know, inner disturbing feeling, that is, it somehow does not leave, i know, i always come out of such a situation in my life, every, every crisis is at the same time an opportunity, come on the most alarming signal is not that meck cards were removed from the post of speaker , and someone else will be appointed, but that someone else, in order to secure the support of eight republicans, will say that we are not very good, he will

support ukraine with weapons, or we will not receive money to give and so on, what is the point, anu the bottom line is, why they took down this meccaty speaker, because there is a small group of trumpists who are so tough. the trumpist around congressman goetz from florida, who has a tooth like this, lashed out very strongly against mccarthy and said i will remove you from this position, well , he got eight republican votes to 218 not much, as one democrat said problems and bail out your leader in the house of representatives, so each the opposition works in any country in the world, especially since it has started, an election company, an election company, which, like america, the world does not seen, not seen , so we agree, on the other hand, well, we have a good memory , we remember how the united states supported afghanistan in our time, i don't want to compare afghanistan and ukraine, well, but in

any case they were also adamant, they allocated a lot of money, and then a certain somersault happened and president joseph biden, so to speak, with great sadness in his eyes. looked at the evacuation from afghanistan. it is clear that , well, it is incorrect to compare it with the ukrainian situation, but in any case it is simple talk about the fact that america can also throw away so-called horses. no, i don't think that this would happen in this particular case, given that, in addition to america, there is also europe. and we, i think , will talk about europe, and that europe, which makes decisions, are historically commendable for ukraine, in support of ukraine and the future of ukraine, and to finish. the american line , so to speak, of our conversation, let's say this, support for providing arms to ukraine is decreasing, especially among the republican electorate, this should be a chance for ukraine, as if a challenge and

a chance, huh, what, well, you need to work more with public opinion, you travel to the states, and write articles, a huge tragedy happened, like in the village of groza, kupinsky district, kharkiv region. there were people and a russian bomb fell and 49 people died in that six-year-old boy, well, barbarism, well, we need to talk about it, it didn’t happen anywhere, guys, you are having fun, and the russian barbarian continues to advance, destroy ukrainians, and this must be shown and and shout to everyone, everyone should tell about it, that nothing is over, will come today truce, in 2028 russia will prepare differently against ukraine. but against the baltic countries and against other states as well, that is, it is clear, there is no need to invent anything here, it belongs on the table, on the surface, that is, there is no stopping, support for ukraine must be and it must be, and

to interpret it is not to simply accept it, and something so terrible is happening, the election campaign, the election campaign, the time is so dynamic , it has its own rules, but there are states that regulate their principles and their activities and everything, this is a pen, yes, this pen, this is, no i know, let’s imagine that this is president biden’s notebook , and he has to put his signature in order to finalize the story with the transfer to us of long-range missile systems in a cluster configuration, so to speak, he drags, he postpones, the americans agreed to allocate as many as 31 abrams tanks to us, but not 231, but how do you know that he was pulling, well at least he was pulling until the last moment, president biden said that he gave ukraine everything that america gave ukraine everything that president zelensky wanted recently, everything, well... nothing

we will not receive any information, it must be taken as a fact, but what readers, whether or not we will attack, how they will beat, this is already the decision of the military, i would say so, politically, in my opinion, the decision has already been made, the political decision should be in favor of signed by president biden, yes, and i think that if he singled it out, i think that he would not be able to hold back and leave, i understand that antin borkovskii with myroslav chech should be the pen that lies in biden's office, and monitors what is signed there, a bunch of secret cases and so on, i stick to it i don't want to know such an opinion, when less is said about what is being transferred to ukraine, and it appears better at the gates, i want to know one thing, that the ukrainian military has more and more expanded opportunities to beat the enemy, and that is the main thing. the polish-ukrainian conflict is invisible, and its form is visible, yes, well, when very harsh statements were exchanged, we understand, well, it is not as if this matter has started to slow down, so everyone convinces us that

everything will be fine after the elections, but i am sure that here it is not only a matter of emotions, but of politics, in particular the polish and ukrainians have a very good memory, and we understand that the so-called bouquet-candy period is now moving into another phase, that is , more rigid pragmatism may appear after the elections, and what should we expect from polish-ukrainian relations now and whether it will be possible to correct them, for example, we understand that it is very difficult to turn the political minced meat the other way around in a meat grinder, but i would like to believe that certain economic things will be pushed aside and the focus will be on security issues, but it does not happen that flies are separate from cutlet, on it’s a pity, i need a bit of a fly from the chops, well, i don’t want to schaden freude, that is, to please myself with such gloating consolation, but how when law and

justice loses to the opposition, the civil platform, the left and the third way together will have a majority in the parliament, i will say that the bad actions will be punished while still alive, law and justice launched a huge campaign against ukraine, unprecedented, absolutely, taking into account grain, refugees, and other elements, and statements about this, that it is possible, that military aid is already... there will be and so on , there was no need to do this, the result is as follows: support for aid to refugees in ukraine decreased from 60% to 30%, and accordingly rose, well, even before this support, ukrainian women are being beaten somewhere in some villages, they are going, here is the latest information such that a woman, a ukrainian, a refugee, was walking with a five-year-old child, and two drunken people began to call her out of the worst and so on, and such incidents on... unfortunately, it happens, and this is all

the result of the actions of politicians, this is the result of social fatigue, and we are also poles, let's not we will make angels out of them, you see, poor people both in ukraine and in poland, they are present in society, in fact, i know a little polish society, the mood was, it is like this, the poles were not tired of the help of the ukrainians, of course, it is difficult for them there, inflation and so on, instead it is the politicians' fault that they are trying to make a political play on this. and knocking down the points, what i am talking about the right-winger , thought to himself that they are growing a confederation, a pro-russian party, an anti-ukrainian party, so we need to visit their electorate a little and attract them to these voters to myself, the result so far looks like that law and justice is losing support, little by little, the confederation has lost support and is losing support, and thank god, if it is so, then i say that bad deeds will still be punished for...' your life , don't

play, slovak situation, right? well, fizo, the anti-ukrainian position, i think that we all need to just breathe out, we cannot breathe out, in ukraine we have no right to breathe out, because we must always prepare for bad scenarios, let them be, you know, you need to understand how to act in a situation b. so we have orbán, we have fico, and we don't know what the results of the polish elections will be, well, but in defense of law and justice, i will say that they did everything at the political and military level not to create additional problems for us and helped us with what could, that is, we are talking about quick decisions , that is, the allocation of weapons, the allocation of simplification... the transit is still the same, it applies to people and rightly so, i will also say that president duda and the polish exemplary government followed in their footsteps society, exemplary, i told them about it publicly, and praised them and so on, but the election campaign, it seemed to them, the election campaign has its rights, let's then

play with the ukrainian theme during the election, and that's why i say, let them be punished, this is an example will be a good example for other politicians. i think why i mentioned slovakia, and because , oh, it happened, a big trouble and so on, well, of course , there is nothing to be happy about, but again, while there is no new government, the old government, which assured that ukrainian support remains and will nothing will happen, talks begin, firstly the european political community, i.e. more countries than the european union, and the meeting of the european council, i.e. this governing body in the european union. dedicated to the expansion of the european union by eight countries, by eight countries, but everyone understands that the main thing here is ukraine, and the first conversations about the political conditions of ukraine's accession, what the decision-making process will look like, secondly,

the outline of the term, whether it will be two horizons, ugh, 2030 is the year of ukraine's accession to the european union, that is, not just outside the door, six years, not much, in fact , for full membership to be, and the third most important thing is how much money ukraine will receive as a full member, and in the process we more or less know, we know that the european union has created a fund 50 billion euros, which will be transferred to ukraine over the next four to five years, is guaranteed money, it is there, but there should still be hungary's signature on those guaranteed funds, so to speak. orbán, listen, this is all bad i can say by prorban, i will talk about orbán, he is simply cynical to the limit , when it comes to him that before such a situation, which has to make a decision, the question always arises, and what will i get from this, what can i earn, no i can earn money, now the negotiations are going on, whether

the european union will release money to him from this reconstruction fund or not, whether structural money will be provided. hungarian chip, because all this is in question, the problem is, he only wipes his ugly lips on ukraine, and in fact, he is now on exit from the european union, he simply won't, yes, won't receive money, and nothing there will give him any indication that he will have any influence on decision-making, these are hungary's problems, not ukraine's. but in any case, we understand, there is a question of a decision, a consensual one, that is, the european union , there is a formal procedure, if orban refuses , for example, money has been bypassed once, yes, yes, a second time, will be bypassed, and will be bypassed a second time as well that's right, no consensus is accepted, only consensus is accepted ukraine's accession to, because ratification, because the membership agreement must be ratified by all states, even the beginning of these talks about

ukraine's integration into the european union does not require a consensus decision at the forums of all parliaments. the european council makes the decision, we start conversations with you, the way they have been with the turks for more than 50 years, and if, for example, some homework is failed, we can see how excited the americans are, for example, yes, well, in principle, i understand , but an unprecedented story, when a clear calendar appears, so to speak , for the performance of certain tasks for ukraine, that is, the americans started doing this, now the europeans can start doing this, and we understand that we have to keep up, the europeans have already done it a long time ago. well, europeans, there are seven criteria, which were, remember, there were seven criteria, european, which the european commission should recognize in october, well, that is, this month, whether ukraine has fulfilled or not, it was determined by the candidate's status , determined by how you will do it , then you will be a full-fledged candidate for joining

the european union, i remember, they removed this moment, because ukraine did not have time, they softened and so on, but it had to be done, ukraine did it all. and in december there will be a start, as everyone assures, assures, that there will be a start of negotiations on the accession of ukraine to the european union, you know how many conditions there will be for everyone, 3,000 changes must be made to ukrainian legislation, and there is no need to tell it will be about, and what is it, and what, you will just have to sit down stupidly, write laws, write changes, introduce them, have such a huge and more than 3000. a huge table, execute may, at what stage, approved, not approved, this is a slow procedure, i went through it in the parliament, you know, after poland joined the european union, but i remember it very well. what were the negotiations on the part of poland, yes, and the key story, if there are so many amendments to the legislation , you understand that you do not miss something that

could, for example, harm the interests of ukraine, because there are also not children sitting in berlin who just hand out sugarcoats right and left, no, listen, europeans, americans , you can talk about the worst things in the world , let alone the fact that they don't know how to earn money and do not know how to count money, they are very good at this, and it is necessary here. but ukrainians are also good at counting money, i’ll tell you, it’s true, you know, some countries thought that ukrainians don’t know how to count like that, well, they do, the latest information that is available, well, for example, they are already trying on the budget of the european union, as in 2030 year, ukraine will become a member of the european union, during the first seven years of membership in the european union, do you know how much money ukraine receives for agricultural policy and alignment between.

186 billion euros of money, clean, live, without interest, without, there are no loans and so on, here and there kolomoisky was unlucky, such historical times are coming, you understand, you are about people, ours is about the bad, then it is now european the union thought about something else, but it will mean that others will receive less, or we will increase the budget. of the european union, these are correct conversations, and some european experts say yes, well, but the ukrainian case is a little different, given that ukraine is war, we have already given ukraine how much money there is, it is also insured, but there are these huge russian funds frozen, more than 300 billion dollars, so maybe this can also be taken into account, is it in the interests of ukraine or not in the interests of ukraine, and they also say , and also american money, then guys, maybe you want ukraine too much. ugh, and these are already the right conversations, that is, when it has come to the point, it reaches such a stage, i am happy , with attention to this, it is already concrete, because when

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well, there is such a thing, well, this is this is a fact . and probably, actually, that is why mr. andrii's voice is heard very often, as well as abroad, and this is exactly the topic i wanted to dwell on today, er, this topic is not simple, it is the topic of how we work with russian soft power, the soft power that exists, which acts simultaneously both in the whole world and in ukraine itself, i i would like to analyze this story a little, in particular the story that recently had such a resonance... had such a certain , even scandalous echo , in which mr. andriy kurkov also took part . as for me, mr. andrii, do you feel comfortable talking about it, i feel comfortable, i feel comfortable talking about everything, i

would start with the fact that we are now in principle reaching such an understanding: that we must speak on any platforms, on any topic, including talking about russians, including talking about ukraine, even where russians are also present. what is your own position? i will remind just very briefly the background, this is the story when you agreed to meet on the same platform with masha hessen, this is... an american citizen, as far as i know, but a russian journalist, who, you know, masha geison , an american citizen since 1981, oh, this, this, this, this, to be honest, i think it was five years, and she was already an american citizen, well, yes for him,

although, for her, no, for them, i know that she is. non-binary identity, not that long ago, so it's also important not to get confused with, with the correct representation, uh, i know that your colleagues have quite, some, your colleagues have reacted quite harshly to your decision, and i know that you've already explained , why did you not refuse this meeting, this conversation on the same platform, can you tell me why? well, you know, the situation that happened in may of this year, in new york. it was really unpleasant and unacceptable for the ukrainian participants, i will remind a little what is it about, that is, two ukrainian servicemen, artem cheh and artem chapai, as well as our writers, came to speak at the new york festival organized by peno