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forecasts, politics and geopolitics, serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this. people who have information and form. common opinion, people defending ukraine and creating the future right now , the main and interesting thing in the verdict program is by serhiy rudenko, from monday to friday at 20:00, repeat at 12:10, congratulations, friends, this is a program worldview, my name is vasyl zima, and for the next 45 minutes we will be in the project: worldview, to talk about how under the conditions in which our world and our civilization exist today, democracy can, i would not say win, but worthily resist tyranny and dictatorship,

you know that the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe must now pass a resolution recognizing vladimir putin as a dictator, that is, until now he was not a dictator, but now he must be recognized as a dictator, and in fact, the russian regime will be called: a dictatorial regime and russia will join the circle of those states that are already dictatorial, in particular we are talking about iran , in particular we are talking about north korea, i will not talk about china, i have no information about what they have there, what form of government they have there, in any in any case, i'm only talking about those regimes that really today have all the signs of dictatorial regimes, these dictatorial regimes have many advantages in terms of how to wage war against the civilized world, against democracy, against what we call democracies, absolutely not suitable. ..' control of power by the people, absolute, absolute freedom in making certain decisions, absolute disregard for the will of the people, the losses suffered by this people in those wars unleashed by dictatorships, absolutely free,

absolutely free opportunity to dispose of the finances of that state and the people in which they are, absolutely the free opportunity to commit terrorist attacks on the territory of any state they can reach, that is, se... people who are the personification of evil, who have no warnings, warnings, rules, laws that could restrain them in their conduct aggressive war, whether it is an information war, whether it is an economic war, or whether it is an ordinary war, a hot war, which we see today in ukraine, and the question arises, what about democracies, how about democracies, what is ukraine, what is the united states america, the countries of the european union, australia and many other countries, how can they resist these dictators, what are the chances of victory, or should we simply abandon these conventions, say that these democratic norms and principles are conventions that hinder we have to fight, and then that's it to exchange blows, and whoever wins will remain alive and say, well, now

we are going back to the norms of democracy, we will live according to democratic principles, because again, well, there are certain principles, for example , in the mobilization of the population, in dictatorial regimes no one asks how many people need to be mobilized, they can destroy half of their population , it does not matter to them, there are certain rules, and there is such a suspicion or fear that democratic countries, or countries in which there are democratic these rules and norms may in the future give way, globally, give way to dictators, give way to tyranny, because they simply will not be able to adequately respond to them and adequately wage this war, because , again, if you spend a huge amount of money on war and your population just begging. it does not matter to dictators, he begs, let him beg, well, you can't do that in a democracy, you have to make sure that there is enough money for everything, because there are certain rules there, and this is a very important topic, and we we will speak today for

guests, the first guest i will bring to the conversation is serhiy gromenko, an expert of the ukrainian institute of the future , mr. serhiy, i congratulate you, good afternoon, i made a small conditional introduction to our conversation in order to better explain to people why, i this topic taken for our edition, please tell me whether it is possible to say today that the war in ukraine started, well, quite realistically , an era of confrontation, a heated confrontation between dictatorships and democracy in the world of two civilizations, well, in fact, one of which should remain dominant. i wouldn't reduce it to the question of civilizations, so as not to switch to some exchange, because then to... admit that russian civilization is, let's say, something separate, that is, to play along with the russian narrative, or to enter into discussions about whether china and iran can be recorded as one civilization,

let us let's stick with the old terms, with the world of dictatorships and the world of democratic countries, and it is obvious that from time to time they collide and not because there are any special conditions in the countries or the wrong leaders come to power, most likely it is about a certain cycle development, and from time to time dictatorships feel the strength of democracies, as it happened 2,500 years ago, and 100 years ago, and 70 years ago, and the time has come, and now, to feel whether timocratic countries and their democratic norms did not ask too much, please tell me, the main goal today, if we speak, let’s say so right away, who can we write today in this new news of evil , which is being talked about, well, those countries, at least, which

are actively participating in the confrontation not only with ukraine, but also to our western partners, i i know that the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe should, well, at least there pass a resolution recognizing putin as a dictator, and obviously then it will be possible to say that in the opinion of european politicians, the european political community, putin is a dictator, and his regime is dictatorial, from yes, russia is a dictatorial regime, and it will already be possible to refer to a certain official decision of an official body of the european union, but if we talk now, which countries could be called, or which regimes could be called dictatorial, because i mentioned the north regarding korea, about iran, well, russia, we are waiting for a decision about putin , but about china, i didn’t say, because i don’t know, honestly, i don’t know, i would like to ask you, look, the truth is that it is much easier to list

. 2.0, to take into account the not so internal state, uh, of some country, like tendency to external aggression, because a dictatorial country that does not encroach on its neighbors, whose dictator is not, is fighting for world domination, and there are even such dictators , well, at least there was one, who really sincerely cared about the development of the population under his control, relatively recently, then we will understand that such dictatorships... well, this is the evil that has to be put up with, and moreover, the attempt to democratize the violent

of all dictatorships, on earth, usually leads to other arguments, to and completely different results, no matter what arguments or good intentions we come up with, that's why this axis of evil, 2:00, it, and in principle, it was actually voiced by the americans, it seems that the state department has an official list, but we will still watch more on real things, the main hegemon of the authoritarian world, nowadays, in the modern world is, of course, china, until relatively recently, there was, well, a soft dictatorship, regular change was expected, no more than 10 years of rotation of the top management, but already then. .. and china did not show itself from the best side in relation to

let's say, to national minorities, traditionally to tibet, in recent years the repression against the uyghurs in xinjiang has intensified , but relatively recently, breaking the almost 50-year-old principle of rotation, the new head of the people's republic of china, xijin ping, left, for the third term, which means the final china's transition from a soft to a hard internal dictatorship, and a hard internal dictatorship, which does not involve rotation, which does not involve an internal position, usually ends with an increase in tensions on the external direction, well, because that's how it's arranged, and besides, in recent years, china has introduced some extremely serious restrictions inside the country, the so-called social

rating, something more reminiscent of the totalitarian dystopias that were spread in the west, so china can definitely be called a dictatorship , and there are fears that sooner or later china will resort to open external aggression. obviously, this axis of evil includes both iran and north korea, e. there were several african countries on the dershdepa list, some of them have already dropped out, and part remains, for example, you can include in this list, north sudan, of course, and now, whether we like it or not, russia and belarus have joined this axis of evil, and now they form such a large eurasian arc from the borders of europe, until

well, i don't even know, until noon, until noon, quiet. and because of this axis of evil, the problems around the world have obviously intensified , dictatorships, these dictatorships are looking for support from each other, and unfortunately, as we see, for various reasons, they find this support from each other. i'm joining the conversation now and ihor chelenka, a political and economic expert. mr. igor, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, but mr. serhiy and i will only speak until the 30th minute, so i will give you the opportunity to answer one more question now, and we, mr. igor, will start already from the 30th, we will talk there until two o'clock, well, but in any case , now i will give you the opportunity to make a reply, i just want to ask mr. serhii one more question, you know, this is a logical question, well , it is clear that democracy - these are also rules certain, but a person must develop, and

democracy is what builds supposedly the whole society, the harmonious development of society, it gives certain fruits and results, dictatorship is completely different. approach, there is central management, there is a rigid vertical, everything is clear, and the people are basically there there is no development of the strong, science, personality, everything else, everything, everything is somehow centralized, what, if we talk about this war, how it started putin, but i think, from the submission of many of his partners, simply ukraine has become a point, the point of applying force at that stage in the 22nd year, and what do these dictatorships want , they understand that economically they will not be able to overcome the countries of the west, because they will not be able to ... such economic and technological development, so let's just overwhelm them now like this , well, why do you live , democracies live, everyone somehow coexists, why start this clarification of relations, which is the goal, banal money, banal economy, no, the goal of any dictatorship is the preservation of itself, and a certain time, i will not talk here now

about iran or about china, because these are separate cases, but there is no doubt about russia. putin's government is extremely, strongly tied to people's expectations regarding, let's say, if not greatness, then at least a worthy place for russia in the foreign policy arena, and relatively full shelves in stores, russian society, having survived the 90s, willingly supports , internal anti-liberalism in exchange for... handouts from the bar table, and early putinism from 1999 to 2008, and then, all the more so, this interregnum, medvedev himself, willingly gave it to the russians, took it away they have political rights, they gave a little more money, most of the russians who saw the world,

well, at least, at least thailand, they saw it during this period, not earlier. no later, and perhaps, perhaps, this laid down a certain kind of, well, no, not a consensus, but , let’s say, there is, there was, there was such a mutual understanding between the population, the elites and putin regarding how it should be in the future, but for late putinism, as we know, this, this flow of petro-dollars seriously dried up, russia began to gradually creep into an economic crisis, in russia... there were serious negative changes on its borders , well, at least that's how the russians imagined, above all, i'm talking about the ukrainian revolution of dignity, and in these conditions, putin decided to solve the issue of the survival of the regime in a very simple , as it seemed to him, an amazingly effective way , through external aggression, the great problem

of the great recession of 2008 in russia was overcome...' at the expense of the five-day war against georgia, it turned out to be very, very effective for russian society and almost without any the consequences for russia as a state, the problems with the swamp area, the problems with the ukrainian revolution of dignity, managed to be overcome due to the annexation of crimea and the war in donbas, then the invasion of syria, and when in the 20th year putin again faced the big problem of losing legitimacy, economic losses, and demographic, due to the pandemic, due to unsuccessful transit, well, they decided that the attack on ukraine is finally for...' ukraine, it will be just an ideal solution to all the problems that russia has accumulated, especially since the experience , let's say there in the eighth, 14th year he pushed them to this opinion. i will not repeat once again

that it works for all authoritarian countries, but russia definitely wanted to solve its internal problems with the help of war, war. as we know, this did not happen, and moreover, now russia's problems have become absolutely incurable. but putin cannot end the war. doesn't want to, and how serious is the influence of those states that would also like to have their own benefit from russia's victory, a benefit and more, a strong position in negotiations with the west, or now no one expects anything from russia, there is a conditional china, i'm not talking about iran now, because the customs doesn't wait, whatever ends, that's the end, they will continue to conduct their affairs, trade with the european union, trade with the united states of america, solve the issue there, in the chinese way. the sea or somewhere with taiwan, well, it will have its own history, which they had, that’s what, they still want to make a nuclear submarine, well , they will make their own lives, and what will happen to putin, no one is interested, whether it is now

some kind of hook that keeps this putin in it in the sense of how to proceed in ukraine, as for china as a senior partner in this axis of evil, and much stronger and wealthier, it is obvious that china cannot afford to rely on russia 100%, let alone let it float freely and let it all burn with blue fire, it would be ideal for china if russia won very quickly , for china a complete defeat and even more so the collapse of russia is extremely unacceptable, but the defeat of russia and the current confrontation is long, too, china is by no means smiling, that is why china does not open a direct lendlis for russia, as is opened, let's say, the united states there and is forced to negotiate directly with iran, with north korea with china's permission, but china will not take a direct part in that, as for the rest of the authoritarian

countries, then there have their own expectations, there are their own, there are their own geshefts in this war, especially with regard to iran, but to say that they somehow determine the domestic politics in russia, i would not, in fact, the fact that the war does not end, this is the problem of one and only putin's man. if putin was not afraid of what admitting defeat and the retreat of russian troops will not lead to the loss of power, and even more so in life, as it happened to gaddafi or saddam hussein, he could retreat, but he fears for his life and therefore will continue this war as long as he can. thank you, mr. serhiy, serhii grumenko, an expert of the ukrainian institute of the future, and with mr. igor in the next part of our program, with igor chelenka, we will talk about, as a matter of fact, whether there are risks for democracy to lose to dictatorships and whether it is possible for democracy to

it is necessary to become, well, less democratic in order to adequately oppose, well, let me just have a minute, before we go on a break, it won't take long, mr. igor, i will make a seed like this, is there a risk of democracy in the ideal, in its ideal form, to be weaker during the war, brutal, which today is imposed by the dictatorship, the risk of losing to the dictator. democracy, at its core , is competition, including competition, according to authoritarian, totalitarian regimes, and today we have to talk about the competition of democracy and autocracy, which includes various regimes, today, and the most important issue here is that democracy does not turn into a simulator of itself, because we see that just authoritarian, totalitarian regimes, they constantly use democratic tools to bring authoritarian leaders to power, we see that and in the russian federation, we see it in hungary, we see it in different parts of the world, and by the same token, we do, well, we actually

see that democracy is being tried to be discredited, although again, we must understand that democracy, including this and control, control over those procedures, over the legislation, over the access of many parties, and the possibilities, respectively: the activities of freedom of speech, this is a series, this is a huge range of issues that in totalitarian states, despite the fact that they are formally, are not formally totalitarian , but the rights of citizens are being narrowed, and in this way we are now seeing disappointment, polarization of the whole world, because democracies today stand as guardians of the current system of world order, and autocracies, today they see their way to development in revanchism, and this is the main essence of the global conflict, which is now gradually, as we see, increasing its degree. we

will return to the conversation and continue ours. a discussion on whether democracy can defeat a dictatorship during a brutal confrontation, during an actual war, and the methods of this struggle, what is in the arsenal of democracy, what is in the arsenal of a dictatorship, we will talk about this with igor chilenka, literally in a few minutes, the pause is not long now, stay with us, the roof: a project about the feeling of home, about our roots, about identity, it was a child who built, behind us , my great-great-grandparents, a house, about what the old ukraine carries. good architecture is not necessarily made with the participation of an architect, churches, mills, huts, mazankas, it depends on us whether these buildings will slowly fade into oblivion. the wooden church is a phenomenon, indeed, it is still alive here in the ukrainian village, will we still preserve our past? there is legislation, only it does not work, we have democracy where people

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