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they are waiting for cold weather, the russians are stockpiling missiles for revenge in the winter, what to prepare for. israel's army radio has just reported that israeli infantry and tanks have entered the territory of the gaza strip to clear militants and search for people captured during the withdrawal of armed groups in the south of israel on october 7. we will talk about this and other things today during the next hour our guests will be diplomat and politician volodymyr hrysko and colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine, roman kostenko. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how the russians are trying to attack avdiivka. ukrainian border guards showed how they repelled an assault on their positions, and the 59th brigade was hit by... an enemy t-80 tank,

huh, it was difficult. on october 13, one of the leaders of the terrorist organization hamas, khalit mashal, declared the day

of jihad, the world day of jihad, let's see what happened that day in european cities.

friends, for those who are currently watching us live on the youtube channel, please like this video and also vote in our poll, today we are asking you about how long do you think it will be until the end of the war in ukraine, a month, a few months a year or a few years, if you have your own version of the answer, please write under this video, i want to introduce today... our first guest is a politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9 years, volodymyr hryska, mr. volodymyr, good evening and i am glad to see you on our air. greetings, mr. serhiy, good health, let's first talk about what happened during the day in the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, because today, the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe recognized the president of russia as a dictator, the russian regime

as a dictatorship. parye called on all the states of the council of europe to recognize putin as illegitimate after the end of his current presidential term, i.e. in march 2024. does this mean, mr. volodymyr, that starting from in march 2024, at least the countries that voted for such a decision will call putin the self-proclaimed president of the russian federation, as they do now with alexander lukashenko, and what consequences will this have for i don't know if i should say the word reputation here, vladimir putin, well let's say so. for his position on the international stage? well, you see, mr. serhiy, i think this is correct, but it is still a continuation of the line that started earlier, because i would start with the nato parliamentary assembly, which

condemned the ideology and practice of racism, then there was a resolution of the osce parliamentary assembly, which recognized racism, the ideology... of the modern putin regime, now the council of europe recognizes putin and putin's regime as dictatorial, of course i would be on the spot, i would write to the council of europe one more word fascist dictatorship, because it would be more accurate, well, but probably this is the next step, so it seems to me that the civilized world is gradually, but unceasingly, fixing already in international legal documents, and this is extremely important for future court proceedings, that putin and his the regime is a dictatorship, that putin's, that racism is the ideology and practice of this dictatorship, that is, an appropriate,

international legal basis is being created so that later, using including these resolutions, well, except of course, the real ones to the point that, which atrocities were committed here by the russian army, so that it would be a political basis, so to speak, for future trials of war criminals, including the one you are now showing, what this will mean for the reputation, well, there is no reputation, mr. sergey, long ago the reputation disappeared like the morning mist, because, well , the person who gives the order to kill has no reputation anymore, so i think that, as in the case of lukashenko, there will simply be no more

attempts, somehow to contact this person, well, unless there is an orban, maybe someone else who will demonstrate a separate approach, but this will only speak of their marginality and nothing more. mr. volodymyr, you have already mentioned a possible legal basis for later condemning the putin regime, or racism, not only at the level of pare or the council of europe, and the whole world in general, but pare a day earlier , adopted a resolution in which it recognized the 32-3 year holodomor in ukraine as genocide of the ukrainian people, and this too, as i understand it, is a step towards ensuring that everything still, to force russia in this case, as the legal successor of the soviet union, to compensate, in the event that ukraine

wants to file a lawsuit against russia, regarding the genocide of the ukrainian people and to connect what was then in 32-3- x years, and with what is in the 22nd, 23rd years of this century, what will it also be have long-term consequences for russia? er, well, let's start with the fact that there is no long-term perspective for russia, mr. serhiy, let's proceed from the fact that this perspective is short-term, and the historical mission of ukraine is to reduce it to a minimum and in the near future in basically ceased to exist, as the soviet union once did. in relation to what the pariah recognized, the holodimor gedutsynov,

this is really a continuation of the same line. the russian federation, well, actually, like everyone else the former soviet republics are the legal successors of the srs. that is, the ukrainian ssr is also the legal successor of the ussr, but the russian federation decided not only to be the legal successor according to international law, but also declared itself the successor. of the russian empire, the soviet union, that is, it took upon itself all the sins that occurred during the times of the russian empire and the soviet union, including the sin of the holodomor, which more and more states and international organizations recognize as genocide. so, this is another stone, so to speak, in what is called

now still by the russian federation, but what, as a result of court proceedings and decisions, i think, will obviously end with the recognition of russia as a country that, is a country that previously committed genocide against its own population then, and now commits genocide against... . of a neighboring state, so this is, drop by drop, in the general flow of accusations, which will then have to be answered by what remains of the russian federation in accordance with international law. mr. volodymyr, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi says that we are now we are at a historical turning point, and europe needs geopolitical stability and even more broadly, as he says, in the euro-atlantic space, let's listen to what volodymyr

zelensky said. all of us are now at a historical turning point, there are only two options, because terrorist russia will succeed in breaking freedom, and then the zone of geopolitical instability that exists in the east of europe will spread throughout our continent, or thanks to many levels and formats of cooperation, russia will lose in this confrontation, and when it loses , as a consequence will be a historic chance for geopolitics has been realized. stability along the entire line from scandinavia through minsk kyiv to the southern caucasus, was there such a chance in previous generations, honestly , there was none, because russia always kept the potential for destabilization, but now we have it, and we have to realize it. mr. volodymyr, zelenskyi said that russia has always reserved this chance and potential for destabilization, well, we. we see that russia not only leaves this state, this potential for destabilization, it also expands,

is trying to expand at the expense of other countries that are part of the so-called axis of evil, iran , syria, north korea, that is, we see what is happening now in the middle east, russia is trying to spread, or let's say, increase this tension in the world in order to what she is doing was wrong, visible or less visible against the background of what is happening in the middle east, which can happen there, for example, between north and south korea, or in taiwan, in your opinion, how much is this time, for russia destabilization, in order to to spread this destabilization in the world, as wide as it is in time, well, you see, the conclusions... that president zelensky made are correct, by the way, i have been saying this for more than one month now, and my colleagues and i

are working on prepare, for the authorities, well, at least proposals regarding how this chance can be used, i mean a chance for the victory of democracy over totalitarianism, and we must definitely take away from russia the chance to be the destabilizer of security that it has been until now, itself she started on this path of defeat and this one will definitely be defeated, will she be able to raise the news of evil now , i think it's a pipe dream, because if, after all , the west will finally understand that as long as, this, this source of evil, namely, the federation will exist, it will

constantly threatened, well, doesn’t a child understand that russia and iran were behind this attack on israel, hamas, i think that at all, you don’t need to be a great analyst to understand that it is russia that is trying to destabilize the situation now, or the axis of evil that you, mr. sergiu, mentioned, or about later to try to pull or drag china to its side and persuade it to be part of this axis of evil and so on, that is, these are all things that lie on the surface, and it still seems to me that if the united states of america today clearly and clearly speaks about that we will help both ukraine and israel, this means that the west as a whole will do the same, so this axis of evil has no chance, because the potentials are unequal,

only political will is needed here, and if it finally appears, then then the latest... weapons will be in ukraine and in israel, so the chances of those who try to win will be zero, the only thing that, so to speak, so far, for me, at least causes great regret and doubt, is that these the final political will, unfortunately, we still do not see, although, say, germany gives us enormous help, for which we thank, but... on certain topics and points, well, even though, as they say, beat your head against the wall, that taurus itself, taurus missiles, which, which we absolutely need, for some reason became a point, well because of which chancellor scholz can't get over it, although it's obvious to everyone that it will happen anyway, the question is just to make it

faster, well, you see, unfortunately, it remains a topic... which is still irresistible for scholz , so we have to work with our western partners, uh, to make them realize sooner that this country that is destabilizing the world can't be played with anymore. but against this background, putin, perhaps for the first time in the last year and a half, is trying to appear in the role of a peacemaker, in quotes a peacemaker, therefore. what he says and comments on the events in the middle east and says that it is necessary to stop this bloodshed, and let's listen to how he does it . to the ground i would like to emphasize that russia is ready to coordinate with all

constructively oriented partners. we proceed from the lack of alternatives. the resolution of the palestinian-israeli conflict through negotiations, the goal of which should be realization the un formula of two states, which assumes the creation of an independent palestinian state with its capital in east jerusalem. that is, well, putin, i already talked about it, he is like a typical gopnik of the 90s, first he creates conflicts, and then he arrives in some mercedes and says, there, well, let's go now. let's check all these questions of yours, you have some problems there, that is, he creates problems, then solves them, uh, what does putin want, but in this situation, uh, well, you know, you are right, mr. sergey, that and we have talked about this with you more than once, it is usual

moscow's tactic of creating a problem, then acting as a peacemaker, is nothing new, it is an ancient, ancient way of interfering in the affairs of states and then keeping them on a short chain, as they say, the same applies to the arab-israeli conflict, since the 70s years, i still remember myself, well, as a relatively young man, when this bloody confrontation broke out in 1970, 1973 , which then continued with varying intensity and who was behind it, the soviet union was behind it then . he helped and the arabs, and flirted with israel, he helped israel and flirted with the arabs. that is, this is the tactic that continues today.

therefore, to believe these conversations about what this, er, fascist leader is suggesting to someone, is to play a game with the devil, er, i think that the best way to solve many conflicts around the world, including the middle east , this is the elimination of russia as a factor that affects the determination of certain processes, this will be the prologue to those changes of a global nature, which you just talked about, referring to of president zelenskyi, this is exactly the case when eliminating... the main source of this axis of evil, problems of a global nature and including a regional one, such as the middle east conflict, are eliminated. because then the one force that keeps this whole region in constant tension disappears, well, who helped bashar?

well, putin helped, because he understands that here too it was possible to play, in such a way as to destabilize the entire region, and he , by the way, achieved this, again, why, because president obama could not understand that russia - it is an evil that must be dealt with to fight, well, it is possible now... the collective action will finally understand this and begin to do so that this evil will finally be destroyed. mr. volodymyr, israel's army radio has already reported that israeli infantry and tanks entered the territory of the gaza strip to clear the militants and search for people captured during the invasion of armed groups in the south of israel on october 7. before that, hezbollah, the lebanese... because the militant movement, announced that they would join this war if suddenly israel crossed the border

and will enter the gaza sector, do you think israel will be able to prove what he declared, because israel usually does what it considers necessary, when it is convinced that it is necessary, and what consequences it will have for neighboring countries, so that we have seen that there have already been shellings from syria, iran is heating up the atmosphere there as well, they say, well done , hamas, which struck israel, and in the north hezbollah is also in principle ready to go to war with israel there, what will happen when israel will enter a completely ground operation in the sector, well you see, israel now has no choice but to do what was done.

announced, because the level of this violence, the level of atrocities, it does not leave israel any other, other way, that is, if it pretends that nothing happened, it will happen very often, so israel must destroy hamas, eh, of course, will provoke hezbollah and not only to the relevant ones. actions, but, well, the choice that the leadership of israel made, it is now, in my opinion, absolutely correct, because until, as long as the terrorists will walk, and to pretend that nothing has happened, the threat that they will kill further, will remain, or will be, easy. walking, certainly not, although the israeli army now, fully deployed, as they say, will certainly

dominate, but there is a threat of sabotage , guerrilla work and so on, from terrorists, so it will not be an easy task, together with therefore, i think it is quite likely that the american fleet in the mediterranean sea will help at least in blocking access to the gas sector, well, no exclude that, after all, some european countries may participate to one degree or another in helping israel in this operation, so the threat of escalation is definitely there, iran will try to incite all its proxies in the middle east to become more active, but still, the balance of power, it seems to me, is on the side of israel

and those who will really help it, and the americans are already helping, the british are helping, so i think there is nothing really to talk about here, the question is just the same again, the question in the price that will be paid for this, the united states of america quite powerfully at once supports the state of israel, one aircraft carrier group , gerald ford, has already approached the shores of israel, another is also approaching israel, yesterday and today the secretary of state of the united states visited israel of the united states of america, anthony blinken and the minister of defense, lloyd austin, not for the first time, the americans so strongly support israel and promise support'. full support for israel to retaliate against all those who encroach on its independence, who encroach on its territory,

these two prominent groups that have now approached israel, in your opinion, is a warning to iran and syria, or to a wider range of countries that could join the arab-israeli war, the wider arab-israeli war. well, i will start by saying that the americans have always helped israel, and quite literally , in recent years, when we received from the americans 300 million dollars in military aid every year, then israel received 3 billion a year of this help, that is, the order of the numbers speaks for itself, so even now, it is clear that the americans cannot allow terrorism in the middle east to gain further momentum, and that is why they are certainly so active in helping, and you

are absolutely right, that both the secretary of defense and the secretary of state of the united states have visited the region means , that this support will be, but not only, political , but also very practical, from a military point of view, so the fact that now , the us navy is approaching the shores of israel, only says that it will be, very practical help if necessary. of course, the americans do not want direct participation in these events, do not want to once again get into a situation when their armed forces, well, they can, so to speak, get stuck in one or another conflict, but having such a powerful fleet, well, actually,

put... on everyone's shoulders those who suddenly want to help hamas, i think, will not be a big problem for the americans. the only point that arises in this, for me at least, is that, in the west, and you showed before the inclusion, some of the demonstrations that are taking place in europe, whole enclaves, diasporas with arab countries are anti-democratic against the very society in which they live and fanatically support those who practically engage in terrorism

. very relevant, but this is, as they say, a slightly different story. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for your inclusion, this was volodymyr ogryzko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube. please like this video, and also take part in our vote, today we ask you. about how much time do you think will pass until the end of the war in ukraine, a month, a few months, a year, a few years, please vote, we are interested to know your opinion, and if you have your own opinion on this, please write in the comments under this video, we are always with we look forward to reading your comments. further, we are in touch with roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, i am glad

to see you on our air. good evening to each other, mr. sergey. mr. roman, let's start the situation in the eastern direction, because the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports that the russian occupiers are trying to break through the defenses of the ukrainian military in the avdiivka district, the military says that during the day , 20 enemy attacks were repelled in the direction of avdiivka in the district settlements of avdiivka, lastochkine, tonenka, pervomaiske, nivelelske, donetsk region. what is happening there now, i understand that the russians have decided to take avdiivka, avdiivka is the gate to donetsk , well, yes, the situation there is threatening, because i think the enemy, well, we saw in general strategy that the enemy tried to look for weak points and actions on...