a sharp, noticeable cold snap is about to begin, so please prepare in all reasonable, of course, ways possible for this cold snap and keep an eye out for our next forecast on the espresso channel. good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy. yurudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health, today in the program: the work of sea children, what is known about the attack on the russian missile carrier buyan and the ship pavil derzhavin? parye recognized russia as a dictatorship when putin's rule finally falls international legitimacy? moscow is hoping that the us will be able to support ukraine and israel at the same time? they are waiting for

cold weather, the russians are stockpiling missiles for revenge in the winter, what to prepare for? israel's army radio has just reported that israeli infantry and tanks have entered the territory of the gaza strip to clear militants and search for people captured during a raid by armed groups in southern israel on october 7. we will talk about this and other things today for the next hour with our guests, they will be the diplomat and politician volodymyr hrysko and colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine, roman kostenko. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how the russians are trying to attack avdiivka. ukrainian border guards showed how they repelled an assault on their positions, and the 59th brigade, hit by the enemy. t-80 tank,

huh, that was hard. on october 13, one of the leaders of the terrorist organization hamas, khalit mashal, declared the day

of jihad, the world day of jihad, let's see what happened on this day in the european cities

friends, for those who are currently watching us live on the youtube channel, please like this video and also vote in our poll, today we ask you about how long do you think it will be until the war in ukraine ends, a month , a few months, a year or a few years, if you have your own version of the answer, please write under this video, i want to present ours today. our guest is a politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, volodymyr hrysko, mr. volodymyr, good evening and i am glad to see you on our air, i congratulate you, mr. serhiy, good health, let's first talk about what happened during the day in the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, because today the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe recognized the president russia as a dictator, the russian regime... i am dictating. pare

called on all the states of the council of europe to recognize putin as illegitimate after the end of his current presidential term, i.e. in march 2024. does this mean, mr. volodymyr, that starting from march 2024 year, at least the countries that voted for such a decision, will call putin the self-proclaimed president of the russian federation, as they do now with alexander lukashenko, and what consequences will this have for i don’t know if i should say the word reputation here, vladimir putin, well, let’s put it this way , for him. on the international arena, well, you see, mr. serhiy, i think this is correct, but still a continuation of the line that started earlier, because i would start with the nato parliamentary assembly, which condemned the ideology and

the practice of racism, then there was a resolution of the osce parliamentary assembly, which recognized racism, the ideology of the modern ... putin's regime, now the council of europe recognizes putin and putin's regime as dictatorial, i would of course, in the place of the council of europe, write one more word fascist dictatorship , because it would be more accurate, well, but probably this is the next step, so it seems to me that the civilized world is gradually, but relentlessly, already fixing it in international legal documents, and this is extraordinary. possible for future legal proceedings that putin and his regime are dictatorship, that putin's, that racism is the ideology and practice of this dictatorship, that is, an appropriate, international

legal framework is being created so that later , using, including these resolutions, well , except of course, the real evidence of what , what atrocities the russian army was doing it here, so that it would also be political, so to speak, the basis for future trials of war criminals , including the one you are now showing, what it will mean for the reputation, well, there is no reputation, mr. serhiy, for a long time reputation with... originated as morning fog, because, well, the person who gives the order to kill has no reputation anymore, so i think that, like in the case of lukashenka, there will simply be no more attempts, in any way, to contact

this person, well that there will be orbán, maybe, maybe someone else who will demonstrate a separate approach, but this will only speak of their marginality and nothing more. mr. volodymyr, you have already mentioned a possible legal basis for later condemning the putin regime or racism, not only at the level of pare or the council of europe, but also in general the whole world, but a day earlier they adopted a resolution in which they recognized the holodomor of 1932-3 in ukraine as genocide of the ukrainian people, and this is also, as i understand it, a step towards forcing russia in this case, as the legal successor of the soviet union, in order to compensate, in case

ukraine wants to file a lawsuit against russia, regarding the genocide of the ukrainian people and to connect what happened then in 1932-3 with what is now in the 22nd, 23rd years of this century, what consequences will this also have in the long term prospects for russia? er, well, let's start with the fact that there is no long-term perspective for russia , mr. serhiyev, let's proceed from the fact that this perspective is short-term, and the historical mission of ukraine is to reduce it to a minimum and in the near future in in principle ceased to exist, as the soviet union once did, in relation to the fact that the glodymor gedutsynov recognized the match, this is really

a continuation of the same line, the russian federation, well, actually, like all former soviet republics, is the legal successor of the ussr, that is... the ukrainian ssr is also the legal successor of the ussr, but the russian federation decided not only to be the legal successor, according to international law, but also declared itself the successor of the russian federation. empire of the soviet union, that is, it took upon itself all the sins that occurred during the times of the russian empire and the soviet union, including the sin of the holodomor, which more and more states and international organizations recognize as genocide, so this is another stone, yes so to speak, in what is now called... russian

federation, but what, as a result of court proceedings and decisions, i think, will obviously end with the recognition of russia as a country that, uh, is a country that, uh, used to commit genocide against its own population then, and now commits genocide relative to a neighboring state, so this is a drop by drop in the general flow of accusations, which will then have to be answered by what remains of the russian federation in accordance with international law. mr. volodymyr, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi says that we are now we are at a historical turning point, and europe needs geopolitical stability and even as he says in the euro-atlantic space, let's listen to what volodymyr

zelensky said. all of us are now at a historical turning point, there are only two options, because terrorist russia will succeed in breaking freedom, and then the zone of geopolitical instability that exists in the east of europe will spread throughout our continent, or thanks to many levels and formats of cooperation, russia will lose in this confrontation, and when it loses, as a result of which a historic chance will be realized geopolitical. through minsk kyiv to the south caucasus, was there such a chance in previous generations, honestly, there was no, because russia has always kept the potential for destabilization, but now you and i have it, and we have to realize it. mr. volodymyr, zelenskyi said that russia always kept this chance and potential for destabilization, well, we see that. not only leaves this state, this is the potential for destabilization, it also expands, tries

to expand at the expense of other countries that are part of the so-called axis of evil, iran, syria, north korea, that is, we see what is happening now in the middle east, russia is trying to spread, or let's say, increase this tension in the world so that what it is doing is not the same, or less noticeable against the background of what is happening in the near in the east, what can happen there, for example, between north and south korea or in taiwan, in your opinion, as far as this time, russia for destabilization, in order to spread this destabilization in the world, as far as it is wide in time, well, you see, the conclusions , which president zelenskyi made are correct, i am talking about

by the way, i have been saying this for more than one month, and my colleagues and i have been working on preparing for the authorities, well, at least proposals regarding how this chance can be used, i mean a chance for the victory of democracy over totalitarianism, and we must definitely take away from russia the chance to be a destabilizer of global... security , which it has been until now, it has set itself on this path of defeat and it will definitely suffer this defeat, whether it will be able to raise the news of evil now, i think that this dreams because if, after all, the west will finally understand that as long as this, this source of evil, namely the russian federation... will exist, it will be constantly threatened, well, the child

does not understand what is behind this attack on israel , hamas stood, russia and iran, uh, i think that at all, you don’t need to be a great analyst to understand that it is russia that is trying to destabilize the situation now, whether along this axis of evil that you mentioned, mr. serhiy, or about or in order to... try to pull or drag china to its side and persuade it to be part of this axis of evil and so on, that is, these are all things that lie on the... upper, and it still seems to me that if today the united states of america clearly and clearly says that we will help both ukraine and israel , this means that the west as a whole will do the same. therefore, this axis of evil has no chance, because the potentials are unmatched, all that is needed here is political

will, and if it finally appears, then ukraine and israel will have the latest weapons, so those who are trying to win have a chance. will be equal zero, the only thing that, so to speak, still, for me, at least causes great regret and doubt, is that , unfortunately, we still do not see this final political will, although, let's say, germany gives us enormous help, for which we thank, but on separate topics and points, well, even though, as they say, uh, bang your head against the wall, the same taurus, taurus missiles, which, which we really need, for some reason became a point, well, because of which it cannot skip chancellor scholz, although it is obvious to everyone that it will happen anyway, the question is just that

it was faster, well, but you see, unfortunately, it remains a topic that... is still irresistible for scholz. so we have to work with our western partners, uh, so that they understand sooner that this uh, country that is destabilizing the world can no longer be played with. but against this background, putin, perhaps for the first time in the last year and a half, is trying to appear in the role of, well, a peacemaker, in the pubic area of ​​a peacemaker, because he speaks. and comments on the events in the middle east and says that it needs to be stopped bloodshed, and let's listen to how he does it, now the main thing is to stop the bloodshed , collective efforts are more needed in the interests of the earliest cessation of fire and stabilization of the situation on the ground, i would like to emphasize, russia is ready to coordinate with all constructively

disposed partners, we are leaving from the lack of alternatives to the solution. the israeli conflict through negotiations, the goal of which should be the realization of the un two- state formula, which presupposes the creation of an independent palestinian state with capital in east jerusalem. that is, well, putin, i already talked about it, he is like a typical gopnik of the 90s, first he creates conflicts, and then he arrives in some mercedes and says, there, well, let's decide now. these are all your questions, do you have any problems there, that is, he creates problems, then solves them, what do you think putin wants in this situation? eh, well, you know, you are right, mr. sergey, this , and we have talked about it with you more than once, is a usual tactic of moscow, to create a problem, then to act as a peacemaker, nothing

there is nothing new, this is an ancient, ancient way of interfering in the affairs of the state. and then keep them on a short chain , as they say, the same applies to the arab-israeli conflict, since the 70s, i still remember myself, well, as a relatively young man, when it was 70-73 this bloody confrontation unfolded, which then ended. it continued with one intensity or another , and whoever was behind it, the soviet union was behind it then. he helped the arabs and flirted with israel, he helped israel and flirted with the arabs, that is, this is the tactic that continues today, so to believe these conversations that this , this, er, fascist leader is suggesting something to someone,

is to play a game with the devil, er, i think that the best form of solving many conflicts in world, including the middle east, this is the elimination of russia as a factor that affects the determination of certain processes, this will be the prologue to those changes of a global nature, which you just talked about, referring to president zelsky, this is exactly the the case when eliminating e, the main source of this axis of evil, is eliminated problems, both of a global nature, and including a regional one, such as the middle eastern conflict, because then one force disappears , which still keeps this entire region in constant tension, well, who helped bashar assad, well,

putin helped, because he understands , that it was possible to play here as well, in such a way as to destabilize the entire region, and he , by the way, achieved this, again, why, because president obama could not understand that russia is an evil that must be fought, well , maybe now the zahid team is finally doing it will understand and begin to make sure that this evil is finally destroyed. mr. volodymyr, israel's army radio has already reported that israeli infantry and tanks entered the territory of the gaza strip to clear the militants and search for people captured during the invasion of armed groups in the south of israel on october 7. before that, hezbollah, the lebanese, uh, militant movement, said that they would join this war, if suddenly israel crosses the border and enters the gaza strip,

do you think that israel will be able to prove declared by him, because israel usually does what it deems necessary, when it is convinced that it is necessary, and what consequences it will have for neighboring countries, because we have seen that there have already been shelling from syria, iran is warming up there the atmosphere also says, well done, hamas, which struck israel, and hezbollah in the north is also ready to go to war with israel there, in principle, what will happen when israel enters the sector in a completely ground operation? well, you see, israel now has no choice but to do what has been announced. because well the level of this violence, the level of atrocities, it leaves israel no other way

, that is, if it pretends that nothing happened, it will happen very often, so israel must destroy hamas, er, of course, it will also provoke hezbollah, and not only for appropriate actions , but, well, the choice that the leadership of israel made, it is now, in my opinion, absolutely correct, because as long as the terrorists will walk around and pretend that nothing happened, the threat that they will kill next will remain, or will be, an easy walk. certainly not, although the israeli army now, fully deployed, as they say, will certainly dominate, but there is a threat, sabotage

, guerrilla work and so on, from terrorists, so it will not be an easy task, at the same time, eh, i think it is quite likely that, uh, and the american fleet in the mediterranean sea will at least help in blocking access to the gas sector, and i do not rule out that, after all, some european countries can join to one extent or another before helping israel in this operation, so the threat of escalation is definitely there, iran will try to incite all of its own. their proxies in the middle east in order for them to become more active, but still, the balance of power, it seems to me, is on the side of israel and those who will really

help it, and the americans are already helping, the british are helping, so i think there is no actually what to talk about, the question is just the same again, the question is the price that will be paid for it. the united states of america will support it quite strongly now. the state of israel, one the aircraft carrier group, gerald ford, has already approached the shores of israel, another is also approaching israel, yesterday and today the secretary of state of the united states of america , anthony blinken, and the secretary of defense, lloyd austin, visited israel , not for the first time, the americans so strongly support israel and promise support for support for israel to retaliate against all those who encroach on its independence, encroach on its territory, these two

aircraft carrier groups. which have now approached israel in your opinion, is this a warning to iran and syria, or to a wider range of countries that could join the arab-israeli war, the wider arab-israeli war? well, i will start by saying that the americans have always helped israel, and quite literally, in recent years, when we received 300.000 . the order of the numbers speaks for itself, uh, so even now, it is obvious that the americans cannot allow terrorism in the middle east to gain further impetus, and that is why they are definitely so actively helping, and you are absolutely right,

that both the secretary of defense and the secretary of state of the united states have visited the region means that this support will be, but not only, political, but also very practical from a military point of view, so what now, the us navy, fits to the shores, israel, says only that it will be a very... practical help in case of need. of course, the americans do not want to be directly involved in these events, they do not want to once again get into a situation where their armed forces can, so to speak, get stuck in one or another conflict, but having such a powerful fleet, well, actually

, putting on the shoulders of all those who suddenly want to help hamas, i think it will not be a big problem for the americans. the only point that arises in this, for me, no less, is that, in the west, and this is what you showed before the inclusion, some of the demonstrations that are taking place in europe, whole enclaves have already formed, er, er, diasporas with arab countries are anti-democratic , against the very society in which they live and are fanatically in favor of those who practically engage in terrorism, this is a problem that , unfortunately, western societies have allowed because of their pseudo-ism in some cases, and now this topic

will be very... very relevant for them, well, but this is, as they say, a little different story. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for your inclusion, this was volodymyr ogryzko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9 . friends, we are live on the channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching us live on youtube, please like this video and also take part in our vote, today we ask you about the following. how long do you think it will take until the end of the war in ukraine, a month, a few months, a year, a few years, please vote, we are interested to know your opinion, and if you have your own opinion on this, please write in the comments below this video, we are always happy to read your comments. next, we are in touch with roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you

see on our air. good. evening, each other, mr. serhiy, mr. roman, let's start the situation in the eastern direction, because the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports that the russian invaders are trying to break through the defenses of the ukrainian military in the avdiivka district, the military says that during the day, 20 were repelled in the direction of avdiivka enemy attacks in the district settlements of avdiyivka, lastochkina, tonenka, pervomaiske, nevelelske, donetsk region, what is happening there now, i understand that the russians have decided to take avdiivka, avdiivka is the gate to donetsk, well, yes, the situation there is threatening, because i think the enemy, well, we saw in general, strategically, that the enemy tried to look for weak points and by actions in the east, first the kupyansk-limansk direction, now adiei, he is trying to somehow pull away our reserves.