[000:00:00;00] the mentality of russians, that is, nihilism and fatalism, which were preached by dostoevsky and other writers, they are the reason that in russia there is no opposition, there are no protests, and even those russians who left russia as a sign of protest, they do not organize demonstrations against the war in berlin, they organize demonstrations in support of putin, and here... for me, the most important thing is that this virus of fatalism and nihilism did not get into the cities of ukrainians, that is, fatalism for ukraine is a foreign, foreign phenomenon, a foreign thought, and that is why ukrainians were not afraid to go out on the maidan and that is why in our country, i would say, civil society is stronger than

the political elite. and practically the civil society decides what to do, and then forces, when it succeeds, the political elite to do what the society orders , there is still one moment left, but for me too, i think it is important, this is the question of who speaks today on behalf of ukraine , and you know, it's just with athletes, they showed the best results there and at the end of the year they went to the olympics, that's it, that's it of course. we may not like something further there, there is not enough tendrils, then someone was pro-patriotic and so on with the wrong settler on his head, but the question of who represents ukraine in the cultural field is, to a certain extent, simpler than it is, for example, who goes to head the embassies somewhere there, well, let's leave that aside, but, if we talk about this moment, there are also criteria, this criterion is how many of your books

have been published, in particular, how many for... requests you receive from international organizations, institutions, and one way or another you represent you represent ukraine today, i'm sure, well, although many believe that , for example, your conversation with gayson was quite complimentary, because someone wanted more flesh and blood in this conversation, probably, probably, uh, me, but the question is that, in fact, i don't want you, if you were to take it for me, what is it called, i will say now, somewhere in the 90s, ukraine decided that a ukrainian writer can write in russian, but be a ukrainian writer, and in this category it means that, for example, andriy kurkov is ukrainian a writer and remains a ukrainian writer, for example, here in lviv ihor kleh, who was also a good writer, and i read him in ukrainian, by the way, in yevshan zilla, while still a student in this

legendary school, i was already very much worn out, what kind of kalinka used to be published, he has been translated, some of his works have been translated, but he has now become a member of the pen center of russia, and he lives in russia, in moscow, this is about the fact that we made such a choice, we made a much wider framework, actually, what is, what does it mean to be ukrainian, we have greatly expanded this framework and we, we understood that it means to be ukrainian, first of all it is a political nation, right? but there is also a certain one, we see in zelenskyi, for example, an example when president zelenskyi has evolved very, very much in literally three years, his statement about the difference between poop and the way he appears in front of television cameras today, this is a very big, big, big progress, and each of us has probably come a long way in this way, i remember, in the early 2000s, i read your interview, it seems to the austrian focus, where are you, where the journalist asked you, what does this trident mean?

no. it was even earlier, what does the trident on the coat of arms of ukraine mean? and you laughed with him that no one knows in the end, it is something similar to vedelka. the question is, uh, how do we all change ourselves, uh, can we have some kind of unified narrative that means the interest of ukraine, what ultimately means to you to be ukrainian, to represent ukraine in one way or another, somehow in the international arena, for me this, first of all... means explaining, especially now to a foreign audience, the history of this more than three hundred-year-old war, that is, in principle, to explain that ukraine was independent, that ukraine was democratic when russia was an empire, that ukrainian culture and ukrainian classical literature,

which... was not published abroad and was not known about, existed, it existed and that in reality, meletius smotrytskyi and his trenos, it is the same... european literature, like the guths and like the works of ancient german philosophers, that is, in principle, my mission is more educational, although i try, when i can, to collect money for humanitarian help ukraine, and i accept the invitation to almost any conversations, conference discussions, where you can advocate for ukraine and explain why ukraine is worth knowing much more about it than is known now, nevertheless, this is now my ukrainian mission, nevertheless

i will still ask myself, personally, what it means to be ukrainian, until recently, before the war, some believed that it was enough to correctly answer the question of whose crimea, or is that enough today, to be ukrainian is, first of all, to pay taxes to ukraine, to have ukrainian passport, respect this passport and be proud of it that you are a citizen of ukraine, know the history of ukraine, know the ukrainian language, support ukrainian culture and now especially support the armed forces. well, great answer , thank you very much, mr. andriy, andriy kurkov, ukrainian writer, was with us today, thank you for watching this conversation, stay tuned to

expresso. even at the time in the 12th year, when i finished school, i wanted to be involved , let's say, in the army, to serve, i wanted to join the army, i felt that way, i wanted something so much, let's say, in the 18th year my dream came true, my friends said, oh, you wanted it, you, well, you did it, the choice fell on polkazov, because my husband was already serving there, er, 18, well, for the moment, let's say, yes, when i arrived, and therefore, that is why it was a regiment of call, and he previously told a lot about it, that i had already lived, let's say so, with thoughts

about this regiment, i already loved it, so there were no options, and before that, when i became a soldier in the army, i was on maternity leave, mom, let's go. i came to the army to be useful first of all, because i have been with us since the 14th year there was a war, i was looking for options, how i could be useful, i was engaged in clerical work, i was a clerk, it was difficult that you have a small child waiting at home, it was probably the most difficult morally, i served directly, my unit and such need, and it was in uruf, yes, such a need that, as a businessman, i was leaving the zone, on the 24th we

were going to azovstal, everything was calm in the city, well, relatively, let’s say this, people are watching, driving columns, well, we came to zavstal, that's why it's more. more or less calmly, let's say so, because for i did not leave the territory of azvestal, we were in a bunker, but we had one, we occupied the territory, let's say this, and it was at the beginning, at the beginning of march, we felt it. so when we started being bombarded, it was very noticeable, because we were in such a basement room

, the ceiling started to fall and everything, so, they started, they started to fly, let's say, in the places where the rear units were, then it became clear , that we won't be here...' a little, yes, and it doesn't change , it's all so simple, well, it was called together. of steel, at first it was separate, in another bunker, and then our company joined it, because it was safer in it, we were bombed constantly, well, especially at night, we already knew that at about such and such an hour,

yes we gave commands, constantly the ship. air artillery, that is, it was constant, somehow we were not followed, we were even there by dates, i don’t know why, that is, there was no information , we did not have internet in the bunker to go and send some message to our relatives, let’s say, it was necessary go to another bunker, or go if you have a car. we were shocked by the fact that, in general, by the fact that when we found out that helicopters were coming to our steel with help, it was like, you know, a chance for salvation, that was the first time when i found out, in general, that helicopters were coming

, this was during a visit to zhelizyak, this is our, let’s say, that’s how the hospital was, such information spread that helicopters were coming, they were bringing help, some medicines, even medical workers, yes, let’s say, they brought them, but that was pretty much it. risky, very everything too secret, planned. so that there was no leakage of information, we even managed to save the wounded, we expected first of all that they would provide us with help, and that, well, i honestly don’t think about the columns, no, well, to be honest,

then... there were such thoughts that either we will leave behind the rest, they will help us get out of there, yes, well, some help will come, but we simply will not be able to withstand the defense, they will come to us, and there was either death or capture, well, yes, yes , let's say, because, but such a full-scale, yes, what is it, well, they will say, to give up, i can't imagine this , we were told that there are guarantors who guarantee rescue, that we will be exchanged in 3-4 months, that they will first go to the exchange, or rather,

immediately, take out our dead. boys and girls, then wounded, and then women are exchanged, before this was about to happen, i wrote to my relatives, i wrote that we seem to be giving up, that where are we going, i just said that i will not be there for 3-4 months communication, gave, let's say, instructions, but there are people to whom i informed that my husband had died and what to do next, i asked for help, to help the parents, the son, first of all, at first, we stood in valenivka, under the sizotka, they kept us there, they did not

let us go, but then it turned out for us, we left on the evening of the 19th, 20th, in we were launched, there were inspections, such, you know, shmoni, it was, it was scary, let's put it this way, because ... what will they do with you next, that is , you know, humiliation, ridicule, but even more so when they find out that you from the azov folk, you are like that. because you have to be either a sniper or a sniper, there are no options, well, like the army it must be a sniper, these are the options they have, when you explain to people that you are not

a sniper, what you did there, but they look at you, like checking your fingers. hands are looking, shoulders are looking, well, because i'm only supposed to be a dream, the first days, the first days , it's going to be a shock, because you don't understand the rules, no, you're going to be here, there's no information, uh, you're being dragged they are constantly interrogated, well, morally humiliated constantly, because you have. no rights, nothing much, thank god, she did not abuse me

the people of valeniv, but there were such girls who were forced to work, to wash the toilets there, to help them in a small way, but, yes, then we were forced to work, let's say, because if you don't wash... you don't go to shower, after allenenka, the moment when we were being transported, we were collected, all the girls came in, said, azov, get together, yes, to be honest, we thought that it was an exchange, that we would be taken to an exchange, but the supervisors were walking, they said that there, well, what kind of exchange, you will end up in taganrog, then we were clinging. it's for that, you know for some thread of hope that we are still through the tagan-horn, but on the hordes. uh, well, they put us in the kamaz, they blindfolded us first, tied our hands, one by one, let's say,

such a chain, they left each other like that, then they threw a river, they brought a tagna. there was a whole interesting quest, let's put it this way, that is, we were unloaded from the car, we met with pimps, some of the girls fell from the car , hurt their knees, those who lost consciousness, well, no, i don't know who, because we had blindfolded, proved the rules, we have to walk with bent backs, anyone who does not obey, let's say, these rules , will be punished, we waited for this for a very long time, and to be honest, i stopped

hoping, well, when they told us to gather, yes, that's it right away the thought crossed that it might be open. but when they started taking us there in cars, well, blindfolded, that's all, it started, a little panic started, because we thought that we were being taken to the black hole, before we were drowned, they promised to shoot us, well like, maybe it was like that jokes, but you know, it wasn't very funny to us somehow, because we were in a... situation, like , well, they took us to an unknown place, they didn't give us things, that is, the clothes we came there for, they gave everything back, bags , which were not returned, i was carrying my husband's belongings, which

i was able to take out, let's say, but i didn't get anything back, hello, glory to ukraine. and i'm at home, when we realized that it was an exchange, when we were put on, put on buses, cut off from the plane and put on buses, and everyone was given a number, but still, that's how you go and think, lord, even if it was real, everyone sat and prayed, there was a phrase, everything, raise your heads , open your eyes, straighten your shoulders, you are in ukraine, in the ukrainian language, i don't know, it was a shock, from the fact that

it is really true , this is how you discover that, honestly, glory to ukraine, when they let me call my relatives, i called my father, but the phrase was disappointing , but they said that the husband had not yet been brought, that is , the husband’s body had not yet been found in ukraine, there is no coincidence, or they just didn't bring it to ukraine, that is, at the moment, not yet nothing is known, when i called my son , he did not recognize me, yes, he did, at first i thought that maybe he knew, i was ashamed, he had not heard from me for a long time, oh. but later they say that he didn’t recognize it and commented that it was some kind of joke, that it was the russians, that’s how they joke

, like, yes, he then told me that mom, your voice has changed, and well, like, it has changed, each of we must fight for victory, must help the army, if it is a civilian, must help. er, if this is a military man, he should perform his official duties as much as possible duties do not bring us closer to victory, we have to fight with our prisoners of war who remained in the column, because it is hard for them there, and we have to do our best, make maximum efforts, so that they are returned home as soon as possible. and for ukraine

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espresso. greetings, we are looking for you. here it is the boy, his name is maxim pokalov, he is 16 years old, maxim disappeared on the first day of the full-scale invasion of russia , at least since february 24, 22, there is no connection with the boy, and nothing is known about his fate at all, before the war maxim lived in in the town of svatove , luhansk region, it was there that the uprising saw him, but after the russian occupation , the boy disappeared without a trace, and until now there is no information about his whereabouts. so, if you know anything about maksym pokalov or where he might be now, please let the children's tracing service know. magnolia. and look especially carefully into the boy's face, i am asking the residents of the luhansk region and the city of svatove. perhaps you will see this video on youtube or social networks and recognize maxim. you can contact us at number 11630. this is the hotline of the child tracing service.

calls from all mobile operators in ukraine are free. if, for example, you are staying temporarily. in the purchased territories and you have no way to reach us, please write to us on the website or the account of the child search service in telegram. also i encourage you to share this video on your social networks, the more people know about the search for the child, the more chances there will be to find him, so please do not remain indifferent and let's try to find maxim together. we are also looking for 15-year-old sashka ivanov, who is now considered go missing the boy was in one of the boarding schools in donetsk, and on february 20, 2022, four days before the start of the full-scale invasion. all the pupils of this boarding school were allegedly taken to russia by the occupation authorities. she told us about it grandmother sashka, who is currently in the territory controlled by ukraine and is looking for her grandson. we took them to donetsk even before

the war, just on february 20, the boarding school was simply swamped. there are many children there, he studied at a boarding school in donnetsk. above all, svitlana oleksandrivna wants to find her grandson, if he really was taken to russia, then to return him to ukraine and take him into custody. the boy's grandmother also said that she has information that sashko is currently in one of the boarding schools in taganrog or rostov on don, in the summer they were taken to yevpatoria. sashka's grandmother does not have any more information, but there is a very high hope of getting her grandson back. home and although it is likely that sashko is actually in russia, still this is not accurate information that is being verified, so i ask absolutely everyone who is currently watching this video, please look carefully at sasha's face, he looks 14-15 years old, of medium build, has light brown hair and brown eyes. so, if you know anything about sashka evanov, don't

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is free. we have created a resource thanks to which you can report any crime against a child, anywhere, at any time, just go to the site and report, and we let's launch all possible mechanisms to punish the criminal. stop prime uua. at night, russia attacked ukraine with mortars, all the details will be given later, explosions can be heard in kherson already in the morning - public correspondents report. we are starting the information day on the spress tv channel on the air of news. khrystyna porubiy works in the studio. the russians killed