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get into recovery. congratulations mykola, you sports ambassador from the come back alive foundation. these are veterans who have been wounded in service and are currently helping other military personnel recover through the port. tell us about your military experience since 2014. congratulations, my service began in january of the 14th year, i joined the 80th airmobile brigade, well then it was still called airmobile, now assault troops, we had, there was in chernivtsi the third open battalion, the 80th lviv brigade, and i went there went into service as a unit commander. amphibious assault, in that period the events on the maidan were just taking place, so for some reason i felt somewhere inside that it would not just end with this revolution, but there would definitely be some continuation, because russia

would not simply let go, let's say, of this influence on ukraine and therefore make such a decision for yourself, then you took part specifically in the hostilities in the east, we worked more in the luhansk region, in donetsk we visited only krasnii liman. to slavyansk, where they helped the 80th brigade to take up positions, so that later the infantry would come up and take up the positions that were recaptured, and so we passed, let’s say this, the entire sector almost from the border , considering that there was the border with russia, happiness, fun mountain, stukalova balka, and it so happened that my experience ended with a breakthrough to the luhansk airport, where i was there got. well, i wouldn't say that the injury there is very serious, but, well, they call it an injury, and this is exactly what happened, we were breaking into the luhansk airport and

ran into a mine with a boat, once then ran into another boat and again in another ran into another mine, so it was like that, well such feelings, we were evacuated on a gento wing to kharkiv and then an mri was done there, well, let's say an examination, and then we went to be treated in chernivtsi, how long did this rehabilitation last after this incident, and maybe what was the most difficult thing here? well, about medicamtose self-treatment, it lasted about two months, well, maybe a little, then i recovered in a sanatorium, where i had exercises for my vertebrae, and also treated my back, because when you... spend time in an ekirovka, because you are elderly, there are certain let's say so, the consequences of all this, then already when i i was discharged due to my health, i could not continue my service, uh, the most difficult thing was to socialize in this, to return from that

state of war, to a peaceful life, that’s right, well, it was personally the most difficult for me, not some physical pains, it it also probably made adjustments to my condition, but the return itself was the most difficult, you turned to... a psychologist , or he helped you adapt, or you somehow tried on your own, of course, you tried to work with psychologists, but you didn’t open up to the end , because we understood that the psychologist would not understand us and well for example, we have so many soldiers, my comrades say that they do not fully open up to a psychologist, such a simple, let's say, non -military, who will not understand his condition, which he was going through, and that's why it was ineffective, let's say so. that's why you tried it yourself, also that's why i tried it myself, i read the literature, yes, there's a trailer there, different works of different doctors who worked specifically with the military, and well, in this way,

i'll get myself out of that state, plus with sports, because, well, i like it , i used to do this before the service and sports really helped me in in this regard, i somehow felt full, for a certain period i myself...' just exhausted myself in order to fall asleep normally, to sleep, because there were also problems with sleep, there were some obsessive thoughts that you need, well, to stay awake so that you survived, but actually you were already safe at home, and... but well, the brain was not able to react to it in a different way, so i exhausted myself with training to such a state that i just came, took a shower and even included, shall we say, in i spent about three months at this rhythm, i set myself up like that, and this is how you came to this idea that you need to recover with sports, but no way, i just saw my reflection in the mirror , as i was then and now, and realized that something is definitely wrong, so you have to go back there in any way, because directly.

i didn't like, let's say, my reflection in the mirror and my moral state, when i saw what i was like then, i think that i can return to the same form and the same feeling, fulfillment that you are well, you can really do anything, no matter what, tell us what motivated you to become a sports ambassador and, in your opinion, why it is you who can help veterans, i was motivated by my desire , let's say, to do sports and the fact that i was selected for the games, and i followed the come back alive fund, well, constantly on facebook, and also, on the endictus page games, and i saw the selection there, for this program of sports ambassadors, and realized, well, why not try, what i can help veterans with, well, in what i will show by my own example, tell you that sports will help you reabi' it is faster to return from that

state, well, because there are a lot of my colleagues very, let's say, they didn't start on the path of rehabilitation, well, like, let's say, sports or some kind of psychological, but started to bury themselves, with bad habits, and well , right now they are, let's say, well, it's a pity to look at that, well it's a real shame because they couldn't handle it, and you in general? perhaps you have already talked to some veterans, how ready are they to join your project and return or start playing sports? we talked, we recently went to the rehabilitation center to see the guys, then those who wanted showed up right away, so we even thursday, now on the 8th, we gather, play football, veterans join already, well, that's why it's also one of our projects that exists, we founded the football club bukovynska sich.

in the 20th year, it seems, with ivan hertsunov, he is also a prize winner of the invic games, a football team, this is also a type of, let's say, a project that will help veterans rehabilitate, the guys took it positively, because they really need it, some veterans , if they did not have sports experience, and especially i am also interested, there is the military, who, for example, had a limb amputated, how ready are they to join the project, do they have any fears or doubts, whether they will succeed, well, they first of all need, let's say, to finish treatment with, well, physical, and then move on to the rehabilitation, let's say, sports, a little later, because i think that i will tell about the example of guys who were selected for the games of the invincibles, who performed, like, represented our country on the international arena. and they

will see and be inspired, i think that they should it won't hurt to try yourself in this sport too, let's say, even hitting , when we were training on conchusaspa, there were , let's just say, the guys from invictus, they also held meetings there, they were right, well, i don't know, i even charged with them, how can they, let’s say, having lost a limb shoot a bow better than those who have two hands, they knocked out dozens with their teeth, those who when... the other guys didn’t hit, so this is just such an example, i think that will be enough for veterans, moreover, veterans are it those people who, let's say, are morally strong, so it will be difficult to break them or convince them of something else that they don't need, set some specific goals and tasks for you, that's exactly what you should do in the region as a sports ambassador, there it was simply divided, the projects themselves were divided into certain ...' stages, that is, in order to be able to help someone,

we had to help ourselves first of all, to understand that we are the people who have to show by our own example that this is real sport, he helped me, and guys, come on unite, let's do it together, they put it like this, of course, it was a certain goal that we, let's say, in the regions , create cells and around which vets unite, er, in order for them to recover , well, with the help of sports. and we already have such centers in the region, or do you need to attract veterans from scratch and unite them? currently there is none. i do not know exactly such organizations, because when there was a selection in the 18th year of the tus games, i was one of the oblasts who represented my oblast in the selection of the national team of ukraine, then a year later,

it seems so, we already had three, one of them made it to the national team of ukraine, went to canada, it seems that he even won prizes there , and in this way, the guys, the guys understood, it's real, well, it's real, you can get into national team of ukraine, i think it is a great honor , well, you said that we do not have such a center of the veteran community, specifically in the sports direction, there is no such sports as you plan to unite them, here i am in the process of creating a public organization, precisely with with a sports inclination, but my brothers from lviv help me in them it has been working for a long time, so i don't think it will take long, well, a lot of time, and i will go to rehabilitation centers to tell that there is such an organization, and we are doing this and that, so please join, recover, then they will work in us in any way, well, psychologists, first of all, because i understand that people

can have different conditions, and they don't necessarily only need sports, they need help, psychological, help with some kind of paperwork, well, that is, it will be an organization that will provide extensive, let's say, extensive help, so it will definitely not be me, i will be my brothers, who can no longer serve, well, i talked to the guys who are ready to join this, it's you now about veterans or about psychologists and specialists, look, there are psychologists, veterans too, but for us, let's say , valery chobotar worked with us, if you know, volunteers of god's chita, he was also there, let's just say, he starred in that film. and he is a military man, an active military man, and a wonderful psychologist, and so it was as easy as possible for us to talk to him, because you talked on an equal level, a veteran, and it's much easier that way, so i'm more inclined to have veterans who have some kind of psychological education work with veterans,

well, it will be much more effective , than when i already talked about it, that a veteran does not always open up to a simple psychologist, i say from my experience that when i talked to a psychologist, she, well, i see tears in her eyes, i stopped, said, that's all, well, i'll go, that's all, well, that's why, that's the question what are the terms, that is, the creation of a public organization and the launch of this sports and psychological rehabilitation, well, the terms of the creation of a public organization are right up to a week, yesterday there was a conversation with... the shooting sports federation, they are ready to provide us with a place for training for shooting with bow, we will also work with patrons to help us, with a math base, i.e. bows, arrows and all these necessary things for that, it is also planned, in general, with patrons who would

help to communicate with people who, let's say, are engaged in simple rehabilitation in sports halls. that is, that there were some trainers there who provided their services on a volunteer basis , but that veterans could simply go to work out in the gym for free, and are gyms available in our country, while there is a problem with availability in many, not only in gyms, in many institutions in general, therefore, we will, let's say, work on it so that it is convenient to find such locations, so that veterans have the maximum. it is comfortable and convenient to engage in physical rehabilitation, there are plans, there are certain locations around the city, premises, but they are located right in, well, you understand, in a neglected state, and quite a lot of money is needed in order to create exactly

such a public, well, public veteran space for what to equip there with accessibility, with sports equipment, but you understand all this yourself. not the work of one month or two, it is a long, long process, but i am only in favor of creating, let's say, a separate veteran's space with exercise machines, with its own rehabilitators, with massage therapists and with a psychologist, well, what about adaptive sports, on bukovyna we already have such as we could veterans should be engaged in, it is necessary to develop this field from scratch, at the moment we do not have such a field specifically for veterans, therefore... we will work on it, but what fields would be available specifically for veterans, it is clear, archery , well, this can be done by people, even those who lost their limbs while in the army, they also... well, they shoot quite well, but there are people who are ready to lend their bows to veterans so that they can work and do this, let's

say, recovery, i think that it is necessary in to approach the complex, i.e. some classes even in the same gym, in order to grasp the concept itself, well, rowing is also one of the disciplines at the endictus games, it also develops, let’s say, the upper part of the body well, well, in fact, there are no adaptive sports at all so many. swimming, but we currently have problems in general, well, with accessibility to swimming pools, let's model the situation, there is a sports ground or a stadium in the village, what should the community do so that this stadium is accessible to veterans, and they can do adaptive sports there , to sign a memorandum of cooperation with our public organization, and those veterans will have access, let's say, to sports on that site, and if we are talking about...' precisely about some kind of infrastructure or equipment, that's what it all depends on, it all depends

from, let's say, from the equipment at that site, well, i'm not sure that the communities will now, let's say, invest in oxygen equipment in order to adapt it specifically to these veterans, this is sports, because veterans can come , it is permissible in chernivtsi, to the regional center, and right away to do what you don’t want , on the spot, i think it will be... some simple simulators, where they can, or even play the same football there, and you don’t do you think that there is a part of veterans who may be less mobile or with amputated limbs who will not find it very convenient to get to chernivtsi, and they will actually remain outside this project and will not engage in sports if there are no opportunities for this in their communities, no , i think we will find an opportunity to those veterans to enable them, well, for them to... get there, let's er, well, i'm actually sure that we have such,

let's say, means of transport, with the help of which veterans will be able to simply come here, deal with and take them back, well, i am more than confident that we will work on this in our country, that is, it is more valuable to organize it than to do it on the spot? i think so, because the coaches will be in place, they will be able to go somewhere, well, for some reason i see it, is it so, if? for example, local government wants to organize such a place for veterans to practice, adapt the entire infrastructure for it, how expensive is it in general, the work and how difficult is it to do? in fact, there is not even a certain understanding of the estimate of the cost of these works, because, i will definitely repeat that i am in this project at the stage of completion. at the moment, there are several premises that we were told that they are posted and we can try to do something there, but that’s all, you understand that

you need funds and quite a lot, due to the equipment, well, there is none now, let’s put it this way, delays in that, well, in kyiv, where we trained, there is everything there, there is a gym , carts for playing, basketball on carts, the same volleyball sitting also veterans play, they don’t have limbs, well, i don’t... equipment that , let's say, it's in short supply and it won't be possible to buy it quickly, you're currently focusing on archery and you've already talked about what you plan to do and organize a school, maybe you also have some deadlines here, when exactly the training will start, for now there are no deadlines yet, just yesterday there was a conversation with the heads of the federations and they will be talk to the coaches in the schools, because their services will be on a volunteer basis , if they agree, then i think they will agree and work, they will provide

free hours, when we can come, and then we will adapt to, let's say yes, under coaches, it’s not a hobby, it’s sports rehabilitation, well, i think that whoever likes it will do archery, whoever doesn’t like it, will go to the gym, the same, in the same football too, in our country there is already a football team, we will apply for some tournaments, well somehow it's more about rehab, sisters-in-law getting closer to victory, and another year where we don't celebrate. and we choose our independence. and another day when

they try to deprive us of the right to be ourselves. and one more fleetingness of the terrible war, which has been going on for centuries, but the whole world has already been convinced: our independence cannot be destroyed, drowned , burned, shot, and the greater our hatred, the stronger our independence, the closer our victory, independence proves. .. every day, how are you? all right? as children, as a mother, i have more or less everything, well almost, of course, fatigue, of course insomnia, but in no case do not feel it, because the strength is right here, inside us, and in those who are close to us, we will

definitely overcome everything, i also remember the first weeks, i seem to be in a state of cannibalism. and lived only by work, everything that brought joy to that somehow disappeared, then the enemy began shelling our cities and our energy system. the days without light, communication and heat came, i started to go on the air and explain to ukrainians what is happening and what will happen next? at some point, i remembered my old hobby, photography, whatever it was crisis, we must leave time for ourselves to be happy here and now, if you want to learn how to help yourself and others, go to how are you.com. congratulations to everyone on the air marathons single news. the team of the first public broadcasting channel works for you. my name is andriy dikhtyarenko and my sign language is tetyana zhurkova. a conference on demining ukraine was held in croatia and we will talk with representatives of the ukrainian delegation. in particular

, there were representatives of the minister of the ministry of economy of ukraine and the deputy minister of economy let's talk right now, mr. igor, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory, i congratulate you , well, this is strange, yes, why exactly are representatives of the ministry of economy going to the exchange conference, let's explain to our viewers how it happened, thank you, good a question in two words, the ministry of economy has been leading the process of coordination for humanitarian demining for about six months, it is only a question of combining the efforts of all participants in the process, that is, the state emergency service, the ministry of defense, private, private operators and all those involved in working with clearing the territory of ukraine for civilian needs, the role of the ministry of economy in this process is not in the form of an expert from the point of view of learning how to demine

the territories, the ministry of economy is responsible for strategic planning, for prioritization, interaction with partners, and many other areas, which allow us to speed up the construction of a system, an effective system, and actually, due to the fact that the ministry of economy is engaged in the coordination of international partners, interaction with international partners, we are now in croatia, in zagreb and take part in the international donar conference. mr. igor, i know that you are a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, yours. experience helps you at such conferences, where the exchange of names will be discussed in particular? well, my personal experience helps me to establish personal contacts with the community representatives there very quickly and qualitatively, because i am not a specialist in humanitarian demining in its pure form, i do not have much experience, but

sharing my own background makes it quite good to build... good relations precisely on at the horizontal level, who are now deciding a lot of things, because official communication remains, it works, but when there is an opportunity to write to someone from above, it is clear, but you mentioned that you took the floor at the donor conference, and what they say, in particular, about the continuation of support for ukraine , we are talking about financially from the european union, what are the pitfalls here now, maybe? definitely there will be support, it continues and will continue, because cleaning the territory of ukraine is not only a problem of ukraine, ukrainians, this is a global challenge, territories that are now not suitable for use in agriculture, they were a source of food for a large number of inhabitants