[000:00:00;00] if we simply summarize the process of updating the state sector of the defense-industrial complex, it is very relevant and remains so, and we must bring it quickly enough, let's say at the moment that satisfied our partners and was flexible enough for the state itself, because this potential is quite large, which so far is not fully used, regarding the creation of joint ventures for the state segment, the same issue has been discussed many times so that our state enterprises have the opportunity to create joint ventures with foreign companies, again the process of corporatization here rests on one of those key points, this is again the process of creating a corporation, joint stock companies, and it has to be moved from the point where it is now, it is happening, but slowly, it needs to be accelerated, and again, if we talk about regulatory regulation, it is definitely precisely the creation of joint ventures by ground partners, the creation of the most adaptive conditions for

investments, protection of these... investments, verification of control over these investments, so that they are aimed directly at the creation of new models of armed military equipment, that is, there are certain problems, and i see that they are moving, but again, it is desirable that the movements were much faster, but i listened to you carefully, i have such the question arose, we are talking about the mechanisms of the correct market economy, which our foreign partners are used to, and now we take our reality. hostilities, the need for armed forces and the feeling that, on the contrary, a rigid system of management in the format of a military economy is possible, which has not yet started in our country, could be more productive, these two realities , can they really be combined in ukraine, because one option is market, the other, let's say, rigid management, which is more effective in your opinion, where we are now

we have to make the main points, a difficult question, you know, but nevertheless, i'm more pro-market, i 'm more pro-market, because the market dictates, and the market definitely, and now we're at war, and definitely, look, the private sector, bright i will give you an example of some private sector enterprises which were engaged in one direction, now in these conditions they are engaged in a completely different direction and foreign partners first of all contact them , relatively speaking, there is the m113 armored personnel carrier, which the partners there handed over to us, there is a private sector that has already been destroyed in order to repair it. and already foreigners, the same americans agree to provide opportunities for development in this private sector, these private companies will continue to repair these american cars, and what do we say about the state segment, the state segment now for today the moment is more focused on the repair and restoration of that military equipment, and the ministry of defense has soviet-made equipment that was modernized during the time of ukraine, but what to say about foreign models, what to say about those models that are supplied to us by private companies,

here is another point, and yes, you have raised an important, relevant, relevant question about the need for a hard vertical, but a hard vertical in wartime is needed in order to regulate the rules of the game and the rules of the game in the market, and those rules of the game are followed as both the public and private segments, but the rigid vertical, okay, tomorrow we will make tanks for 50 tanks, everything goes ahead, everyone works, no one else cares, this is a completely different thing, it works in a different way in life, as they say, it seems to us that yes, the state knows that 50 tanks are needed. 100 anti-aircraft missiles, 100 artillery systems, artillery systems, 300 salvo missile systems, this is a state defense order, okay, let's go , let's work, this and that enterprise will perform, and why, maybe one of these enterprises will perform better than another enterprise, the main thing for the state is to create the conditions for this market to be regulated independently, the state should finally adopt a normal program for the development of armed military equipment so that everyone in ukraine and abroad understands that, okay, in

ukraine, even though it is okay, we we want, we want to fully use f16 aircraft in 5 years, well, we will ride on m-113s, who will repair which state defense order, from here the state must specifically and clearly say and control so that it is followed and carried out for several years ahead, no two or three years, much more years, because this is an important moment from the point of view of control, in the conditions of war, well, that is, in fact, we have to talk about the fact that despite the conditions of war, we have to introduce market mechanisms that will be understandable to europeans, if, if we are talking about the fact that we have to purchase 1,000 new bmps, then we should announce a tender, determine the price parameters of this tender, invite potential partners and then, under normal market tender conditions , start creating our new component of our defense industry for the production of bmps, yes it looks like if we don't, so just look, we'll just

get to it anyway. we will come to this anyway , we have identified ourselves with the western community, the western community works and acts according to its own rules, which are defined there, and sooner or later, we are very strong. we did not strive, we argued, but sooner or later we will be forced to borrow those mechanisms that exist there, and sooner or later we will play by these rules of the game, they are transparent enough, but we may not say, let's say there, an open tender, we can to close, to make this tender closed, but we just have to decide, okay guys, we have the rules of the game, we accept these rules of the game, we operate within the framework of these rules of the game, we will try to adhere to them, but look, we have a war, we will be stricter, more specific and more demanding that all this is observed both on the part of the partners and on our side, and this is one moment, another moment, again transparency is important for our partners, because the russian federation, using his

narratives, will constantly talk about what ukraine is a corrupt country, everything is stolen there, that ukraine resells, and the more we are transparent to our partners , the more, i emphasize to our partners, it is not necessary to be transparent to the russian federation, not to be at all, i am talking about our partners, the more we will inspire confidence in our partners. now we are emotionally in theirs, in their minds. we still have to practically prove that we are in their minds. mr. antony, thank you very much for your professional comments, i hope that these approaches are related to the combination of market conditions and war conditions, after all, we will be balanced in the decisions of our authorities, i will remind our viewers that my interlocutor was anton mikhnenko, an expert on security and technology issues. and then we will continue our program after a short informational pause and talk about what other conclusions we have to draw from the hostilities in israel, which are extremely useful for strengthening our defense

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espresso. continuing our war program, where we try to draw conclusions against the backdrop of hostilities in israel, conclusions that may adjust our defense-industrial or military priorities in the context of our war with the russian federation, and now we are joined by oleksandr los, ph.d. aerospace, the developer of the drone fighter and a number of other aviation projects. mr. oleksandr, glad to see and hear. dear serhiyevich, i am very glad to see you, thank you for the invitation. glory to ukraine. kudos to the heroes, even though you are wearing a cravat today, which is very unusual to see, after the uniform with which we have repeatedly appeared on the air, i would like to ask you, in the context of what is happening in israel, are you currently s... actively analyzing combat operations in different countries, what equipment

is used, what weapons are used by the russian federation and other countries, and so we wanted to hear from you what conclusions we should draw from the first stage of the military campaign, which is now is happening in israel, around israel, what is important that we should distinguish from those approaches that the country uses in the fight against its enemies, you know, i want to start my comment with gratitude, here i see the signature below us, the war will be global, like in ukraine to prepare for it, this is in continuation of the words and comments of the very calm , professional, professional lieutenant general kyryl budanov, the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, and all that we see, our regional, so-called the regional war, the ukrainian-russian war, or the events currently taking place in israel.

in the middle east in general, one way or another, today everything, all of them are a continuation of those textbook operations that took place in the middle east in the early 90s, i always give textbook examples for aviators, first of all, and for specialists of the so-called of joint operations, it is the fact that one way or another any serious breakthrough operation begins with air damage, first of all, these are means, means of air delivery ammunition, then the missile troops are connected, the ground component must continue to move, that is the logic that applies to ukraine, what are the conclusions from this, unfortunately, due to the insufficient number and even the insufficient quality of aviation means of destruction, which available in ukraine, we are still waiting for american

or some other models of serious fighter aircraft, operational-tactical aircraft, well , first of all, of course, we are talking about the fact that the most air force today f16 planes are expected, we have talked about it more than once, for now, well, if you ask me, as always a person who systematically approached, and we also talked about this literally. comment that we have built a policy in ukraine in such a way that we will first receive a simpler aircraft from a technical point of view, although the f16 has its own characteristics, and then we will switch to heavy ones, so thank you, f15 and, but i want to emphasize always, and for specialists of my colleagues in the field of the military, i always emphasized the need for f-15i aircraft, that is , multi-purpose aircraft capable of

air and ground operations, is also the same aircraft, but the f16 is lighter , the amount of weapons that the f-15 can carry is almost one and a half times more than the f-16 and including, as one of the pilots noted air force f15 and has, the f-15 as such has a much greater combat radius than the f-16 and including, and i'm glad to hear that those. the thoughts that i was expressing regarding the concept that i was laying out, our unmanned fighter one, that's exactly what it is first of all, it's the air component of the anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense that is, the plane is a platform for anti-aircraft missile interceptors, ranging from simple barrage munitions, such as shahed and complex cruise missiles, or even sometimes you can think about intercepting ballistic missiles. so to sum up what i've said,

aviation is a very necessary and almost essential component to support, to start even ground operations. operation, if we talk about ukraine, then it will liberate our territories, why constantly our military and political leadership and emphasizes the need to obtain aircraft, no matter what year the platform appeared, and aircraft equipped with modern and state-of-the-art weapons, intelligence and weapons systems, i.e. target detection, aiming and delivery systems, its combat unit in various ways. be it anti-aircraft missiles or already so-called winged bombs, or as they are called smart bombs, or gliding bombs and so on, because unfortunately, despite the fact that the su-27 aircraft is comparable as an aerodynamic object , as

simple as the plane i carry with the f15 plane, which we we can see on the screen, but the weapon systems with which our aircraft in ukraine , su-27, 29, are equipped, they are already two or three generations behind what is on combat duty in the united states of america and, to the great regret of the russian federation. mr. oleksandr, i would like to take a step back and ask you the following question: why did it happen that when we talk about airplanes, we tried to supply them to iran, when we talk about long-range systems of the thunder complex, we somehow found in a partner. saudi arabia, as well as with planes for saudi arabia. and the question arises, do we have, why did this happen, and secondly, do we now have the time, potential, opportunities to develop powerful projects with the right countries, and do you have the feeling that we still we are moving in this direction, well, here we must

recall the words of the president of the foundation , philip karber, you remember, at the beginning of this year, who said: that you ukrainians say that we, the united states, do not give you enough, but you they didn't do anything to make this happen to you all mother, as my great-grandfather used to say, when the kombidovs came to him to uncork and told my grandfather to give the sukira, he said, this is my sukira, where is your sukira, such things continue in ukraine, unfortunately, continued until the beginning of this russian the ukrainian phase of the war, which has been going on for centuries, let's be honest about that. why did this happen? you know, i was once asked such a question, and not only to me, but also to other former heads of the state enterprise antonov. after all, it was, well, i don't want to say military, it was political, the political choice of the then leadership of already

independent ukraine. anyway, at that time, you know how an aircraft carrier cannot be turned around on the spot. how can you do this with a formula 1 car , it will still inertially move along its set course for a very long time and somewhere there in 20 minutes it will surely turn around, so it was with our country, the same mental attitude that many special service specialists had, who are even still in the service, my peers, we, who are now 45, in the early 90s were taught that who our the main enemy, after all, it is the united states of america, and some representatives who lead something there lived and even still live by the mental state. fortunately, this military and political situation of ours, primarily a military one, has removed the masks from all the actors in

this world, and fortunately i can already say that even i, i am proud of it, what was related to my zone. responsibility of tsdptonov, i managed, even putting my career on the line, to stop waste, squandering and treacherous transfer of intellectual property, assets to the various countries that are currently not supporting ukraine, i expressed myself very delicately, i'm sorry, i can't say more, even wearing it now, being on a civilian mission. then i will still ask about antonov, do you have the feeling that there are projects on the same antonov there or in other branches of the ukrainian defense industry, which, in cooperation with european, german, french partners, are really starting to create samples that really ensure the strengthening

of our defense industrial potential and they are creating new competences there, which we must acquire in partnership with our adequate countries, i was pleased to read recently the news that dppnov has finally joined a well-known european military-technical association, that is, it is still moving in the right direction... it succeeded ask, well, including me, for development specifically, if we talk about ppp, well , we see that in other projects, in other related industries, i hope that the same thing happens in the rocket industry, because if we talk about production , which was issued at the very beginning, after all, for ukraine, even as i am primarily an aviator in aerossa, i.e. aviation and space technologies, i will still say that in

ukraine we must focus on development, co-development with the united states, with european colleagues , anti -missile defense complexes, i always emphasize this, anti-missile defense, i.e. protection against ballistic missiles, high-speed hypersonic missiles. i will remind everyone that along the border. we were promised to place 96 launchers of the iskander complexes, this is 96 multiply by two, because in each ground-based iskander launcher there are two missiles, and not one, as was the case at point u or in previous projects, such as the scud, which, by the way , the russian federation once again transferred to iran, and is now trying to get them from there already under the guise of iranian technology, so with regard to ukraine, we need to... focus specifically on anti-missile and then anti-air defense systems, well , as an element of air defense and, to

a lesser extent, anti-missile defense to develop our own fighter projects , not forgetting, in no case so, that we need to receive a very significant range and nomenclature of equipment from our western colleagues, partners in the now global coalition. mr. oleksandr, you told us that anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense is a basic priority, and what else, relatively speaking, would you add in this priority chain in order to choose certain such, well , focus our efforts there on the short-term, medium-term perspective, and what except for ippo? yes, thank you for this hint, really, it's always me, you know, like in a market economy, with some kind of stock market quotations, if something is already being talked about a lot and it's all already in the press, then

it's probably too late to bet on it, i don't i don't need to say it too late, so i want to remind everyone about something that is little talked about in our country or not at all , including based on the achievements of the great physicists, the nobel prize already for 2023 , it once again related to quantum technologies . which will be used in the data transmission system, quantum computing and so similar, it is notorious, i use the word specifically, proverbial, because it is talked about a lot in the west, the so-called artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence, the components of which, the components of which are hardware and software complexes, are hardware and software, yes, the hardware part , that is, it is ultra-high-power microprocessor technology, electronic memory for computers, and in the future also quantum

technologies, that is, optoelectronic computers, ultra-high-power in terms of computing power, so for example, er, who on european territory is a trendsetter in this area, it is claimed in the press that it is, for example, denmark, who would have thought, really , why not, for example... the manufacturer, the most famous manufacturer in europe, of microprocessor technology , the netherlands, no, it is denmark, specifically focused on issues of quantum technologies, that is, ukraine, which has, remember, i once showed even our historical achievement of the ukrainian encyclopedia of cybernetics of the first world back in 1973, we must remember that we are first and foremost a nation of mathematicians, and only thanks to mathematics , its applied and various applied applications in various fields, it is possible to hold some, i am not saying, let it be primacy, but to be on a level in the world with highly developed, economically

highly developed nations and scientifically and technologically advanced nations, therefore, in the short term, i would strengthen the study of mathematics , english, by the way, this is also what is needed for the military, in all universities and universities of ukraine, i.e. military, higher educational institutions and civilian, technical educational institutions, and the english language is the short-term perspective, and the medium-term perspective, just in spite of the fact that when that global war happens, let's imagine that it is after the elections in the united states of america, that is, it will be already 2025, ukraine must prepare for the fact that we communicate with our colleagues, both military and civilian, the same language, it will still be the working language english, no one will get anywhere from that, and to develop, to make, including the highlight of our scientific,

military, scientific and technical industry, precisely the question of military artificial intelligence, because even in high-precision weapons, which are the same interceptor missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, or vice versa, operationally tactical missiles for defeating missile troops and artillery, they are all in their own way, in their essence, precisely the applied application of the questions of artificial intelligence mind in the hardware and software complex , because you and i saw how hamas made rockets from water pipes, you can say yes, but they have a high-precision component, a high-precision component - what is it, this or a radar guidance head, either optoelectronic or combined, and a system for processing images, map data and the like, and this is already the world of ultra-high technologies, in ukraine, as i said, unfortunately, we lost it, we had a production of microelectronics, it was destroyed , i

perfectly understand that this was done specifically in the 90s. and currently we need to be in the club of countries with which we can work in this area. mr. oleksandr, i will beat you up a bit. you mentioned artificial intelligence, do we have it? now, conditionally speaking, there is a certain basis where such solutions can be crystallized, which there cooperation with denmark or other countries, can be in the format of such a software product. have you seen the fact that there is development specifically on the ukrainian background... these efforts related to artificial intelligence, they exist so far at such a level, let's say, the tactical link, for arming the tactical link, that is, it is the processing of camera data for guidance the same semi-automatic barrage ammunition, including already are being developed in ukraine, such a fine,

yes, they can object to me, well, we already have a delta system and others. but this is still a more classical application in computer science in computer science, i am still talking more about high-speed computing, which is just emerging, it is not there yet, and ukraine with its scientific and educational potential would be very useful and should be very useful in this small club of countries developing promising systems using quantum technologies and ultra-high-speed calculations, i want to remind, for example, that the supercomputer that processed data from the radar , the arc 2 system, for which chernobyl was being built, not far from kyiv, the antenna, as it stood, was created just in syste at the institute of cybernetics, academy of sciences of ukraine, he was unique for his time, mr. oleksandr, and we should all remember this, ukrainians , remember this, thank you very much for, as always

, your professional comments and the high bar of requirements for what we should strive for and i think that our viewers will consider it and will draw conclusions, thank you very much for the inclusion, i will remind our viewers that it was oleksandr los, doctor of technical sciences, ex- head of the antonovo concern and the last manager and the person who developed the ukrainian unmanned fighter jet, so this project exists, it needs to be promoted and other projects in in the field of aviation, these were the main points of our military program in view of the hostilities in israel, what conclusions we should draw for our own security and defense, stay tuned to the espresso channel. 14-hour in ukraine, for your attention issue