[000:00:00;00] this bridge, let it be done by those people who will take it, yes , who have made an effort, it will be fair, good, and then what is the strategic, possible significance, now avdiyivka fulfills for both sides, i want to ask, of course, that this is ukrainian territory , and the main thing for the ukrainian army is the defense of the city and not allowing it to be captured, but nevertheless, if we consider the pessimistic and the optimistic. scenario, if the russian army is able to capture avdiivka, what will happen then, or if, on the contrary, the ukrainian army is driven away from avdiivka, like the russian troops, how can it change then the situation, well, look, avdiivka and donetsk, it’s practical, it’s the outskirts of donetsk, avdiivka, let’s put it this way, for us today it’s strategic, let’s say, it’s important as far as it goes, but it’s our city and for

us every meter of land is important . and when they take avdiivka, let's say so, well, god forbid, if this happens, they will be closer to our ukrainian cities, that is, they will be able to deliver different types of impressions there , such cities as pokrovsk, for example there selidov and so on, that's plus roads, communications, that is, this is for us , well, it's very important, and well, they don't have a chance to do it, although... they are straining very hard and want to do it, but avdiivka, despite such a large number attack, it stands, it is ukrainian and under our control, and what can you say about the advance of russian troops, i am again relying on the maps of the deeppstate military operations, they write and estimate the approximate advance of russian troops in 2 km, well, and also the american institute

the study of war speaks of advancement in steppe and northern villages, these are six 8 km from the city, pro-russian pro-war publics write, they say the heights are ours, if you translate from such military language into ordinary human language, what does this mean, how serious are their advances, so these advances are the same as in ours were during the entire time of our arrival, let's say, in the donetsk direction, as long as our brigade is here, there were such oppositional, tactical operations all the time, then we will take their position, then they will take ours, oh, that's great knowledge. they don't have, yes, it's bad that it happened, but this, this is not yet a success, this is not yet a victory, therefore, we must not, do not delay, and in general, i would recommend everyone on the air not to talk too much about what is happening on the battlefield, because they are watching our broadcasts, they watch our youtube, and that's the first information they get from youtube, rather than from their commanders, they have very poor communication between

lans of different levels, that's why it's better to do the job, and then we 'll talk about it in more detail, how much, how, in what way, how we achieved this or that success. thank you very much for taking the time to joined our broadcast, serhiy tsehotskyi, an officer of the 59th separate motorized infantry brigade named after yakov handyuk, was on radio svoboda. thank you very much. well, then about... american aid to ukraine against the background of the war in israel. the british business newspaper financial times writes that the slowdown of american aid to ukraine, connected with the position of a part of the republican party, may hinder the counteroffensive of the armed forces. referring to informed sources and military experts. the publication states that even a temporary pause in support can be canceled after a few weeks ukrainian military strategy and tactics, which in turn threatens to weaken the pressure on

russian forces and supplies. them opportunities to restore their fighting capacity. the newspaper explains that this mainly concerns the supply of artillery ammunition and anti-aircraft weapons, well , according to the publication's estimates, ukraine spends about 6-70 artillery shells per day. if aid is interrupted, even for a few weeks, it could lead to losses and rollbacks, experts from the carnegie foundation, quoted by the financial times, are confident. the publication reminds that the stockpile of us artillery shells was running low, forcing washington to allow supplies. ukraine of cluster munitions, the us hopes to increase the production of, for example, 155 rounds from the current 2,800 per month to 60,000 by next year. and a similar situation with pppo means, which will undergo a severe test this winter if russia, as expected, strikes again massive strikes on ukrainian critical infrastructure. for now, the us can fund aid to ukraine, as

the pentagon still has about $5 appeared in his reserve due to a reassessment of the value of the already provided american aid, and here the newspaper quotes the american general, charles brown, according to whom washington has already planned military supplies to ukraine at least until january 1, 2024 , but if we talk about the future long-term support, then obviously only congress can make the appropriate decision, and against all this background, the war in israel. the war between israel and hamas may also prove to be a double- edged sword for kyiv. ukraine and israel can compete for certain types of us support, including artillery ammunition and anti-aircraft interceptor missiles. on the other hand, white house officials and congressional leaders are considering combining aid to israel and ukraine into a single funding request, which could potentially pave the way for expanded aid to kyiv. well, the woll street journal reported earlier that members

of the us congress, who support kyiv in both houses of parliament, intend to approve a large aid package for ukraine in the amount of 50 to 100 billion dollars. we talked about it yesterday and the day before yesterday, and this package can be put to a vote. between october 16, when congress will return to plenary sessions, and november 17, it is until this date that the emergency funding of the us government, which was approved in order not to avoid a shutdown, is calculated, and now we will talk about it in more detail, pavlo klimkin is next to me, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, 14-1 years old, good evening, congratulations, ladies, in fact, i congratulate everyone, friends, i will quote the financial times newspaper again, they write, the war between israel and hamas can also manifest. for kyiv with a stick from both ends, and could you explain to us in more detail what that means? i would rather use, like

a double-edged saber or sword, uh, i don't really see yet where we are with israel as rivals, fundamentally, in the coming weeks and weeks and weeks, but we don't know how much this... conflict over gas will continue, i see a possible problem today, i emphasize a possible problem with high-precision projectiles, search and so on, the israelis don't need just 155 mm, they don't need an infinite number like we have, we have absolutely another meaning of war, they need high-precision projectiles, of course they are more expensive, they are produced. and here, at some point, the issue of balance may arise, for all other elements of ammunition, i am like that, i don’t want to say competition, but in fact i don’t

see a competition, since they use other planes, 16-35, apaches, we will also have them in 16 someday, then we will talk about this story, but the americans for now really, and you recognized it...' are increasing production not as radically as we would like, we see certain signs from the europeans, it is difficult there politically, they don't want to demonstrate that they are transferring all of this to military lines, financial incentives have started to be made, and as for me , in fact, you know, as a landowner, what is happening around gas can even help us, politely. only now the strategists who are sitting in washington and not only in washington , they understand that for them there is a situation where vitally important actions and vitally important

conflicts, or wars are happening on different platforms and fronts at the same time, and they have to help their allies at the same time, theoretically, something could also happen in asia, we know that everyone... there will be elections in taiwan, it will be a difficult point, a point of no return in many respects for the chinese leadership, so the americans should speed up production, should speed up including high-precision, high-precision projectiles, as for air defense, you mentioned this publication, i read it too, i still do not see from my contacts that we have fundamental problems in air defense, these are different air defense systems for different purposes, so you don’t need all in one in such basket, that is, we have certain moments that present us with problems, we also see that if the conflict around gaza drags on for several months, it can create

problems for us, but for the next months, and this is anecdotal, we can smile, this is the case , when the americans miscalculated, and thank god, since we have almost 6 billion 5.6 left, which make us this cool pillow for no, well, at least there for about six weeks, and now, after all , i understand that the republicans chose at least one speaker candidate, this is steve scalise, there are intense consultations, i just talked to a couple of my friends yesterday, but everything looks more or less good, well, i can't predict what is happening in congress when, when i said that, or rather you refuted this thesis about competition, here it is probably not about weapons, as is the case with ukraine and israel. the same weapons, we are talking about money, they will go from

the same basket, no, by money, there, there everything more or less, in fact, this is how the israelis are obtained, and not only, by the way, from americans, now the germans are seriously considering the possibility of supplying weapons to israel, but it is also a different weapon, not the one that we directly need, of course we are competitors in certain moments, but it is not a global competition, either, or, you understand my point, that is not either ukraine or israel, it can be quite effective so far, money is really a question, but congress can calmly decide whether it is worth combining the packages of ukraine and israel, as is currently being discussed there in washington, here i am not sure by the way , let them determine the political one themselves procedure, combine everything into one package. it can be a plus for us, it can actually be for us, and

somewhat a minus. let them determine how, most importantly, and this is a very important story now , so that we get funding and be sure , around the time of the presidential election, that so that this whole campaign does not require, remember how they wanted, 6 billion for the first quarter, and then we will vote on something again, and then we will vote on something again, this is a really bad story, if they combine the whole package for us , it is great, let them combine, vote, it is about these from 50 to 100 billion, about which, let's not speculate, i know there are different numbers , they call it, well, but this is a serious package and it will definitely be more than 24, as i understand it, they can still break it down directly into the military and financial, that is, they are thinking about how it will look, and you know, we had professor and researcher maryana on the air yesterday. budgerin from the united states joined in and she said

the following thesis: this is this, this is this thesis: we will be with ukraine as long as necessary, the one that we very often hear from american politicians, that it seems to annoy even the americans themselves, because they also want to understand as much as it is necessary and how much, and this, as you said, again burns at both ends, on the one hand it is cool, because it gets, and this mantra, well, this does not mean that we will be with you as you need, as much as you need, you can, i'm sorry, and pull the cat by the tail, so far i don't see it, but at some point the politics in the world change anyway , and if there is help, but we give so much, we don't give here, but there it will be, there it won't be, well, let's face it, a bad story and the financial times article that you quoted is not a bad article, so far we are doing well, but... as for the perspective, it also affects

the general strategy, on the other hand, the trend, which i really don't like among republicans, and it's not only trumpists, some radicals, it's people who really support ukraine, they say, pavlo, you understand, we go to, to the americans, to our voters, and we have to answer, and why isn't a wall being built on the mexican border, there is a flow of drugs there, crime, you know that 100,000 people a year in the 18 to 45 category alone in all the states die from fintanil, which is going to the pot, well, think about that number, that is, if you're a farmer in texas, i certainly don't i wish and wish you success in the journalistic profession, but if you are a farmer in texas, of course you have sympathy for ukraine and of course you don't like putin, but you

have a wall, a wall, that is, give me a wall, and of course ukraine, and among republicans, this idea arises, and let's talk about strategy, we give you so much, and you win for us until such and such a moment, and we determine this victory, and this is a very dangerous story, since we cannot predict war with you, it is not happening according to the schedule, especially since russia, we only what have you heard, she is also studying badly, they are also trying to promote their military industry, and putin is keeping it. everybody's locked in there, and that means, well, if you don't do it , we're going to see again, how much help do you need, that's actually a very bad story, and we have a very creative right now, to discuss this strategy with the americans, they will still talk about it, and

not only the republicans, by the way, the impact of the events in israel, it is not only on the republicans, do not forget, among the democrats as well ... the leftists, who very often say, yes, yes, israel, the tragedy, the victims, but the palestinians, who are insulted by israel there, and do you remember, last year, the left wing of the democrats also wrote a letter that, well, maybe we won't give weapons to ukraine, maybe we are there let's start negotiations, somehow there, we'll almost become friends, and in this, by the way, there is also a certain risk, i always say that there really are radicals among the republicans, they are complex, there are not so many of them, there are actually 20 or so people, well, someone counts 24, someone counts 26, but the same group is among the democrats, now the presidential campaign is starting, there is discipline, biden is holding them, well, at some point they will stand up and say

something like that, that is, we have a problem among both republicans and democrats, they do not mean that everything is lost. but these are certain risks, we must be aware of these risks, i after all, i will return to the war in israel, because all this is happening against the background of this war, someone draws parallels, listen, well , volodymyr zelensky is already traveling around the world, in europe and says that hamas and russia are one and the same , i'm not sure that the west and the us see it as the same thing, but let's talk now, austin, lloyd austin, the secretary of defense, today said the us did not accept israel's conditions for the use of american weapons, you know, it resonates a little , compared to those messages that ukraine hears? unfortunately, the americans are trying, albeit in a friendly way, to put it on our heads that ukraine is yes, and russia is not, although this is against international

law, which the americans must also support, according to the un charter, we have the right to self-defense. and this right to self-defense is by no means limited to the territory of ukraine. i can tell you that there is no document, or at least i don't know about it, i would probably know, but in international law, which would limit our right. in israel, the situation, of course, is different. well, returning to israel, i think that when volodymyr zelenskyy says that it is the same thing. he certainly does not equate hamaas and putin. i believe that today's russia is definitely more evil. there are fanatics, there are religious fanatics, and here there is conscious, conscious evil, evil will, as an ideology, as a system of russian peace.

but volodymyr zelenskyi, i think he means that we are there and there terrorism is becoming one of the main means, as hamas uses terrorist. means, and russia, of course, on a completely different level, with a completely different dimension, but in this sense it is unequivocally true, that is, now both countries and individual, i don’t know what to call hamas, it is not an organization in the classical sense, but none the less, and we knew, by the way, how hamas was created , it was created by the muslim brothers, and one of the versions, by the way, i hear from my israeli friends, that at some point israel even helped to create, why, because it wanted to balance the organization of the liberation of palestine, and now, in a sense

, something that you build , as a counterweight, it is to you come back, like with the americans, the taliban, well, the americans literally did not help them, of course, but did not hinder them at a certain stage, they thought that this was also a counterweight to the soviet rule, afghanistan, so if you want a lesson from what is happening, and i i say this with great respect for the israelis, of course, that when you do something, count on a generation, or two generations ahead, and in these counterweights, they can then hit you with very, very pendulums, but the essence of hamas, of course, is it is now terrorist the essence of this is that the president is right, i have one more question in the context of the usa, israel and then ukraine. yesterday i spoke with volodymyr dubovyk, he is a well-known international expert, yes, a teacher at odessa university, and he said the following thesis, now, if i find it, i will quote it: israel is a sacred cow for america and for two parties in particular. and what

explains this, and i don’t think so, i will tell you more, today i see only two fundamental foreign policy issues, around which, in principle, what remains we like to call a bipartisan consensus, and it's us and china. and the fact that there are discussions among republicans and democrats about how much aid and how to approve it does not invalidate the consensus, according to my impressions and calculations, 75% of the senate and congress are clearly on our side, that is, there is a consensus, of course, there are all these waves , who are now walking around the congress, they, unfortunately, are interfering with us, in china, by the way. there is also a consensus in general, there are exceptions, differences, tactics, just like us, but strategically everything is about israel, among

republicans and democrats, from the point of view of to approach, how to approach the settlements in the occupied territories, which israel does not believe that there is any bipartisan consensus in the states, but okay, on a lot of issues, remember when during the time of trump, his son-in-law. kushner, he has prepared a strategy that is fundamentally different from everything that the previous obama administration did, and by the way , biden, who as vice president was responsible for the external dimension in the administration, so i don't think that there is consensus, support for israel in general yes, it is a consensus, but in there is no consensus on how to support everything else, there is no consensus on how to support ukraine, there is a consensus on how much aid to allocate there, and

when we allocate it, unfortunately we have a problem here, so with regard to israel, no, no, everything is not there so simple things are not so clear-cut, well, going back to the war in israel, the arab world, well it is mostly, well, for example, like iran, it openly supports hamas, yes, other arab countries, it's all the same, well, it's the muslim world, do they otherwise sympathize palest. people, we saw that ukraine openly supports israel, listen, well, flags are hanging everywhere in places, at the same time, we know that ukraine is trying to convince the arab muslim world to take its side, they are preparing a peace summit that will take place, it seems, in turkey, could this be that ukraine supports israel, somehow well, to have some influence on support from the muslim world of ukraine, so what, it's a challenge, it's a challenge, because in... the muslim world, of course, there is sympathy for the palestinians. gaza, israel has not

been able to solve this problem, many call it an open-air highway. this is an area less than half of kyiv, 300 or so square meters, 360 and more than 2 million people. 2.3 million people they're you know there's a donkey worth more than $100 because israel. they do not miss, well, of course, technology, since this technology is used for terrorist purposes, on the one hand, i understand the israelis, on the other hand, at some point this problem must be solved, it is very, very , very difficult, it requires political will, it requires, if want emotion there in israel but there has to be some way forward as it explodes and we actually see it, explodes in such tragic and horrible ways, we, we, we've seen it all on video, in

photos, but in the islamic world and especially around, there, there's support, there's support, and even hamas, look at what hamas says, by the way, hamas is definitely not controlled by iran, unlike hizballah, hamas is such a difficult entity. and people say, yes, hamas, jews can live, but this territory is all ours, that is, some say, only the israeli state and no arab state, hamas says, only arab and no israeli, and it means two extremes, even talking about how to live together, two states, different options, there are none, it is actually the one who finds is at a distance of the universe. and at some point it really explodes, so now what is the priority of the americans, to prevent a fundamental

escalation, the aircraft carrier group, blink, went there. there, well, yesterday, look, this is, in my opinion , the first time in 30 years that the crown prince of saudi spoke to the leader of iran. in general, i am 30 years old i am engaged in international affairs, this is the first time i have heard that at such a level there, with the help of china, they established diplomatic relations, but diplomatic relations, well, that’s it, and here directly the contact of the leaders in the islamic world is all, if... the contact of the leaders, then they something is being talked about and in this story we can't go back to the status quo anymore, that's really the biggest problem, now everyone is saying, what will happen when israel starts a ground operation and enters the gas, actually the critical question is completely different, you

understand which, but how israel from this operation it turns out, israel once left gaza in 2000, then they agreed how, and still in israel they cannot fully understand, you can of course talk about bulldozers, hang gliders, we have heard it all, and the system on the perimeter of gaza, you know, that this is a system with millions of sensors, cameras, remote, you understand the complexity of the cyber attack, which was perfectly designed together with this i am actually trying in great detail with my israeli friends to understand how it was, i know a lot of people there, i was the co-chair of our bilateral commission, here i am as of now, i don't want to disperse terrorists, don't blame me, but as of today , i don't believe that this operation was designed exclusively

by hamas, someone helped them, who helped them, well, an american. they say, and they will continue to say, of course, because it is a political mantra that there were no iranians there, but someone was 100% helping hamas, the complexity of this operation, the complexity of planning, and it was planned for many months, if you want my opinion, more than a year, and , the western press is actually writing about it, and the question is not how to start, the question is how to get out of it, and so far... you, unfortunately, no one will answer this question, and this is the main risk for us , the further this all goes on, the more it will actually affect us, if it will be a couple of months, well, that's a problem, but if it will be for six months, that's a completely different story, and then we'll talk

in a different way, thank you very much for taking the time to come, i think this topic is definitely with us for a few more ... months, but we , unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately, and meanwhile, i just want to say, we also spoke with the ambassador, with the ambassador of israel in ukraine, mikhail brodsky, my colleague darya kudimova spoke with him, let's listen to him. you know that the operation of the israeli defense forces to destroy the terror infrastructure in the gas sector is ongoing after the terrible and tragic events that took place in israel in recent days. now this operation is ongoing, mainly from the air. israeli planes are bombing terrorist targets in the gas sector, but it is quite possible that a ground operation will begin in the near future, but the decision on this, on this, as far as i know, it has not yet been adopted, you are talking about the south of the country, and if to the north there is the border with lebanon and the risks of joining the hezbollah war, what is happening there now, yes, you are right, что есть риск of opening a second front

in the north of israel, israel is ready for the development of the situation, we hope that hezbollah and the regime of those countries that oppose israel, above all iran, will have the sense not to get involved in this war, because we talked about it openly through diplomatic channels, the price they will pay will be very very big what are the current forecasts of official jerusalem regarding the end of the war and what will it actually depend on? our leadership said that israel is ready for a protracted war, and the goal of this war is the elimination of hamas and the terror infrastructure in the gas sector. it is clear that it is impossible to do it in one day, so we are ready for a protracted war. , i