[000:00:00;00] on chat, it is possible on chat, lately i see a lot of articles, different editions , british, german, american, where the same picture is endless, no matter what is written in the title, an illustration, necessarily, some cemetery in ukraine , some wounded fighters, and that's all, well, i, you know, i have such a mixed feeling, i understand that this may be some manifestation of empathy, but do such articles help ukraine at all? oh, what helps, doesn't help, sympathy is very important, very important, again, on sociology, yes, i don't want such anecdotal things tell, because really now there are many interesting studies, it is very important, americans, very motivating stories about children, about children, about the fact that children are being kidnapped, very motivating, right here even the trumpists, trump says, no, this needs to be stopped, that's all about genocide, and so on and so on,

so, of course, the main thing. american society values, yes, they do not really understand why it is important for the international theory of law and all these phrases about international legal society, that's all it is completely incomprehensible to ordinary people, but what protects children is very important , it is very very, very important, because on the one hand it is very important, it is about values, it is about the need to protect children, victims and so on, it extremely important, on the other hand, of course, especially americans, it is very important to them. well, support for ukraine correlates with belief in ukrainian victory, and of course, it is very important to talk about victories, too, yes, that some kind of balance is necessary, and yes, it is very important, it is very important that there is a concept of victory, ukrainians, ukraine has many victories, not only in the military sphere, for example, in the crimea with the black sea fleet, but in the sphere of infrastructure and so on, every day there is some kind of victory, but it is not always

told to the end. that is, do you think that the media, the media of the world, they are now more like faltering , they are showing ukraine more as a victim, or they are still showing it as a winner, journalists are going for something new, yes, when there were victories in battles for kiev, when was the liberation of kharkiv and kherson regions, of course they didn't write about it, no they write the second, like this, that is, you want to say there will be victories, they will write. no, well, then such a clobber begins, yes, and it is possible and possible to very strongly overemphasize some thing that is less than you than the other , it’s not, we do this all the time, and the history of our research, how we always refocus on a topic and this the topic becomes dominant when it does not reflect reality, that this is a very old problem of the media and did not start with this war, but interestingly, look, russian propaganda

tells a lot about how the western the equipment is on fire, some new leopard or bradley or something like that, it is important for them to tell their opinion to the population, because the population is really afraid, but now there was the last study of levvada, where the first fear is russian shelling, the second fear is the supply of western equipment ukraine also has the third fear of a counteroffensive by ukraine, that is, the three main fears of the russian population, more than 60% of them are afraid of this, the last one was this levada study in september, the end of september. and what about all this news about that foreign equipment that was provided to ukraine is on fire somewhere, it is broken, it has been attacked again by the russians, how do western societies perceive all this news, and in general, will they perceive or are they interested in what is happening again with technology, yes, look, it's interesting, for two reasons, there's just a part of society, to whom it's very

interesting, yes? who watch youtube channels about tanks, and who download apps for themselves , where they learn about i don’t know drones , there are just people who love it very much, well of course, people really want, they still really sympathize with ukraine, they really want to feel that they are part of the victory too, yes, but it seems to me that you just know that the news must be new so that people follow them, yes, it is not, well, the news has to be new, yes, by definition, yes, well , he told me once, this is the second time. unfortunately, it is not interesting to show new forms of victory all the time. i know that it is difficult. it is not easy. well, we live in a world where information is incredibly important and

where a military operation has more. informational aspect, yes, well, it seems to me that the guru understands it very well, for sure, yes, not very, not very well , he works in this direction, well, how do you evaluate everything in general? a flurry of articles about the counteroffensive, and to what extent, again, how much does it affect the support of ukraine, here are all the conversations that the counteroffensive is like this, not like that, it’s like that, it’s all gone, people, i think that people simply lose interest when when an expert starts such a technical breakdown of targets, people don't follow the war like that, they see what is happening, they look, yes, if we talk about about publicly, that is, from event to event, in fact, something bright happened, they concentrated on it, i repeat the focus group. america, again, america is a unique country, they ask us, is the war still going on? uhu, well, i'm not saying that this is a huge point of view, yes, but it is, yes, but to such a degree that ukraine is almost absent, well, not that almost, but often it is simply not in the news. then on this

ground, and the conversations, again, which are constantly some experts, come out about the fact that it is necessary to agree on something with russia, to what extent these talks are also, well, some kind of mainstream, in general. no one thinks about it at all, especially, yes, if he talks about such an elite conversation, yes, there is a large group of people who lobby for such a position, they are stronger in europe than in america, and trump talks about it, yes, he says, that he will agree with everyone in 5 seconds, because he is a dialmaker, he will agree with everyone and everyone will be happy, and here he is talking about such a position, but i think that s... people who make politics, they understand that they are not negotiating with anyone, yes, i think that this illusion has long passed, and you know, this conversation continues almost like that, i don’t know how the rest of the echoes of the old

conversations, and now i think that everyone there understands that they do not agree with anyone, but they also do not understand what to do, or at least they do not tell us what they will do, yes, what, yes, he is like that, in this , well, in this inaccuracy, well, that's it. it's very dangerous, you know, i have this again, again, if trump comes to power, this is all thrown out, uh, and god knows what will happen, well, i have the impression that when one loses focus a little bit, one loses understanding of what to do next, there is such a familiar reaction, everyone starts saying about corruption in ukraine, you know, it's just a topic to which you can always return if you don't know what to say, but i have this impression, and it seems to me that right now is such a moment, and how widespread these conversations are in general, to what extent they really hit on the support of ukraine, how much they

toxic, to the extent that the society of western countries pays attention to them, without being insanely important, well, the following, which i read, show that even those who support ukraine, when you ask them, why would you lose them, why would you lose them, or would you stop supporting ukraine? they answer that there is the first point, if ukraine itself commits crimes, the second point , if there is corruption and the money will be used for corrupt purposes and it will be stolen, you understand that they give their money, yes, taxpayers' money a very important goal, i completely understand that this is a very important goal, the majority, yes, 75% believe that it is very important to support ukraine, but if they see how the ukrainian elite steals this money, themselves, and it does not benefit the people, then they will, of course, react negatively to this, and of course, russian propaganda, but not only russian propaganda, simply american anti-ukrainian propaganda will put maximum pressure on this, on this topic, this is almost the most

dangerous topic for ukraine, and because of this it is necessary to approach it very seriously, and what about you they said here, because i now see a repetition of a certain comeback, you know in 16, 17 years, when also, in order to, well , normalize russia in general, they started talking about corruption in ukraine, now the same story, because to a certain extent these conversations, well, they are of an artificial nature, well, how are we going to fight this, well, how? well, here i am, well, yes, yes, there are many sources here, and russian sources, american sources, if we talk in detail, yes, it is possible, well, let’s start with metaphors that we hear all the time, in focus groups, yes, why we , why do we write ukraine a blank check, an open check, as much as you want, yes, start with these metaphors, there are no open checks, yes , every penny is tracked, everything is very, very

high, and a high-quality system, how we track money, this is the first, yes , well, such small things, what do you need to start with, yes, you need to fight at the level of language, you need to talk about how money is spent anyway. and who should do it? should the american government do it, should the ukrainian government do it? their own approach, but they don't fall down either too much in the conversation about money, yes, when it comes to supporting the security of the world, when it comes to what needs to be done, tyrants who try to take away the freedom of other countries, then, well, to defeat them and to achieve stability, which

может быть песле победы, and this is a very good investment, yes, and in order, in order, stability is necessary , it also says that no matter how much it is, it is impossible to count dollars here and there, yes, that is the stability that will be after that how are we, we will be able to stop russia, brings great benefits to everyone. to what extent, for example, this narrative that russia is so great and it will always be great, and ukraine is not so great, and that it is running out of resources, that we constantly, constantly read, hear, does not influence at all. , to what extent is it in general, such a thing, which, which is perceived by, well, some societies of western countries, politicians of western countries, how toxic this issue is, insanely, insanely tactical, there is still the idea that russia is huge, it is an illusion that

it is very rich . there is knowledge that she has nuclear weapons, that it has rich resources, and this is the idea that it is a giant, it is necessary to deal with a giant, you will never defeat it, it plays a huge role, and it is necessary to take it very much apart in order to see the arrogance of this king, we have not done it yet , that is, it was not possible to deconstruct this myth, not to the end, of course, some sobered up, but this is how i understand nuclear weapons in themselves, but the issue of nuclear weapons remains also toxic, which in principle affects the decision to be made very strongly, officially, yes according to any doctrine, you secondly, you have a different relationship with a nuclear state than a nuclear state, this is part of the doctrine of any country, well, you know, my big part is mine.

work in general consists in the fact that i watch literally hours of russian tv shows, russian television in order to understand what they are doing to their population, and the latest, and the last, well, the biggest such trend that there was, it literally started in the past weeks, it’s dragging on now, they’re trying for their own, well, it’s cyclical for them, they approached it several times, but the last one was very a strong approach, it is happening right now, they are trying to normalize nuclear war for the russian population, they are talking about the fact that a nuclear war can be won, that a nuclear war can be limited, that russia can, well, at least respond and we will not all die, but will die only some part, well, maybe you know this story, when simonyan, margarta simonyan said that we can detonate a bomb over russia there, and after that everything will turn off and we can do something like that, but

why on turn off the satellites, turn off all satellites, why, that’s another question, okay, the question is that they are now trying to conduct some kind of nuclear test, which would be very large and would terrify everyone, and since they can conduct this test only on the territory of russia, it is necessary to normalize it for of russian citizens, and a strange thing happened, because after a few days of this propaganda. very active, er, a number of such small politicians, semi-oppositional, even there one member of the state duma from the communists, and one from united russia, began to tell that something should be done with by these propagandists who talk about it because it is impossible, well they have to face this talk about nuclear weapons , uh, at the forum in valdai putin was forced to come out himself and say that he does not support the use of nuclear weapons, now from the nuclear

doctrines of russia, it's not him, it's not him, it's all a type of propaganda, and, that is, russian, it is clear that the russians, they, they are afraid of the perception by the russian population, or rather, the non- perception by the russian population, of these ideas about nuclear war, about some limited nuclear the strikes that they keep talking about, the tactical nuclear strikes that they keep talking about, and in the background of that, i 'm just wondering to what extent is it possible... in that case, it would be effective for them to respond publicly, not publicly, but hear about the fact that any attempts to use... in any case nuclear weapons, they will receive exactly such a nuclear strike, because the population of russia is really afraid of this, maybe it's time to work with this fear, i don't know, it seems to me that you you know more than i do about this, i have seen different studies in russia, there where yes, people are very afraid of nuclear weapons,

so theoretically, if we can convince them that their power is leading to the apocalypse, it should be created, like the anti movement. movements in russia, maybe i don’t know, but there is something in it, well, i am such a strange society, we often apply the logic of democracy, yes, to russia, but everything is different there, yes, it seems to me, sometimes, that ukraine is the way it is, there is a historical one there, there is a historical understanding of russia, but ukrainian society has developed in such a different way over the last 30 years that i often when i talk to ukrainian political technologists, i hear how they apply democratic logic to russia, yes, well, according to some logic of ours, yes, democratic, for sure, yes, your power leads to horror, but everything is a mess there , i don't know how it will work there, there are kingdoms of mirrors, i don't know what will work there, we can't expect, it seems to me that we can't expect a coup there, well, we have

the same situation , as with the support of the germans, hitler hitler, nazism, very similar, very similar similar, very similar, very similar, yes. yes, in such a situation, what do we have to put pressure on in order to at least not allow any really, what kind of goal must be accepted, still yes, no, it is necessary to accept what kind of goal, yes, what kind of goal, yes, here is ours, ours the goal in general is to drive them out of our territory, yes, and to defeat them in this way , for example, well, look, we are simple targets, yes there, well, to knock down the mobilization, yes, there, there, maybe, i don’t know, reserves in. .. and i don't know, in the productions there are important for for and for the production of weapons, well, it is probably necessary to start with such things, well, what we really do not understand, well, what does any propaganda there during the war start with, and how will it cause problems in their military production and the military machine, well,

concentration is always on this, but how to make the soldiers desert, and so on, well, this is the first one, right? the simplest and the most competent, and i think that everyone is already engaged in this with different levels of success, if we are talking about larger social changes, it is necessary to always combine the military actions, well, communication, political, and so on, are necessary in one thing, yes, they must work together during the war, and even when i don't know, ukrainian drones have reached moscow, but to what extent were we able to expand this information everywhere? and return it so that, well, the kremlin power looked weak, yes, did we use the moment of the prigorzhensky uprising as much as possible, yes, we used it a little , well, did we use it as much as possible, i don’t know, to such an extent that we were able to really return the informational part of it, of this

actions to ours, but to ours, to our victory, yes, i don't know, just yes, i don't deal with it, well, this is a question, yes, that's a question. physical actions, yes, are supported by information, yes, because they need to be maximized, well, then the most important thing is our understanding of the relationship of the relationship of information, and, i don’t know, different public moods with changes in the political calculations of the kremlin, yes, that after all , that we are looking for, yes, the moment when the people who make decisions in russia decide that this war was a mistake, we need... well, at the end of the invasion of afghanistan during the soviet era, they should just accept defeat, for sure, yes , that was a mistake, we need to change, we need to change our political decisions, yes, if we are looking for it, yes, for at least, i don’t know, it seems like yes, how did the soviets withdraw from afghanistan or the french from algeria, well, such

situations, we still don’t really understand what they rely on when they can make such a decision, yes, at what point did they understand , oh, we miscalculated. so yes, something we are not they thought it through, but we still don’t really understand, i don’t really understand, maybe the guru understands, the mortzeru understands, what they are looking at, yes, when they make decisions, it is related to sanctions, it is related to the interrelationship of regions in russia, classic russian the problem, yes, inter-regional relations, it is related to financial indicators , and there is some report that i brought to the central bank, they say, we can no longer, but i don’t know what it is, yes, then we need it push back, yes, that's what they 're looking at, and how they'll influence us then points because of information, because of sanctions, because of military actions, well, you need to get away from that, right?

well, the network of actions, i would not separate here cyber actions, military actions, informational actions, sanctions actions, they must all work together to lead to this result, well, we understand, this is very far from the search for democratic principles in russian society, no , let someone look for them, but this will not lead to victory, ugh, and finally, what do you consider the greatest communicator now. of ukraine, well , primarily in the west, in the western world, because the western world will support us, well, of course, look, i don’t think that there are any informational tasks that are not related to real politics, yes, this is really all related, the question is how to tell more about the victories, this is very important , yes, that's all these eternal conversations about counteroffensives, it's already bad to fixate on this on this history, but we need to talk about others. actions and other victories and other problems that will happen now, this winter will be very harsh, we

know that, we know that russia has prepared a huge number of drone missiles, which are built with western technology, western machines, western microchips , and it is necessary to talk about it now, it is necessary to raise awareness in the west very strongly now that western technology produces weapons that kill children, the west began to take the most effective actions to to stop it, yes, we are talking about sanctions and many other actions to stop it, because other actions are also necessary, well, first of all, weapons, which we simply do not have enough of, tell me, can we still expect that the west will stop reacting nervously to strikes against russia? when this will happen, because without us still moving the war on the territory of russia, i'm afraid, it's impossible, well

, to get victories, well, look, the blows are different, well, now we are hitting military targets, we show it enough that we are hitting, i think that's it , i think that ukraine has changed very much, the concept of the west about how russia will react, it seems to me, the attacks in crimea, i think that drones are in moscow, i think that such fires in the key factories have very much changed the calculation of the western services of politicians about the possibility of winning this war, we are waiting for the next step from them, the next step, when they stop being afraid that this is happening with western weapons, we had a writer and a journalist with us, thank you. pain

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