i will go from the opposite, from the opposite, this is the best way of proof. in may of last year, while in the war zone, we dreamed of hymers, in june they appeared. in august of last year, when we were again in the combat zone in the bakhmut area, there were very serious heavy missile strikes, we thought to ourselves, what could change the parity of missile strikes in the near zone, we thought about aireski, well, we understood that the front line was not will come, but they really wanted her, literally by some miracle of god, they appeared in august, and in october... last of the year, personally i personally thought it was fantastic to get mim4 patriots before the new year, we got them, and last year, this year, sorry, we spent five weeks breaking spears around leopard 2, challenger and even abramson, they work, exactly it will be the same with the f-16s, they will work like this even when we take it very strongly, mr. peter, we hope that this is how it will work, because it is what we need: petro chernyk,

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so today, a new meeting is taking place in brussels, the 16th in a row, a meeting in the ramshtein format , and it is about the defense of ukraine, about support, in particular military and armaments, and there is also a meeting of the ukraine nato council, today at 5 p.m. kyiv time has to start, ramstein starts at 11 a.m. outside kyiv, and in a moment, before the start, we will ask about the prospects, about the atmosphere in brussels from our yuri fizer, the international columnist of espresso, euro, we welcome you, we want to hear about this and what the atmosphere is like, what a mood, on the sidelines we are already hearing about something good for us, something possible that we didn't count on, and this can be some good

bonus, congratulations oxano, congratulations roman, you know, bonjour. first from brussels, it's a warm, very sunny morning here, i really hope that after today's the meeting will have such sunny mornings in ukraine as well, but about the sidelines, just yesterday i spoke with a nato representative , who said that the meeting would be very productive, it was yesterday, i also asked him for whom, he says, well, for all journalists, i i say okay, for ukraine, it will be a productive meeting, he says, yes , it will be productive for ukraine, and the fact that it will be a really productive meeting is the arrival of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, so that literally half an hour before the press conference, we only knew what had to happen secretary general of nato, jens stoltenberg, found out literally half an hour before the start that volodymyr zelenskyi would also be there. during this approach to journalists, volodymyr zelenskyy himself said that it was an almost last-minute decision to come here, and

his coming just in time indicates that something very important and productive should be decided at this meeting, how about you, oksana said, first. literally in half an hour, even less, there will be a meeting of the contact group in the ramstein format, we saw an hour ago how the secretary of defense of the united states of america, lloyd austin, and at the press conference itself, there were still questions to the secretary general of nato jenes stolteng and the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky, about what to expect in the end from this meeting, whether they will give us, well, we are all interested, will they give us planes, the answer about the planes was that, uncertain, the secretary general said that first of all we need to focus on helping ukraine to protect its own people. obviously, he was talking about anti-aircraft defense and about artillery, which nato is a little short of now, and they want to increase

the production of these weapons, but volodymyr zelenskyi , the president of ukraine, also said that another priority is to help ukraine rebuild after the end of the war in order to... worked, and as i have already said, literally in 20-25 minutes the ramstein-style meeting will begin, the secretary of defense of the united states of america will hold a press conference before the start of this meeting, again there will probably be questions about whether ukraine will be given planes, and there will be some, there will be such an answer, probably that ukraine needs more air defense equipment, but so that you understand, today in the program, there is a signing already in the evening, there is a signing of two agreements: one agreement concerns the security of the european sky, and the second agreement concerns the nato flight training program , i.e. prepares to train pilots, i really hope that it will concern ukrainian

pilots and ukrainian pilots who will fly on western fighter jets, american, british, swedish, of the french and who might give us something like that today, as oksano, you already said, there will be another very important event in the afternoon, this is the meeting of the ukraine-nato council, so you understand, before it was just a commission. ukraine is nato, now it has been promoted, that is, the decisions that will be adopted at this council are already much more serious decisions, the atmosphere here is incredible, ministers continue to meet, come up and everyone says that ukraine needs and will support until those as many times as needed, for example, a minister defense of the netherlands kaisa longronen, when she approached the journalists, when she was asked about the fact that now another war has started in israel, whether it is possible to compare this war with the war in ukraine and whether

nato will treat these two wars with the same, the same she said that yes, it is very important, it is very difficult, and there will also be a lot of talk about this war in israel today, but above all, today they will talk about helping ukraine. we will work until the evening. has a lot there will be various meetings, there are a lot of approaches to the press, i will be included every time in order to inform you colleagues about the most important things , well, personally, i really want to wait until in the evening, well, at least, tomorrow morning, we heard such very important news for us about what airplanes give us, colleagues, you have the word, thank you, yura, i hope that your smile will be repeated tomorrow: exactly with the same information, yuri fizer, the international columnist of espresso from brussels, where in a few minutes

the 16th meeting of the ramstein contact group will literally begin regarding assistance ukraine, well, we will be in touch and appreciate his optimism and conversation, we just asked pavel chernyk like this, because these promises that we are in the 25th year of h2 f16 damota, it is beautiful, it sounds nice from belgium, from denmark, well, we are just in order to fall in love with this beauty, we just need to carefully look at the side of the aircraft carrier, there are f16, f18, f35, we need all this the day before yesterday, by the way, in this, we are watching such events, and we have to react to one more piece of news this morning: the security service of ukraine. installed here you remember, we said that it was impossible for iskander, and especially with such an expensive

missile, to hit the cafe in which a fifth of the village had gathered for the wake and reburial of the hero who died in this war, and the sbu established who was the correct adjuster and aimed this rocket , so that there were 5 two dead at once, these are two brothers, local residents, 30-year-old volodya mamon and his younger brother, 23-year-old dima mamon. dimon and volodya very actively cooperated with the russian occupiers, together with them, they escaped when the operation to liberate the kharkiv region took place, but continued to collect information from the locals, keep in touch and immediately merge it with their curator, so at least these two correctors who gave the exact

coordinates, and accordingly, this it was no accident that iskanderr got hit, precisely by his own, let's say, fellow villagers. yes, moreover, those people who communicated with the brothers, they probably had no idea what it was about, and in fact the brothers knew very well that they would also suffer, they would also suffer, that they will die, there is unfortunately updated information that the number of victims has increased to 55, because two more women who were considered missing, dna examination confirmed that they are actually among the dead, there are their remains, the tragedy of the village of grozy was found will be no less significant than, for example, and six children remained orphans, and five semi-orphans were buried there by whole families, just that and these two gunners. well, i don't know, in this case , i mention again that, in my opinion, waiting for some kind of tribunal will not work here, and these charming

the guys who were in israel are gone, but all the resources for the destruction of enemies and such must be used, well, in and in our history, iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, is now in touch with our studio, mrs. iryna, welcome congratulations, glory to ukraine. herem glory, i heard your discussion now, you know, but after the release. kharkiv oblast, residents of the kupyanskyi district addressed us and told us about the facts of co-opparatism, some of their fellow villagers during the occupation, in particular , unfortunately, it was about certain teachers and etc., and we directed these requests to the security service of ukraine. it seems to me that now the issue of national security in general for us is very serious counter-intelligence work, especially in the de-occupied territories, in order to avoid such terrible tragedies, well , it is terrible when fellow villagers simply killed

those responsible for the murder of 55 people from the small village of groza. i... think that this is also a very important lesson for our service, the security of ukraine, which has recently begun to work seriously there with the ephesus church and with others collaborators, it should be strengthened. mrs. irina, i want to hear your opinion, as well as a lawmaker in an absolutely catastrophic situation, we discussed it, this idiot is completely out of his head... he has already been cut by memes, cartoons have already depicted him as some kind of secret front office of the fsb destroys other state structures with state hands in order to undermine state security, and how do i now decipher this formula in an idiotic situation when the state audit service actually, the defense industry, the defense complex puts

on the shoulder blades, and this is the next story, she is now again with the same state enterprise, the instructor bureau of luch, there is a letter about shmygal, there is some public reaction, the military is generally dumbfounded when they hear this, and accordingly, what is next, why was it not meeting of the national security council, why the prosecutor general's office is not working, where the security service of ukraine with certain elements of the so-called dasu is working, whether they are not fulfilling external orders to blow up the defense plant, we do not see all this and cannot understand why. the situation is really trashy, sorry for such a word, because indeed, the service of this head of the state audit service is appointed by the government, and unfortunately, the government, with its, well, unprofessional actions , issued two mutually exclusive resolutions last year, one allowing profit for companies in the defense industry, which supply their products

to the ministry of defense, and therefore the armed forces, and the other the same resolution considers such profits , even if we are talking about 1%, which goes to you for new, new production, considered losses for the state, and here the state audit service clings to the second resolution and considers everything losses, we in the parliament have already held a special meeting of the working group on military issues on this, we adopted a resolution, by the way, we are co-authors of it, regarding the need to normalize the work of the defense complex and appeal to the prime minister to resolve this situation... her government wound up, and we asked this question during the last hour of questions to the government, when shmyhal appeared in the parliament for the first time in two years, to report, the situation is deadlocked, unfortunately, such a story is not only with the design bureau, it is better, you understood,

we are talking about about 30 enterprises, when the state audit service, according to these two regulations, comes and says, and you dared to bet the profit on one percent there, and this is a loss for the state, even though we are talking about state enterprises, in fact it is a transfer money in the state budget from one, let's say so, pockets to others , but they remain in the state circulation, and it is obvious that this is the full responsibility of the government, it seems to me that the unprofessional actions of the government and the state audit service today, they are, indeed rightly said, no longer similar to an audit, to some kind of damage that blocks work. of our defense complex, especially when it comes to luch, we remember that this is stuna, that this is neptune, these are the missiles today that have shown their uniqueness and they are destroying the enemy, today the service is destroying enterprises, we wrote from european solidarity now a request to the government with the demand to stop everything, ms. iryna,

i want to move on to another topic, oleksandr mereshko, head of the parliamentary committee on international policy issues of cooperation, having learned that two ukrainian women died in israel as a result of shelling launched by hamas, expressed the opinion that it is necessary to recognize hamas as a terrorist organization, unfortunately, we have not two people in ukraine, but tens and possibly more than thousands people have died since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, and besides, the war in donbas lasted for almost nine years, the captured crimea was temporarily occupied, maybe it was time for some kind of recognition. give such titles in quotation marks to other organizations that are more harmful to us, the wagnerites, in particular?

thank you for the question, you know this is your question, it stems from the fact that the work of the parliament is now closed, that there are no journalists there, and even in the marathon, even on the rada channel, they do not talk about the parliament, in fact, it was our faction that initiated it back in 2021 during this of a high-profile case in wagnerivtsi, the decision to recognize the wagner group as a terrorist organization. and last year the parliament finally voted it, this is very important, that is, at the level of ukraine there is a resolution that recognizes the wagnerites as a terrorist organization, and by the way we then i managed to cite this resolution, let's say, at our international platforms, assemblies, where we call on other countries to make the same decisions, by the way, right after my inclusion on the channel, dear espresso, we will have a meeting of the committee on foreign affairs, where among other things, we will also discuss the issue of recognizing hamas , a terrorist organization, and our colleague , oleksiy honcharenko, has already registered

a resolution accordingly, mrs. iryna, i wanted to ask you about a rather sensitive topic, but the day before we learned that there is a decision of the european court of human rights, and general ihor pavlovsky won the case, actually against the state of ukraine, we talked about it when it started: these attempts to repress the defenders and completely turn a blind eye to any collaborators of vatu and other things of this decision on general pavlovsky, we cannot help but pay attention to the fact that they dragged it out, closed it, in general , they are conducting this whole chervinsky case stupidly, and, well , here i want to understand whether this repressive machine of some office workers can finally, i do not know whom to appeal to who sat in those offices and manages these attacks against chervinskyi and

steers closed processes, maybe pavlovskyi's case will finally force a review of the repressive actions against chervinskyi, and you are right because you are linking this unfair justice, politically motivated cases, let me remind you that since the 19th year , several politically motivated cases have been introduced against the ukrainian military, including combat generals, let's remember the case of general marchenko, the legendary marcel, who essentially saved odessa, mykolaiv from capture by the occupiers, the russian nazis, a case was opened against him for supposedly poor-quality pronezhelets, they arrested 16,000 pronezhelets , which rotted and ukraine found itself facing a full-scale invasion without body armor, now marchenko has been changed to a protective... measure, he is fighting, but the case has not been closed, recently they gave bail poroshenko, who paid it together with the people who collected for this deposit in order to

, well, we sent these funds to the armed forces of ukraine, the same story with general pavlovsky, he was detained for the fact that he used the equipment, of the ukrainian navy to supply military boats, by the way, such boats of this plan took part, for example, in the operation to free the snake, but it continues, and the state of ukraine will be forced to pay 2,600 € for the fact that the general was wrongly kept in sizo, by the way, there there was already the head of the plant, well, the director of the plant that produced these boats, imagine that the case against tanya chornovol is still ongoing, tanya is at the front, she is the only woman who leads the stugne platoon, there is a criminal case against her, that she allegedly set the fire office of the party of regions, the case is ongoing against oleksandr pogrebyskyi, sorry, he was wounded at the front line, but he is accused of pouring zelenka on the traitor goloshyn, the case against

marusa zviraby, who was wounded under a pincer, is ongoing, and in chervinsky’s way, it’s a shame in general, because when pash mercedes , as you rightly say, others, just characters are sent home to sit there comfortably, i apologize that we have to interrupt you, thank you for the conversation, we understand your position, people's deputy of ukraine iryna. gerashchenko was with us, now we are going for a short break, then the news and we're back. glaufix is ​​a partner of the healthy look project. glaufix - protection and maintenance of your eyesight. sensation of impaired vision, discomfort in the eyes, sensitivity. to bright light, these are possible harbingers of cataracts and glaucoma, and the solution is glaufix to protect and maintain

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sharp vision forever. it's 11 o'clock on the clock, it's time to find out what 's happening in ukraine and the world at this time, khrystyna porubiy is working in the studio. we await the opening statement. us defense secretary loydan at the opening of the 16th meeting in the ramstein format in brussels, and for now let's start with this one. the traitors who adjusted the russian iskander to the village of groza in the kharkiv region have been found and will be found, the security service of ukraine has revealed. these are two local residents: 30-year-old volodymyr mamon and his younger brother, 23-year-old dmytro. during the occupation of the region, they went over to the side of the enemy, and before the liberation of kharkiv oblast, they fled

to russia. there remotely under the guise of friendly